going to be downloading him dancing to ymca because they just can't help it. >> and the village people will be performing at some point. >> that's right. >> festivities as well. so i hear, chuck, my plea is for all of you out there to take care of our wild spaces. >> i was honored with my beautiful wife, ebony, to be able to go to ecuador and the galapagos over the break, and it's really refreshing to see wild places. and i got to thinking about what we do as humans, and we're really good at messing up lots of beautiful things. think about what you love in your life and what is wild. what's wonderful? the galapagos is still wild and wonderful and i was honored i got to go there. let's take care of our wild spaces. >> all right, everybody go outside. thank you very much. thank you for watching newsnight. we'll see you tomorrow. tomorrow morning, 10 a.m. eastern time, with a conversation show right here at the table for five. don't miss it. thanks for watching. have a great weekend. laura coates live starts right

dark this sunday unless president biden intervenes immediately. the shark trying to buy the company. kevin o'leary will be my guest tonight. plus, deportations as early as tuesday morning. the new report on how and where they'll be carried out and the private conversations to get joe biden to drop out, now revealed in a stunning new book. the authors will be here tonight on laura coates live. t -25 hours until the social media app used by 170 million americans alone is set to go away. and tonight, tiktok is threatening to go completely dark. that is, unless the biden administration gives it total assurance. it won't affect on

sunday. now, the biden white house has signaled that it will not impose the ban. but tiktok, they want something more definitive. it's a final hail mary for the chinese company after the supreme court hit it with a potential death blow. all nine justices, let me repeat that. all nine justices today backed the law that bans it, unless it sells itself to an american buyer by sunday's deadline. but hold your horses here, because donald trump, he wants to save it, even though he first suggested banning it four and a half years ago. the president elect will take office the day after that ban takes effect. and the big question is, can he even keep it alive? let's run through his options, shall we? first, he could try to persuade tiktok's chinese owner to sell it. he's already mulling an executive order to get more time to find a suitable buyer. in just a moment, i'll speak with the man who says he's the guy to

be that buyer, mr. wonderful kevin o'leary. he's offering $20 dollars in cash. will tiktok take him up on that offer? well, the company has given no indication that it's actually for sale, and it's almost certain china won't allow it to just hand over what makes tiktok so powerful. it's the algorithm. it almost sounds like china is taking a page, maybe out of mr. wonderful's book. >> you have not embraced the. no, steve, this thing is womp womp wah wah wah. >> but there is this. trump says today that he spoke with china's president about tiktok, and now the company's ceo is doling out the praise in a currency that trump understands. it's called flattery. >> i want to thank president trump for his commitment to work with us, to find a solution that keeps tiktok available in the united states. we are grateful and

pleased to have the support of a president who truly understands our platform. one who has used tiktok to express his own thoughts and perspectives, connecting with the world and generating more than 60 billion views of his content in the process. >> another important piece of the puzzle, tiktok ceo is set to be at trump's inauguration. is there a deal to be made? maybe in person? all right, that was option one. now here's option two. trump could tell his incoming attorney general to not enforce the ban, but that's a risk for app stores and companies that host tiktok's content, because they'd still technically be in violation of the law and wondering if they're going to be prosecuted for it. option number three trump could try to get congress to repeal or change the law. but remember, it had huge bipartisan support. 360 to 58 were in favor. lawmakers are seriously concerned about china being able to manipulate content or get data

from american users. that gets us to what's behind door number four. the fourth scenario, we'll call it the wild card. trump could say that tiktok is complying with the law, whether it's true or not, but that has its own legal risks. now, look, those are just trump's options. we don't know what tiktok will actually do if it does decide to totally pull the plug come sunday. what will that mean for the americans who use it, especially the creators, the small businesses that really rely on it for their livelihood and incomes? well, with the clock ticking on tiktok, we may find out in just about a day. okay, the shark tank's kevin o'leary. he is the chairman of o'leary ventures. good to see you. the clock is ticking. you have made one heck of an offer. $20 billion in cash for tiktok. have they said they want to accept your offer at all? >> difficult situation because

you've really detailed it. well the reason it goes dark is the servers. the american servers, those companies, oracle and others have to abide by the law. so at 1159 on the 19th, they will shut it down or they're going to be fined $5,000 per user every 12 hours, 1.7 billion. so they're not going to do that. what we need to have happen here is the company should sign frank mccourt and kevin o'leary's loi, the only one i know to be valid right now. the company has it and give them and ask biden, biden, president biden, who has this right now to give us a 90 day extension, which he's allowed to by the order of congress from the original situation. it's built into the order, and then it becomes trump's deal on 1205. we need to work with both both administrations. i've got all my companies, 60% of their

digital spend is on tiktok. 6.5 million american families make a living off this. we can't let this go dark. the path is clear unless someone else has an loi, they can sign so that biden can actually grant the 90 days tomorrow. it's going to go dark because no american service provider is going to risk 1,000,000,007 fees, fines a day. >> so for them to not clear what has to happen, i love the i love the drama. one thing though, loi just for our audience. letter of intent. i'm assuming we're going to break it down for everyone who doesn't have 20 billion in cash to offer to buy tiktok, right? number one, but the idea of. of what? of why they've said, is it actually for sale? you may have a great offer, but are they saying that they are you having any indication that they want to even sell it, or are they going to essentially go dark and say, look, based on what you've said, all the people who need it, all the americans who rely on it for their livelihood, you guys

