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>> hello, everyone, and welcome to the amanpour hour. here's where we're headed this week. >> the cease fire itself hopefully, would concentrate minds and get people to agree on what's necessary to get that day after a post-conflict plan in place as israel and hamas reach a cease fire. >> what legacy does joe biden leave behind? the architect of his foreign policy, secretary of state antony blinken, tells me about israel's war in gaza and fighting putin in ukraine. then why the world's fastest aging population is seeking refuge behind bars? >> i don't care if i live or not. i can't tell you how difficult it is to be alone. >> also ahead, oscar winning director pedro almodovar on his new film the room next door and coping with life's greatest mystery. >> we have to be the owner of our death. >> and from my archive. the

evangelical christian alliance with israel's extremist settlers. >> this land is ours. you cannot occupy something that already belongs to you. >> welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour. in the united states this week, for the first time in over a year of seemingly endless death and destruction, a ceasefire deal has been reached in israel's war against hamas. and it comes just days before donald trump takes the oath of office for a second time, as the biden administration prepares to hand over the reins, they surely want history to remember the last four years fairly under the outgoing administration, the world witnessed a chaotic withdrawal of u.s. troops in afghanistan. putin's all out invasion of ukraine, the devastating october 7th attack, and israel's overwhelming response to it. hours before an agreement was finalized, i sat down with biden's top diplomat, the outgoing

secretary of state, antony blinken, in his final tv interview, he reflected on the last four years rebuilding alliances, navigating global turmoil and the uncertain future of u.s. diplomacy in an era of so much conflict abroad and deep division at home. and i started by asking him what the ceasefire between israel and hamas means. >> first, the firing stops hamas israel stopped firing. israel pulls back its forces. hostages begin to be released, prisoners come out of israeli jails and go back. and we surge humanitarian assistance to people who so desperately need it. all of that happens during a six week period, but also during that six weeks. we have to negotiate the understandings to get to a permanent cease fire so that israel pulls all of its forces out of gaza. hamas doesn't come back in, and there's the necessary governance,

security, reconstruction arrangements so that gaza can move forward. is that sorted? that's not sorted. we've worked on it intensely for the last 6 or 7 months, intensely but quietly, with arab partners, with others. i think there's some basic understandings that we've reached, but the cease fire itself hopefully would concentrate minds and get people to agree on what's necessary to get that day. after a post-conflict plan in place. >> i don't know whether you agree, but many analysts are saying that actually trump's arrival has jump started this and has focused people's minds and at least got this cease fire. to be serious, as you say, it's something that the president planned back in may and et cetera.. and i know you often usg blames hamas for its role in delaying, but i don't know whether you saw what itamar ben gvir said to the times of israel just over the last couple of days. he basically said that me and smotrich have successfully prevented any ceasefire deals for the last year, and we still want to prevent this one. how

do you react to that? and are you willing to agree that also israel has held up what could have been the biden ceasefire, which could have saved many lives many, many months ago? >> so should this have happened months ago? yes. could it have happened months ago? yes were there occasions when each side did things that made it more difficult to get this over the finish line? yes, including israel, but predominantly it's been hamas, and certainly in the last few months, hamas had refused to engage. look, i think what the basic dynamic has been this first, what was so important was that there had to be an agreement that this would proceed in two phases, that we'd have these six weeks where everyone stops firing, israel pulls back, hostages come out, prisoners are released, humanitarian assistance goes in, and final arrangements for an enduring ceasefire are made. for months, hamas wouldn't accept that the president went forward, went

public in may, very end of may, early june with a detailed proposal for that. and then we went around the world and everyone came out in support of it, including the un security council. and at that point, hamas was isolated, and it signed on to that framework. and ever since, as i said, we've been working to implement it to get the the final arrangements. but there have been two dynamics that have really, i think, held things back more than anything else. one, hamas was hoping, hoping, hoping that the cavalry would come to the rescue, that it would get a wider war with lebanon and hezbollah, with iran, and the actions that we took, along with israel made it clear that the cavalry was not coming to the rescue. it couldn't count on that. second, it hoped that by holding back, pressure would just mount on israel to give in and to accede to the terms of the ceasefire. hostage deal on hamas's terms. and there again, that hasn't happened. >> just finally, on this issue, ben-gvir and his ilk, they are extremist firebrands that even the u.s. has sanctioned in the past. they want settlements. they say that they want to stay

