hours with trump ahead of the swear ing in ceremony. the letter he plans to leave behind in the oval office. all right. it is 6:00 a.m. here on east coast. a live look at the white house, which has been illuminated in the last hour, as we have been talking here. this, of course, president biden's last night in that house. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it is wonderful to have you with us. today, donald trump will be inaugurated for the second time. a political resurrection, that because of the frigid weather here in d.c. , will unfold inside the capitol rotunda, a place that, four years ago, was overrun by trump's supporters trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election. those rioters defacing the halls of congress as they looked for lawmakers, including trump's own vice president. >> hang mike pence!

hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> now, four years later, trump will stand in that very same place and, once again, swear to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. all of trump's living predecessors will watch this moment in history, including president biden. the man who defeated trump four years ago as he called him a threat to democracy. the two will ride together from the white house to the capitol. that was trump leaving last time when he denied joe biden that same courtesy, leaving the white house hours before the inauguration, having never acknowledged the validity of biden's victory. four years later, the nation expecting a return to normalcy with a peaceful transfer of power. in washington, donald trump is finding deference, not defiance, as he calls for

sweeping changes across the government and the nation. republicans are ectatic this time about the possibilities for a second trump term. ♪ y-m-c- a fun to stay at the y-m-c- a ♪ >> that was donald trump last night dancing with the village people to his favorite campaign trail song. this morning, "the wall street journal" reporting that in his second inaugural address, president trump will call for a, quote, revolution of common sense and will promise a, quote, thrilling new era of national success. i'm joined now by cnn's own john berman, who is outside of the white house, across the street from lafayette square, on this chilly, shall we say, morning. john berman, what else are we learning about what we plan to hear from the president- elect today, i should say? >> he talks about a revolution in common sense. he talks about a new era of national success, kasie.

yes, we are here in lafayette park, overlooking lafayette park, in 25 degree washington, d.c. the inauguration has been moved indoors. i'm one of two people who will be outdoors at any point today because all the festivities have been inside. behind us is the white house, where biden has been, and i think they will be having tea. we had a revolution so we wouldn't have to drink tea in the morning, ever, but that is going to be a moment. a courtesy that was not offered to joe biden from donald trump last night. biden is offering that courtesy, and it really just feels, in many ways, a loaded moment. >> at the same time, i think joe biden always promised the nation normalcy. there are some promises he didn't make good on and were

punished for that. say with democrats, saying i'm going to be a bridge to the next generation, to this movement forward. he didn't necessarily do that, and i think paid for it politically. but he did always promise the nation that he would try to bring normalcy back with these kinds of moments, right? it's not just the peaceful transfer of power, but about all those little traditions and norms that come with it. it sounds like he plans to continue to perform them today. >> what did he get from that, i ask. he did do that and did deliver that, and for that, he's getting, you know, a one- way ticket ultimately back to delaware. >> it's not just him. remember, during his -- during trump 45, there were so many democrats boycotting the inauguration all together. of the ones that are left, there's something like 30. "politico" reported several of them decided for various reasons they couldn't make it, but it wasn't a formal boycott. others are saying, look, he won fair and square.

i'm going to the inauguration. it is a different vibe all around. >> totally a different vibe, and you can sense it just being in the city. part of it is because so much is moved indoors, and part of it is also, this city has been through this before with donald trump. i think knows what to expect. there are so many more republicans here celebrating and are happy. the one line, and we read it, from the inaugural speech we have, the revolution in common sense, and also in new era of national success, which ties into the meeting or the tea this morning with president biden. i imagine president biden will hear that differently than a lot of other people will. >> right. i mean, trump is taking office with an unemployment rate that is way better than the one he left the country with. he's also taking the reins at a time when the country is not mired in any kind of foreign conflicts. there's a lot that he is inheriting that is in very good shape, so what does he mean by success? will we hear another american carnage style speech where he describes a nation in full decline? how will he take advantage

of this moment? as you're right, i'm sure that'll be difficult for joe biden to hear, who hoped that was a legacy he could build on. >> we'll be back here in the cold momentarily. for the time being, let's go back to the warm. >> stay warm. get a little warm, and we'll be back to you throughout the hour, audie and john. thank you very much. i'm joined by alex thompson, national political correspondent at axios. cnn political commentator and strategist. political commentator bakari sellers. and brandon todd, a political strategist. todd, i want to start with you on the differences between the last, honestly, we can start back in 2017 with that inauguration. we had another one in 2020. neither one of them felt entirely -- the 2017 inauguration was such a surprise, the city was

