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massive changes he says is underway right now. and all the president's billionaires, four of the five richest people in the world, were only a few feet away from trump as he took the oath of office. what does that say about how trump wants to present himself to the country? i'm dana bash. let's go behind the headlines and inside politics. i want to start by getting straight to cnn's alayna treene for what we can expect on donald trump's first full day in office. elena. >> well, dana, currently and you can see that i'm outside the washington cathedral right now where donald trump is indoors alongside vice president jd vance and members of both the first and second families. every single child of donald trump's is in there for this service right now. but then later today, dana, we know that donald trump is expected
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to meet with congressional leaders at the white house, including senator senate majority leader john thune, as well as house speaker mike johnson. later following that meeting, he's expected to meet with other leaders as well from both the house and the senate. i just want to stop there for a second, because that's, of course, very notable. we saw donald trump sign a series of executive orders yesterday, around 200 or more on a number of different issues and promises that he had made throughout his time on the campaign trail. however, now is really the hard part about trying to implement those laws, and congress is going to be so crucial for that. sure, he can sign those different orders, but a lot of them, you know, could get caught up in the court. some of them are going to end up potentially needing congressional approval. and of course, we know that donald trump has a lot that he wants to do as it comes to the budget, to the deficit that congress needs to work with him on. so very important meetings today for donald trump and these congressional leadership at the white house. and then later as well. we did get this preview from press secretary
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karoline leavitt, who laid out that one. she will not be giving her first press briefing today. however, we are expected to hear from donald trump speaking publicly for what she called would be a major immigration or, excuse me, a major infrastructure announcement. so stay tuned for that. dana. >> elena, thank you so much. appreciate your reporting. and just hours into his presidency, donald trump used his powerful pen to make dramatic changes to agencies and policies across the government that affect millions of americans lives. but to anyone who listened to what he said on the campaign trail, in almost every rally, every podcast appearance, every interview, none of this so far should be a surprise. yes, many voters wanted trump back in office because of frustration about the cost of living, but the actions he already took from dealing with undocumented immigrants to energy and the environment regulation federal workers. those were all campaign promises. and donald trump is now following through.
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and that does include a dramatic step to continue his quest to try to erase one of the worst days in u.s. history. and that day was january 6th, 2021. he granted clemency to more than 1200 people charged in that attack on the u.s. capitol, including prisoners who assaulted police officers and threatened to kill lawmakers. and again, i want to say this, and i will continue to say this. it sounds shocking to some, but no one should be shocked because donald trump told us that this is what he was going to do, and he said it over and over again. joining me now to discuss this is a panel of terrific reporters, mark caputo of axios, axios laura barron-lopez of the pbs newshour, cnn's jeff zeleny and npr's ayesha rascoe. jeff, i want to start with you. can you speak to this because you follow donald trump on the
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campaign trail? i mean, we all did. but about what we're seeing now and what it should mean and how people should be feeling about it, particularly if they were paying attention during the campaign. look, if anyone was paying attention, as you said, i mean. >> president trump at the time, former president then president-elect trump talked about that he would free the january 6th hostages. in his words, they were not hostages. they are not hostages. they were defendants in criminal cases. many people who were at the capitol on january 6th, 2021, were not arrested and charged. those who were arrested and charged were adjudicated and found to be guilty. the ones who were and some are serving sentences. he's been talking about this for a long time. what i was struck by last night at the white house as i was watching the president sign these executive orders and answering questions about it. it was at the end of a long day where he started on capitol hill, and then he was at the capital one arena, and he was surrounded by
