suspect that the trump administration may try and have the same result. china is not interested in ending putin's war in ukraine. >> i do want to ask you what you would advise donald trump to do as he is trying to end this war. what could a deal look like? >> oh, we've seen unofficially elements of a russian, excuse me, of a trump proposal. they demand compromise from the ukrainians, and that compromise includes giving up some territory, at least de facto, and at least a moratorium for 20 years on possible ukrainian membership in nato. and they require compromise from putin. and that includes trump's talked about arming ukraine heavily. once a deal is made to deter future russian aggression, and he's talked about having a demilitarized zone between russian and ukrainian troops to be filled by european soldiers. those two aspects require putin to give

up his aim of taking effective political control of ukraine. the russians have said they're willing to talk. they're willing to negotiate, but they've said they have not changed their objectives and they haven't. putin is going to try to pre negotiate with trump before sitting down to real negotiations. the conditions he does not like. but trump can agree with that because if he does, he's essentially giving ukraine to putin. and he's not doesn't want to do that. that would make trump look like a very weak negotiator. so putin needs to feel american pressure, economic sanctions are important. that's true. but nothing will be as important as demonstrating to the kremlin that we will make it impossible for russia to make further additional gains on the territory of ukraine. >> that is going to be. >> that means aid. that means weapons. >> yeah. hard pill for the president to swallow. judging from some of his past comments, former ambassador herbst, thank you so much for joining us. a new hour of cnn news central starts right now.

>> breaking this morning, the diversity purge. president trump orders all federal di staff placed on leave by 5 p.m. today. end quote. f it. release them all. new reporting inside the president's decision to blanket pardon. all capitol rioters. and the death toll rising as this unprecedented winter storm paralyzes the south. i'm john berman with kate baldwin and sara sidner. this is cnn news center. all right. breaking overnight, a new decree from the new trump white house that has politico asking this morning, did trump just kill dei? diversity, equity and inclusion programs for good? that question, triggered by this late night memo that ordered all federal di staff to be placed on leave

by 5 p.m. today. cnn's alayna treene is outside the white house. elena, you've got some new reporting on all this. what have you learned? >> yes. >> we do. jon. so i learned that actually on monday, just hours after donald trump was sworn into office, we learned that the office of personnel management began calling all of donald trump's, or at least a select few of donald trump's. i should say, acting cabinet secretaries giving them this new guidance and alerting them of the changes that were going to be coming very shortly. regarding all of the employees that fall under that diversity, equity and inclusion kind of umbrella. and they said that that guidance was coming momentarily. now, as you mentioned, we did see that the guidance was released yesterday in a memo from opm, essentially telling these agencies that they had until 5 p.m. today, wednesday, to start, um, informing these different employees in these dei programs that they would be placed on administrative leave effective immediately. now, look, i think

the timing of this, the reason i bring up that this happened on monday when the office began calling all of these different agencies, is because it just shows how much of a priority this is for donald trump. we know that over the past couple years, both he and his allies have really waged a war on what they called the, you know, dei hires, essentially arguing that it is a form of discrimination. but i think it's also important to note that this move by donald trump is really kind of undoing a lot of the work that the former president, joe biden, and advocates of these different dei programs argued was a move to try and correct historical wrongs. and we know as well that joe biden, when he went into office, he very quickly issued executive orders as well, trying to expand who would fall under these dei programs. so just a big change that we're seeing now with donald trump. one of his first priorities, one of the first orders, i should note as well, that he signed moments after being sworn in, him really trying to to kind of set the stage and arguing that all of these different people are

going to be on leave starting today, overnight. >> elena, the president, also taking issue with a washington bishop. what's this about? >> that's right. we saw donald trump post overnight really criticizing the bishop who presided over the service yesterday at the washington national cathedral. one of the final events for donald trump's inauguration. i want to read for you some of what he posted on his truth social website. he wrote, quote, the so-called bishop who spoke at the national prayer service on tuesday morning, was a radical left hardline trump hater. she brought her church into the world of politics in a very ungracious way. it went on to say that she quote, and her church owe the public an apology. now, just to get into some of what bishop buddy actually said during that service, she talked about and she said, well, i'll quote her. she said, in the name of our lord, i ask you to have mercy on the people in our country who are scared. she was talking specifically and referenced

