the trump family? something i noticed today on instagram vogue magazine, which famously did not have melania trump in its pages when she was first lady, despite having many first ladies, republican and democrat over the years posted about donald trump's visit to the tomb of the unknown soldier and did so in a non snarky sort of way. designer oscar de la renta, posting about usha vance dress from yesterday, as well as ivanka trump's coat. a very different approach, it seems. >> oscar de la renta making a big statement this weekend. go ahead ashley. so on monday, we will also be honoring doctor king. and in his honor, i'd like to to really refer to one of my favorite quotes by him. and that is the silence of my friends is the greatest betrayal. and i want to let that hang out there as we go into these next four years, because the concern might

>> in just 13 hours, america will find itself at the beginning of the second donald trump presidency. he'll be sworn in inside the capitol rotunda at noon. here in a very snowy and very cold washington, d.c. although you don't see any snow on my screen, i assure you it's there. it marks one of the most extraordinary political comebacks in u.s. history. and tonight, he's taking a victory lap. trump, speaking at a pre-inauguration rally at the capital one arena and unveiling what's to come on day one. >> by the time the sun sets tomorrow evening, the invasion of our borders will have come to a halt. tomorrow, everybody in this very large arena will be very happy with my decision

on the. j. six hostages. every radical and foolish executive order of the biden administration will be repealed within hours of. when i take the oath of office. somebody said yesterday, sir, don't sign so many in one day. let's do it over a period of weeks. i said, like hell, we're going to do it over weeks. we're going to sign them at the beginning. >> then i will. >> and when he says at the beginning, you probably want to take that statement literally, because one adviser says trump will indeed sign actions within minutes of being sworn in. how many? it could be more than 100. we're told they will include orders on immigration, on energy, pulling back federal die policies and the very shape of government operations. millions of americans will be looking to see if he signs one that will delay the tiktok ban. but tonight, trump is taking credit, of course, for the app's return after it went offline for about a dozen

hours. he is now vowing to take action that will keep it operating in the united states, at least temporarily, to buy some time to work out a deal. i like tiktok, i like it. >> i like it. i had a slightly good experience, wouldn't you say? i said, we need to save tiktok because we're talking about a tremendous who in this audience goes with tiktok? many. yeah, very popular and frankly, we have no choice. we have to save it. >> well, tiktok ceo that probably had music to his ears just now. he was at that victory rally tonight and he will be at the inauguration tomorrow. it's pretty clear that trump is trying to at least signal very clearly that he'll be stepping on the gas on all fronts. he's already claiming credit for the hostage deal that saw three israelis return home today from gaza, and he has his eyes on the war

in ukraine as well, telling us that trump wants a phone call with russian president vladimir putin in the coming days, the goal being to discuss a possible in person meeting in the months ahead, to try to bring an end to that war. of course, much easier said than done. but what is clear is that trump is entering office with the political wind at his back, and he intends to use it. time magazine illustrates it like like this trump in the oval, clearing out biden's desk. well, joining me now, cnn political commentator and former trump campaign adviser david urban, cnn political analyst and white house correspondent for pbs newshour. laura barron-lopez, cnn political commentator and former democratic state representative from south carolina. bakari sellers, and politics reporter for semafor shelby talcott. good to have you all here on this eve of another inauguration. i'll begin with you, david. on this point, trump was promising this is his quote by tomorrow

evening, the invasion of our border will have to come to a halt. and then raids could be obviously underway as early as tuesday. any concerns about overpromising and under-delivering on that timeline? >> no, i think look, laura, i think you'll even see raids tomorrow. i think you'll see raids very, very soon. tom homan has been out and about talking to people. i think the border will, you know, will be sealed tomorrow. there will be literally a new sheriff in town in terms of enforcement of the border. and so i think that will become effective immediately. what i think is going to take a long time is obviously the mass deportations they're talking about. right. there's a million plus 1,000,005 or so adjudicated folks who have been adjudicated and ready to be sent home another 300,000 or so criminal aliens who have been convicted of murder or rape, that have yet to be kind of rounded up. so if they were to just do that, imagine 2 million people, the obama administration did this. they did about 6 million. but over eight years, it took them eight years to do it. so 2 million people is no, it's no mean feat to identify, locate,