figure it out because we know how valuable our asset might be. >> ball is not in our court. the ball tonight for the next 20 hours is with chai. he decides he will give the decision as to whether or not the company can sell the assets, excluding the algorithm, which clearly today on a90 decision by the supreme court said. and if you look at paragraph on the bottom of page five, five and six of the actual opinion, we cannot buy the algorithm. that's clear. do you still want it without our offer? no we don't we can't buy it. it's clear the supreme court has decided we cannot own the algorithm. mccourt and i have said we will not buy it. >> is it still valuable without it to you? it's. >> we put a we think it's worth $20 billion. we're willing to talk about it. we don't know with certainty. we haven't seen the assets of the

company. but the whole point is everybody involved in this chai. trump 6.5 million american businesses. we've got to keep it lit up. we don't want to turn it off. so let's the path is clear. it's it's indicated in the original order of congress sign the loi. the only loi i know of is is the mccourt o'leary loi. sign it. get the 90 day extension from biden and let trump administer it past 1205 on the 20th. this is the craziest situation i've ever seen, but all my companies are on this. 60% of our digital spend. we can't let this go dark. and here's the thing you really have to think about, because this really matters. it's not in our court. chai and trump, the two of them. i suggest that if chai lets this go dark, i think he's going to make trump unhappy. not a good outcome for these two men who

have a very, very difficult road ahead together. the right thing to do is to allow our syndicate to enter into an loi, to extend it. i don't think it's a good idea to trump off. that's all i'm saying. >> well, one person you haven't mentioned, the tiktok ceo who's going to be at the inauguration, we just heard him play a video. some people say there's nothing like an in-person eye contact discussion to get a deal signed. are you going to try to talk to him at the inauguration? that's where he's going to be. >> listen, i will talk to anybody. frank and i have been working on this. we stay awake 22 hours a night on this thing. we'll meet anybody i'm going to meet. i'm flying up to washington in the morning. i think i'm meeting 20 senators and lawmakers, but it's really in chinese court right now. it really is. and and i would say to keep our two

>> think trump achieve a special relationship. it's adversarial in some ways, co-operative and others. trump and cheers going to decide this. >> it's trump's deal at 1205. frank and i are going to work with trump on this thing and the entire i mean, this is a waltz thing. it's everybody's thing. we'll see. it's not good. it's not it's not good. >> well, certainly i've heard from a number of content creators it's not good to shut down small companies in america. >> it's not good to shut down small if they believe $20 billion is enough to be persuaded. >> or if they want to sell. i want to turn. thank you, kevin o'leary. >> i didn't say it was. i

didn't put it up. we put it on the table. >> i'm not. i'm not the one you have to convince. i would take the $20 billion. honey, i'm saying the people who need to actually make the decision about it, who are going to look at it and say, i didn't say it was up for sale. i know how powerful it is. you've already agreed that we don't have. we don't have the leverage. the nature of the deal means that who who has leverage will be able to make the best decision. i guess we'll see what happens. thank you. kevin i'll give you 21 billion ready to go. now make it 30. i know you like to talk. thank you so much, kevin. we'll talk again. i'm curious if they'll take your offer. i want to bring in jameel jaffer. he's the former associate counsel to president bush on national security. and he filed an amicus brief to the supreme court warning about the national security dangers of tiktok. let me begin at this point with you, jamal. the idea of xi fearing irritating trump is that anywhere in his priority list? >> well, i'm not sure if it's

in his priority list, but what's interesting is exactly what kevin o'leary mr. wonderful just said, that president xi is going to make the decision. shou chew, the ceo of tiktok, doesn't matter. this is the proof that tiktok isn't controlled by bytedance or the company. it's really a chinese government asset designed to collect information on americans, designed to send messages to american audiences from the chinese communist party. so kevin o'leary, he's right. and frankly, if shou chew if shou chew signs the deal. great. let it be sold to an american company. let it be sold to kevin o'leary and frank and frank mccourt. and let's get it out of the chinese communist party's hands and let american content creators rule. >> let me let me play the role of the average tiktok user here who would say, i'm using it to to do dances, to look at content. that is what i'm interested in, whether it's food prep or looking at people doing asmr, whatever it might be. i'm not looking at it to get actual hard news and content. so why should the average person who uses it believe the way that congress has suggested?

this is a national security interest to manipulate information in order to give you the shape, the content on the platform? >> two big problems, right? one, they can collect a tremendous amount of data on 175 million americans. everything on your phone, all your contacts, all your calendar information, all that stuff. plus, because the app is installed, therefore they have access to everything. and you consent to all these all these things. in addition, even when you don't consent to it being able to turn on the microphone, we know that tiktok internal microphones remotely without even even though you said no. right. but then you add on top of that this messaging piece, right. think about what what china can do if it controls the messages that come to you through tiktok. we don't see a lot of content about tiananmen square. we don't see a lot of content about tibet. we saw them push that narrative about osama bin laden's letter to america being right after october 7th. so we know the chinese communist party uses tiktok to message to american audiences, in fact, when they when when the ban was passed in congress, tiktok sent a message to all 175 million american users call congress, try to stop the ban. they're literally lobbying on this platform, and

that's part of the problem. >> i spoke to a content creator just yesterday, and here's what he thinks about this idea of national security concerns. listen. >> if it was truly a national security concern, let's face it, president biden, vice president kamala harris and donald trump would not be actively campaigning on that app. this is predominantly the federal government wanting to control the narrative. and if they can't control the narrative, they're just simply going to shut it down. >> what do you think? >> well, look, i respect his view, but the reality is a90 majority in the supreme court decided he was wrong. a30 majority on the d.c. circuit and over nearly 400 members of congress, one of the most bipartisan, nearly unanimous decisions across both the house and the senate. so, look, i get his position. i understand the perspective. but at the end of the day, the truth is what kevin o'leary said, right? well, trump, it's okay. >> finish your point. >> no, china. the chinese government is deciding who buys and who sells it because it's a