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law enforcement officers all day long. there were odes to law enforcement officers. he stood on the reviewing stand, and there were the the color guard from law enforcement academies and the various departments. and. butler, pennsylvania, butler, pennsylvania, as well. and then at night, he signed this mass pardon. the issue here is there's always been a question. is he going to delineate between the violent offenders and the nonviolent offenders? it turns out that would have taken actually some work, and he would not have been able to issue those on day one. they would have been able to or had to parse through them. know, a mass, a mass pardon and the clemency. but i think what's most striking were the 14 commutations as well of the proud boys, the oath keepers. these were not the rank and file members. so but he did telegraph it. there's no doubt about it. i want to just start a little bit broad to give some numbers and then get specific. >> so he signed a proclamation pardoning nearly 1270 people
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convicted in the january 6th attack. it covers about 600 people with felony convictions for assaulting police officers or impeding police during the riot. let's just start there. um, back the blue, as you said, he he talks about law enforcement. a lot of law enforcement rank and file voted for him, supported him and what he is doing and what he did with the stroke of a pen was never mind what it meant for democracy, never mind what it meant for his fellow democrats and republicans, fellow republicans, i should say, who serve on capitol hill. their staff. uh, but the people who are trying to protect them. >> well, i think what what we're seeing here is a massive breaking down of norms. and we've talked about this for a long time, but it's really happening at this moment. >> and basically what trump is saying is that the police are important as long as they are protecting my interests, as long as they are protecting
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what i'm doing, if they're trying to protect and allow biden to be elected, that is not as important to me. and i think when you see a breaking down of systems like that, you see people and this is for all sides the right, the left, the middle, whatever you see, people start to take things in their hands. for instance, if jeff was, you know, to be threatening me, saying he's going to come to my house and do something, i would not if you wouldn't. but if you did, and i didn't believe the police could do anything, and i didn't believe that systems would stand up for me, then i may have something at my house to be ready when you come. and that's what happens. you get a for tat and a back and forth, and that is what we are seeing right now. >> and there's no accountability. >> i mean, those people who he pardoned that assaulted police officers, that includes people who beat police officers with flagpoles. you know, this resulted in police officers also later on taking their life due to the trauma. and so there's no accountability for that. now, i was just talking to a former committee staffer on the j six, uh, committee
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that investigated this, who said that they're also concerned that, you know, republicans aren't going to stop here, that donald trump is not going to want republicans to stop here, and he's not going to stop with these pardons that he's going to ask, you know, and that they're going to look to house republicans to investigate the investigation, to investigate the investigators and these people who were pardoned by joe biden, who worked on the committee, are concerned that they that it's not going to end here and that the full rewriting of january 6th is going to continue this revisionist history and that they're going to be called forward to house republicans in congress. >> okay. a couple of things. first of all, stuart rhodes, you mentioned leaders of the oath keepers and the proud boys. stuart rhodes is the leader of the oath keepers. what we're looking at is video of him being released from a maryland prison. prison? he was serving an 18 year sentence for seditious conspiracy and other felony charges. a couple of other examples of very familiar images that are
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seared into most americans minds. jacob chansley we know him as also the qanon shaman. he was inside the capitol. first of all, he came in and you saw him there in that infamous video of him on the floor of the united states senate. he pleaded guilty to felony obstruction. he was sentenced to 41 months and finished serving his prison time. he put out something on social media where he said, i got a pardon, baby. thank you, president trump. now i'm going to buy some mother effing guns. uh, just going to leave it there. i'm going to get back to some more. but mark, as i come to you, you've covered donald trump as we all have. but in particular, you've really kind of been focused on him during the campaign in this era as well. even though i said he's he's keeping his promises. we weren't sure even up to the
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day before. what kind of pardons he was going to give for the people who were responsible for january 6th, whether it would be sweeping. and the answer is largely yes. yeah. >> donald trump in part kind of didn't really know. >> and he was weighing this. >> jd vance went out on national television at one point and said, look, the nonviolent people, okay, that's fine. but the people who accost the police officers, no way. well, that turned out to be not quite accurate in the end. donald trump had, as jeff said, an opportunity to do a lot of work and spend a lot of time to separate out sort of the wheat from the chaff. or he could have just done a big blanket thing, big stroke of the pen. donald trump likes big actions. and in the end, that weighed out over these other considerations. >> and, you know, the whole concept of what this means for and two, a lot of the people who were there that day whose