specifically people of the lgbtq community, as well as immigrants and migrants. something we know that the episcopal church, which the washington national cathedral is, welcomes and supports. now, we also had an interview with buddy last night on cnn. she spoke with our own erin burnett. i want you to take a listen to how she framed all of this. >> the people that are frightened in our country, the two groups of people that i mentioned, are our fellow human beings, and that they have been portrayed in all throughout the political campaign, in the harshest of lights that i, i wanted to i wanted to, to counter as gently as i could. >> whatever it wants without putting. >> now, john, part of the reason this is so notable is because, again, this is a tradition for all presidents. the day after their inauguration to participate in this national prayer service. but it also shows as well that donald trump, you know, the the

midnight truth posts criticizing different people. that isn't stopping in his second term, nor that since he has been sworn into office, he is still kind of issuing these criticisms very, very publicly, even as he is president now. john. >> yeah, i doubt there was much of an expectation that that would stop. alayna treene. thank you very much, sarah. >> all right. we've got some new information for you this morning. there are new allegations against president trump's pick for defense secretary. pete hegseth is now accused of being abusive towards an ex-wife. this comes from an affidavit given to the senate armed services committee by hegseth former sister in law, danielle hegseth. in the sworn statement, danielle said hegseth ex-wife samantha feared for her safety at times, adding they had a code word if she needed help to get away from her husband. last hour, kate spoke with democratic senator tim kaine, who is on the senate armed services committee, about this. here's what he said. >> we think this latest

confirmation of erratic and irresponsible behavior by pete hegseth would make him very, very dangerous as the secretary of defense. and we need to get to the bottom of these allegations before we try to rush a confirmation vote. >> hegseth has denied the allegations. samantha hegseth told nbc news there was no physical abuse in her marriage, and attorney for hegseth also is denying the allegations. joining me now, cnn congressional correspondent lauren fox. lauren, what, if any, impact might this have on pete hegseth chances to get confirmed? >> yeah, that's. >> really the question right now, sara, it's important. >> to. >> remember that the senate. >> armed services committee had already voted along party lines to advance hegseth nomination to the floor of the united states senate, and we expect that that vote could happen as soon as at the end of this week or into the weekend, depending on how much work democrats want to do to try to

slow down this process. obviously, they can try to make republicans burn through all of their available time, but after that, there's very little that democrats can do because republicans have a majority with three seats that they could potentially lose here and still get hegseth. through, you know, one person to keep an eye on is senator roger wicker. he is the chairman of this committee. and he said yesterday to our colleague manu raju, i have not reviewed the document. my reaction is that i have grave doubts as to its substance. i think the nomination is going to go forward by thursday. obviously, there are still some senators who have not said whether or not they are backing hegseth even before this affidavit was given over to the senate armed services committee, people like senator lisa murkowski, senator like susan collins, we have not heard from mitch mcconnell and how he would vote now that he is no longer the republican leader. so there are some

question marks here, but is it enough to ultimately doom this nomination? we aren't seeing evidence at this point that this affidavit is making a huge splash on capitol hill and is drastically making people who serve on the senate armed services committee rethink this nomination. obviously, we will keep you posted as we talk to more members in the hours ahead. sarah. >> there have been a lot of allegations, but there has been quite a bit of republican support. lauren fox, thank you so much. appreciate it john. >> all right. with us now, cnn political commentator and former trump white house communications director alyssa farah. griffin, nice to see you. before we talk about the political implications of this, i just want to read one more quote from the new york times on this affidavit. daniel hesketh wrote that on one occasion between 2014 and 2016, mr. hex, second wife, samantha, hid in her closet from pete hegseth because she feared for her personal safety. she also said samantha hegseth had given her a code word shared with her and another person that she would use if she needed help.

again, we'll get to the political implications of of vote counting in a second, and pete hegseth denies this. but you have a secretary of defense accused of this type of thing. what would the impact be within the ranks inside the pentagon? >> so the issue from the outset, with the various allegations against pete hegseth is not just that it would harm his the way. >> he's respected. >> within the pentagon, but it also opens him to exploitation from foreign adversaries. there's a reason that we always want people in national security positions. >> to be of the. >> highest moral character. >> you don't want. >> people who could be prone to blackmail in different forms of exploitation. the one thing i will say on this major break, pumping. his ex-wife denies these allegations, and she has said, you know, to contact her lawyer and says that it's not true. i think in any i think that makes it incredibly hard for the senate to take the weight, even though it's a sworn affidavit, when the victim herself is not willing to come forward and say it. and i'll say this on these confirmation hearings, i think