chinese state asset. >> at the end of the day, trump has some discretion here, though he could simply say that that it has been divested. he's got a lot of discretion over whether that's actually accomplished or not. he has the sole discretion. so he could conceivably suggest, oh, i've looked at it. it's a divestiture. it's back online. >> we'll see. you're right. he could jameel jaffer. >> thank you so much. i'm going to hold kevin o'leary to his $21 billion offer. up next, the indoor inauguration and the new reporting on what happens the day after as city of chicago gets wind of what could be the very first deportation raids of donald trump's second term, plus merrick garland's plan to get the classified documents report out to congress. but the big question now is will judge aileen cannon go for it? that's ahead. >> kobe the making of a legend. premieres january 25th on cnn.

i feel like new sunglasses, like a brand new pair of jeans. >> i feel like taking chances. i feel alive. >> brand new. for. oh to learn more about celebrity cruises latest offers, work play. >> blink. relief. work. >> play. blink. >> relief. the only 3 in 1 extended relief formula for dry eyes. >> blink the beard that doesn't itch. are you using king c gillette or nothing? king c gillette look, this beard trimmer pros got 40 length settings. and this beard oil. one of gq's best beer conditioners for soft, no itch facial hair. >> the best man can get is king c gillette. >> my doctor's office with a filing system from the 80s has

my social. >> think of all the places that can expose your info. lifelock monitors millions of data points for identity theft. if there's a problem, we fix it. guaranteed natural has organic broccoli, blueberries, and carrots. >> ours has polyethylene glycol, vitamin e from sunflowers, red 40 lake. >> which is another way of saying artificial coloring, natural whole food multivitamins available on amazon and natural.com. >> if i had to start college again from scratch, i probably wouldn't have made it. university of phoenix made the process of transferring my credits seamless and simple. life's too short to repeat the work you've already done. >> everyone's getting that new simplisafe outdoor monitoring. >> how do we compete with ai powered outdoor cameras and live agent monitoring? >> this is simplisafe. >> whoa! i didn't even see those guys. there's no safe like, simply safe when you really need to sleep, you reach

for the really good stuff. >> ezequiel ultra helps you sleep better and longer when you need it most. its non-habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil. ezequiel ultra. when you really, really need to sleep. >> dexcom g7 sends your glucose numbers to your phone and watch so you can always see where you're heading without fingersticks. dexcom g7 is the most accurate cgm, so you can manage your diabetes with confidence. it. are you ready for this new alka-seltzer plus cold or flu fizzy chews let's say you're deep in a show or a game or the game. on a train, at home, at work. okay, maybe not at work. point is at xfinity. we're constantly engineering new ways to get the entertainment you love to you faster and easier than ever. that's what i do. is that love island?

to 40% off with code lumen tv. start your health journey today at lumen mi. >> today we are at the mall working as janitors. >> we've got to do and say what the other guys tell us. also, the garbage pail is remote controlled. we'll be testing out a number of beverages. this drink may cause a mild seasoning of external features. i'm about to propose to my girlfriend. would

you mind giving me a hand? okay. >> jonah. you've always been a nasty freak. will you marry me? >> impractical jokers. all new thursdays at ten on tbs. set your dvr now. >> new tonight. the wall street journal reporting the incoming trump administration is set to carry out mass deportations as early as tuesday in chicago. the targets will be undocumented migrants, immigrants with criminal backgrounds. they're saying donald trump, of course, promises this during the campaign. and tonight, his border czar is making sure that everyone is on notice of that fulfillment. >> there's going to be a big raid all across the country. chicago is just one of many places. on tuesday, you can expect ice as ice is finally going to go out and do their job. we're going to take the handcuffs off ice and let them go arrest criminal aliens. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator and former senior spokesperson for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, karen finney and cnn senior political

commentator and former special assistant to president george w. bush, scott jennings, fresh off the bluegrass ball tux and all. everyone, although i appreciate you dressed up for the show today. thank you. >> it doesn't work out. i'll be waiting tables at a nearby fancy restaurant here in washington. i'll take your orders. it'll be fine. >> tip your waitresses. order the fish. i'm glad that you're here. let me ask you this question first, scott, because the wall street journal reports that, you know, essentially, if you were to throw out the net that wide, you're going to understandably catch people who are not criminals, who have not committed a crime. is this the right tactic on day one, given that he has stated the priorities of focusing on a select demographic? >> well, first of all, if you came into the country illegally, by definition you are a criminal of some kind. a. b. it's been made pretty clear the priority is to find people who are here who have otherwise criminal records on top of that, who have committed violent crimes. and see, this is what the american people voted for. they want this

situation controlled. it's out of control. you've had millions of people flow into the country, including a lot of violent people. if they succeed right out of the gate in catching those folks. yes, this is what the bureaucracy is for, though, is to help sort this out. but you can't let, in my opinion, the perfect be the enemy of the good. and the good right here is to get immigration crisis under control in this country. >> bureaucracy, though, often takes coordination at the state and federal level. and i'm not hearing any reporting that there has been that coordination quite yet at the local level. do you have concerns about what that will look like? and democrats will be pretty tested about what they're prepared to do, to say no, if at all. >> well, look, i mean, we've been hearing, frankly, since the election, teachers are concerned about children who may go home and a parent isn't there, or are they going to come into houses of worship? are they getting the questions about just the logistics of how this is going to work? is certainly both terrifying. a lot of communities across this country. but yeah, it is a huge logistical concern and we're