in shock. democrats were in resistance mode. many republicans, honestly, their heads were spinning. obviously, in 2021, we were just coming off of january 6th. donald trump broke all of the precedents there. he left town without attending joe biden's inauguration. this, although it is going to take place inside, supposed to be a return to relative normalcy. republicans are jubilant. can donald trump deliver on what he's promised snd. >> well, that's a challenge for him. i look beyond the city. it was clogged with hundreds tprotesters, working to make what donald trump said true. there were a lot of americans divided eight years ago and four years ago. the big question is, can regular americans who are strongly on one side or the other of this election come together and root for this president to succeed? i hope they can. >> bakari? >> i think everybody prays for this president to succeed. particularly, if he

does everything he wants to do, that's probably something that won't happen. but when you look at this day compared to -- i actually go back to 2008 when we actually had an inauguration outside of historic proportions that was colder than it is outside today. that was something that kind of mesmerized and took the country by storm. 2016, we had the resistance mixed with the inauguration. today, there is a omplete 180, that most americans are disconnected from the process. most americans are tired of this process. donald trump won this election fair and square, but the result of that is, today, this is probably the third most important thing on people's calendars. i mean, you have ohio state and notre dame probably being number one. then it is king day. people are celebrating that around the country. so you have people, particularly republicans, basking in their victory, and i hope they do. i mean, they had a resounding victory. they won fair and square. but let's not act as if the country is on its hands and knees, waiting to hear what donald trump is going to say

today. >> while i take your point, i was watching the football last night and thinking, man, we're not even doing the highlights from the nfl playoffs tomorrow. we're only going to go this. >> can we talk to a producer about that? >> i almost did. you know what, here we are. but i will say, this did come up on "saturday night live" over the weekend in a surprising moment from a surprising figure. this was dave chappelle and what he had to say, his wishes for the incoming administration. let's watch. >> donald trump, i know you watch the show. [ laughter ] man, remember, whether people voted for you or not, they're all counting on you. >> that's right. >> whether they like you or not, they're all counting on you. the whole world is counting on you. i mean this when i say this, good luck. please, do better next time. please, all of us, do better next time. >> pretty remarkable. >> very remarkable.

you want to talk about a tone shift. think about eight years ago. it was the funereal playing of the song "hallelujah" after donald trump won the first time. now, it's sort of being treated as if a normal republican president is coming into office. that, to me, is what is so striking. eight years ago, i think there was a real sense, you called it head spinning, of are we going to do this? now, especially for republicans, there's really a feeling of, you're darn right we're going to do this. donald trump is different from eight years ago. eight years ago, he was coming into office, not necessarily sure of how to pull the different levers of power. today, you'll hear him say and do things that show he is different and more ready to do big, bold action from the very get- go than he was eight year ago. >> alex thompson, let's take a moment to reflect on the person who is leaving office here, and that is joe biden, who has -- he leaves our -- mj lee reporting -- he leaves

embittered, right? he is at this point where there is all this reflection going on. "the new york times" had this huge story talking about how his advisors protected him, led him to the decision to run again for re- election in april of 2023, at a time and for a man who had basically staked his run in 2020 on this, on preventing donald trump from being in charge of the country again. it was an existential thing for him. now, the reflections on this day when he leaves office, trying to restore the normal trappings of a peaceful transfer of power, as the person who many are holding responsible for the return of donald trump. >> there's a real sense of mourning among a lot of people that worked for joe biden for a long time, given what you just said. some ways, he is a tragic figure. pause i think probably the defining virtue of joe biden is his resiliency. the fact he never gives up. then that ended up becoming a tragic flaw in the end pause because he didn't know when to exit the

stage. the polling had been very, very clear for years, that moment people thought he was too old for a second term. they decided that they were going to gamble and say, no, doesn't matter. we can still win. you know, it was a gamble to run at 80 years old, just given how aging works, how father time works. >> of course, he acknowledged in an interview, exit interview with susan page, that it's possible he may not have actually been able to serve his term. bakari sellers, maureen dowd, who is writing from the left view, her headline is, "trump brings a chill to washington. " she says, the mood in washington is very different this time. instead of a rowdy resistance and a women's march that drew a half a million here, 5 million around the globe, we have republicans who have gotten even more sheep- like and democrats who still seem deflated with no compelling ideas or polls to lead them out of the wilderness. what is the path out of the wilderness? >> i disagree with maureen dowd. i think a lot of people are just resolved to allow the