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lives were at risk, i mentioned the law enforcement. we're going to show something again in a bit. but you have republican senators and lawmakers right now on capitol hill telling our colleagues that they say, thom tillis, for example, republican senator from north carolina says it makes capitol hill less safe. >> i mean, there's no doubt it diminishes what the crime was that occurred yesterday and standing yesterday at the u.s. capitol, looking at the very windows that were bashed in, it really brought to the fore this whitewashing of history. those windows are now repaired. the blood stains are largely gone. but this is still something that, you know, pictures don't lie. we saw it ourselves. we, you know, people around the world saw it. but now what the president did and one of his first official acts with glee is to whitewash all of that. and it is serious, but it is done in the context of so many other things. i think the
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president and the white house are thinking that, you know, people will move on. so the flooding of the zone, i think is and he didn't do this earlier in the day, i think it would have sort of marred or changed the sort of tone of the entire day. he did it. at the very end of the day. >> but we have a lot more to talk about. but i just want to show a couple of those images that are seared into everybody's mind. this one, of course, you are looking at daniel hodges getting stuck in a door. one of those who pleaded guilty to being there and being in part responsible for this is patrick mccoy. he was found guilty on nine charges in 2022, including seven felony charges assaulting metropolitan police officer daniel hodges with a dangerous weapon. well, he is his sentence is now he's now pardoned. one more. scott. fair lamb. he swung at an officer outside the capitol, swung at
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an officer outside the capitol. he was sentenced to three plus years in prison. he, too, was pardoned yesterday after he pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer and obstructing an official proceeding. we're going to go sneak in a quick break. up next, president trump says immigration raids will start as soon as today. the new white house border czar will be here to explain their plans, including some that could be illegal. >> i've got good news and i've got bad news. what do you want first? the bad. the news is newsom even more than ever. >> what's the good news? >> we're doing another season of have i got news for you. >> have i got news for you returns february 15th. >> if i had to start college again from scratch, i probably wouldn't have made it. >> university of phoenix made the process of transferring my credits seamless and simple.
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super man, the christopher reeve story february 2nd on cnn with the stroke of a black sharpie. >> president trump is drastically changing u.s. immigration policy. the crackdown includes declaring a national emergency at the southern border, deploying the military and deporting illegal immigrants, making it more difficult for people to seek asylum, limiting birthright citizenship. and that's just the beginning. cnn's priscilla alvarez is tracking all of these developments. priscilla, what's happening today as these executive actions go into effect? >> well, dana, sources tell me that they are still poring over these executive orders in the various departments that will have to implement these parts of trump's immigration agenda. but we are already seeing some actions come out of all of this. for example, let's start with birthright citizenship. of course, that was an executive
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order that seeks to end it. it cannot be done unilaterally, unilaterally, but rather kicks off the process. now, there's already been legal challenges on that. aclu filing last night, only hours after that executive order was released. and that is the point. sources have been telling me that the part of the strategizing here is the legal fight, and hoping that this lands before the supreme court in due time. now, another one is essentially shutting off asylum at the us-mexico border. there was already restrictions in place, but an option that migrants had was applying through a border app to schedule an appointment at a legal port of entry to try to make that claim. well, that is off the table now. and those appointments, thousands of them that have been made, have now been canceled, which puts the u.s. in this extraordinary position, really not having asylum access along the u.s. southern border at this moment and coming down the pipeline soon. also suspending refugee admissions for a period of time. of course, that would
