refused to call kamala harris by her correct name. then afterwards, she went on twitter and called me a boy. and so now, this week, she's suddenly upset that jasmine crockett used the word child, which was not even a direct reference to her in the conversation that they had in the house oversight committee. so i have two words for nancy mace, and it's not directed at you, nancy child, please. >> all right. d.w., homan 106 years ago, prohibition became the law of the land. >> and today, abstinence is. abstinence from alcohol is growing in popularity, which is welcome news to a lot of people who struggle with alcohol. and i support that even as someone who drinks willingly and excitedly. but what i worry about is i was a couple of weeks ago at fordham, my alma mater, and i went to a local bar that was empty on a game day. i talked to the bartender and he says, all these bars are going to close down because no one's coming.

live starts right now. >> tonight, president biden gives his final interview before leaving the white house, and he warns about the bullies he says he thinks are threatening democracy. plus, former tv host wendy williams breaks down emotionally in a rare interview and says that her court ordered conservatorship makes her feel like she's in prison. her brother is my guest tonight and a tick tock sound. new reporting that says president biden will not enforce the ban against the app. the very same ban. remember he signed into law. tonight on laura coates live. so president joe biden sat down tonight for the final interview of his presidency, and he hammered home the fear that he

has repeatedly raised during his time in the white house, his fear about the future of democracy. >> i really am concerned about how fragile democracy is. that sounds corny, but i mean, i really i really am concerned because you've heard me say it a hundred times. i really think we're at an inflection point in history here. there's so many bullies around, and i now extrapolate that all the way to democracy. the reason for all the safeguards out there is, in a very trite way, to say, keep the bullies from taking advantage of everybody else. their basic guardrails. >> well, he didn't explicitly name who he thinks those bullies are, but he underscored his concerns about, again, that concentration of wealth and power, things he spoke about yesterday and about the potential to warp the truth.

>> i just think things are at a point where it's awful hard to. i've had four of your colleagues in the last four years tell me they're worried they're going to be in real serious players like you, not you. but your caliber. worried about whether or not they're going to be held accountable for telling the truth. when has that ever happen in america? >> now, even though biden didn't name names, one does come to mind. the man about to reenter the white house in just four days, donald trump and trump will be sitting in the oval office with the most positive ratings he's had. frankly, in years. take a look. a new cnn poll shows 46% of americans view him favorably. now, that was 39% this time last year, and 33% at the end of his first term. in fact, these are the best numbers he has had since just after he won in 2016. now, more than half of americans say the country will

be better off four years from now. at the end of his second term. and so trump's newfound popularity raises a big conundrum for democrats. do they resist his every move like they felt they had to in his first term, or do they play ball on issues they say americans care most about? well, some democratic governors are already signaling it might be time to change tact. >> i don't want to pretend we're always going to agree, but i will always seek collaboration first. >> i'm not the leader of the resistance. i have been been very clear that that i will i will work with anybody who wants to be a good partner in the work to make sure that maryland is supported. >> i'm going to be wishing him success because his success is going to be our collective success. i'm going to find opportunities to work with him. >> what's that saying about tact? it's the art of expressing your opinion and not gaining an enemy. mm. well, now the scene in congress might be a little bit different.

democrats have grilled many of trump's cabinet choices, including defense secretary pete hegseth, the pick for defense secretary, and pam bondi, of course, for attorney general. and look, they have every reason to do so. those posts are incredibly important, dare i say, as the lawyer in me, the ag, perhaps the most important, but at this point it seems like their confirmation is inevitable. despite the attempts at grilling them and some of the most controversial picks, they are still waiting for their day in the court of confirmation hearings, aren't they? people like kash patel for fbi director or rfk jr. for health and human services secretary? and let's not forget tulsi gabbard for director of national intelligence. you can certainly expect fireworks there as well. but, you know, no matter the outcome, a resurgent trump and republicans seem to be in lockstep. that would force democrats to address some very uncomfortable questions indeed. i want to bring in cnn political commentator and former national coalitions director for the biden-harris