detain and expel them from our country. but you'll see that beginning to occur tomorrow. uh. >> 1201 we'll see to that. i don't hear about a lot of coordination with different localities. that would obviously facilitate all you're talking about. but that's just one thing he mentioned, though, bakari. he's talking about energy policy. die policies as well. he mentions getting rid of or job protections for federal workers. if you're a democrat looking at this and you're in office thinking about it, is there a red line for you? obviously, strategically, you don't want to maybe attack everything on minute one, but what is the priority that they should do? >> i mean, i think right now you don't want to have a hair on fire moment for everything donald trump does. i mean, you'll find yourself out there just, you know, chasing every little, uh, executive order or thing that he does or the way that he enunciates this or who he castigates with that. so you want to stay away from that? my fear is that. and i said this earlier this morning, it bears repeating by targeting the city of chicago, for example, he has

a foe which is by no means politically astute enough, or has the deftness to maneuver around someone like donald trump. and i'm saying that in terms of the mayor of chicago, brandon johnson. um, and then you also have a faction of individuals. i know there was, i think, yesterday or day before a big march here in d.c., but, you know, a march without a demand is just getting your steps in. and so i think democrats have to refocus a little bit. and i don't think that there is any reason to have this kind of huge outrage tomorrow. i mean, the leader of the party now is hakeem jeffries. we're gearing up for elections in new jersey and virginia. those are going to be crucial in november. um, you know, building a communications base, electing a good leader. those are things. tomorrow is going to be another day. and for me personally, this is who america voted for. i think in 100 days, from 100 days to 18 months, i'm going to be looking at david urban and being like, well, this is what you asked for.

>> listen, we're going to be celebrating, bakari. we're going to be celebrating a more prosperous, secure america. >> i pray, i pray it is everybody's listen. >> it is as bakari says, it's in democrats interest right to cooperate. president trump did win the popular vote. one electoral college vote. and so if they're going to try to kick down everything he puts up right throw, just say no for the sake of saying no. they're not going to win again in 18 months if they do it strategically, right? if they do it strategically and you know, and pick their battles, then they stand a chance of taking the house back. >> laura, let me ask you, actually, shelby and laura bring it into this because i want to know. i mean, it sounds like there's a strategic, not resignation, but keeping one's powder dry, um, because they're trying to figure out what's the best step forward. but in the meantime, there are people who are in the state department. the washington post is reporting that scores of career diplomats are resigning from state department. now, everything he wants to do globally, it will take the work of a lot of these people, and they're doing so at the at the direction of trump aides. >> the resigning of the trump. yeah, i think that i mean,

because donald trump wants his own people in these agencies as career diplomats, he still wants to get rid of career diplomats. he's made that very clear. i mean, in across his campaign, he has said that he wants his loyalists in there, people who he feels will not combat his agenda. i mean, that's why tomorrow we're going to see him issue what is known as schedule lifts, executive order. it's going to have impact across all of the agencies, not just the state department. now, people who have long time been civil servants. yeah, they're concerned about it because they do feel as though that this could have a negative impact on government in terms of the type of intelligence and just the experience that exists at these different agencies. and during trump's first administration, when he tried to move some more of the federal government jobs outside of d.c., mind you, 80% of federal government jobs are outside of the dmv area. they actually are not inside of the dmv area. but when he did move some of them out, you did see resignations then as well, because the people that were

used to working in and around the dmv were not prepared to move to a state like kansas or to other states, but you could very likely see more of that this time around. >> you know, it's interesting because people are looking at department of justice. shelby, we're thinking about career, career prosecutors who might want to change their positions in some way. but the state department might throw people for a little bit of a loop. but there's also this promise that trump is making that people are going to be very, very happy tomorrow, he says. about january 6th, some of the people who were rioting, teasing his supporters, they'll be very happy with the pardons. what do you know? >> yeah. this has been a really interesting shift for donald trump, because remember, right after the riot, he came out and he denounced it, and then he really didn't like to talk about it for a long time. but there were people on the outside, supporters of the january 6th rioters who slowly advocated for them over the past two years. and that is how donald trump shifted his position. and now we're seeing a lot of support for some of these january 6th rioters who have been convicted. and when i