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affect those refugees who have been in the pipeline who have been approved to travel to the united states, who will no longer be able to do that after the january 27th date when this takes effect. so we are slowly starting to see how these executive orders are kicking in now, still waiting to see the shoring up of pentagon resources at the u.s. southern border. that was the reason behind the national emergency declaration. also waiting to see what the interior enforcement actions look like and how those are targeted over the course of time. and i will also tell you, dana, as we reported last night, that there is personnel moves happening within the department. i was told by sources that for career public servants at the justice department's immigration office were fired yesterday. of course, that is an important office, one that oversees the nation's immigration courts. and the reason we care about those, of course, is because immigration judges decide who stays in the u.s. and who leaves. dana. >> priscilla, we are very lucky to have you to continue to report on these really
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important issues. thank you so much. and just before the show began, i sat down with the new white house border czar, tom homan. tom homan, thank you so much for joining me. i want to ask with something that you said last night that your deportation operation starts today. did it in the oval office only a couple minutes. >> yeah. >> i.s.i.s., i.s.i.s., they're out there enforcing the law today. and of course, as i've said numerous times, they're concentrating on public safety threats that that will be our priority right out of the gate. so ice officers are back to doing their job. >> where where where are these are the actual raids and how is it different from what we saw yesterday or the day before? >> well, look, i wouldn't call them raids or targeted enforcement operations. they know exactly who they're looking for. they know pretty much where they'll find them. so again, these these are well planned operations. they're well investigated. so they got a lot of backup information. when they go out there. the whole team goes out for officer safety concerns. so
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this happens throughout the nation. i mean, i'm not going to tell you a specific locations out of officer safety concerns, but ice is back doing their job effective today. they haven't been able to do it for years. >> well i'm going to follow up on that in one second. but who who is ice going after right now? i know that you and others have said several times that it is the people who pose the biggest public safety threat to americans who would be approached and deported first. is that still the case? >> yes. people in the country are legally they have a criminal conviction that makes them a public safety threat. that's our priority. >> how are you finding them? >> again, these ice officers across the country have have a non-detained docket. they know who these people are, and when they don't show up in court, they fail to leave as ordered by an immigration judge, or they have, you know, ncic information on someone who is arrested for a violent crime
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here that's in the country illegally. they take those leads, they do investigative work, and and do that work. try to find out where these people may be located. and that's that's that's the whole investigative piece they do before they go out and actually make an arrest. >> and so what is happening as we speak is limited to those with criminal records. >> that's a target of this operation. but like i said, many times in places like sanctuary cities where we can't arrest a bad person in the jail, we would like to have access to the jail to arrest the criminal alien and the safety and security of a county jail, which is safer for the community, safer for the officers, safer for the alien. but when you release a public safety threat of a sanctuary jail and won't give us access to them, that means we've got to go to the neighborhood and find them, and we will find them. but when we find him, he may be with others. others that don't have a criminal conviction but are in the country illegally. they will be arrested too, because we're not going to strike. and this is a difference between the last administration and this administration. i.s.i.s. is going to enforce the immigration law. there's nothing in the in the immigration and nationality act says you got to be convicted of
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a serious crime in order to be removed from this country. so there's there's going to be more collateral arrests in sanctuary cities because they forced us to go into the community and find and find the guy we're looking for. >> let me just make sure that i understand what you're saying, because at first you said that the first targets are those with criminal records, but you are also saying that those who are undocumented in the u.s. also who don't have criminal records, people who are working in their communities maybe even have spouses who are american citizens. they could be swept up with ice today as well. >> well, i'm telling you, is when we go find our priority target, which is a criminal alien, if he's with others in the united states illegally, we're going to take enforcement action against them. we're going to enforce the immigration law. >> what happens then? so the ice officers gets. an individual or a set of individuals and apprehends them. what next?