2020 campaign, ashley allison, and republican strategist matt gorman. good to have you both here. all right, ashley, you and i have talked about this over time. biden is still driving home the point about the fear of the future of democracy. there's the thought that people who were voting, they wanted to talk about kitchen table issues. is there a disconnect with him talking about this now? >> no, i think it always should be a both. and i never thought democracy was going to be the only issue that people went to the ballot box. and many americans did show up and vote for kamala harris because of that fear. i also think it's important that democracy doesn't die with one solid blow. it's death by a thousand cuts. so we have to be persistent and continue to push back. and i mean, we hear democrats saying that they'll work with donald trump if it's good for the country. and i think that is important, just as important for republicans, if there is an overreach like a january 6th or before january 6th, where someone tries to

skew election results. republicans did stand in the breach and say, no, we aren't going to do that. whether it was the georgia secretary of state or mike pence. so we all have a responsibility to govern for to protect our democracy. and people want something different. people want change. people want their the price of groceries to go down. and now that's on donald trump and republicans responsibility to do that. we'll see if they can get it done. >> you talk about overreach. there's a different word, oligarchy, that biden spoke about yesterday. he reiterated today the idea of the sphere of concentration of wealth. and if something different means going to people who are successful, say, in the corporate space, there are a number of people who are already in trump's corner. do you have concerns about the billionaires who seem to really have his ear? >> no, not at all, because two of those charter members of the oligarchy just got the presidential medal of freedom from joe biden the other week, david rubinstein and george soros. soros. so this suddenly newfound concern about oligarchy is pretty rich to me, number one. and number two, you know, somebody again, in that

same speech, he talks about people paying their fair share. this is a guy whose son was indicted for tax evasion. so a lot of it just rings hollow to me. it's a lot of i thought it was a very small speech talking about fact checkers on social media oligarchy. i really didn't take much of what he said with much seriousness. >> yet the idea of fact and truth and the conveying of information very important, right, in a democracy. but at this point, if you take away the comparison factors for a second, i know it's difficult to do in a place like washington, d.c., just the idea that there would be someone other than elected official who would have the ability to influence an elected official like the president. does that give you pause about the type of power they could conceivably have? >> are you referring to all the joe biden's aides that propped him up over the last four years? i know i'm being i'm being facetious. >> i know, i know, but i do want to clarify the point, because i know it's the comparison point, but at its core, yeah, there is obviously a concern about how much influence. but are you concerned about whether it's detrimental? >> again, my point is i find it rich that suddenly democrats,

after four years of biden, as we've read in the wall street journal and a bunch of other things, was essentially propped up by certain aides, a few of them that were closely guarded. the president and talks about the future of democracy. as an 82 year old running for reelection put his party in the predicament they were in. in july of 2020 for suddenly being so perturbed by the idea that unelected advisers have such an influence over the president. what were they doing for the last four years? >> well, i think my concern is, look, if you're an american billionaire or someone that works an hourly wage job and has to do a couple jobs at that to just get by, it's not that one is more important than the other. i think it's about access. it's about is the person who is in a lower economic status. do they have less influence over the person who was elected? my argument is that in a democracy, we should all have equal influence. right now we will see, but it does not appear to be the case when you have so many billionaires. yes, democrats have

billionaires that support them also. that's fine people, if you're if you're a part of this democracy, you're allowed to support people. you're allowed to vote. but it is. do those people get preferential treatment because of the money? that's what the oligarchs i mean, you know, money makes the world go round. >> i wonder if it will make politics as well. we'll see. that's part of the issue here. but certainly there is someone who's trying to get the ear of the president. his name is mayor eric adams. he'll be going down to to mar-a-lago. he's actually he's according to the new york times, maggie haberman, he's on his way to mar-a-lago, which seems to be the new epicenter of politics in this country. i better weather worse places. yeah, the mayor's team, though, insists that they are just trying to talk about ways to move the city forward. you can't help but remember that he does have some looming criminal issues. what's behind it? >> i cynically probably wants a pardon, though. is somebody i mean, we all spend enough time in new york. i would love new york to become a better, safer, more vibrant city than it currently is right now. if trump can help with that, as we talked about, if democrats can reach out and work together with us, i'm all for that. but