country to kind of reap the benefit of what they voted for. i think you're going to see democrats focus on two things, which aren't sexy at all, which are the states of virginia and new jersey, right? we have elections to win this year. if donald trump does everything he wants to do, fire all of these civil servants, fire all these bureaucrats, you know where they live? in virginia, right? those are going to have political consequences. so, yeah, we actually have a leader. name is hakeem jeffries. we're not in the wilderness, just kind of wandering around, flummoxed, but a lot of people are tired. the base of the party is extremely tired. you know, when you go to the polls and you continue to be the -- kind of the base of this party, and others don't necessarily come along with you, and you see how they voted, then so be it. today, the irony is today is martin luther king day. you have a man who rose to some level of success, judged not by the content of his character. so i think there is a great deal of irony this that. for me, i'm going to sit back. the first 100 days are

probably going to be cent ly glorious for my good friend over here. one thing republicans haven't done since i've been alive is be able to govern. i don't expect that to change. >> brad, big picture. how does donald trump do what dave chappelle urged him to do there? >> good question. >> how does he strike a balance to govern as a president for all americans? >> well, one of donald trump's skills is that he has a keen tuning fork on how to become popular. it made him a good tv programmer before, a good brander. >> is that why the notification on tiktok right now says, "donald trump brought this app back for you"? sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you. >> that'll fit in, yeah. but if he will focus on the things that broadens his coalition, not what narrows his coalition, it'll work for him. joe biden didn't do that. you know, on joe biden's first day, he did a slew of executive orders that would lead to his downfall. raised energy ces, made a change on transgender

legislation, and did immigration executive orders. he did 11 of them in the first three months that loosened the border. joe biden's policy led to his downfall. donald trump's key is policy to keep his popular. >> i was going to say, there is an inherent tension between what trump's messaging is today, which they said will be a unifying message. a lot of the executive orders trump going to do today are not the unifying message, you know. i don't know if people were really, you know, looking forward to january 6th pardons, or the fact they were going to strip security clearances away, or, you know, have diplomats resign, which is a lot of the other things they're going to do today. so there's a little bit of -- there's a tension between some of the divisive policies. >> also, let's be honest, i mean, i don't know about later today or tomorrow, but i know that republicans now, contrary to how they'd argue the last four years, kind of had their finger on the pulse of the media or kind of thumb on what the media will do, controlling many of the sources of information on social media. you know, "the washington

," l.a. times, fox news, et cetera. you'll have this imagery if the media covers it appropriately, of individuals ripped away from their families. tom homan has already said the way you don't separate families is you ship them all back together. that's going to start tomorrow. you're going to go in and, yes, everybody agrees, particularly around this table, that everyone who committed a crime needs to go, right? but that's not the only thing. when you walk into these homes and have somebody who committed a crime, who is in a mixed status household, there is a 10-year- old child, you're sending them all back to a country they don't know. that image should be plastered across every screen in the country. that is going to say, are you unifying the country or tearing it apart? >> what is done by pen and phone can be undone by pen and phone. you'll see donald trump today do a lot of things joe biden was only able to do through executive power, not by bringing together the legislature. but the challenge for donald trump over the next four years is the same. if he only does things from the white house and does not bring together congress along with

him, including a house that is unbelievably narrowly divided, donald trump's legacy could also just be as easily undone. >> there are only a few things that will be done through congress. republicans don't herd well, and a two- seat majority makes it -- >> sounds like you said they don't govern well. that's what i just said. herd, vern. >> that's what it'll mean in the end if they can't. >> they need to extend the current tax rates, right? if you don't want the taxes to go up, root for donald trump and mike johnson to keep them where they are. i think that'll be the focus of congress starting up. i think for donald trump and the white house, there's a lot of low- hanging fruit with the pen and phone. joe biden did 11 executive orders in the first three months to loosen the border. donald trump can fix that, and he is going to have a lot of public support to do it. >> the first real litmus test for donald trump and this congress, whether or not they lead him astray following dave chappelle's advice, which is a weird segue this morning, is if they affect to condition aid

for the state of california. i think if we see any, any conditions put on aid to the state of california, that is going to be the antithesis of what donald trump asked for. what happened in the palisades, what happened along that coast is democrats, republicans, black, white, other, were all involved in one of the most devastating wildfires we've ever seen. they deserve a leader who will set aside the b.s. and make sure they can get their lives back. >> you're not -- >> i was going to say, especially if he does it after donald trump is expected to go to california later this week. >> correct. >> friday. >> if they play political games -- >> you won't see aid conditions to individuals. remember, gavin newsom was calling a special session to, quote, trump- proof the state. the legislature can't be at war with donald trump's legislation and also ask to be bailed out. >> it's a natural disaster. >> the state of california cannot be at war. >> that's the antithesis of what dave chappelle was talking about. >> i'll say, right now we have this day, a national moment to think about how people are