not really hearing details about, are they at least in contact with local law enforcement? obviously, in some of the blue, you know, i know they've said there's not going to be any sanctuary cities. well, okay. but there's still a police force in that city that needs to be made aware of what it is you're going to try to do. and so that would be my concern. and i would say that i think, i hope the president's team is really giving this thoughtful consideration, because it could be a debacle on day one. it could it could be a mess. it could be, it could go smoothly. it could be. i don't think it will. but i think how what does it look like and what does it feel like in communities across the country? yes. people voted because they wanted in part because they wanted to get this situation, you know, dealt with the way that trump has talked about it. but what that looks like and how that goes down will matter a great deal, i think. >> look, we've had deportations in this country before. i mean, president obama deported millions upon millions of people from the country. it can be done. it's just that it

hasn't been a priority for the last four years. but it is a priority now. and the fact that they're going to get started on their priority on the first day ought to be a signal to the american people and to localities, as you all pointed out, that this administration is serious. this is not lip service. this is not campaign rhetoric. this is serious. and the people asked for it, and they're going to deliver it. and look, i mean, when you're doing something this big, could you have, you know, speed bumps out there or problems. of course, anytime the government's doing anything, you could have a problem. but by and large, i think they have the capacity to do what they said they were going to do. start with the violent criminals who are out roaming the streets. start there. and i think people will be happy with that. >> that's that's part of the concern. in terms of the first question i asked you, if your prioritizing violent criminals and you say that everyone who's come is is a criminal, but they have articulated a list and an order of who they think should be prioritized. i'm not a fan of the arbitrary. the first 100 days, and let's study it. and to exhaustion. it's kind of an arbitrary notion, but i am

interested in if the campaign rhetoric said day one and you're not prepared for day one, are you just trying to fulfill a campaign promise when you could do it more effectively, with more thought, with more planning? or does it become performative? >> i mean, just for the scenes of people being pulled out of buildings for the cameras without having without saying, you know what, let's take three days and make sure we are briefing people so they know this is how it's going to go. this is what's going to happen so that there is some level of coordination. >> i think that's what does it does it does it does it risk it? >> look, i think that you know, who the violent people are. and look, there's also like 1.6 million people that already have deportation orders from the courts. you know who those people are. so there's obviously a large pool to start with. i'm not sure what we'd be waiting for. i do agree that you need good local coordination. i am concerned that some people in some localities, some local officials have already said they won't cooperate or that they'll try to stop what's happening. that would be a

huge, huge mistake because this is a top priority for the american people. >> speaking of numbers, by the way, we're going to see less people at the inauguration because it's going to be moving indoors. we remember he was very concerned about the size of the crowd, and he wants to confirm that people know about the mandate he believes he has. is it a mistake to move it indoors at the risk of not having everyone who is traveling to be here able to be there? >> yeah, it's a huge disappointment for a lot of people who wanted to see this, but it's not a mistake because it is going to be super cold. it's dangerous to human beings. it's dangerous to like the horses and stuff that they'll have out there. it's the right call. even though it's a huge disappointment. millions upon millions of people will watch it around the world. and if i had to give them any advice, it would be maybe in march or april when it gets a little warmer around here, schedule something on the mall and bring all your people back and give them the celebration that they want. >> i'm from minnesota. >> i'm rolling my eyes. okay. i mean, it's cold. it's cold. >> the president's from florida now. we got to. >> it used to be in new yorker. i'm just saying it's cold.

whatever. >> we don't want anybody freezing. >> we do not. we do not. >> everyone should be safe. so why don't you stay home and watch cnn? we'll be covering it all day long. we'll be here in the morning. see how that goes. see, i did there. karen finney, scott jennings, thank you both so much. up next, will she or won't she? judge aileen cannon facing new pressure to release the classified documents report before trump takes office. the major clue we just got from the hearing today. and later, a new book spilling the tea on what it was like to get joe biden to step down, revealing never before heard conversations between top democrats and the president himself. the book's authors will join me tonight. >> so what are you thinking? >> i'm thinking about our honeymoon. what about africa safari? hot air balloon ride. swim with elephants. wait. can we afford a safari? great question. >> like everything takes a little planning. >> or put the money towards a down payment on a ranch in

montana with horses. >> let's take a look at those scenarios. >> jp morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools like wealth plan to help keep you on track when you're planning for it all. the answer is jp morgan wealth. >> this is what joint pain looks like when you keep moving with a leave just one to leave. 12 hours of uninterrupted joint pain relief. aleve strength to last 12 hours. >> thanks for calling. consumer cellular ranked number one in network coverage and customer satisfaction. >> hi my friend linda has you guys and gets way better coverage than i do. >> sounds like linda has you beat. >> not at bowling. >> you're breaking up a little. >> are you really ranked number one in coverage? >> yep. and plans start at just $20. oh, we could afford lessons for linda. >> you're embarrassing yourself. >> at least my phone works. >> switched to the carrier, ranked number one in network coverage satisfaction. and right now, get your second month free call consumer cellular today. >> best part of the party? snooping in the bathroom.