i don't think there might be i think there might be an ulterior motive in that. and god bless him. >> i think, um, surprisingly, eric adams, eric going to meet with donald trump is not the most problematic thing that's going on with eric adams term right now. he's not particularly popular in new york with democrats or republicans. i think the trip is a bit self-serving. >> taking turkish airlines flights to get down to some shade is happening on this desk. >> that's fine. but let me ask you about that in particular. there is an obvious sympathy that trump is likely to extend to those who he believes are being targeted by new york prosecutors. right. there's a there's a connective tissue there. the question will be, especially given the way in which mayor adams has resisted being in lockstep with members of the democratic party, particularly on issues of immigration and beyond, whether this will translate to other areas. you've already seen senator john fetterman talking about cooperation. are we seeing a different trend in washington, d.c., perhaps, where, unlike the first

administration, there might be a more of an incentive for democrats to get along with trump? >> here's what i will say is that democrats would be making a mistake if they thought, if they played this the same way they played 2017. >> you're right. >> we're not the same country. we should be a smarter party. we need to learn and grow. so just because something doesn't look exactly the same doesn't mean that democrats are taking the knee to donald trump. i think people are still evaluating what actually happened in this election and thinking of a path forward. and i think elected officials have a responsibility to govern for their constituents. and when donald trump does something that is favorable for the american people, then fine, support him. i'm just waiting and wonder what that will be. >> i think i think in 2016 and 2017, many people in some some in my party, in the establishment, obviously democrats thought that trump winning was an aberration, maybe caught folks sleeping. right. so it's easier to fight back against that in theory. in many ways, this was a reaffirmation, right? after all he had been through to win the

popular vote to it's hard to come out, you know, metaphorical guns blazing. every single thing they do, it just doesn't ring the same. i agree with you on that. >> it's not strategic. no it's not. >> well, we'll see how they play it all. and what, four days ashley allison matt gorman, thank you both so much. hey. new tonight. that cease fire deal to free the hostages in gaza is now one step closer to reality. the israeli prime minister's office has just confirmed that the cease fire agreement with hamas has been agreed to. and up until now, netanyahu had not wanted to comment on it until all the details were finalized. now, the next step is for the israeli security cabinet to meet before the full government signs off on it, israeli official told cnn. the full vote is not expected until now. saturday night, still ahead, the tiktok whiplash after passing a law to ban it, members of congress now suddenly rushing to try and save it. and now even president biden appears to be giving up on the law he signed. or is he? so? did the politicians get

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donald trump also doesn't seem to want to ban tiktok after he panned the platform as well. now, if you're scratching your head wondering what is going on, well, you're not alone. this was when lawmakers were trying to pass the ban. remember this? >> the sooner we ban this, the better. >> if you don't think the chinese communist party can twist that algorithm to make it the news that they see reflective of their views, then i don't think you appreciate the nature of the threat. >> your platform should be banned. >> i'll support common sense, bipartisan steps to take. one of beijing's favorite tools of coercion and espionage off the table. >> that was then. this is now. >> i will work with the trump administration and with both parties to keep tiktok alive. >> a tiktok ban would impose serious consequences on millions of americans. >> this is a platform where many americans are consuming their news to take that away

from them when it's not necessary, when we can find a solution to this. it's just unacceptable. >> tiktok's creativity is great. i think influencers, they ought to be able to continue. >> well, i still don't want chinese ownership of tiktok, whether they think that there should still be content creators in the platform to have it. it's about the ownership, but they want to give the company more time to find a different owner and an american buyer. here with me now, andrew yang. he is the founder of the forward party and ran for president as a democrat in the 2020 election. andrew, good to see you. i have to ask about the sort of whiplash that's happening right now after this broad bipartisan support of the ban. why do you think both sides of the aisle are now thinking of ways to try to extend the time to get that american buyer? >> well, you have a site that is the number one source of news for a lot of americans who