democrats completely strategically botched this. there was a heavy focus on the sexual assault or sexual assault allegations and his past wrongdoings with his wives, and less on the fact that he's the least qualified candidate to ever be put up for secretary of defense. we've seen from clarence thomas to kavanaugh. these often don't matter in terms of stopping someone's confirmation, whereas their credentials to do the job do. >> just to be clear, samantha hesketh in her statement, she is the ex-wife, said there was no physical abuse in the marriage. it was a specifically worded sort of statement there and she will not say anything else. so we won't get much more from her on that. the new york times, in its reporting on this, suggested there were maybe a half dozen republicans who are curious or hitting pause on this. i will say it was at the commander in chief ball. what was it monday night? and pete said. pete hegseth was greeted like a hero there and was carrying himself like someone who was already confirmed, even though he's not yet. so the political implications. >> the political implications, i think it's very likely he's confirmed. i think you've got to pay attention to lisa murkowski, susan collins, and

then some of the senate armed services committee members. i think tammy duckworth was masterful in just questioning his basic knowledge of the job that he was going to walk into. that is where people are going to find pause. i think oftentimes these allegations feel like he said, she said cases to many people who are in the position of trying to decide, and i think his credentials for the job is going to be the most important. >> so moving forward, beyond pete hegseth, donald trump is doing a lot. the president is doing a lot and flooding the zone every day in a way that makes it hard to cover. in a way, it's an effective political strategy. you do so much. how can people pick and choose what they focus on? and i will say, i want you to calibrate here whether or not he's got the right political combination of looking forward and looking backwards, because there's a lot that's backwards looking. pardoning january 6th people is backwards looking. this executive order. i'm not going to read the whole thing here, but there's an executive order that literally tells government agencies to investigate the last four years

that is backwards looking there. so what do you make of the calibration? >> this is something that advisers always have to get to donald trump on, to not look backward and to be forward looking. but listen, he's taken this shock and awe approach of doing so much that the sheer bandwidth and amount that he is doing is hard to cover everything, because there's a lot that is forward looking, whether it's ending and reforming birthright citizenship, whether it's crackdowns on deportations or efforts to secure the border, there's a lot that's forward looking. but one of donald trump's fatal flaws is his inability to let go of past grievances. he gave what i thought was a strong address in the capitol. but then he goes to emancipation hall and is railing against liz cheney. that's not why the public elected him. they want him to secure the border. they want him to bring down the cost of living. they don't want him pardoning january 6th hostages, as he. >> calls them. on the subject of backwards looking at past grievances, some of the television ratings for the inauguration have come out. fewer people watched than watched. when president biden was inaugurated four years ago, fewer people watched than when donald trump was inaugurated the first time eight years ago.

now, part of this might be, you know, shifting television audiences, but it's a significant drop off there. how do you think president trump feels about that? you've been in the white house for some of these discussions about viewers and ratings and numbers. >> i have a feeling he's going to push back and say the streaming numbers were there, and it was the most watched inauguration in history. but listen, we live in a deeply polarized country. half the country is thrilled that donald trump is back in the white house, and the other is exhausted and didn't want to tune in. and that's what the next four years is going to underscore. >> alyssa farah griffin, great to see you this morning. thank you very much, kate. all right. this morning, bipartisan pushback against donald trump pardoning january 6th defendants. how republicans are grappling with that move today. and a warning from the former u.s. surgeon general. anti-vaccine sentiments on the rise. why, he says vaccine skepticism has a cost that's far greater than many people think. and actor justin baldoni releases a new behind the scenes clip from the set of it ends with us. both he and blake lively now claim it backs up