>> oh. party fell. not listening to your dentist? make the sonicare switch for a champ. be gentle. be effective. be you. i love you. >> lumber liquidators is open and ready to save you big money on a beautiful new floor. see our flooring experts at over 200 locations nationwide. save at least 50% on a new floor. go to lumber liquidators. com. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting and could reactivate shingles strikes is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks, and it could wake at any time. think you are not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. >> here you go. >> is there any way to get a

better price on this? >> have you checked single care? whenever my customers ask how to get a better price on their meds, i tell them about single care. it's a free app accepted at pharmacies nationwide. >> before i pick up my prescription, i always check the single care price. >> it's quick, easy, and totally free to use. single care can literally beat my insurance co-pay. >> you just search for your prescription and show your single care coupon at the pharmacy. >> so i just show the coupon and get this price. >> that's right. go to single care.com and start saving today. >> you give eye exams, i give fresh starts, better vision, healthy eyes. >> everybody wants that. >> paradox saves vision. well.

free. mindful advantage is not available in stores. just text wit to 321321. now. >> lockerbie, february 16th on cnn. >> with about 60 hours or so left in the biden presidency, time is ticking for the doj to send the congress. the special

counsel's report into donald trump's classified documents case. but judge aileen cannon doesn't seem to be in a rush to release it at all. she argues the case is still very much alive. yes, she dismissed the charges against trump and his aides, walt nauta and carlos de oliveira. but the doj is appealing that, remember, and they're trying to revive the case against at least the two aides for now. and cannon argues releasing the report could actually prejudice them and their presumption of innocence, as she put it, quote, at the end of the day, what's the urgency of doing this right now? however, democrats argue there's plenty of urgency. they fear trump's doj will end the case and and stop the report from ever seeing the light of day once he takes office on monday. the ag merrick garland's proposed sharing it with the leaders of the house and senate judiciary committees and swearing them to secrecy. but cannon doesn't seem to buy that pinky swear guarantee, either. with me now, cnn legal analyst elliot

williams. elliot, good to see you here. okay. um, there is a responsibility for the special counsel to provide a report. then the a.g. hands it over to congress. that's supposed to be the way it goes. um, cannon saying no. does she have any right to do so? you know, for the first time, i think judge aileen cannon, who is overseeing this case, is onto something. >> and i think she's right here. and this is and i say this after having watched her sort of mismanage a lot of aspects of the case, it's hard to plausibly make an argument for releasing a report that contains investigative materials and all kinds of things that can hurt the reputations of criminal defendants while they have cases pending and at. if there is a chance that these people are going to be prosecuted, it's just not it's not the right time to release the report. >> and the thought is people are saying, well, it's kind of an exercise and they're not going to stay being prosecuted because they'll have a new doj head. trump won't allow this to happen, but that speculation is not convincing to her because

it could go a different way as well. >> it could. absolutely. and this idea and you see this in a lot of contexts where congress can say, well, just trust us. we can keep a secret, you know, and the law requires that members of congress can see these reports. and by the way, you know, this isn't a release to the public. and we'll watch it at the justice department. we won't have our phones on us. come on. it's it's a release to people who are not investigators. and it's not, uh, it's not entirely proper to do so. >> so follow this thread. say you've got a new attorney general, likely pam bondi, and she has the report and doesn't want to hand it over even after the case has been dismissed against these two. presumably. can congress then subpoena it? >> oh, that's an interesting question. if congress can subpoena it now, the law says that the attorney general, you know, i believe shall turn it over to congress. but what's to stop the attorney general from not doing so? quite frankly, what's to stop merrick garland or anybody else in the justice department from just reading it publicly right now? now, they might be held in contempt of

congress because they're breaking the law. get a president to pardon you. i mean, it's just we're at a world now, laura, where the hypotheticals are of such that, you know, the rules kind of don't apply anymore based on where we are in the pursuit of justice right now on all sides. and so the question is, what is to stop the future attorney general from not handing it over to congress or the public or the current one from just saying, well, yolo, i'm just i want to get this information out there. and he could probably do it if he wanted. >> if merrick garland says yolo all of a sudden i'm going back live for a second. elliot williams, thank you so much. up next, an upcoming new book. it's making a huge splash with an extraordinary account on what it was actually like, actually, like to get president joe biden to step down. the book revealing what senator schumer did, what obama said, and the one fateful conversation that may have sealed the deal. the book's authors are live with me in studio

next. >> kobe the making of a legend premieres january 25th on cnn. >> what's going on? off cameras. off. >> all live cams off. >> what's going on here? >> they just took us off the air. >> get out of my studio. >> turn the cameras back on. >> everyone is raving about september 5th. >> there's a hostage situation in the olympic village. >> it's masterful and heart pounding. >> people are going to want to see it. >> don't miss one of the best movies of the year. >> we can't make one mistake. >> september 5th rated r. >> yellow didn't pass the tissue test. buckle up. diddy jia cobb. there's toothpaste, wife. and there's crest 3-d whitestrips white whitening like a $400 professional treatment. prepare for nonstop smile. >> crest. >> let's just take a little bit. >> no, this part is never easy, but at least saving on your

family's medication is prescription savings made easy? another good reason to check good rx. >> just a little bit more and you'll feel all better. >> ooh. stuffed up again. >> so congested. >> you need saline from vicks. >> just sign x, breathe. >> what is. wow. >> senex. breathe. ah. >> what? simplisafe. got that i don't 24 over seven monitoring to help stop crime in real time. >> oh, stop. this is simplisafe. >> maybe simplisafe and i could work together. >> unlikely. >> there's no safe. like, simply safe. psoriatic arthritis symptoms can be unpredictable. >> one day, your joints hurt, the next sits on your skin. >> i got cosentyx. feels good to move. feel less joint. pain, swelling and tenderness. back pain and clearer skin. and help stop further joint damage with cosentyx. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur

like tuberculosis or other serious bacterial, fungal, or viral infections. some are fatal. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms like fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. had a vaccine or plan to. or if inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen serious allergic reactions and severe eczema like skin reactions may occur. just bust a move. ask your rheumatologist about cosentyx. >> my accountant who uses unsecured email, has all my tax info. >> fraudulent tax returns due to identity theft increased by 20% last year. that's why lifelock monitors millions of data points for identity theft. lifelock for the threats you can't control. >> i love that my daughter still needs me, but sometimes i can't help due to burning and stabbing pain in my hands. so i use nervive nervive clinical dose of ehla reduces nerve discomfort in as little as seven days. now i can help again. feel the difference with nervive. >> well, you're in the big leagues now. >> how was your vacation, sir? >> well, i needed one with your 10% loyalty program discount.