was out on the campaign trail over the last two years, and i talked to republicans, a lot of them were really serious about that. he's right when he says that people are going to be happy because i talked to supporters. i mean, listen, are there republicans who absolutely are not going to be happy about this? yes. but the maga base as a whole likes this news. >> i think. i think it depends. >> i just would say this i think it depends what it's going to look like. right. the pardons are going to look like. right. you know, you saw jd vance on on one of the shows saying, look, if you beat a police officer, correct, you're not going to get pardoned. you're not going to get pardoned. but the people who were, you know, look, there was an east front story to the capitol and a west front story to the capitol. right. a lot of these folks, the bike rack was moved. the police officer stepped aside. they walked around, took some pictures in the capitol, right they were they became they were prosecuted. right. and they said, and jd said, you shouldn't be treated like, you know, a narco terrorist for that. people who beat police officers should not be part of. >> how will he make that new,

new, nuanced enough, bakari, though? >> i mean, it's just like that. i mean, right now, i mean, he can actually take a page from joe biden's book because right now, joe biden, in the past two weeks, they have been going through pardons and applications. i mean, overnight, i expect some pardons from the president of the united states in the morning. i mean, people act like he's not president anymore. he'll still be president until noon. i expect many more pardons in the morning from joe biden. but basically, you go down and you analyze. i mean, presidents have a wide swath of pardon power, and you can very well look at what somebody's been charged with, look at the underlying facts and put them in one category. and as soon as you see assault or assault on a federal officer or a peace officer or a police officer, then you can you can place those people aside. i think that, you know, if he wants to pardon the j6 rioters, rioters or hostages or village people or whatever, we want to call them people who were tourists, whatever they want to characterize them as, so be it. i mean, that's his prerogative. but if you pardon someone who actually put their hands on a police officer, 140 officers were hurt that day. we

should all, as americans have a line in the sand, whether or not he does it or not. i don't know that. >> of course, pam bondi point there was about 600 rioters that were charged with assault of a police officer. >> so it you know, there's a lot there's a lot of them that were charged with that. so what are the others that are left there? >> there are 1600 charges, right. so 1600 people were charged. so that leaves a thousand. you could pardon presumably tomorrow. pardon the assault part of the math math and part of the narrative has been that prosecutors overcharged or incorrectly charged. >> they have claimed, based on that the wide swath of people. and so i could easily see there being some statements to that effect. i want to just go to look ahead for tomorrow, though, as well. and the theme, we know pardons are coming. we know this is going to be part of the conversation, but also the theme overall of the message. i mean, so we had earlier the tone of his 2017 inaugural address was of american carnage. but then trump, the officials are saying that it will actually be a more upbeat tone this time around. and here's what former trump adviser steve bannon actually said about it

i'm hearing is not i'm hearing this is a very different tone. >> no, you bring the country together, unify the country. >> what do you think of that? >> i think it's a very appropriate for this. i think president trump will go through how we got here, where we're going, what his plan is to lead us into bringing us together. >> i think that what bannon is saying is interesting because at its core, when you look at this election, compared to 2017, the vibes are very different right there. there is a democratic party that doesn't have a clear leader right now. the resistance, so to speak, is sort of deflated. maga supporters, trump supporters are no longer worried about being trump supporters. and so and donald trump has also brought in this interesting coalition that in 2017, you would have never thought that tulsi gabbard and rfk jr. and marco rubio were all going to potentially be working together under the same administration. so, yeah, i think that all of those things

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president-elect trump is taking credit for reviving it for the 177 million americans who use it. trump says he'll sign an executive order to delay the federal ban for 90 days. he wants to find a buyer and possibly nationalize the app. why would he do that? after he tried to ban the app during his first term in office? >> i went on tiktok. can you believe what i'll do to win an election? and we went on tiktok. and republicans have never won the young vote, the youth vote. they win a lot of votes, but they never won the youth vote. we won the youth vote by 36 points. so i like tiktok. >> remember, the ban began over national security concerns, but tiktok has handled this, frankly, in a pretty shrewd way. when the app went dark last night, it posted this message thanking trump. trump for working to find a solution. when tiktok returned today, it

shared messages praising trump for helping keep the app available. this isn't just impacting tiktok. the ban hits any app owned by bytedance that includes the popular video editing platform capcut. that's still down tonight. here to discuss what's next. cnn media analyst and axios senior media reporter sarah fisher. sarah, good to see you. listen, trump said he's going to delay enforcement of the ban for 90 days. so then what happens after that? and if anyone steps up to make an offer and they tell them it's not for sale, then what? >> we're just kicking the can down the road here, laura, because the problem is, selling an app like this requires one approval from china. obviously, tiktok is owned by bytedance, a chinese company, and they've indicated countless times that they do not want to sell this asset to a u.s. company. and then two, even if u.s. buyers were to emerge in really serious ways, we're talking about a lot of money here. it's hard to value the u.s. arm of tiktok, in part because we don't fully understand how it's integrated