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leaders overnight says all federal staffers who work on these programs are to be put on administrative leave, effective 5 p.m. today as. here's the quote. the agency takes steps to close and end all daca initiatives. offices and programs. civil rights leaders say they are going to be fighting against this effort. joining us right now is the president of the national urban league, marc morial. thank you for being here. what is your reaction to this move by president trump? >> it was expected, but it's reprehensible. it is nothing but an. effort to repeal. >> the progress that this nation. >> has. >> made over the last 60 years. and it has to be resisted. the executive order is null and void because it seeks to repeal statutory and constitutional values by way of an effective presidential edict. so we'll be gathering today at the national press club to discuss. and

also, i think, to discuss a series of actions we think we need to take 81% of the american people. according to the harris poll, support the notion that private sector companies and the government should hire and be very affirmative in hiring in a way that looks like america. this is about the progress we've made and an effort to repeal that progress. and so don't fall for the false argument that this is about the restoration of merit. what this is really about is saying that only some with merit deserve a chance. what dei is about is giving everyone with merit an opportunity. that's the fundamental value. it's an american value. we'll be fighting for american values. >> marc is the white house said in announcing some of this yesterday. and we saw throughout the presidential election, this is one of the centerpieces of what donald trump ran on, what he promised he would do if he won, and

voters knew this when they voted for him. if gutting dni, removing dni initiatives from the federal government, if that is a promise made. promise kept. what do you do about that now? >> because the president has an obligation to be the president of all americans. he sounded that theme repeatedly. this does not comport with that notion. it isn't just about paying back those who supported you. it's about affirming american values. i'd argue that dni was not a centerpiece of this election. it was about economic issues. it was about border. yes, it was a subtext. yes, it was discussed. but let me just go back to 81% of the american people. so when you challenge the notion that doors should be open, you're challenging the progress that women have made, that people of color have made, that people of gender identity have made over the years to create a stronger and a better america. that's what this is

about, an attack on dni says the work of the last several presidents going all the way back to the 1960s is now for naught. and we have to resist that because it's not consistent. i'd appeal to the new administration to open a dialog with those of us who understand and have worked hard to promote a more inclusive america. the notion that this is about returning merit. i want to squarely say that's what i call a smoke screen and a cover story. what this is about is saying we're no longer going to have protections in the government against discriminatory practices. that's what this is all about. it returns us to a 1950s america. and i would argue that america today is stronger and better because of the foundation laid in the 1960s and the 1970s. towards this progress. so our event this morning is being live streamed

at nelaug. we've got almost 20 leaders who will be in in a roundtable discussion. and it's just the first of many, many. discussions, many strategies, many efforts to really, really suggest and appeal and encourage people to resist these sort of divisive actions. >> you mentioned opening a dialog with the administration. have you will you request a meeting with the president if he invited you into the oval office to have a dialog, would you and your team be there? >> a reem? i am always open to a real dialog. i'm not open to a performative event. i'm not open to being a punching bag for any politician of any party. i've been around too long for that. we are not going to participate in that, but we think that a dialog would be important would be important. but i want to

underscore a meaningful dialog, a meaningful dialog about what's the best interest of the nation. and i want everyone to know republican and democratic members of congress. we're open to a conversation with you. over the years, our efforts to have conversations with republican leaders have fallen on deaf ears. business leaders dialog with us, labor leaders dialog with us, faith leaders dialog with us about this. but we are not just about dialog. we are also going to be prepared to take the necessary actions. and this morning, you'll probably hear about some actions as well as a process to resist. we want to build a coalition of the willing and the passionate, and those who believe in equal economic opportunity. this is what it is all about. and so we have to be part of that narrative, part of that dialog, part of that assertion. look, people in the community, i can tell you based on are

upset. they are angry, they're in a fighting mood. uh, too much work has gone into bringing the nation to where it is to see it wiped out simply because of a single presidential election. >> marc morial, thank you very much for coming on. appreciate your time. john. >> all right. a quote from a new lawsuit. quote, he is not a king. he cannot rewrite the constitution. 22 states now suing the trump administration over the president's move to end birthright citizenship. and this morning, dangerous conditions in the south, after a rare and serious winter storm, tens of millions of people facing brutally cold temperatures as the death toll from the storm is rising. >> jane kobe believed in himself at the youngest possible age. >> it's one of the most remarkable stories in sports history. >> i don't want to be remembered as just a basketball

