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fizzy juice. >> from the big house to the white house, sources telling cnn that president trump is considering a white house visit. for some of those who stormed the capitol four years ago on january 6th. plus, the trump administration showing the door to government dei staffers shutting down programs and initiatives, and making good on a controversial campaign promise. >> and a school shooting in nashville. at least two students are wounded after that shooting, which began in the cafeteria. we are following these major developing stories for you and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news center.
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>> we are grateful that you're sharing part of your afternoon with us. i'm boris sanchez, alongside erica hill in for brianna keilar today in washington. great to have you here. >> it's nice to be with you. >> yeah, it's been a busy few days for the second trump administration. the president moving quickly to transform the federal government. and right now, dea is on the chopping block. employees who work in diversity, equity and inclusion roles have just three hours left to vacate their offices. they've been put on administrative leave as part of trump's broader effort to scrap diversity initiatives altogether from federal agencies. >> meantime, as trump is facing backlash for pardoning those convicted in the january 6th attack on the capitol, we're now hearing trump administration officials are actually considering inviting some of those rioters to the white house. cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny is live with more for us now. so i guess this goes from storming the capitol to now, a potential presidential meet and greet. what more do we know about these plans? >> erica, that certainly is possible. i mean, on day three of this administration, it is
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pretty remarkable the degree to which the january 6th matter is hanging over this new administration. of course, the president has been non-apologetic about about issuing the mass pardons, and there has been a discussion, of course, of having some of the january 6th, the convicts up on capitol hill, the congresswoman lauren boebert, just told our manu raju a short time ago she would be happy to give them a tour of the white house. and there is discussion we are told about potentially having some of them here at the white house. these are just discussions right now. it's unclear exactly what will transpire or how much the white house will want the focus to be on that, because they do really want to be, in some respects, talking about a variety of different things. and at this hour, we are told that the president is meeting with three republican lawmakers. and this is a very interesting meeting, because these three republican lawmakers are the only three in the country who won in districts that kamala harris also won. there used to be split districts across the country. now, only 16, but
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three of them are republican districts. and just a few moments ago, congressman don bacon and two others walked through the white house briefing room. and congressman bacon, we caught up with him. he had this to say. >> i haven't been in the white house in the west wing, west wing in four years, so it's good to be back. >> so look, this is part of the beginning of this new administration inviting lawmakers up. but again, these three moderate republican lawmakers who won in democratic districts, there also are needed for the trump agenda. and these lawmakers are among those who have had deep concerns about this mass pardon. so it's unclear if that will come up during this. but look, this is just one of the many things hanging over this administration in the raft of executive orders. there are so many of them that have gone through the january 6th ones, without a doubt, are certainly weighing heavy. >> and jeff, talk to us about the action concerning dea staffers across all federal agencies. they've been placed on leave as of 5 p.m. today.
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>> and this is also the consequences of one of those executive actions that we saw signed in in the opening hours of the new administration. this is on dea diversity, equity and inclusion. the offices across the federal government, by 5 p.m., as you said, boris, they are on paid leave. and as soon as next friday they may be dismissed. and this also is coming, as all of dea related diversity related issues at the at the federal government are going to be a disband. now, this is something that the president talked about a lot. of course, there are many federal protections for many employees here, so we will see how this plays out. but it certainly is something the white house has wanted to encourage and and get credit for, and also urge the private sector to rein in some of their dei efforts as well. it's been one of the many divisive things that this president campaigned on, and now he's addressing. >> jeff zeleny appreciate it. thank you jeff. joining us now to discuss stephanie creary.
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she's an assistant professor of management at the university of pennsylvania's wharton school and former kentucky attorney general daniel cameron, who's the ceo of the nonprofit organization. the 1792 exchange. it's nice to see both of you today. there has been a lot of pushback. i don't have to tell either one of you against dei efforts. um, there's been some pushback that this is actually not leading to people getting the jobs who deserve them. stephanie, when you look at that, and especially what you see in your role at wharton, does it actually lead to less productivity? does it lead to issues in the workplace to have a more inclusive workforce? >> yeah. well, thank you for having me on. and let me start by saying that making any changes as large scale as this to dei practices by getting rid of staffers and dei leaders and dei offices all together, it doesn't just hurt black people, women or historically marginalized groups, which is what most people believe. in fact, most people believe that dei practices are firmly about who gets in the door. most dei practices, by and
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large, are about what happens to people once they are already in the door. so what are the implications, then, for those of us who have jobs? and so let me give you an example, because again, most people don't understand what dei practices are and aren't focused on what is exactly happening. when we are getting rid of them. so most of us are evaluated on a regular basis for our performance and our direct supervisors or managers are the people who determine what our performance ratings are. but research and my work with companies shows two things. first, managers often rely on their gut instinct and not universally agreed upon criteria in order to assess performance. and second, no. two managers often assess people using the same criteria. dei practices were holding managers and organizations accountable for one using the same criteria, and two creating calibrations processes so that managers are using the same scales in the same way to evaluate performance. so that's an example of when we get rid of dei leaders, staffers, employees and offices. we get rid of the accountability mechanisms that are ensuring fairness for all of us.