with other countries engineering and design teams. but estimates vary anywhere between 20 billion and 100 billion. if you look at the most serious buyer, frank mccourt. he says he's only gotten about $20 million worth of commitments. so essentially, laura, i'm pretty bearish on the idea that we're going to be able to get a buyer, get the approval from china even after these 90 days. and what would happen then? the law would still stand likely, unless donald trump can give continued assurances to the app stores and to the cloud providers like oracle that they're not going to be penalized. i imagine that they're going to go into the same type of situation that they did yesterday, and shutting the app down. >> and by the way, the second it went down, it probably increased their value. kind of like being outside in new york. and it's not raining. and they charge you a dollar for an umbrella. then a raindrop hits. it's $50. all of a sudden now it's down. people missed it. they use it as leverage. trump says he wants a joint venture, by the way, where the u.s. owns 50% of tiktok. is that even

feasible that the u.s. government could partially own tiktok? >> well, i mean, a u.s. company could partially own it. and i should note that bytedance, the parent company, is owned by a lot of u.s. investment companies. there are tons of investors, private companies from all over the world that invest in bytedance. so i don't think that's off the table. but the government co-owning this with a private chinese company. there's absolutely no way that the ccp would allow something like that. and so i just think that this whole idea of trying to kick this down the can puts creators. it puts users in a very tough place, because none of this is a sustainable solution. and by the way, even if donald trump were to kick this down the camp, his whole presidency, the next president could come in and they could reverse his eo. and we're back to a law banning tiktok. >> and of course, these companies and the app providers are trying to figure out whether they'll actually be penalized in the meantime. and trump also, by the way, launched his trump cryptocurrency friday night at one point. speaking of value, it was valued at more than $72

billion, but has now fallen in trading today. how much money is trump making off this and does it raise any potential conflicts of interest. if he's going to promote pro-crypto policies? >> a lot of money, laura. but the good thing to note here is that this is just money on paper. as soon as he were to try to sell his position very similar to what the truth social stock the value of this thing would absolutely crater. this is what we call sort of meme coins. they are based off of the popularity of an idea, but there's no sound financial grounding to make sure that this value stands. but donald trump, this is how he's creating all of his wealth and value these days. it's not from, you know, earnings from profitable businesses. it's from floating through social stock. and now meme coins. on paper, he looks very rich. it's a little different in real life. >> sarah fisher it always is. thank you so much. my panel is back with me along with now david sanger, cnn political and national security analyst, and white house and national security correspondent for the new york times. and one note,

david urban recently consulted for bytedance, but he no longer does. david, let me go to you. sanger trump once tried like sanger. trump once tried to ban this app talking about national security. now there's a proposal for kind of a 50 over 50 deal. what's possible here? >> well, lots of things are possible. but the question is, what problem are we trying to solve for the problem that we're trying to solve is that the algorithm which watches what you're selecting on, on tiktok and then recommends other things to you, including news and so forth, that is written not by tiktok in the united states, but by bytedance, the parent company in china. and china's got rules that say it can never be exported. so in other words, we can't see behind the closed veil here about what's going into the algorithm. now, president trump, president elect trump came out today with

this idea first in a truthsocial post and then at his rally where he says, i know we're going to have a 50 over 50 co-ownership here. it's got all the problems. you just discussed, right? he didn't make it clear whether it would be the government or not. but he did say during the rally and we don't pay a cent for our 50% share, our contribution to this comes from approving this thing to be in the united states. so basically saying to bytedance, without our approval, it's worthless. >> what is likely that bytedance would actually agree to that, though? i mean, that's a heck of a raw deal for them. >> yeah, it's going to seem it's going to seem like it's sort of a gun to their head a bit to go do it. but then the second part comes, which is, okay, so where's the algorithm written? who gets to see how that's done? and the president hasn't spoken to that. so he's told us about the deal. he said we'll make a lot of