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they were pardoned. those who took part in violence. cnn's katelyn polantz has more from us, from washington there. caitlin, you're you're standing outside. i understand one of the jails where the where the rioters have been released. can you describe what's been happening in the 36 some odd hours since the pardons happened? >> sarah. >> there had been. >> a vigil here for many months. and then last night was the culmination of people standing outside of the. dc jail, welcoming rioters as they were released, or alleged rioters because the people held at this facility here at the d.c. jail, they often didn't have their cases finished. so some of them weren't eligible for the full pardon from donald trump. so when donald trump pardoned more than a thousand of the rioters, people accused of misdemeanors parading inside the capitol, as well as people convicted of and sentenced to years in prison for things like assaulting police or even seditious conspiracy, those people were able to leave

bureau of prisons facilities across the country very quickly. but here at the jail, this is where people were still having cases ongoing in the court. and so judges needed to sign off as that happened throughout the day. yesterday, people were released gradually and there was a crowd here singing, praying, welcoming them with hugs, talking to them as those people came out. one of the men, a man named jake lang, he had been held in this facility. he was waiting to go to trial, so he hadn't been convicted of january 6th crimes. what he was accused of was going into one of the most violent sections of the capitol riot on the lower west terrace, wearing a gas mask and then having a baseball bat and swinging it at police officers. he was released last night around 8 p.m., just two hours before that was when a judge in the federal court in d.c. dismissed his case at the direction of donald trump's

justice department. that was something that trump wanted to be done. here's what jake lang had to say upon emerging from this detention center. >> into the capitol after this institutional nightmare, this weaponization, these institutions that have crumbled are now being restored. faith and trust and hope are back in america. we are back, baby. we are back, baby. >> now, one of the people outside of the jail here last night when i was here was stewart rhodes, the leader of the oath keepers, who had been released from a federal prison well before his 18 year sentence was complete. his sentence had been commuted by the president here, though this morning, much less of a crowd, not really a crowd much at all, waiting to see if others who may still be held here will be released as well. >> katelyn polantz, thank you so much for your reporting out there. all right. ahead.

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states after a years long and tedious process, have now had their flights canceled. this is according to a state department memo obtained by cnn. another sign of president trump's aggressive crackdown on immigration, an agenda that at least some parts appear to be in line with americans shifting attitudes on the issue. cnn's harry enten has been looking at that for us. he's joining us now. let's start with how americans feel now about people being in the country illegally. this is this might be different from the headline. we were just talking about refugees who have applied and gotten gone through this long process and gotten approved. but talking about undocumented immigrants. >> yeah. >> sometimes i like blunt. >> questions because they. >> sort of get at the underlying. >> feelings that people have. so this is about as blunt a question as you. >> can get. >> deport all immigrants here illegally. i will. >> note the abc. >> news poll asked about. undocumented immigrants. so we have slightly different questions, but these were all taken within the last month. and there's real. >> uniformity here. >> that's what i really think.

you see you see real uniformity. deporting all immigrants who are here illegally. 55% of the new york times, marquette, 64%, cbs news, 57% abc news. with a slightly different question, 56%. so what you're seeing essentially here is a very clear indication that a majority of americans, in fact, when they're asked this blunt question, which i believe gets at the underlying feelings, do, in fact want to deport all immigrants who are here illegally. there's no arguing with these different numbers, because they're all essentially the same across four different pollsters. >> so if they say yes today, ish, how has that changed over time? >> yeah, this is where i think you get very interesting. and so we'll take a look at that. abc news question in particular, because you can really see that there's been a massive shift from when trump was first getting into office eight years ago. right. deport all undocumented immigrants. you go back to 2015. i'm going to come to your side of the screen. it was 42%. hello. go to 2016. it was 36%. look at where we are now. this was taken at the end of last year, 56%. this is 20 points higher

than it was just before trump got off. the first time. so feelings towards immigration in this country, feelings towards undocumented undocumented immigrants and deporting all of them have become considerably more hawkish. and i think that gives donald trump much more leverage to go with the american people and sort of have these hawkish, some might say harsh, um, different rhetoric and also issue based, sort of going after immigrants who are here illegally. and so i think the american people are going to give donald trump the benefit of the doubt to do what he wants to do. at least if you believe these blunt questions, including this one. >> how about immigration levels? >> yeah. okay. so this sort of goes in line with that, right? which is again, trying to get at the underlying feelings. want immigration levels decrease. this includes legal and illegal immigration. look at this. last year, 55%. that is the highest level since the 9/11 aftermath. you go back just to. >> 2010 and this is again legal and illegal. so they want people want less people coming into the country. >> exactly. they want less