are a bit younger and is the home for millions of creators, tens of thousands of whom are actually making a living. and so if you are a member of congress and you are presiding over the extinction of all of these creators and their jobs, i mean, obviously, you know, the creators will will, will still be with us, but their profiles will be gone. their source of revenue will be gone. you know, it's a political loser. and so everyone's now looking for a solution which would involve bytedance us being sold to an american buyer. >> so what do you think? in the balancing act of national security interests versus first amendment rights, do you think that the politicians thought that the american voters, the american public and the consumers valued the national security more than the other? did they just get this wrong in terms of what they thought the

american people wanted? >> what they got wrong was how quickly a buyer could be found and the willingness of bytedance to relinquish control. i mean, it's a bit of a game of chicken, laura, that the chinese parents like, hey, you know, like you want to ban us. let's see how your people feel about that. and there has been a pr campaign talking about all the americans who are making a living on tiktok. and so to me, it is a timing issue. this is a site that's worth billions of dollars. it's going to be a massive boon to whichever company or individual in this day and age ends up buying it. and that's going to be something of immense value to the trump administration, because it's it's a huge favor that they can do, essentially. and whereas if the site stops existing, then they can't, um, they can't extract value from this multibillion dollar company being sold to an

american company. >> and of course, they don't believe it's for sale. and we know that the head of tiktok is going to be at the inauguration. it might signal a whole lot, but the national security concerns with tiktok's chinese ownership, it has to do with the suspicion that china could mine american user data. is that as much of a threat as it's been made out to be? do you think? >> well, it certainly could be taken that way, laura, because we don't know what the chinese government is doing with the data. and this is, again, the number one news source for a lot of minors. so the prospect of a foreign government having all this information on kids and teenagers and being able to subvert or alter the news that they get or their point of view, it's it's why leaders in both parties decided on the ban in the first place. >> we'll see how this all

plays out. the 19th literally around the corner, days away and an inauguration. and whether the new administration will indeed be able to get a new buyer or certainly change the criteria for what it means to have ownership. all ahead. andrew yang, thank you so much. >> thanks, laura. great being with you as always. >> thank you. up next, wendy williams emerges and breaks her silence, claiming that she is trapped in a guardianship and that she is not cognitively impaired. as has been said. so what exactly is going on with wendy williams and her brother is live with us next for an exclusive interview. >> t-mobile's 5g network connects 100,000 delta employees so they can make every customer feel like they've arrived before they've left the ground. this is how business goes further with t-mobile. for business. >> sounds like you need to vaporize that cold nyquil

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reclaim her mic. she's publicly blasting the legal guardianship that she's been under since her hit daytime talk show ended. she told jason lee from hollywood unlocked i feel like i'm emotionally abused and where i am, where i am, i stay on. >> like i said, i'm on the fifth floor. anything i want to do, i cannot do. i am made to be held like prison. you know what i'm saying? i feel isolated, like a mug. >> now, her show ended in 2022 after health issues, and she was appointed a guardian after a financial advisor for williams said in a court filing she was, quote, of unsound mind, unquote. now, last year, a care team for williams said that she was diagnosed with dementia and aphasia just a few months ago, that legal guardian said that williams had become, quote, permanently disabled and legally incapacitated. we have reached out to the guardian but have not heard back, though we should note, it's possible that a

court order is preventing the guardian from speaking publicly. joining me now for an exclusive interview. tommy williams, the brother of wendy williams. tommy, thank you so much for being here. i have to tell you, i have been such a fan of wendy all of these years, and to hear her statements today, to hear her so vulnerable and raw. it was very, very emotional for us all. can you tell me what your reaction has been to what you've heard today? >> dumbfounded. i couldn't believe it. i spoke with wendy last night. um, we spoke just for a few minutes. i was going to patch my dad in on three way, and i had no luck doing that. and so we stayed on the phone. we just talked for a little bit, and then wendy told me that she had some calls to make. um, which spiked my interest, but not that much because i know she makes her calls. and, um, you know, it's that's how she stays occupied there. so i didn't overthink