-- how it may be possible to come together, but what you guys are showing is that we may be just devolving right back into a partisan back and forth, as soon as everyone steps off the stage, right? >> we haven't even talked about notre dame and ohio state. >> go blue. that's all i have to say to that. still ahead, it's not just tiktok. why all of the most powerful executives in l.a. and social media are flocking to see donald trump be sworn in. plus, congressman ryan sim key, who served in the first donald trump administration, will talk about how republicans plan to deliver on energy and border promises. and the president- elect promises to satisfy public curiosity on some of the most high-profile assassinations in our history. >> in the coming days, we are going to make public remaining records relating to the assassinations of president john f. kennedy, his brother, robert kennedy, as well as dr. martin luther king jr. , and other topics of great public interest. it's all going to be released,

uncle sam.

pete g. writes, "my tween wants a new phone. how do i not break the bank?" we got you, pete. xfinity mobile was designed to save you money and gives you access to wifi speeds up to a gig. so you get high speeds for low prices. better than getting low speeds for high prices. right, bruce? -jealous? yeah, look at that. -honestly. someone get a helmet on this guy. xfinity internet customers, get a free unlimited line for a year when you buy one unlimited line.

we are grateful and pleased to have a president who truly understands our platform. >> tiktok's ceo thanking donald trump after a short- lived hiatus for millions of u.s. tiktok users. tech billionaires in donald trump's orbit will be at today's inauguration, watching as trump returns to the oval office.

u.s. users have been welcomed back to tiktok after the app shut down late saturday and people saw the message there in black, that it was unavailable, just before a divester ban law took effect. they came back 12 hours later, after trump said he'd sign an exec utive order to delay enforcement of the ban. wait, don't take that down. let's look, what does that say? "thank you for your patience and support. as a result of president trump's efforts, tiktok is back in the united states. " donald trump touted the return after a pre- inauguration victory rally last night. >> as ofof today, tiktok is back. we went on tiktok, and republicans have never won the young vote, the youth vote. they win a lot of votes but never won the youth vote. we won the youth vote by 36 points. so i like tiktok. said, we need to save tiktok because we're talking

about a tremendous -- who in this audience goes with tiktok, any? yeah, very popular. frankly, we have no choice. we have to save it. >> it is worth noting that cnn examined trump's claims of winning the youth vote. harris won 18 to 39 between 6 and 11 points. kristen soltis anderson, i don't know if you're a tiktok user, yes or no? >> no. >> any tiktok users here? >> i wait three days to watch tiktok show up on instagram. >> i watch tiktok as instagram reels. >> alex, you're in the demo. >> i don't. i don't collaborate with the chinese communist party. >> you don't let your kids use it either. >> no, no tiktok in the house. >> brad, we touched on this earlier, but the idea that millions of people, many whom do not kper interact with politics at all, some who didn't vote,

some who probably did, it's shut off. the message when it comes back on -- i'll say, i have some friends on instagram, where i also am, lamented. one woman said, i don't understand. i couldn't have gotten through my post partum period with my baby without tiktok. you're ripping something away from me. i say that to underscore, that then having them told that donald trump has brought it back, it is a significant political move. >> if this changes your vote, you need re- examine your life. >> okay, dad. >> i think, also, this does point to the place on the venn diagram where donald trump's strengths intersect. he's good at ing what is popular, but a reason for rising in the republican party, he mastered the national interest. ing what the in the u.s. national interest. banning tiktok is in the national security interest, but it is popular in pop culture. it's a box, and i don't know

how to get out of it. >> i think some democrats are frustrated that i've talked to. they felt they went into the election with one hand tied behind their back. joe biden's campaign didn't get on tiktok because there were security concerns. once kamala harris went on the ticket, she joined it, but, obviously, 107 days. the other thing to watch for this is that this isn't over. he can temporarily stop the sale, but this was a law that was passed. >> correct. >> and they're going to have to figure this out. there's already scuffling inside the administration. breitbart targeted national security officials they think are too tiktok friendly. it'll be something to watch. >> tom cotton has been warning object this. >> it is notable. ten years ago, i wrote a book about how republicans were completely screwing up with younger voters. while it is true that, according to the exit polls, donald trump did not win the youth vote, 6 to 11 points is a heck of a lot better than republicans have done in the last two decades. that is noticeable. he clearly knows it. he clearly sees himself as somebody who is going to rebuild this new coalition, bring