people coming into the country. look at that. that's a 14 point rise from 2023. you go back to 2016 when donald trump again was running for president the first time, it was 38%. that's a 17 point rise. so the bottom line is more folks want people who are here illegally deported and their overall feelings towards immigration have become considerably more hawkish since donald trump was first getting in office. kate. >> thank you harry. thank you john. >> all right. this morning, one of the pillars of the president's new immigration policy, his executive order ending birthright citizenship is facing new legal challenges from two dozen democratic led states and cities. with us now is one attorney general. part of that lawsuit? aaron ford from nevada. sir. always good to see you. talk to me about the basis of this lawsuit. >> well. >> good. >> morning, john. it's always great to see you and thank you for having us on to talk me on to talk about this important conversation. the basis is simple. the constitution prohibits what mr. president is attempting to do

here. i just heard your last segment, and i understand that this may be an unpopular topic relative to, uh, immigration being at the forefront of our conversations, but even an uncomfortable, uncomfortable topics or unpopular topics, the rule of law prevails. and what we are looking at here is a president who, within hours of being sworn in as our 47th president, violated the constitution. and i said early on that to the victor goes the spoils. he has every right to implement his own immigration policies, but he must do so lawfully. and when he does not, i will defeat him in court. and that's what we're doing. >> so let's read from the constitution right now. the 14th amendment, the beginning of it. all persons born or naturalized in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the united states and of the states wherein they reside. that is the basis of birthright citizenship. if you're born here, you are a citizen has been the interpretation since the 14th amendment. what donald trump and the current white house

says is the words subject to the jurisdiction thereof creates a gray area for people, they say, who are here illegally because they are not subject to the jurisdiction. they say, of the united states, since they are here illegally. what do you say to that? >> well, first off, let let's back up and talk about the the genesis of the conversation. the last time an american was denied birthright citizenship was the dred scott case. it was a dreadful decision wherein, um, african descendants were told that whether they were free or whether they were enslaved, they could never be citizens of the united states, born here or otherwise. and that was what led to the the overturning of that decision in the 14th amendment and subsequently thereafter, we saw a case in the wong kim ark case where the supreme court confirmed that children born to immigrant parents on our soil were also to be given americanized american status. and so what we're looking at

here, again, is an effort to undo the constitutional edicts of of that control our country by an executive order. he cannot do that. and what i will say is this the and subject thereto, i find it ironic that he he says, that these children are are not subject thereto when he certainly wants to subject them to the criminal processes of our country. it makes no sense, no logical sense whatsoever. and the last thing i'll say on this particular issue is, in fact, this has been typically applied to the children of diplomats because they are indeed not subject to the laws here. they are subject to the laws of their of their home, of their home countries, with their parents and or their citizenship being directed toward where they where it is that they are representing. >> i will say, the preponderance of scholarship over the last 100 plus years has been in line with what you're saying, that birthright citizenship is enshrined in the constitution. but there have been some people who have tried to find some holes in the reasoning. you referenced the

the 1898 supreme court case, u.s. versus wong kim ark. and there are those who suggest that the children of the chinese immigrants, the parents themselves. and again, immigration was different in the 1890s, but had some kind of quasi legal status here. so they weren't here technically, legally. so that could be a way in, i guess i'm asking, do you have any fears that as this moves up the court chain, that there could be a court, a federal court at some level, maybe the supreme court sympathetic with this white house? >> well, look, let's be clear. you're right that there were different immigration laws in the 1890s. uh, these chinese immigrants were were lawfully discriminated against in our naturalization process. and that's why these parents did not have lawful status. uh, back to dred scott. uh, our country did have a different perception of what american meant. the enslaved were not to be considered, uh, americans. and so their children were not americans. there's no question. there's always been a discriminatory argument that can be made to deprive folks of

birthright citizenship. and what we will not do is allow that or countenance that in our courts. you are correct that there have been these arguments put out there, and there is indeed a concern that many would have that this supreme court would, would would align itself with that more extreme view. but i remain confident in our judicial system. i remain confident in our courts. and i do believe that regardless of whether this lawsuit is brought, we're going to prevail because the constitution and the rule of law still prevail even in the face of an individual who is filing unlawful and unconstitutional executive orders. >> a lot of legal ground to cover by february 19th, which is when this executive order is set to take effect. i am sure you will be busy. aaron ford, great to see you. thank you very much, sir. >> all right. ahead, a warning from trump's former surgeon general. vaccines must be part of trump's pledge to make america healthy again. he joins us live on the hidden cost of anti-vaccine sentiment.