in gaza. the infrastructure that the idf is creating in gaza points to a permanent stay there in some parts. are you sure? is usg sure that israel will pull out or that it will stay for, i don't know, months, years afterwards? >> what i can tell you is this christiane, first, it's our policy, and it's been our policy very clearly, including principles that i laid out months ago at the very beginning of the conflict in tokyo, that there can't be a permanent occupation of gaza, that israel has to pull out, that the territory of gaza shouldn't be shouldn't be changed. and, of course, it obviously can't be run by hamas or used as a base of terrorism. the cease fire deal itself requires the israeli forces to pull back. and then, assuming you get to a permanent cease fire to pull out entirely. but that's what's so critical about this post-conflict plan, the need to come to an agreement on its arrangements, because there has to be something in place that gives israelis the confidence that they can pull out permanently and not have hamas fill back in and not have a

repeat of the last. really decade. >> i'm not going to ask you the genocide question because i've heard you answer it. you don't believe that that's what israel is doing. although the leading us-israeli scholar on genocide and holocaust studies has told me, he believes after a year of studying this that it does fit that description. but i'm going to ask you about your own officials here in the state department. you know, more than a dozen have resigned, and they're very, very deeply concerned that the actual american laws governing the use of military aid have not been followed. and furthermore, i'm going to ask you about the israelis themselves who talk about war crimes are moshe yaalon, the former defense secretary for netanyahu, likud, not a bleeding heart, liberal ethnic cleansing and war crimes are taking part. and he's doubled down on that. are you prepared to say that war crimes have been committed by israel? >> i can't speak to individual instances. i can say, obviously we've had concerns more than

concerns about the way israel has conducted itself. understanding, first of all, that this is a unique environment, one we haven't really seen before, one where you have a population that's trapped inside of gaza and virtually every other situation in the world, people are able to get out of harm's way. they become refugees in a neighboring country. that's not a good thing, but it's better than being caught in the middle of this kind of maelstrom. second, uniquely, you have an enemy that intentionally embeds itself within the civilian population in and under apartments, in and under schools, mosques, hospitals. that does not in any way absolve israel of the responsibility, the obligation to conduct itself according to international law. but it makes it incredibly. it makes it much more challenging. so we look at this very, very carefully. israel looks at this very, very carefully. the second thing i want to say is this i more than respect, i deeply value the fact that we have people in this department and in our

system who have different views and speak up, speak out. we have something called a dissent channel in the state department where people object to a policy we're pursuing. they can send me a note, a memo, a detailed brief, and and i see it, i read it, i respond to it. and i've gotten, i don't know, a couple of dozen when it comes to gaza, as well as other issues. that is a cherished tradition in this department. and i wanted to make sure that people feel that they can do that. and it's also affected our our thinking in many cases, including including our actions coming up after the break. >> more of my conversation with outgoing secretary blinken on passing the baton to trump on america's leverage over putin. >> we've been determined to make sure that ukraine had what it needed to defend itself as the nature of the battlefield changed, we changed, too, in terms of what we were providing them. >> also ahead, the loneliness epidemic sweeping the world. a report on the lengths some

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conversation, we discussed america's role in the other war that will undoubtedly underscore biden's foreign policy legacy. and that is putin's all out invasion of ukraine. here we are back at the state department. i want to go to ukraine because in the fight for democracy, in the fight for as as you and president biden have been speaking about, especially as you wind down the administration, that these are the big successes of your administration, that you brought this huge alliance together, you expanded nato, you helped ukraine survive, as you know, even within the u.s. environment, people, some experts believe that you didn't go far enough. you didn't give them enough weapons. it's just enough to survive, but not enough to win, or even enough to bring putin properly to the table. seriously. but i want to ask you about what you've just written with secretary of defense austin, where you have, you know, listed your achievements and then said that this is leverage that we can