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what do these ice officers do with them? because in some cases, you know this far better than i. they haven't been deported in the past because their country of origin won't take them. >> well, what happens after the arrest? they're taken to an ice office and they're processed and put in detention. while they're in detention, ice officers work on on travel documents. the host country sends travel documents saying, yeah, this is our citizen, this is our national. then we make flight arrangements so they could be in detention from a few days for a few weeks until that their removal was made. made happen. >> what if the host country doesn't want them, as has happened in the recent past, we have various plans. >> we have various plans. other countries are willing to take them. we have third safe country removals. so that's something we're working through. but i think you're going to see less of the recalcitrant countries, countries that won't take their citizens back under this president. this president has vowed that these countries will take him back. so i'll leave that up to the white house. but there will be negotiations with
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those countries who are pushing back on recalcitrant, and they will be removed. >> you know, i think that there is some kind of image that people might have given how much we heard president trump and you in the months during the campaign and certainly during the transition, talking about what's going to happen of of people being rounded up, loaded on busses and dropping them off on the border. is that how you see this happening? >> well, i don't like the analogy of rounding up look again, this is a targeted enforcement operation. the president's been clear on this. we're going to concentrate on public safety threats. but in sanctuary cities where they don't let us take that public safety threat into custody and the safety and security of the jail, we have to go find him. if he's with others in the country illegally, ice will not turn a blind eye to that. ice is going to uphold the oath they took. they're going to enforce the laws enacted by congress and signed by a president, and they're going to do that without apology. i mean, if the sanctuary city forces us in this position, that's exactly what's going to
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happen. >> how many deportations, deportations do you think that you can carry out this year? last year, for example, the biden administration did deport about 270,000 people, which is the most since 2014. i know you said ice has not been doing its job, but there have been a lot of deportation. what deportations? what's going to happen coming up that is not accurate. >> the biden administration is hiding the numbers. if you look at those removal numbers, over 80% were border patrol apprehensions on the board that were immediately removed. they weren't ice removals. if you look at what ice has done in interior of the united states under four years of president biden, they have the lowest numbers removals in the history of the agency. despite a historic illegal crisis on the southern border. so they can they can claim 277, 240,000, whatever removals. that's simply not the fact. and under the trump administration, where there were fewer removals. yes. and why was that? because we secured the border. we weren't releasing millions of people in the united states. they have to go find and remove. so it doesn't matter how many people deported, how many people were
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released in this country, and millions were released into this country by the biden administration that were not released by the trump administration. >> i just want to be clear. i'm not obviously getting these numbers out of thin air. they are coming from the u.s. customs and border protection agency. you're saying that they're giving us false information. >> the numbers are accurate. i'm talking where do those removals come from? and they're not they're not interior ice removals. 80% of those removals are from were arrested by border patrol. so i didn't make the arrest. the border patrol did. and they were removed by ice on the southern border. >> understood. you told my colleague kaitlan collins in december that you didn't know how many people you're going to deport because you didn't know the resources that you would have. how much money do you and i understand that you've been in this job now for a matter of hours, but you've been working on it ahead of time for a long time. do you know how much money you're going to need from congress to carry this out? >> look, i've been working with members of congress, and the whole team has been working on to come up with a number that makes sense. but like i've
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said many times, we're going to use whatever money we have and do the most efficient operation we can. the more money we have, the more we can do. and i think this election proves that the american people support the removals of criminal aliens in this country. so i'm looking for congress to come through and give us the budget we need. >> one of the president's executive orders suspends the u.s. refugee program. and that action could leave about 2000 afghans in limbo who were previously approved to resettle in the u.s., and that includes families of u.s. service members. why shouldn't those people be allowed to come in the u.s. and stay as refugees? >> look, we need to secure the border. we need we need to we need to stop the bleeding. right? we can keep bailing the water out of the boat, but we got to plug those holes. so right now it's all about securing this nation, securing the border. and we'll address that in the coming days. but right now we're going to shut that border down and get ahold of this problem. what's happening on our border is the biggest national security