young voters in. for him, it's at odds with that message about, i'm going to be the one that's tough on china. as we've talked about before, younger voters view geopolitics different. they're not as worried about the rise of china. they don't think it is important that america be the world leader, and that is manifesting in the debate around tiktok. >> bakari sellers, yes, donald trump did not win the youth vote, but compared to republicans past, he did a hell of a lot better than those people have done. it turns on its head the idea that if you're young, you're liberal. if you're young and not liberal, you have to heart, but if you're older and not conservative, you have no head, the winston churchill quote. this seems like an existential potential problem for democrats. >> i don't know about an existential problem for democrats, but you have to address it, making sure you reinvigorate the base. we lost ground across the board. yeah, if anybody

doesn't acknowledge there is rebuilding and intentionality that needs to go into this, their head is in the sand. tiktok, for me, is a basic lesson in just civics. for example, an executive order cannot usurp law. it was a law passed by the house. it was a law passed by the senate. it was affirmed 9- 0 by this supreme court, which doesn't do anything unanimously. so a pen is not going to do anything else. then the republican party is so ironic. the republican party wants -- last night, he talked about nationalizing tiktok. do you know how absurd it is to nationalize tiktok and defund npr and pbs? this is the new republican party. i think it is part of a larger cultural shift that republicans are undertaking under the veil speech, which is like this anti-intellectualism. i really think they're doing their best with disinformation, misinformation, to dumb down the electorate. you say, look, it's in our national interest. we're going to nationalize and spend resources to bring in

tiktok, under the banner of our american investment, the little investment committee that we have, but we're going to defund npr. that on its face is fundamentally asinine. i want to see a republican come on set and be able to explain to me why you think it is in the best interest for npr and pbs to be defunded, yet you think it is okay for tiktok. >> i'll be glad to have the fight about npr and pbs, will win elections. >> but you -- >> we had four years where the biden administration was pressuring social media companies on what they could allow on their platforms and what they're not. i think the move to tiktok, in some ways, is, in fact, a counter action to that. donald trump knows how dangerous social media companies have become. he knows how adversarial silicon valley has been, how willing it is to ollaborate with the left. >> i'll push back. i heard the mark zuckerberg talking point, about the biden administration pushing back, telling people and dictating what you can put on

your platform. that is not exactly accurate. what the biden administration was doing is saying -- >> they called it disinformation. >> disinformation and misinformation. first of all, it is ruining the fabric of our democracy. but they were also pushing back on anti- semitism, which, if we talk to the adl, the other organizations, it runs rampant on tiktok. >> they left the call for death of america. >> who is they? >> social media companies who are -- >> all right. >> i'm not vouching for them. >> biden didn't try to stop that. he was selective. he wanted the enemies in america off -- >> sorry i have to stop this conversation, but we'll pick it up in a minute. >> tiktok. >> i'm not on. all right. let's go now to the weather which is a huge story today because the arcticarctic gripping our city, washington, d.c. , has forced today's inauguration to take place inside the capitol rotunda. it is only the second time the ceremony has been held indoors since ronald reagan's 1985

inauguration. the temperature then, just 7 degrees. let's get straight to our meteorologist, our weatherman, derek van dam. wow, that is a hat. he is in washington. how cold is it actually? >> okay, so if my hat doesn't speak for itself, my frozen breath will do it for you, right? i mean, it is bitterly cold, just as we predicted. one thing that is unique about this particular day is that we've got this well- documented, historical record of the weather, dating back to 1871. this will go down as one of the coldest inauguration days in american history, but not the coldest. you have to go back to '85 to see the actual mercury in the thermometer to be colder than it is today. many of us in the most recent memory remember obama's inauguration, which was 28 degrees. now, we have the windchill factor that makes it bitterly cold. national weather service issued this cold weather

advisory, warning frostbite and hypothermia will occur on exposed skin, especially if you're exposed to this for long durations of time. that's what donald trump was particularly concerned about, talking about on his post on truth social about the thousands of spectators, the police, the safety personnel trying to keep this event safe. that's why, one of the reasons for moving this indoors. now, the current temperature, what it feels like on your exposed skin is 16 degrees. it is expected to get colder through the course of the morning, because the winds are going to start gusting today between 20 and 30 miles per hour. all the vips and dignitaries are breathing a sigh of relief, they can watch from indoors. >> yeah, except for the ones that no longer will have seats because there are fewer seats inside than there are outside. >> of course. >> derek van dam, thank you very much for that. stay warm, my friend. go inside and warm up a little bit before your next appearance. coming up next here, president biden does plan to keep with tradition as he leaves the white house today and leave

a letter behind for his successor. despite their bitter and deeply personal campaign battle. also ahead, we'll talk to doris kearns goodwin about what she will be listening for in trump's inaugural address today.