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>> daniel, do you think trump made the right decision? >> boris, thank you guys for having me on. i wholeheartedly believe that he made the right decision. in many ways. the federal government now becomes the gold standard, if you will, for hiring practices. moving away from diversity, equity and inclusion to merit, excellence and intelligence or integrity. and the fact of the matter is, is that you can hold people accountable and be good employers without basing it on quotas. for instance, in my work at 1792, we promote and encourage people to utilize key performance indicators. that has nothing to do with your race or what you look like. it has everything to do with your merit and ability to get a job done, and i'm excited to see this in the federal government. look, we if we take a step back, what this in large part is about is making the federal government leaner. president trump came in talking about he wanted to make us safer, secure and more prosperous. having a
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diversity, equity and inclusion department doesn't secure our southern border. it doesn't make us safer. so this is in many ways a reflection of an administration and a president who campaigned on the idea that he wanted to move us to merit excellence and intelligence and wanted to make us safer, secure and more prosperous. and on now, in the first couple of days, he is making that commitment clear, and i'm excited to see it. >> so we obviously have two very differing views on on dei. stephanie, i wonder how you respond to daniel's view of things. >> yeah, well, i've spent the past 20 years actually studying what companies do across various sectors in different industries and hiring practices is one small piece of what constitutes dei practices. in fact, it's the one that is getting mentioned most often by people who are a bit confused about what it is that organizations are trying to do. but by and large, most of what
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falls under the auspices of dei practices and organizations is about the environment. for people who work in an organization. it's about fairness in promotion, evaluation, compensation practices. it's about an environment that rewards people fairly based on their merit and based on the work that they put in, only focusing on what happens at the hiring level, focusing arbitrarily on quotas that often don't exist in many organizations, is taking the attention off of what the implications are for you and i, and for other people who are fully employed in these organizations whose dei practices are at risk. >> daniel, is there some misunderstanding of of of what dei actually actually encompasses? >> well, look, i appreciate professor creary being on with her today. the fact of the matter is, is that we have seen now over ten companies and some iconic brands, if you will make a decision to wind down their dei practices, whether it's walmart or mcdonald's. and
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look, some of this is changing because the legal landscape has changed. there was a case in front of the supreme court last year, the fair admissions case, in which they struck down race, race conscious decisions in admissions related to to students. a lot of people, myself included, argue that that potentially could be, uh, applied to the private sector. in fact, mcdonald's, when they made a judgment to wind down their dei practices, mentioned that case. again, this does not have anything to do. we all agree, at the end of the day, that we need to have a a colorblind society. and i think employers recognize that they can do that without ultimately making a judgment that it has to largely come down to quotas or looking at someone's skin color. again, merit, excellence and intelligence is the way to go. the trump administration has made that clear, and i think a lot of organizations and
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corporations are making that judgment as well, seeing that a lot of them are making the decision to move away from dei. >> this is one of those conversations. i wish we had an hour for, uh, daniel cameron, stephanie kruger unfortunately, we have to leave it there, but we look forward to having you both on for further discussion in the future. thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. so president trump today sat for his first oval office interview since returning to the white house. and the interview is with fox news host sean hannity, set to air later tonight. according to the network, the focus was the president's new executive orders and what to expect from his first 100 days in office. >> fox news also reporting that president trump did reveal some more details about the letter former president biden left for him and the resolute desk. trump saying that biden wished him, quote, all the best for the next four years. joining us now is susan page, former president of the white house correspondents association. so when we look at this, it is perhaps not a surprise to anyone that donald trump chose to sit down first with sean hannity. we're supposed to learn more about these executive orders. do you
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think there will be any other surprises in this interview? >> yes. i think if you talk to to donald trump for any extended period of time, you're likely to get some surprises. and, you know, this is his first interview, but he did a 45 minute news conference as he signed executive orders, taking questions from the press pool. so i think this is encouraging. that's one of the things we expect presidents to do, which is to do interviews, answer questions from the reporters who cover them. >> susan, as erica mentioned, you're the former head of the white house correspondents association. trump has promised to shake up the press room. there have been calls to bring in podcasters to take out traditional media outlets. what kind of power, what kind of influence do these news organizations have to keep their place in the briefing room and prevent certain propaganda networks, perhaps from being elevated? >> well, there's tradition. the tradition is that the white house correspondents association designates who gets those seats in the white house briefing room, but it's not a
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law. and so it's going to be, i think, a matter of discussion with this new administration. you know, a lot of the things that protect press access to the president are the result of tradition and the way things have always been done. that doesn't mean that's the way it always has to be done. and that is something that we should all be watching pretty closely. >> it's also and part of that would be, i mean, they issue the credentials, right? the white house does. so is there a concern that some of these more well-known news organizations will not get the credentials that they've traditionally had? >> you know, it's possible. there are the traditions like the the white house hard pass for press generally requires you to get a credential from the standing committee of correspondents on the hill. that's been a safeguard to make sure that it's legitimate journalists who are getting those hard passes, but that isn't written into law either. so as we've been seeing with other areas, with immigration law, with the interpretation of the 14th amendment to the constitution and other fronts, these are things that could be