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vulnerability i've seen in my career. and i've got over 35 years doing this. we need to take action to secure the border. and we're discussing other policies down the road. but right now it's all about securing the border and saving lives. >> so i just want to again, make sure i understand this, because this is all new and very, very important with regard to the afghan refugees, that it was a blanket executive order, but perhaps it could be amended or specific groups of people could be addressed. as you get your arms around this. >> no, the order stands as is. but, you know, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. we know that a lot of these refugees weren't properly vetted. there are things we need to fix that the last administration broke before we allowed the program to continue. so we're on it. we'll be discussing it more in the future. >> okay, so afghan refugees, children in some cases of u.s. service members, they are no longer safe in the united states. >> i want to say they're safe. the united states, the president issued executive order to give us time to get our arms around this massive problem of immigration in united states, massive vetting problem that we got to get our
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hands around. so that's where we're at. >> okay, so they'll be deported or not let in if they're on their way. >> if they're in the country illegally, they have a problem. it's not okay to enter this country illegally if that's what you're talking about. >> but if they were admitted as refugees and now that law changed and they'll be handled by case by case basis. and up next, we're going to talk to the panel here about what we just heard from president trump's border czar. and also democratic efforts to try to block some of what the president is doing. stay with us, kobe. >> the making of a legend premieres saturday at nine on cnn. >> okay, everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. >> ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health and ensure complete with 30g of protein. >> it's really been a gift having mom live with us, but as a nurse, my training told me
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on. >> what the. >> except ben. >> what have we done? >> the joe schmo show premieres tonight at nine on tbs. set your dvr now. >> you just heard it here before the break. i spoke with president trump's border czar about the long promised immigration plans and what he calls operations. other people call raids that are getting started, he said. as we speak, i want to come back to the panel. you have covered. you live in south florida. you've covered these issues for a long time. what was your takeaway? >> my takeaway is, is homan is just sort of the front man for this operation, right? he's the scary guy who goes out there. but by and large, this is a stephen miller operation. and stephen miller is the most powerful unelected man in washington. and he has the ear of the president. he drafted these orders. he's an expert in immigration. he would like to see as little immigration currently as possible and has spent four years, well, eight
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years really studying that issue and drafting policies. so i think unlike last time, they are probably going to see more success. yes, they're going to be met with a lot of problems in the courts. but another thing which you touched on in your interview, that they're going to have a problem with is if you are going to have mass deportations, where do you send people to? and homan just sort of glazed over that, like, oh, other countries will take them. like, really? which ones? they don't have an answer for that. >> and what about the notion of yes? he's continuing to say that they will go after people who they pose. they believe pose a danger to american citizens. but that others who don't, who are, you know, living their lives. yes, they might be undocumented, but they might have jobs and kids or maybe even be kids might get caught up, he said to you when you pushed him and you asked him, he said that if there are other undocumented migrants that are next to or working next to the criminals that we're
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targeting, they will be arrested. >> and the next step is that they would be deported. so regardless of whether or not they, you know, pay taxes or they have american citizen family or they haven't committed any crimes, if they get scooped up, they're going as well. that can lead to the separation of families like you alluded to. so yeah, he's made clear time and time again that no one who is here as an undocumented migrant is off the table, and that they will also deport them. and with trump invoking the alien enemies act, which there's questions about whether or not his invocation is even legal, but him invoking that the lawyers and scholars that i've spoken to said that also gives him the power not just to target undocumented migrants, but to target migrants who are here legally and to potentially detain and deport them. >> look, i mean, i think the reality is like where this ends up happening will also play a role into who's the governor there, who's the mayor there. so we're going to see a confrontation. to your point about the front man, mark, i think that is part of this is by design as well. the
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the inauguration. but they weren't the only billionaires in the bunch. we can't forget apple ceo tim cook, republican donor miriam adelson, media mogul rupert murdoch and openai ceo sam altman, who you can see chatting there with social media stars jake and logan paul. and those are just the billionaires that we have the photos of. my panel is back here, and i want to just put back the picture of the tech ceos. first of all, we talked about this real time, but it's important. well, there's elon musk. but the broader picture there were standing in front or sitting in front of members of donald trump's own cabinet. what does that tell us? >> i mean, i think it tells us that, you know, trump puts these people in a place of honor because he's always wanted to be one of the club. i mean, look, he was always a, you know, a big businessman, but at times he could be seen as, you know, a bit of just a showman and not really the