we must hold on to hope. we must stay engaged. we must always keep the faith and the better day to come. i'm not going anywhere. >> that was president biden yesterday. at this moment, he is right behind me in the white house right there, waking up there for the last time. donald trump waking up not far behind me, as well, in blair house this morning. then the two of them will have tea. the traditional morning tea. although, i think it should be coffee, given that we did fight a revolution to not have to drink tea when we don't want to. i'm here with audie cornish. >> committed tea drinker, by the way. >> i'm so sorry about the revolution thing in that case. look, the dynamics between president biden and president trump is one of the first things i will be watching today. that human interaction. to see how gracious president biden is, how dr.

jill biden looks during the interaction. it may set the tone for the day. >> in our minds, we're comparing it a bit to the first inauguration for trump, where there were republicans on the stage who clearly didn't want to be there. the sort of antipathy and resistance approach, that's all done. everyone who you're going to see today is sort of like maga involved or at least very committed to the cause. you're going to see this rallying around him. i think that's also why you're going to hear so much about these executive orders. because they are going to flood the zone with everything that he wants in these coming days. >> that's part of the two things i'll be looking for today. i've been -- most inaugurations since -- i guess last time none of us came because of covid and all that, but the speech, the inaugural address, i'll be looking to see how much it reaches out to the 49% or so americans who did not vote for him. and the executive orders you talked about there, we know so much about them now, but how far will it go? the pardons of the january 6th rioters. the degree that he pushes

these things will be very telling. >> yeah, because i think most republicans you hear talking about this idea of a mandate. well, there's also the idea of overreach. most parties do reach that point when they have this kind of big, political victory. you can decide that you want more than the public really wants and that they have committed to. >> inauguration, as we know, is always a celebration, but i think in this inauguration, as in all, it is also a calibration. a calibration of how much momentum you have and how much you'll use the mandate you have over the coming weeks and months, really. >> become an exercise in trying to do it all as quickly as possible. so much of it can evaporate. the question is whether democrats mount an effective opposition to some of what the trump team is going to be doing. that can play a significant role, as well. john berman, audie

cornish, thank you very much. let's take a brief look at what we saw from donald trump. he had a celebratory rally last night ahead of his inaugural address today. >> we're going to stop the invasion of our borders. we're going to reclaim our wealth. we're going to unlock the liquid gold that's right under our feet. >> the border and energy are top priorities as president- elect trump begins his new term. even with republican majorities in both houses of congress, the agenda he set is ambitious. he's pledged a series of executive actions in the early days. what will happen on capitol hill? montana republican congressman ryan zinke is joining us. also the secretary of the interior. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> donald trump has planned all these executive orders. as we've been talking about this morning and as president biden is understanding, what can be done with a pen and a phone

can be undone with a pen and a phone, and what really matters at the end of the day is what you're able to pass through the united states congress. what can you tell us about the incredibly narrow majority you have and how much time you think the trump administration has to get this agenda through congress. >> well, first, you're right, executive order, it can't bypass, can't skirt the law. what an executive order does is give guidance to the cabinet members. this is the plan. this is your part of it. executive orders are important, but they can't skirt law. i think what we're going to see is, obviously, energy is very important. we're going to see border. now, it's going to be a challenge of a promise made should be a promise kept. and keeping the promises on border, on tax, on economic recovery or stimulation or success, those are going to be hard challenges in a very, very narrow, you know, house. >> let's talk about what we're going to expect here out of the gate with what will happen

as the executive orders unfold. do you expect mass deportations to begin today? >> no, but i do expect it to begin. you know, first of all, we're at a cr, continuing resolution. that means fiscally, you really can't move money around. you can't add new programs. deportation effort will take a new program. there is a shortened window because he is going to run out of funding like everyone else. he'll need congress' help to put money into the system so he can do deportation, judges, et cetera, et cetera. >> should the trump administration separate families to execute its mass deportation plan? >> well, the families are part of the problem. i surmise in montana, we'll empower the sheriffs. montana has had a long history of rounding things up. the sheriffs are going to round up. they know who is naughty and nice. the sheriffs are not after the dishwasher. they're after people in the community that are doing harm. the question s when you round them up, where do they