>> that's $225 for the night. >> not bad. >> $155 for the night. >> hold up. how? >> it's easy when you know where to look. >> trivago compares hotel prices from hundreds of sites so you can save up to 40%. >> trivago is my secret tactic. >> hotel trivago. >> thinking of banking in africa? think zenith in today's fast moving, fast changing world, you need a financial partner that understands your unique expectations. a bank with presence in major financial centers across the world, with the enabling platform to facilitate seamlessly whenever, wherever and however, a bank with best in class financial solutions from a superb combination of technology and human touch for easy, fast and secure banking that creates real value, turning dreams into reality is now in your

hands. people. technology. service. zenith bank in your best interest. >> got a good one coming your way. >> chris forkner zeitoun. >> it's obviously a challenging game trying to stop guys like barkov, tkachuk and reinhart all through the crease. >> la another heavy team that's never easy to go in. >> this should be a whole lot of fun. >> panthers kings wednesday at 930 on tnt. >> all right let's turn back the clock to the summer. back to those fateful three weeks when democrats worried about president biden's campaign. well, tonight, the new york times revealing there was much more to the pressure that biden faced to quit the race than was ever first known now publicly. senator chuck schumer said that he had the president's back. >> are you confident that president biden has what it takes to win in november and serve the next four years? >> as i've said before, i'm with joe. >> there might be a challenge at the convention, and if there

is, is there the ability to throw out the virtual nomination? >> as i've said before, i'm with joe. >> senator murray, who just left, made a statement last night saying that she believes that biden needs to do more to demonstrate that he's strong enough to defeat donald trump. >> do you agree with her sentiment? >> as i've said before, i'm with joe. >> i think he's with joe. well, privately, schumer was not with joe. in fact, the times reports, schumer told the president, quote, if i were you, i wouldn't run. and i'm urging you not to run. a week later, the president dropped out of that race. the new york times reporters behind that scoop. joining me now, congressional correspondent annie karni and luke broadwater. their reporting comes from their brand new upcoming book, madhouse how donald trump maga mean girls, a former used car salesman, a florida nepo baby and a man with rats in his walls, broke congress. i like that title. it's good. it's very catchy,

very quick. let me start with you, annie, on this. take us inside that 45 minute conversation when he technically was with joe, but he wasn't supporting him. >> no, this this was a conversation that came a few weeks after the debate. he had tried to hold off senators for as long as possible from going public, but they were not going to hold any longer. and he requested this private meeting, one on one meeting with biden at his rehoboth beach house. they sit on the porch, a fenced in porch overlooking a pond, and this was a conversation, probably the hardest conversation schumer has had in a four decade career in politics, when he literally wrote on note cards what he planned to say, and practiced it on the drive from brooklyn to delaware, and then sat with him and outlined for him everything that senators were worried about and said to him to his face, if you run and you lose to trump, and we lose the house and we lose the senate, you will go down in history as one of the darkest figures in politics. and here we are.

>> it was a four hour journey. he was practicing the entire time. right. but also he appealed to the legacy component, which would appeal to somebody like president biden. but he also gave details about how many people in the caucus. he said if there was a vote today, you might have five. >> yeah, i mean, that's one of the shocking things that really stood out from that conversation is chuck schumer knows his senators better than anybody. and at the time, some people were grumbling about joe biden behind the scenes. but the fact that all but five would have been in favor of him dropping out, i think, is going to be a surprise to most most americans when they read this book. and the fact that he put that directly to biden, i think, really drove home the point. >> i mean, at one point, biden was quoted as saying, you've got bigger balls than anyone i've ever met. but i have to keep wondering when reading it, why was he the messenger? you you intimate that president obama thought he could not be the messenger because he believed that biden had a chip on his shoulder because he had

supported hillary clinton? >> yeah. so there was like only a small group of people who could go to the president directly and have a conversation like this at all. pelosi was one of them. and we saw what she did. she did it more publicly. but hakeem jeffries, barack obama and chuck schumer were really talking, the three of them, about how to strategize about what to do. they all thought he needed to leave. but the question was, how do we how do we not get his back up? and obama came to schumer and said, you know, my relationship with biden is fragile. there's still a chip of resentment for the fact that obama backed hillary clinton in 2016 and told him not to run then. so he said, you know, me coming again and saying again, like, not you. i might not be the best messenger. you might be a better one. so obama was pushing schumer to be the one to go to rehoboth and have this conversation, understanding that, like if he heard it from him, it might not have the desired effect. and they all agreed that the desired effect, no matter if they said i'm with joe in public or not, was that joe

would step aside. >> two things interested me in particular. one was that it seemed as though the debate, which of course everyone points to as that turning point. that was a almost a convenient excuse for schumer to convey that he did not want him to run, and also, you know, it's pelosi who's gotten a lot of the the blame or maybe the credit, depending on how you look at this. in fact, it was joe biden who expressed his appointment and interviewed the washington post, saying something like, we were friends for 50 years. it was disappointing. sounds like it was schumer as well. why is it just pelosi who has been identified as the person who did it? >> well, i think pelosi was the most public. the comments that she made on television really caught people's attention. whereas schumer and jeffries and some of these other democrats worked more behind the scenes. and the fact that jeffries going into the meeting said, had concluded it was irretrievable, that democrats could be successful in the election with biden at the top of the ticket, i think is another another revealing thing from this article.