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there is no vaccine that is safe and effective. so do you think that president trump will actually heed your warning and listen to what you have said? >> well. >> let me. >> be clear. >> countries that. >> have higher. >> vaccination rates. >> have higher life expectancies. >> and vice versa. >> that's inarguable when you look. >> at norway. >> when you look at sweden, when you. >> look at. >> singapore. >> and if. >> you don't believe. >> me, you can. >> go to grok, which i did this morning. >> grok is like elon musk designed. and promoted search engine. >> and if you. >> ask grok, are vaccines safe and effective? >> it literally says. >> quote, childhood. vaccines have been overwhelmingly shown to be highly safe and effective. >> but you mentioned my op ed. >> i just want. >> to. >> highlight we're seeing an alarming. >> decline in. >> childhood vaccination. >> rates in. >> my home. >> state of indiana, 42%. >> of three year olds. >> are not up. >> to. >> date on. >> recommended vaccines. in idaho. >> we see. >> mmr vaccinations when people are entering kindergarten. >> down to 80%.

>> that is. dangerously low levels of. >> vaccination and what. >> our leaders say. >> and do. >> matter if they preach. >> hesitancy in advance. >> policies that. >> have been shown to. >> decrease vaccination rates, like increasing personal exemptions, which is what they did in idaho. >> then we. >> reap what we sow, and this has a personal. >> cost, but it also has a societal one. increased health. >> care and public health expenditures. >> increased national. >> security concerns. as i laid out in my op ed. >> can you give me sort of an example of what those security concerns would be and the hidden cost to families, if they have a child who isn't vaccinated and ends up contracting something like the measles? >> well, that's a great question. and one of the things i highlight in my op ed. >> is during. >> the pandemic, i was at an indo-pacific defense chiefs conference where. our allies. >> were literally saying. >> we are not going to let american soldiers into our into our nations because. >> of fear. >> of them transmitting covid. it was at the time when we had incredibly high covid

transmission rates. we run the risk of them saying, we're not going to let a submarine or an aircraft carrier land here because of because. >> of your. >> risk of transmitting measles to our country. and we also know. >> historically, there have been. >> multiple times. >> in history. >> when infectious diseases, when vaccine preventable diseases. >> have been the. >> difference between. >> winning and. >> losing battles and wars. george washington, for goodness sake, actually was one of the first people to promote the smallpox vaccine. so i want people to think about the fact that, yes, we need to respect personal autonomy, but whether it's seat belts or whether we're talking about washing your hands in restaurants or whether we're talking about vaccines, there's always going to be trade offs. and we have to understand the. >> broader societal implications. >> and you said national security, but the toll on hospitals of chasing down vaccine preventable diseases and outbreaks. a single measles. case can cost tens of thousands. >> of. >> dollars in terms of outbreak investigation, in terms of time of public health officials and

for the individual, it can cause weeks of missed school. people are rightly upset about missed school during the pandemic because of a covid precautions, but we don't seem to care as much about people missing school for measles or mumps or pertussis. >> i do want to just insert here that trump has vowed to reinstate troops. you talk about the potential security risks, but he's vowed to reinstate troops who refused to get the covid vaccine back when covid was was rampant, and give them back pay. i do want to ask you lastly this. trump has said in an executive order that he is getting out and taking america out of the world health organization. a public health law professor at georgetown university said this about the withdrawal, saying this is the most momentous of all of the executive orders and it could be sowing the seeds for the next pandemic. do you agree? >> well, one. >> thing i absolutely think that we need to remember is that infectious diseases do not respect borders. so we need to

have some sort of cooperation set up. i understand the frustration of the president and many others going back to the pandemic, based on the lack of information sharing from china. this is what this this relates back to. i also understand the president saying we want other countries to share more of the financial burden of supporting organizations like nato, like w.h.o. that said, we can't be a safe united states if diseases are spreading in the rest of the world, and we don't know about it. we can't be a safe united states if we aren't actively involved in keeping ebola outbreaks contained in africa and not letting them come to the united states. so if we're going to pull out of w.h.o., the question i have for the administration is what comes next and how are we going to keep our country safe and maintain our national security without that, that that international cooperation that who facilitates? >> doctor jerome adams, i appreciate your time and thank you for talking me through what is a real concern for for a lot

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