anything. this morning. i got a call, um, from a buddy of mine, and he said, um, you'll be on the breakfast club this morning. it looks like wendy will be on the breakfast club this morning. and, uh, i was concerned. >> and when you say you were dumbfounded, did you not? you were dumbfounded that she has made these statements or that you didn't know this is how she was feeling? >> i knew that this is how she was feeling. i was unaware that she was going to come out and make the statements, and i was unaware of the platform in which she was going to use. in terms of the breakfast club. um, you know, i. i'm an avid watcher, wendy. i've watched her shows loads of times, and i know her personality and i know she's a mainstream, you know, she's, uh, everybody's girl. and, um, you know, to, you know, the breakfast club went

on, went in on me last week. they kind of they brought up my t-shirts that i had designed and or my wife designed, and i tried to get out as i had an interview last sunday, and i wanted to have something tangible that i can go ahead and put out there for the people because they seem so interested and so concerned and so supportive of my sister. and i didn't feel comfortable getting anything because, you know, it's a slippery slope. i don't really know the legalities of it all. and i didn't want to put myself too far ahead without conferencing with family or, you know, just, you know, it just didn't feel right. it didn't feel right. i had the t shirts for like a year over a year. >> what did they say? just for the audience. what did they say? free wendy, free wendy, hashtag free wendy. >> uh, simple shirts have a crown on them. they're made on streamyard, which is a platform that i use. and streamyard, you know, it's not like, you know, it's not like hanes are her way, you know, it's just a shirt that you can kind of go in and cut, paste, move things around. and my wife did it and she came up with something.

voila. >> but, tommy, hold on on that point i want to cut you off. but just when i hear free wendy, it it obviously reminds me of free brittany, which was a obviously a campaign because people believed that she was unfairly in a conservatorship and guardianship and that she was, for lack of a better phrase, being treated similarly to what wendy has said. she has felt she has been treated. do you think that she is not being treated appropriately, or that her diagnosis is inaccurate because she has said that she is not cognitively impaired? >> well, i'm not a doctor, but i do know my sister and you know, britney spears. i mean, that's i'm in an individualistic type person. i look at case by case. that's what. brittany, this is wendy. you know, it's similar. i hadn't followed brittany, so i can't speak on it. but i can say that, you know, wendy is solid in her in her thoughts, in her delivery. um, i think the only thing that she takes

pause on is that, you know, with all this legal stuff going on, you know, she has to make sure that she is uh, doing things appropriately and not and not speaking over outside of her realm. so i think that, you know, she's always been on point, and i think that's a, that's a, that's a if anything, that is something to key in on the fact that she is still and that she still knows when to stop and when to start. i mean, people want everything, but wendy, just like when she did her show, she didn't deliver everything doses. and at this point, doses are most important because you're dealing with the judicial system. so i feel as though, yeah, well hold on. >> do you think that she is when you say doses, do you think that this is part of a strategy for her to have the courts reassess her guardianship? and if so, are you hoping that they will have a new situation for her, or perhaps have her of her

own agency again? >> yeah, i think that, you know, by all means, i think this is definitely, you know, wendy's, wendy's, uh, you know, thoughts behind this is definitely to to make people aware and bring and and have the spotlight, you know, come her way and and show light on some of the injustices that are going on that she feels along this journey of guardianship. >> is the family doing anything? i mean, how often are you in contact with her, or are you helping her to facilitate what appears to be her desire to leave this guardianship or leave the facility that she's in well, you know, i stay in touch with wendy, and i do the best i can in terms of, you know, um, well, i can't say i do the best i can, i do i on myself. >> and so there is the best that i can. and so what i do is i speak with wendy on a regular basis at one time, you know, things weren't happening on a regular basis. um, you know, the calls would all have to be patched in. i was kind of at the latter end of the