go? you're going to have to have oo deportation in montana, probably a mobile deportation. this is very complicated. and you point out, there's a lot of one- off, two- off, in this case, probably hundreds of thousands of off, what are you going to do with families? what are you doing with kids? what about the unknowns? where are you going to put them, feed them, house them, medical? there's a lot of questions out there. it is going to be expensive. >> what should we do if oneone these naughty people, as you call them, has a child who is a u.s. citizen and they're their main guardian, what should happen to the child? >> there's foster care, a lot of things that need to be worked out in the detail. the devil will be in the detail. certainly, when you have probably an order of 20 million illegal immigrants, how far are we going to take it? i would imagine it'll be a pyramid. we'll go after the criminals, the hardened drug dealers, et cetera, first, and then see where we are. again, it's going to

take funding up front, and i think he probably has a few months before the people go, you know what? we elected you to do this. why isn't it getting done? >> let me ask you about tiktok because we talked about the difference between an executive order and a law. obviously, the law allows for a 90- day period if the sale seems immigrant. this is a law you sloated voted for. you voted to ban tiktok. your colleagues are out there warning today that this app should stay banned. tiktok is back. they're saying that they're back because of donald trump. do you think tiktok should stay legal now in the u.s.? >> well, the problem is, chinese ownership of a platform where they manipulate the message. when you have a chinese company, you have the chinese communist party. so i think the intent of the law was to separate the control of tiktok but leave a platform where people can exchange ideas. president trump, you're right, in the previous segment, was having the youth, the

younger, who primarily uses tiktok, see donald trump as a person who saved the whole system. >> but he is the one who, in 2020, tried to ban it. i mean, if you ask mark warren, the outgoing senate intel chairman, he'll say, i didn't think this was a good idea until donald trump told me it was, and he convinced me. >> yeah, and now it is 2025. so we're here. tiktok is back for a period, but i think the ownership has to be separated. you can't have the chinese government penetrating in american population that deeply. >> all right. congressman ryan zinke, grateful you spent some time with us this morning. >> stay warm. >> enjoy the inauguration. >> it'll be inside today. hope you got a seat. >> thanks. i did. we now know that trump is trying to stoke an optimistic tone in his inaugural today. perhaps in the vain of ronald reagan. i'll speak with historian doris kearns goodwin about how this compares to 1985 and

whether trump can deliver on the laundry list of promises to voters who gave him a second chance. >> we're going to end the biden war on american energy and unleash our energy resources to quickly defeat inflation and achieve the lowest cost of energy and electricity on earth.

today's inauguration of donald trump will be just the second held inside the capitol rotunda, the first since the historic moment ronald reagan was sworn in in 1985. it's moments like that tied to the presidential inauguration that offer a chance for americans and history buffs alike to reflect and recall the times that inspire and, in some cases, even define a presidency. >> and so, my fellow americans, ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country. [ applause ] >> quite a moment. joining us now, perhaps america's most prolific history buff, presidential historian, author of "unfinished love story from the 1960s," doris

kearns goodwin. i'm grateful to have you with us on this historic morning. i'd like to start with, you know, your reflections on the day. just remarkable that donald trump going to take the oath of office for a second time, non- consecutive terms, in the wake of what happened on january 6th, 2021. >> yeah, the comeback is really astonishing when you think about it. it's not just a comeback from a loss. it's not just like cleveland came back non-consecutively. it's not just a comeback from january 6th. but he was facing the possibility of trial, of potentially even going to jail, and the resilience that he's shown in coming back is extraordinary. now, the real question, though, is that would have broken many people. it did not break him. but earnest hemingway said, "everyone is broken by life. but afterwards, some are strong in the broken places. " will he come back with more incriminations about the past or put that beside him and realize he has been given a chance to be president again, to learn

from what didn't go wrong. that's what usually happens during adversity. when presidents experience it, they get wisdom because they acknowledge what went wrong, what could be changed, and how they could be better. so that's what i'm really looking at, not just will he pivot. i think he'll pivot from the last inaugural and not make it as dark, and he'll probably talk about being president of all the people. but then the question is, will he carry that out? when we see him at the arena later, will he go back into campaign mode? what will happen with the executive orders? but it is a chance to reset, and you've just got to hope for the country that he will take that. >> doris, we're learning about the initial sets of his remarks. he is going to call this a revolution of common sense. among, you know, other comments. it seems to contrast with what he said in 2017 when he talked about american carnage. what does that term, revolution of common sense, mean to you in this kind of historical