pass on to donald trump and his administration. and do you think that leverage will be used by the next administration? >> of course, i can't speak to what the next administration will do. i do know that president trump often says that he wants and gets good deals. so one of the things that we've tried to do is to make sure that ukraine has, but also the united states has the strongest possible hand to play if it comes to trying to get a resolution to trying to get a cease fire. and that really depends on two things. it depends on whether that's what ukrainians want to do, and it depends on whether putin will agree to engage in that kind of process. so we'll see. the jury's out on that. but what i can tell you is this remember where we started, putin, who sought to erase ukraine from the map to eliminate ukraine as an independent country, to subsume it into russia? this was an imperial project. that project has failed and it's failed because obviously, the courage of the ukrainian people. but it's also failed because we rallied and kept together a coalition of more than 50 countries in ukraine's defense. and every

step along the way, we've been determined to make sure that ukraine had what it needed to defend itself. as the nature of the battlefield changed, we changed too, in terms of what we were providing them. every step along the way, we not only had to determine whether a given weapons system was something that we were prepared to do, but could they use it effectively? so did they have the training? could they maintain it? was it part of a coherent operational plan? all of those factors went into every decision. but the fact is ukraine is standing. and that was not at all what was expected when putin began this invasion. it's standing. it also has an incredibly bright future as a country that is standing independently, that's increasingly integrated with institutions in europe and the transatlantic community that can fend for itself militarily, economically, democratically. that is the ultimate rebuke to vladimir putin. >> and, you know that putin has no interest, no expressed interest in anything other than total surrender. and to completely obliterate ukraine

as an independent, sovereign nation. that's right. a vassal state. what would the effect of that be on? well, we know what would happen to ukraine, but europe, american leadership? >> well, i think two things are important to keep in mind. first, when it comes, if there is going to be some kind of cease fire, it's essential that that have embedded within it some kind of deterrent to make sure that russia doesn't attack again, because we know what's in putin's mind. putin, if there is a ceasefire, will try to use the time to rest, to refit and to re-attack. so there has to be a strong deterrent in place to make sure that that doesn't happen. there are different ways of doing that, but that's going to be critical. more broadly, you get at what this has always been about. of course it's about ukraine, it's about the ukrainian people, but it's about something much broader. it's about the fact that you, russia, committed an aggression against the very principles that are at the heart of the international system, that are necessary to try to keep the peace, to try to preserve stability, to try to prevent war. the notion that you can't just violate another country's borders by force, that you

can't simply go in and try to take over another country and run its future. and we know that had we not stood up for those principles, had putin been able to violate them with impunity, the message that would have sent to would be aggressors everywhere, well beyond europe, all over the world, would have been crystal clear. >> do you think in the full fading light of this administration, after all that you've done, that you wish that you had done more? for instance, um, the former russian foreign minister said to me in the aftermath of the invasion, all putin understands is strength. the former french president, mild mannered, you know, francois hollande told me that the west is afraid of war. putin is not afraid of war. that's what gives putin his advantage. um, we know that the u.s. government has been intimidated by the saber rattling, the nuclear saber rattling. do you really think that he would have followed through with that? and should you have called his bluff as a massive us and nato force?

>> well, i'll take i'll take objection to one part of your question. the notion that we've been intimidated. we certainly haven't. look at what we've been able to do, not only ourselves, but dozens of other countries that we brought together and that we've kept together in terms of what we provided. ukraine and ukrainians have been willing themselves to carry this fight. president biden has a responsibility that none of us ultimately have. the buck really does stop with the president. and that's to make sure, on the one hand, that we provide all the support that we can for ukraine so that it can effectively defend itself, but also, yes, avoid getting into a direct conflict with a nuclear power. and he's managed, i think, to do both very, very well. we also have a nato alliance that's stronger, that's bigger, that's better resourced than it's ever been. that's the best deterrent to making sure that there's not further aggression coming from putin. he does not want to take on nato. and we've seen that time and time again. >> do you think marco rubio and company, who have expressed, you know, doubts about supporting ukraine and have

actually, you know, prevented aid going there in a timely manner? do you think that they will maintain this alliance that you have rebuilt? i know you can't look into the future, but what do you what's your fear? what's your worry? >> well, yes, of course. my concern is that there will be a move away from what i think is a signal achievement of this administration, which has been to re-energize, to reengage, to rejuvenate, even to reimagine our alliances and partnerships, because we believe fundamentally that we're stronger, we're more effective when we're working with others. um, the fact that we did that is what enabled us to bring so many countries together in defense of ukraine, to make sure that they were picking up the burden, not just the united states. the fact that we did that made that investment in allies and partners. that's why we've been able now to focus everyone in a very similar way on the challenges posed by china. i've, i've had some really good conversations with senator rubio, soon to be secretary rubio, and he's someone who is deeply steeped in these issues.