patching in, you know, you know, because i'm outspoken and because i definitely speak up and i don't censor myself. i try not to, um, you know, i, i'm not the i'm not the, the most, uh, the most popular at times. and so, you know, i was the last one brought into the fold on the family talks with wendy. but when i was brought in. i quickly, uh, you know, rekindled with wendy, moved forward and, you know, got a chance to, uh, be besties all over again. so we get our call. i talked to wendy. geez. maybe two times a day, you know, she'll call or i'll see a missed call. or, you know, she generally catches me in the evening. it's a matter of when i'm. when i'm free and when she wants to give a call. i'm always looking. and when i there's very few times that it goes beyond two rings because i'm so looking so much. looking forward to talking to wendy because, you know, now having that, you know, i have a sister, wanda, and i have a

sister, wendy, and i'm the youngest brother. i'm the youngest, the only brother tommy. and you know, so for me, you know, it's nice to just be in communication. now, she's not down here. and, you know, quite frankly, even during the course of her, you know, her, her television show and things like that, we didn't speak on a regular basis like we are now, you know, and this would speak to when you speak to her now, though, just to be clear, when you speak to her now, you do not believe that wendy should be in a guardianship. no, not at all. >> do you think is there a space that wendy should be in? should she be returned to her full autonomy? >> yes. >> and does your family, your sister and your father? i know you speak for yourself. do they agree with you? >> absolutely. >> so the only hold up is what the courts will do. >> the only hold up is the courts. >> yes, tommy, it's pretty unbelievable to think about what we've heard today. >> not from you, but from what we've heard. to think of someone like wendy, who we all feel like we know so well to go

through what she's going through and so many unanswered questions. thank you so much. i know we'll continue our conversation. thank you. >> you know. yeah, sure. um, you know, i also wanted to, um, wanted to share, i mean, because, you know, this is also very important. i think you know how wendy, you know, moves about and, um. you know, and and it's this is a system, a system that's in place. and compliance is the word that comes to mind. it comes to mind all of the time. now, everybody doesn't do the right thing all the time. but there are certain points. if you want something, you need to do the right thing. so what is the right thing look like in this situation? i certainly feel as though and i know this is one of the questions you posed, but this is something that i have on my chest and i want to share it if i can um. you know, i believe that, you know. coming down and spending the time is

important, but it's the matter of what kind of time and quality time. of course, i was very much anticipating wendy's arrival. when she came down. i was looking forward to traditional family time with wendy, the kind that we've been missing all this while. um, and so when we when we got together and it was, you know, and it was, you know, going out and i understand everything was it was a big celebration time. my nephew graduating us being able to see wendy after all this time. definitely reason to celebrate. i just wish we had done it a little bit differently, you know, because, you know, there's there's some differences in, in what and who was appointed to come down. and the differences were and i laid them out on my live on the tommy williams show on youtube. and i specifically had mentioned, you know, a couple of things that i felt as though were deterrents from, you know, the path that i thought that wendy probably should have followed. >> and probably i'm going to have to listen to that to make sure we fully understand all the scope of it, because it's important to hear your perspective as her brother. tommy, thank you so much for joining us. i do appreciate it.

i want to read a statement from an attorney representing wendy in a lawsuit separate from the guardianship issue, saying in a statement about her interviews today, wendy's condition will only get worse with time, and she will require care for the rest of her life. but as anyone who has had a family member with dementia knows, wendy has both good days and bad days. i want to bring in now jason lee, ceo of hollywood unlocked and vice mayor of stockton, california. he actually interviewed wendy williams in the clip you heard just moments ago in an interview, which comes out tomorrow on youtube. jason, before we get to your interview, i just want to get your reaction to what you just heard from wendy's brother, tommy. he doesn't believe that she should have a guardianship and doesn't think his family thinks she should either. what's your reaction? >> yeah, i mean, i don't talk to tommy. tommy and wendy have had a checkered past for a long time. it's well documented, but i do talk to her son, kevin junior. i do talk to alex, her niece. in fact, i interviewed wendy this morning with alex on the phone. alex is a journalist out of miami. very sharp, very