money from it. he hasn't addressed the central national security problem. >> let me let me just outline three quick points about this. the first is this started under president trump's first administration. let's not forget that that's where this ball began rolling. and you actually have a bill that passed the united states house. the united states senate was signed into law, and then unanimously solidified by our united states supreme court in executive order whenever it signed tomorrow or whenever cannot usurp that, cannot undo that. and so that's first. the second thing is, which is which is more concerning for a company like oracle, i want to know who's making these decisions. but if there is any liability on the part of bytedance or tiktok for something such as human trafficking or anything else, a democratic attorney general now can sue those companies who are violating the united states law. they open themselves up to a great bit of liability. and if anybody is watching that out there, just call me and we can figure this thing out. and last and last but not least, just just briefly, this is how asinine this is. republicans

and donald trump want to nationalize tiktok, but defund npr and pbs. in what world does that make sense? >> there's a lot to unpack there. so let's start with with the basics. as david said, what problem are you trying to solve for? and the problem is the algorithm really is kind of the secret sauce here. >> and there's i thought it was national security. >> that's the point. >> that's the point. the algorithm national security part. right. so lots of things we could talk about here. you know, we should talk about salt typhoon on this network until, you know, until we can't talk about it anymore. before we talk about tiktok, i think the things that occurred there. but let's just stick to tiktok. the committee on foreign investment in the u.s. has been working on this for now. eight years. there's been a proposal for them in front of them that they've had. they've worked through it. trump administration officials, the biden administration officials, which really brings everything onshore radical transparency, the ways to look at the algorithm right, things that no other company would do

that the tiktok had bent over backwards working with the committee on foreign investment in the u.s. to accomplish so. a lot of those things have been solved for. right? your point about oracle and david knows this well, and maybe some viewers know this as well. oracle is one of the most trusted providers of cloud services and other services to the u.s. government. incredibly complex arrangements with the fbi, nsa, i think the name oracle comes from their first contract project, oracle with the cia, if i'm not mistaken. david. is that correct? yeah. so they are incredibly trusted partner with the u.s. government. they would never put their reputation on on the line if they were doing something that was unseemly or were going to favor the ccp over the united states. you look at the larry ellison and safra catz, who are, you know, the leaders of oracle. they're incredibly patriotic, great individuals. here's the thing. >> never compromise. no, no, there is a so there is a solution. hold on one second. >> my point i want to bring you into this, laura, because i value your opinion on this

topic. especially. there is the nuance he tells you as you're talking about the minutia. then there's the political aspect of it and how this is viewed. >> there's politics of it, right? which is completely different than reality. >> my point and that's true, laura, elon musk, who has been at the right side of the right hand side of trump, is a little perturbed by a lot of this. he is highlighting what he sees as a hypocrisy because tiktok can operate in the united states, but x can't operate in china, given their relationship. and of course, this is a win for trump. obviously, politically, people are happy he's on the stage with them as well. jd vance was not with this relationship potentially jeopardize the ability to have a staying power. if that wind for trump, the staying power of tiktok tiktok. if musk is opposed to this current deal, i mean look like david. >> david may know this better than i do. i mean, i think that clearly elon musk being in the room, having trump's ear could potentially influence him one way or the other. and he is potentially going to have an office in the white house.

that's at least what's expected. so yes, it that could influence him to end up flip flopping again because he was for banning tiktok now isn't for banning tiktok. and he said it out loud, you know, because politically he feels as though tiktok benefits him and that it helped him in the in the last election. and it did. i mean, look, yes, young donald trump was able to reach young voters in a way that democrats were not. and really utilize this new media information ecosystem in a way that the democratic party didn't at all. so it certainly did help. >> the most interesting proposal, and david might agree this would be if the united states just passed the same law that exists in china, that if you want to participate in business in china, you have to have a jv with a chinese company. the truth, the reverse is not true here. so if we went to tencent and alibaba and shen and others, teemu and others, and said if you want to do business in the united states, you need to have a jv here. wow, that'd be a great deal of leverage you'd have over chinese companies.

>> the other piece of this is, as you point out before, china severely restricts american companies that want to go operate. be really interesting to say, yeah, we can work something out for tiktok. and by the way, google's back in china and any chinese citizen, the reverse jv thing can go get this. microsoft would be back in in full. you know, apple could do all of it, not just building the iphone, but actually all the information distribution that goes on an iphone. chinese are not going to go along with this along the way. i find it somewhat remarkable that president trump, who rightly raised all of the national security issues in his first term, did brought up none of those tonight. >> and interestingly, who's going to be just just on this because it's such a big fact, the vice premier of china is going to be at the inauguration tomorrow. historical precedent being set there never occurred in the history of the united states before. it's a big