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hanako montgomery explains this phenomenon from tokyo despite what you see, this is no nursing home. >> it's japan's biggest women's prison i celebrated my 81st birthday in here. >> tochigi women's prison is on the front lines of japan's loneliness epidemic among seniors. 1 in 5 inmates here are elderly. >> you see it in the wrinkled hands, gripping walls. >> hear it in a slow shuffle of walkers. >> and you feel it too. a strange serenity blankets this place. >> security. >> more a formality than a necessity. this is the first and only security checkpoint that we've gone through to enter this prison. inside we see inmate after inmate with gray hair, bent backs. >> i know it's good. >> the 81 year old prisoner

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>> now we have to change that. >> diapers, help them bathe, eat. >> at this point, it feels more like a nursing home than a prison full of convicted criminals. >> this inmate in for drug use tells me she earned her nursing license behind bars. after spending so much time caring for elderly prisoners. we are shown a workshop where guards don't bark orders but help elderly prisoners with their medicine, making sure they don't in silence. but for some, just kning someone is nearby is enough. my son tells me to disappear. he says, i don't care when you die, they kill you. they are very good people in this pris. i am ver thankful that prison i can live regular life every day with no one and nowhere to go. some of japan's elderly are choosing a life crime, as freedom is a cheap price to pay for the chance to

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thk i ne to say goodbye to my csest friends? i think u should do whever you want to do. >> and almodovar joined me from madr to discuss this latest work. it's his first in english. pedro almodovar, welcome to the programyou are such a legend in in this indury andn the ltural world,ou're a t time oar winner. your latest about, is calledhe room next door. it's really quite an amazinfilm. u have two massive 'aboudeath. why did you choose the subject of death? >> yeah, well, everything started when i read the book of sigrid nunez called. >> wt are you going through in the middlofhe of the book. then i found a chapter when there is. >> a character, the character of tilda. rtha, that is ry

sick a. >> and julianne moor chacter,ngrid es to visit her. basically, i made a aptati of this novel. an the wh martha has a meetg with hefriendnd tells r that she deced a ju to make a ehanasia and th that she bo appeato do it and tt she asked her to be living with her in the room xt doo >> want know hoyou're rtality. ut death and >> feel like le a ki like a child. i cannot acceptt. and al, cannotnderstd it. i's true tt withhis vie, i was very close to the ingrid, to ingrid character.

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with so much. you ve her. penelope cruz, a group of women. i don't know the chicas. almodovar, who are so identified with you, with your film, with your work, and wh are so faithl and loyato you and yo sion. 'reallyn incredle grouping. really. how es that figuren your life? >> i tnk i wasery lucky because all of them, they ar cky to work with the best spanish tresse they are more that i didn't work, but i mean, penelope, a, liettaerranomarisa parede eliqu lamprve. ny, many of the tresse i wavery lky andt' you kn, we live our rk like a like a like in theheateri mean, you have compa of theater, a sble company. we

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you something because i think it's related. you kno this film a what you've just gone through, obvious, a ve with dea. many of your other films ve dea with, you know, a lot of very,ery diffict partof the human experience. and yet we alws, alys, alys seeou embloned in color.ou're wearing an incredible sweate right now. your background is brightink. tildawinton was dressed in brit, brit n'we ca't oid commenting out itnd luxiatingn . >> ts is t way tt make moviesith bright colors an and also in this cas i wand not toe dark or or creepy because theecision. to dye is a is a sign of valism. mean, it is ated by maha in a

very vital way. so i wanted to ve thempssion of vitaly in this last period of her lif in the house of the forest, sto reprenthe character of martha, because i tnk really that i mean the person should have the owner of our life oris life or our life, but we also we also have to be the owner of our death. just when, in the ca of martha, when le only offers you an awful pain. so i thk thiss this ia huma nvsationn nest a movin >> andou canatchhe res of my interview with this director on ouweite. up settler movement isn't going away anyme soo from is we's look into my ahive,

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