smart, and very close to wendy. wendy, i've known wendy, laura for now, probably 7 or 8 years. she's never sounded better, never sounded more clear minded, never has been as intentional as she was today about being very clear that she needs the community, the audience, her fans, people like us in journalism to get behind this free wendy movement. she's talked about feeling in prison. she didn't even know until the other day that they gave her cat's away. and all of us who've ever been to wendy's home and have been in wendy's life knows that she loves three things her show, her son and her cats. and so the fact that this woman and i need to say her name, sabrina morrissey, who charlamagne and i have had conversations throughout the day. sabrina morrissey is a person who's not only in control of wendy and where her body is able to move, but how her finances. in the interview, she talks about flying down to see her son during his graduation, who she's been kept away from, who has not been able to call his mom when he wants to, whose apartment was

being he was being evicted from because the the sabrina morrissey. woman and the people who are in control of wendy cut off resources to her son, who she loves when he when she went down to visit her son, the caretakers who were supposed to be watching her just left her outside without her car there to pick her up. so they're not really caring for her in a way that would make sense for somebody who's their guardian now. >> jason, of course, i've heard her name several times today in the interviews you've spoken about. i know you've spoken about her. we've reached out to sabrina morrissey. we have not heard back. we are saying is that she is a court appointed guardian. we're still waiting for more information or a response we have not yet received to confirm what you've said, but i do want to hear about the conversation you had today with wendy williams, who's about 25 minutes. i understand she was obviously upset with what was going on. can you tell me what was your impression of why she wanted to talk about this? now? has did something happen in the recent past that made her want to

express this today? and multiple outlets? >> yeah. i mean, wendy has been in fear of retaliation from sabrina morrissey and the conservators because she's been threatened that if she has contact with people, they will cut her off completely. there have been people like lauren larosa that has gone to visit wendy at her request, to only arrive and be told a lie by the people that she's not in the facility that she got to. in this interview, i said, are you afraid that something's going to happen? because now that you're speaking out and you're letting the world know that you're being, in your words, held prisoner, is something going to happen? she said. they're probably going to move me to a worse facility, and they're probably going to take my phone from me. >> did wendy express or have you talked to her at all about what has been her stated diagnosis? did she take issue with the diagnosis or the conditions of her guardianship? >> wendy was unaware that they had painted a picture to the world that she had dementia. laura, let me tell you, somebody who was. when i tell you i was

somebody who was on her show regularly talking on the phone regularly. i mean, i was in her life on a regular basis, right? when i had heard that she had dementia and that she was in this facility and couldn't be reached or couldn't contact anybody, i, as a friend, thought like, i don't want to hear that wendy williams died in a facility with dementia. forgot me, just forgot her family. you know, that's really the picture that had been painted to all of us. her family afraid to talk to me because they had been threatened that if they did talk to me that they would no longer allow to be allowed to have contact with wendy. and so i think for her, she's just now finding out that her cats have been given away, that the people that they send to fly around to monitor her are being paid by wendy's money. and that she said on the breakfast club that she only has $15 in her purse. you know, and this is somebody who was making millions and millions of dollars every year, every year, entertaining the world. >> you know, jason, it's so hard to hear about a woman so

strong, be so vulnerable in the way that she has described. and again, her this attorney who had worked with her on a separate issue talks about good and bad days. we've certainly heard from her today. we look forward to hearing more and your interview tomorrow as well. jason lee, thank you so much, laura. >> just if i can end with this. thank you for sharing this platform and this message, because she wanted it to be very clear that free wendy is not a moment. it's a movement. they did it for brittany. we didn't know what she was going through and i love the comparison earlier, but it's interesting to watch that with wendy. we saw them first take control of her money at wells fargo, then we saw them take her show. then we saw them put her away and taken from her family. so thank you for sharing this. >> there's more to this story. thank you. jason. up next, he transcended sports and entertainment with that signature voice and wit. tonight we remember mr. baseball bob uecker, with some help from his very close