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in the state that saved his political career. south carolina tomorrow head to the capitol rotunda in the same limo. mind you, as president-elect trump for the inauguration plan to continue the presidential tradition of leaving trump a letter, something trump did four years ago for biden. despite never acknowledging his election loss. but as biden rides off into the proverbial sunset tonight, his ally, congressman jim clyburn, is revealing what the president wishes he had done differently. >> he has only one regret that he expressed to me, and that was the fact that he did not spend enough time on the politics of it. he thought that what he did was the right thing to do, and they were great. but he didn't explain it to the american people often enough and the consequences of that, he he

regrets. >> my panel is back with me. laura, what do you make of that statement? is it an admission of perhaps not having done enough retail politics or something else? >> i think it's a bit of that, but also, you know, i mean, throughout the campaign, even before president biden decided he was going to run again, there were so many democrats that were warning one that the american public didn't know what he had passed. they weren't aware of all the aspects of the infrastructure bill. they weren't aware of the medicare drug price negotiation, which on its own, allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices is incredibly popular. again, those won't take effect until 2026 and 2027. but the american public didn't credit the president for any of that. there was that issue. but then there was also the issue that democrats out in the field and working for different candidates said, was that the messenger of the messenger himself was president biden himself. and i think that, you know, obviously, democrats are going to run through the tape over and over again of whether or not it could have ended up differently if he had not if he

had decided not to run. but there was always an issue with him as the messenger. and that was something that a number of democrats were aware of in 2023 and early 2023. >> south carolina, what do you think? >> no, i think first and foremost, one of the things i realized, i guess the race was november 5th or sixth. i don't know when it was, but the next morning i realized pretty quickly that no democrat was going to win this race. and it's very difficult. we saw this, and you probably are more astute on this than i am, but we saw this in the 70 some odd elections around the world that we saw things like inflation, the rise in prices, migration. but when two thirds to 75% of people say that they were better off four years ago than they were today, you're going to see that shift away from incumbency, which we saw around the world. democrats have a fundamental problem, though, that we haven't been able to shake, and it's going to be that much more difficult this go round, which is that we are not in. congressman clyburn hit the nail on the head. we are not good communicators. we do not articulate the things we've done well. the best example of that is not joe biden. the best example of that is actually one of the greatest political orators we've had in in recent

modern history, which is barack obama. i give you the affordable care act or obamacare. no one knew what was in that. no one knew how powerful it was until republicans tried to take it away from you. that is when we started to hear people talk about keeping your insurance until you're 26 and blah, blah, blah, but no one knew what was in it because democrats failed to go out and do the retail politics to sell that. >> the question is why? if that's the case, why? i've heard communication because it requires us to get out of it, requires us to get out of our ivory towers and go down and shake hands and meet people where they are. >> the reason it's going to be that much more difficult now is because, you know, you have republicans who not only have a fox news juggernaut, but now they also control all the sinclair media. now they also control the washington post in the l.a. times. now they control twitter and social media. ig you see mark zuckerberg kowtowing towards the president of the united states. and so it's going to be much more difficult to actually message because we lost that battle. we thought we were prepared with pod save america and all those guys going up against the the pod

sphere of joe rogan. and we just got demolished. >> how do you see it? >> well, i was going to say for for you to say that the republicans had an advantage in the media. right. and the mainstream media over the past four years is just that's not what i was saying. okay? >> i'm just thinking, no, no, no, no, no. and you can articulate whatever you want to talk about at the past. i'm talking about today, you have jeff bezos stripping the washington because i think people because they're they're selling what people want to buy. >> right. and let's push rewind on, on on president biden, i think when history goes back, you're going to, you know, joe biden ran if you remember the election in in 20, it was a completely different world. biden was running as a is kind of a bridge to the future. i'm a one term president. i'm here. i'm your avuncular uncle. the person you like. joe from scranton. you remember me from the senate. i'm a good guy. everyone likes. i'm going to run moderate, bring our country together, and then i'm going to pass the torch to somebody else. and then as soon as he got in there, something happened. he unzipped the suit and out popped, like the love child of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, right, and governed far left, hard left. america's a center right