>> i also think they all have different roles. first of all, hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer at the time were in leadership. pelosi is in an emeritus role. it gives her a little more freedom to go on tv and say the things she said that would have different meaning if she had still been the minority leader or the speaker of the house. she couldn't do it with that much freedom. she's also a peer to biden, same age. they've been friends for 50 years. jeffries is young enough to be his grandson, and chuck schumer is, like, still, in biden's eyes, a junior senator to him. like like, you know, so there's different levels of power here that we're talking about. and i think that pelosi going public and being like, really the peer and the longtime friend was the most maybe personally hurtful to the bidens. i think the other ones, they less of a personal connection there. >> well, what about the vice president, kamala harris, who obviously went on to become the one to secure the nomination? there was a moment when biden was was asking asked two questions during the course of

the conversation, whether he thought kamala harris could really win. tell me about that. >> yeah, it's the only thing biden says to schumer during the whole this whole 45 minute speech schumer is giving, he's he's thinking about the election. and i think there's some doubt in his mind whether kamala harris can pull it off. and schumer's response is, i don't know. but she has a better chance than you. and you know that that was the kind of it's kind of praise, but it's they were really in a tough situation. and now i think looking back, they all think they should have done this months ahead of time to try to have a better campaign. >> well, what was behind that question? i mean, if you can sort of take us in what you know about the room, was it that he he doubted that she could win or wondered if she could win because she's the vice president? but it sounds like and i don't know how to read his statements. did he not believe in her ability, or he thought that he was questioning whether others thought she could do it? >> i think he questioned whether she could beat her ability to beat trump, and i

think he still i mean, we saw his interview with usa today. he said, i believe like today, he thinks he could have beaten trump. so he was questioning her ability to have a better chance than he did. he still thought, i'm the guy who beat trump. i'm the guy who can beat trump. and you know, schumer had to tell him, like, i don't know. but she has basically she has a better chance than you. you have a you haven't talked to your pollsters. i have they are saying you have a 5% chance of winning. so it was a blunt, a very bluntly delivered message. and one thing that struck me on the human level is that, you know, chuck schumer has been in a lot of high stakes political situations. but when he left that meeting and got back in the car and called his aides to tell him what happened, he just broke down in tears and like it was a it's a really hard thing to do to sit with the president of your own party, who's again, a senior to you, and tell him, i urge you to not run. i mean, it's it's unprecedented.

it's it's unprecedented. and it was you don't think about these people always as humans. and it was it was a tough human moment there, especially when you knew what you had said in front of the cameras. >> we'll see more about this. it's a really fascinating book and read. thank you both so much. annie carney. luke broadwater. still ahead, the catfishing, i'm gonna call it the scheme of the century. in that realm, scammers using i photos of brad pitt to dupe one woman out of nearly a million bucks. the real brad pitt is now weighing in, and my next guests have a lot to say on all of it. their next. >> have i got news for you is back for a new season. >> whether you like it or not. are those the only two choices? yes. you like it or you don't? >> i'm on the fence. >> this is going to be a long season. >> have i got news for you returns february 15th on cnn. >> hey, neighbor. you switched to t-mobile home internet yet? >> trim your hedge.

>> it's 35 bucks a month with no price hikes. >> bam! >> it runs on t-mobile's wireless 5g network, so all you got to do is plug in one cord. >> t-mobile 5g home internet just 35 bucks a month. and with price lock, we won't raise your rate on internet, i did it! >> whoa! >> i switched to t-mobile home internet and i am loving it. >> don't sneak up on me like that. >> believe it or not, baby. >> at university of phoenix. >> you you you you could earn your masters for under 11,000. >> 11. >> yes, 11 master's degree for under 11 k in less than a year. >> some things are too obvious to be a coincidence. earn your competency based masters at university of phoenix. >> is your asthma rescue a dinosaur air supra is the only asthma rescue inhaler fda approved to treat symptoms and help prevent asthma attacks.

>> air supra should not be used as a maintenance treatment for asthma. get medical help right away if your breathing doesn't improve or worsens, or for serious allergic reactions like rash, mouth or tongue swelling, trouble breathing or swallowing, or chest pain, using air super more than prescribed could be life threatening. serious side effects include increased risk of thrush or infections, or heart problems like faster heart rate and higher blood pressure. ask your doctor if air supra is right for you. >> lumber liquidators is open and ready to save you big money on a beautiful new floor. see our flooring experts at over 200 locations nationwide. save at least 50% on a new floor. go to lumber liquidators. com. >> upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast. thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better six digestive symptoms the power of nature iberogast. >> here you go. >> is there any way to get a better price on this? >> have you checked single care? whenever my customers ask how to get a better price on

their meds, i tell them about single care. it's a free app accepted at pharmacies nationwide. >> before i pick up my prescription, i always check the single care price. >> it's quick, easy, and totally free to use. single care can literally beat my insurance copay. >> you just search for your prescription and show your single care coupon at the pharmacy. >> so i just show the coupon and get this price. >> that's right. go to single care.com and start saving today. >> follow my finger without turning your head. now just follow with your eyes. i don't think you understand what i'm asking. >> i don' z's bakery is looking to add a pizza oven, arissa's hair salon wants to expand their space, and steve's t-shirt shop wants to bring on more help. with the comcast business 5-year price lock guarantee, they can think more about possibilities for their business and not the cost of their internet. it's five years of gig-speeds and advanced security. all from the company with 99.9% network reliability. get the 5-year price lock guarantee, now back for a limited time. powering five years of savings. powering possibilities™.

work faster than old school pills. get $30 off at. ron rowe. kobe day. >> this is cnn, the world's news network. >> closed captioning brought to you by. book.com. >> if you or a loved one have mesothelioma, we'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have. call now and we'll come to you. >> 808 two one 4000.