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before that, uecker played for the brewers as a backup catcher for six seasons. but it would be his announcing that won over fans in milwaukee and far beyond. he became mr. baseball, as johnny carson called him, and his voice took him beyond the broadcast booth, landing roles in tv shows and commercials and movies like major league born into the wind up in his first offering. >> just a bit outside, he tried the corner and missed. >> but uecker, he never let hollywood change him, and he kept calling brewers games until last year, even while privately battling lung cancer. with me now, another baseball announcing legend who worked with uecker several times, his friend bob costas. bob, thank you so much for joining us. a great one gone. he was really a legend. >> yeah, he was. that shot you just showed was from last september. >> i had worked for several

years with bob at nbc in the 1990s, all star games and world series and whatnot, and we became close friends, and i wanted to visit him in the booth one last time, because i had a feeling this would be his last season, given his health. and that was the last weekend of the regular season. and whenever we were in the same town, i'd drop by and we'd just do our little thing on on the air. we had no particular plan. we just visited for 4 or 5 innings, and some of it was reminiscences and some of it was wisecracks, most of it coming from youk. there he is at age 90. he had almost two separate careers as a radio announcer with the brewers. he was just fabulous, exciting, goosebump raising calls of big moments. and in baseball, especially because it's a day in, day out game, the local announcer is so important, and he was born and raised in wisconsin. he started his career in milwaukee with the then milwaukee braves, so

he was one of theirs for more than half a century. so there was that connection. but america knew him from his more than 100 appearances on the tonight show with johnny carson. it was carson who dubbed him as mr. baseball, which was sort of tongue in cheek because youk's lifetime batting average was 200, you know, and he made his whole persona out of that futility. and then there was the major league movie where he ad libbed half of his lines as the announcer, harry doyle. and those lines were funnier than the lines that were in the script, and they were the lite beer from miller commercials and the national games he did with al michaels on and howard cosell in the 70s on abc, and with me and joe morgan in the 90s on nbc. but a lot of fans outside milwaukee might have kind of lost track of him in recent years, because it had just been the games that he did on the radio, but that was really where his heart was, even though he was a national

figure, his heart was with baseball and with his hometown of milwaukee. and that authenticity really endeared him to the local fans. >> that's so beautiful. i remember going to baseball games with my dad and people still listen with the radio headsets. they like to hear the announcers. they're watching the live game like people like you were talking about it. what was your favorite moment? if you can remember, of all the ones you've had, your favorite moment or one of them? >> well, well, one that i was involved in game six of the 1995 world series on nbc. cleveland at atlanta. and to my right is joe morgan, a first ballot hall of famer, two time mvp, member of one of the great teams in baseball history, cincinnati's big red machine. and to my left is bob uecker. and morgan starts talking about his own world series experiences, which not only involve him but pete rose and johnny bench and tony perez and sparky anderson, all of them hall of famers except for rose, who would be if not for extenuating circumstances, all bold faced names. and when he's done, i turn to uecker.

have to amuse myself and have to know that that youk is going to say something funny. and i said, youk, did you ever play in the world series? and he said, well, i was with the cardinals in 64 when they played the yankees in the series, but i was on the disabled list. i said, what was wrong with you? he said, i had hepatitis. i said, how did you get that? he said, the trainer injected me with it, which in his mind accounted for why the cardinals without him, were able to prevail in that world series. >> humble and funny and actually announcing until just a few months ago, he called the last game of the season for the brewers after the team lost in the playoffs. it was you who consoled the players. how much did bob mean to the players themselves, knowing that mr. baseball was always there? >> he was so beloved by the players. he had his own locker in the clubhouse. when they would go to the playoffs, they would vote him a share, which he would then give to charity.

but that was unheard of. they voted him a player's share and well into his 70s, he would pitch batting practice. there he is in the shot you have right there. he'd get into a uniform and pitch batting practice. he was one of them. and he was actually even though they had hall of fame players during their history, he was more famous than any of them. robin yount and paul molitor, players who went to the hall of fame would tell you that when the bus pulled up at the hotel on the road, there'd be more fans there looking for uecker than looking for the rest of the players. >> well, we'll continue to look for him now in a different way. bob costas, thank you so much, and thank you for sharing that legacy. a really important one. >> he is immortal. thank you laura. >> thank you all for watching. anderson cooper 360 is next. >> you who know know, know that is against the hoa bylaws.

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