country, so alienated tons of people. and then somewhere along the way became non compos mentis. right. and if joe biden would have announced at the beginning, hey, i'm not running for reelection, giving democrats an opportunity to have a kind of a contested primary, get a really good, solid candidate. i think you'd had a different you'd had you'd had a chance. i'm not saying you'd win the election, but you'd have a much better chance and you'd have a much because you have a bench. but now the bench is kind of stagnated and the democrats are wandering in the wilderness looking for a spokesperson. >> david, how do you see it? >> so no one would ever confuse him with being the great communicator out here, obviously, and particularly in the past year to year and a half. at the time, he most needed to be able to advertise the number of jobs that were created, the successes in infrastructure work, the seeds he planted to use the phrase that he used himself the other day, he was the least capable one of being able to go do it. second, he never really gave an explanation about why he was

running for a second term. as david suggested. he was supposed to be a trans transition candidate. he came to believe that he was a transformative president. history might show him as that, but he never explained why it was that he wasn't acting as the bridge. and when he finally had to go do it, it was obviously a bit too late and the party wasn't ready for that moment. >> the blessing of all of this, though, is that the democratic party, contrary to the obituaries that mainstream media are now writing, is not dead. you still have gretchen whitmer, you still have josh shapiro, you still have wes moore. i mean, you have. and we're not even talking about the mayors such as frank scott and little rock or or chokwe lumumba or, uh, randall woodfin or andre dickens. et cetera. et cetera. so i think the i think the future is bright. we just have to be able to see it for the clouds. >> well, we will see everyone. thank you. thank you so much for being here tonight. on the eve of the second inauguration.

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are confirmed to be dead. as part of this long awaited ceasefire deal, israel says 90 palestinian prisoners have been freed so far. they are expected to release nearly 2000 more over these six weeks. what happens beyond then? there are two more phases for the cease fire agreement to be expected. each will require additional negotiations to bring all of the remaining hostages home, and there is no guaranteed end of the war. the region, feeling a sense of trepidation over this very fragile agreement. well, my next guests, mother and niece, were killed on october 7th, 2023. she is also the mother of two children herself. sahar and erez, who were kidnaped on that terrible day and released in november 2023. but their father, her ex-husband ofer kalderon, is one of the many hostages still

held in captivity. hadas calderon joins me now. hadas, thank you so much for joining. i can't help but wonder what you must be feeling watching some of the hostages finally being released. >> yes. it's an amazing moment, really. it's for me. it's like. it's like a miracle. and it's. take me back to to. to that moment that i got back. my children. and it's, you know, it's very complicated because it's like a big, big joy and happiness, but also a lot of fears and worried that it will keep on and that we must remember that we have to bring all of them back, all the all the hostages and and.

>> yeah, including i know your ex-husband, ofer. >> yes. ofer is still there. the father of my children is still there. and. uh, we have to wait, you know, because it will take time. this deal is like. >> a fragile. >> it's a tough. it's a tough deal. i mean, it's good more, you know, it's not perfect. i'm happy with this deal, but it's tough deal. it's tough. it's not easy. we have to wait. and the first, i'm very happy to see yesterday that the hostage is a woman who came back our look okay. and they stand on their feet. yes. and it's give me hope. it's give me hope. and i want to say thank you. thank you trump. because trump make his game

changer. he made it happen. otherwise i think they would still there. and i really, really thank him. and i want him to to make sure. it's a nobody disturbed and nobody. interfered. um, destroy this deal. i mean, we must make sure and i want him to to take care that we get the first kidnap till the last one. all the 97 kidnaps, they must come back to their life, to their children, to their family, to to their freedom. >> hadash. do you know anything about your ex-husband affairs release? do you know if he would be included in a release soon or what his condition is

right now? have you been told anything? >> we know just that he is included in the in the list. okay. you know, he is supposed to get out this level in in probably in a few weeks, but we don't know anything else. we don't have any information or details about him now. for a long time ago. so we just have to keep very strong. our hope. >> you know, i remember, of course i remember when talking to you in the in the joy of knowing your children were home. but i also remember you and i, mother to mother, talked about what it must be like and what the next steps will be. once they came home. do you have any insight into what life might be like for those who have been returned home, but were held for so long? what's the life going to be like for

them? >> listen, you know my children came back after 52 days. these people, this hostage, come after 15 months. it's almost one year and a half underground in the caves. you know, it's really different. they probably going to come back very different person, not healthy. i think. i if i look at my children. uh. they have they still till now, one year after, they still have a lot of fears. a they don't trust anyone. they don't trust the world, you know, they afraid a lot and they, they, they still think they can be kidnaped again. it's not easy. it's going. yeah. it's going to take time. so i don't want even to think about these people who come now after

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