context? >> incredibly, "common sense" was thomas paine's pamphlet, arguing for separation for britain during the american revolutionary time. i don't know whether he is harkening back to that. i think he is maybe talking about the need for common language to deal with problems that are cultural problems more than any, and how we can talk about it. to that extent, he may have something to be on track with. i think people want to have people talking. when a president is able to talk in a folksy way with language people want him to hear, that's what, interestingly, franklin roosevelt always talked, if he could, in one- syllable words, words people could connect to. there is a feeling of elitism in the society in recent years, academic elitelitism. i don't know if i agree, but there is a sense of, we're talking to people on their

level. >> interesting way to think about it. doris, the last time we saw a president inaugurated indoors, it was, of course, inauguration back in 1985. i want to play for you a little bit of his first inaugural address, which was, of course, back in 1981. let's watch. >> as we renew ourselves in our own land, we will be seen as having greater strength throughout the world. we will be a freedom and beacon of hope for those who do not have freedom. >> an interesting moment as trump comes back into office, in no small part, many ways, because of the republican party he now leads diated the legacy of reagan and america, the role they have on the world stage. it is something that republican voters seem to have said to their leaders. we don't want to do.

how do you think donald trump is going to position america vis-a- vis the rest of the world today? >> i mean, one of the things that reagan understood still was that strength abroad and america being a beacon of hope for other countries was a big part of the heritage that was not an isolationist move. it was observationist. i hope there will be a memory of what happened during world war ii, what was with munich, what happened in the cold war. this is a country being depended upon by many other countries in the world, and the strain of the republican and democratic party worked together for so many years. that'll be an interesting thing to see. what's interesting about reagan, both he and fdr showed confidence and optimism. they had very different ideas about what government should do. government was the solution for fdr. it was the problem for reagan. but they both connected to the american people because they showed that confidence, that optimism, that belief in america, and the belief in what

america's responsibilities could be. that was really an enchanting thing for people to hear. >> doris, how do you feel about the historical significance of president biden riding in the limousine to the inaugural address with president trump, demonstrating that we are going to have a peaceful transfer of power in the wake of an election? something that, of course, was interrupted, a long american tradition that was interrupted in 2020. >> i think it is more important this year than it would have been in the past. we were expecting it ever since 150 years ago with the civil war. it happened one after the other. but, of course, it didn't happen four years ago. i think there was a fear then, and i know i experienced it myself, what if in a divided country, each year we have one of these four- year elections, then people question the legitimacy of it. the other person doesn't go, and there is a sense that we're not really able to accept this fact that we have a divided country. it is going to be close. one side is going to win, and one side is going to lose.

i think when biden was asked, will he go, he said, of course i'm going to go. that's my job, to make that peaceful transition available. i think we'll be looking for what they seem like when they're sitting there over their tea this morning. when they're going up to the capitol in the cars. it's not always been friendly. sometimes it's been frosty. when hoover was there with fdr, they didn't talk much. when eisenhower and truman were together, there was even a cold chill, ven more than that. it'll be good to see you. i suspect face-to-face, they'll look fine this morning. trump will be fine. he won the election. the guy who loses is the one it is hard for. >> he has. doris kearns goodwin, author of "unfinished love story. " good to have you on this historic day. as we count down to the inauguration, buckle up, allies of donald trump likening the agenda of the first 100 days of the presidency to shock and awe.

we're expecting 100 executive orders and actions today. among his agenda items, immigration, energy, and pardons for january 6th convicts. >> you're going to see something tomorrow. you're going to see executive orders that are going to make you extremely happy. lots of them. lots of them. by the time the sunsets tomorrow evening, the invasion of our borders will have come to a halt. tomorrow, everybody in this very large arena will be very happy with my decision on the j- 6 hostages. >> all right. i'm joined again y bakari sellers and kristen soltis anderson. we have a little over a minute here, so i'd like to taketake final thoughts here. bakari, let me start with you. obviously, we heard those campaign style promises he made last night. we are expecting him to take a more sweeping view here when he takes his inaugural address. what are your reflections on

this historic day? >> i think it is an historic day. it is a reflection of where we are as a country. to quote raphael warnock who said this in his sermon yesterday, it is better to be rich and guilty in this country than innocent and poor. i think donald trump today is emblematic of that. there are lessons to be learned for everybody, including democrats. you know, we will continue to look forward, and i wish prayer and peace and success to the 47th president of the united states, donald j. trump. >> kristen, we have 15 seconds. >> donald trump will be judged on the actions and what americans feel from those actions as much as any words he says today. >> that's a really good point to end on here as we watch and wait for donald trump to be inaugurated as the 47th president of the united states. thanks to my panel, to you at home for joining us. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. our special inauguration coverage is going to continue right now and all day long.