>> so you and i, if we were married, i would know, for example, okay, if you and i were married, i would want to give you what you need. that's all i'm talking about. taking care of each other the best you can. what's wrong with taking care of a woman? she takes care of you. >> well, that was the real brad pitt in a fictional love story. and now in your screen, fake ai generated brad pitt photos that duped a real woman into a faux not real love relationships. scammers posing as pitt swindled a 53 year-old woman in france out of get this $850,000 in an unbelievable catfishing scheme alone, the fake brad pitt supposedly needed for cancer treatment. the woman even divorced her own husband. the hoax prompting the real brad pitt to issue a statement. it's awful that scammers take advantage of fans strong connection with celebrities, but this is an important reminder to not respond to

unsolicited online outreach, especially from actors who have no social media presence. let's bring in host of boston globe today, shagun olowu and host of stand up with pete dominick podcast. pete dominick i know both of you have many thoughts, but i got to tell you, this woman says, quote, i just wanted to help someone and yes, i've been scammed. that's why i came forward, because i'm not the only one in this situation. i got to tell you, as crazy as this seems, i feel so badly. this woman that was duped. this way. pete, what do you think? >> i mean, i feel bad for other people. she must have some kind of mental illness. if it were me, i wouldn't have told anybody. there's a special place in hell for any of these scammers. but good god, laura, how could you possibly believe that? he doesn't even have the same hairstyle or length of hair in any of these pictures. and is nobody going to ask about her poor husband? the the woman left her husband for fake brad pitt. laura, what do you

think? do you think i could pull this off, by the way? >> i don't know. i knew you were going to ask that question, because i think you were looking at the hair and thought, could i do this? but let me ask you, because, yes, i think there is a special place in hell for people who do this sort of scamming. and she didn't know better. she says, i know people are wondering and they're actually they're going in on her online about this. but the idea they should actually do this, you think so? >> they should. >> yes they should. look, i'm not for harassment, right? but laughter and mockery. i'm here for it on this case because, as pete said, she divorced her husband. look, shane o'donoghue is not my stage name. my nigerian brethren have made a cottage industry out of scamming people. so if so, again, i know this game pretty well. never done it, but i know it. she gave this man money. a google search would have said brad pitt doesn't have cancer. a google search would have said brad pitt's not in the hospital. so if you had the temerity and i love that word, temerity to divorce your husband, then come forward and

say you were scammed. the husband got scammed, okay? he thought he had married an honest woman who secretly loved him, when in fact she was secretly lusting after brad pitt. you can't con honest people. there's always some type of nefarious bone in their body. she was looking to trade up from what she was sleeping next to, to what she wanted to be with. and no, i'm sorry. no no, no, listen, this seems oddly triggering for you. >> i got to tell you. one, number one, number two, i think it's. i mean, if the criteria for her being mocked in this way and treated is because she, as a married woman, lusted after brad pitt, i think half the country act legends of the fall are going to fall into that category as well. >> well, listen, my wife might be looking at me wishing it was idris elba, but if idris had a broken leg, she's not going to send him money for a cast. that's all i'm saying. you can't give nearly your life savings away off an ai scam and then plead ignorance. she was a professional woman. we should also mention that she had. she was an interior designer and a

simple few keystrokes to find out about brad pitt would have stopped all of this. this was a woman who was hoping, hoping to to leave the man she was with, and they divorced. so salute to him too. he got away clean. >> i feel bad for her. i'll just say i feel bad for her. i think this is horrible, that someone would scam someone in this way. i don't know what she's coming to the table with, but it makes me feel bad. i wonder if brad pitt will offer to pay it. i'm sure he won't, but i want to ask a different question, pete, because i feel like this was very triggering for both of you. as hollywood continues to grapple with the devastating wildfires, you've got legendary author stephen king, who is delivering a blunt seven word message for all of tinseltown. no glitz with los angeles on fire, he's urging the oscars to cancel the ceremony. should they, i mean, you're asking me to disagree with the great stephen king, who is brilliant and an amazing american. >> but no, they shouldn't cancel. i mean, this country,

this culture, this world needs happiness right now. award shows aren't my bag watching actors do this, but a lot of people love this stuff, and it's going to bring money into southern california. and i think those folks themselves could use the joy. i'm never one to say no to joy. i understand why stephen king is saying this, but i absolutely think they got to have the academy awards in hollywood. >> okay, if joy is what's being sought, you had a woman who was trying to find joy in her life to change your mind at all. oh, wait. >> no, not not not at all. and i got to disagree with you, pete, because what what this award show could be used for is to raise money. right? let's do a telethon. let's do a telecast. let's have the studios match dollar for dollar if people are going to call in. but when you're looking at thousand dollar gowns and tuxedos on a red carpet, when people have lost their homes, >> i agree with stephen. no glitz. when people have lost