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great businessman that he sees in his head. and so he's always wanted to be a part of this club. i think that what happens is when you have all of these people gunning for influence, is that you are going to have the fights that come along with that. and there is a question of who is going to hold the most power. you already have some talk that evangelicals are concerned that people like elon musk are getting so much attention. and what about them? and what about their influence? and so i think that's what you're going to have come up in this at this point, with this embrace of the billionaires. >> and yet, yes, it was about being a showman and about the imagery and everything that we're now doing because we have the photos and we had that extraordinary moment. but it's also about policy, and it speaks to what trump said in his inaugural address, which is that he does want to usher in what he calls the golden age of america. and in 2025, that is technology. there's no question that he made promises to help build a
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lot of the technical data infrastructure that is needed in order to keep what they are doing with innovation alive, particularly when it comes to artificial intelligence. >> it's going to be the golden age for a lot of those people in the room, there's no doubt about it. i mean, under that golden dome. i think the fascinating thing about this is the the reason that donald trump won the popular vote, the reason that he had this really remarkable return to power, which he could not have predicted four years ago. certainly, we couldn't have was the this populist strain out there. so the the difference between many of his supporters versus many of the people in the room is stark. he's not running for reelection again. his base is obviously squarely with him. but that is what, to me is so fascinating about this sort of a bookend of his true supporters, many of whom i saw out in the cold yesterday, standing on pennsylvania avenue, waiting to catch a glimpse and and happy to do so. so i just think how that mix works. it's unique to donald trump, but it's going to be a
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fascinating sort of blend here. >> but it's also aspirational. a lot of those people, a lot of his base, like the fact that he's around billionaires and on the money side, yes, there's a golden age. it's also sort of a gilded age. there is sort of a harkening back to that era of our country. but while he was at mar-a-lago and before he was sworn in, donald trump was having meeting after meeting with special interests, corporate interests who were coming to him and basically throwing money at him that he wasn't asking for. i'd reported this earlier. they're on pace to raise about $500 million in his political committees by june. that is a lot of money, especially for a guy who's termed out, and in some cases, he was actually pulling out balance sheets from some companies and saying, you just gave me this much. here's how much you made. where were you? for four years? he was dressing them down and then taking their money. and then from what i'm told, telling them, like, maybe you'll get something, maybe you won't. but essentially you owe this money and tough luck in a way, receiving more direct payments than he ever did through his trump hotel when he was first in office. >> the hotel down on pennsylvania avenue. i mean, none of that is normal. so i think it just has to be said. and it's
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striking that just days after outgoing president biden warned of an oligarchy taking shape in the country. there's that photo that you showed dana, of these tech billionaires potentially on their way to become trillionaires, sitting in front of the cabinet. >> and i do want to quickly show our viewers another really important photo. and that is the ceo of tiktok. you see there in the middle and tulsi gabbard, the president's nominee to direct the nation's national intelligence agencies. >> i mean, that's that's very important because you had trump asked yesterday about tiktok and he said, oh, it's more about the kids. i don't think it's a big national security threat. now, i'm sure that some in congress would disagree with that, but that's going to be one of the big issues, right? like, what does it mean to be in this age of social media and where you have all of this information on your phones that you have chinese companies and others that they can use that information? and how seriously do we take that? and that is
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something that tulsi gabbard, who is, you know, going to have probably a bit of a difficult time getting in that position that she would have to deal with if she gets there. >> thank you all so much for joining me. thanks for your terrific reporting. buckle up. >> indeed. yes. >> thank you for joining inside politics today. cnn news central starts after the break. look out, cause here i come. >> have you always had trouble with your weight? >> same. discover the power of wegovy with wegovy. >> i lost 35 pounds and some lost over 46 pounds. >> and i'm keeping the weight off. >> i'm reducing my risk. >> wegovy is the only weight management medicine proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events such as death, heart attack or stroke in adults with known heart disease and obesity. >> don't use wegovy with semaglutide or glp one medicines or in children under 12. don't take if you or your family had mtc men2 or if allergic to it. tell your provider if you plan to have surgery or a procedure, are breastfeeding, pregnant, or
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