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endangered or subject to some change with this new administration. >> i'm curious, susan, what you think about how news organizations should approach a second trump administration, seeing as how he has proven to be quite savvy in kind of guiding the discourse? >> you know, i think we should have learned some lessons from the first trump administration, which was disruptive for us, as it was for the whole system. and one of the things one of the lessons i think we've taken at usa today is let's not focus on shiny objects, on the most provocative tweet, let's focus on the policies that affect our readers where they live. and that's what we're going to try to do. >> yeah, and it can be tough sometimes, right. because we know that the goal sometimes is to really flood the zone with information, to be able to pick that out. >> and also, you cannot ignore when a president makes a very provocative statement, even if you want to. >> it's true. yeah. susan. appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> still to come on news central. sources telling cnn that president trump is considering this white house visit for supporters who stormed the capitol on january 6th. we're going to have a republican congressman on to
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pardons and commutations for more than 1200 capitol rioters, including those who assaulted police officers. now we're learning the justice department has been notifying some of those officers who testified at trial that the rioters they helped to convict are being released. former capitol officer staff sergeant aquilino gonell posted these notifications saying that each call or text you see on your screen reflects one of the multiple attackers who assaulted him that day. let's discuss with someone who was there who helped defend the capitol on january 6th. republican congressman dan meuser of pennsylvania. sir, thank you so much for being with us. we talked about the potential for pardons for january 6th, rioters back in june of last year. and you told me that you looked in people's eyes who wanted to do nothing but create chaos and cause harm. do you think it would be a mistake for the president to invite those people to the white house? >> hey, boris, i'm no more than 30ft away from exactly
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where where that occurred. and yes, they were there to do nothing but cause mayhem. and listen, there's no question anybody who assaults a police officer is. i'm disgusted with is is a disgrace. okay, very, very wrong. but let's face it, those who have done who did that have been in jail now for 3 to 4 years. and frankly, that is the average. maybe it should be higher, but that is the average of how long a typical person wrong as could be assaults a police officer. it's not. so it's not like they didn't do any time. and i can't help but but add boris, you know there were many prosecutions slightly more from that four hours of of melee here that were, that were prosecuted during the entirety of the so-called summer of love, which was a summer of violence and hate in new york, los angeles, chicago, philadelphia, georgetown, minneapolis and portland. so that's why this is looked at
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first glance. people can't stand it. but if you consider the the facts, you can understand why the president pardoned them. >> many people, sir, were prosecuted and convicted for the protests that we saw unfold in the summer of 2020. not many of them carried out the kind of attack that we're watching on our screen right now. i do hope that you could answer for me whether you think those folks that assaulted police officers should be invited to the white house. >> well, i don't know about that. that's news to me. if that is in fact the case. and and listen, president trump, one thing as well, boris, he said what he was going to do. he said he was going to pardon the sixers. now you have people and you've looked at this that were arrested for sedition, 20 year plus sentences and some of these, these that assaulted police. they're at 20 years plus as well. that's excessive.
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that's beyond the fullest extent of the law. right. so so that's why this was done. i don't know anything about the white house situation, but the whole thing needs to be have a certain feel for people. like, i just got off the phone with someone. i asked him what he was arrested for. it was trespassing and he was in jail for for three months. he's a constituent of mine. so they went. they went excessive in the prosecutions and america knows how inexpensive or how biased it is for others. throughout our society. i mean, you know, those illegal immigrants, i have it on my phone that assaulted and kicked and punched police. they were out the next day. boris with no bail. so it's these frustrations that people have. and that's what the president why he said, i'm going to i'm going to commute and pardon some of the j. sixers because of, because of the the frustration that exists out
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there. and they did time they did 3 to 4 years. >> this is a very different tone from. >> i'm not condoning it, but i understand it. >> sure, sure. it is a very different tone than what you shared with me in june, because you said you'd had a private conversation with president trump in which he differentiated between those convicted of trespassing and those who assaulted police. and you argued that his intention was specifically to pardon the trespassers and not the assaulters. that's obviously not what happened. and it sounds like now you're sort of saying that they did their time and they should be out. >> well, looking at the facts, the typical time for such assaults, we're not talking murderers here. as president biden has, as we've seen, has has pardoned. i mean, president biden just just released someone who murdered two, two fbi agents. now, that was a long time ago, but murdered two fbi agents. the fbi is is livid over it. and they sent a letter to the biden administration. please
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don't do that. so these folks, these people who are unbelievably wrong, once again, did the average time, it wasn't like they didn't do any time. and i'm not changing my viewpoint. i just know the facts a little bit better and i'm explaining them not necessarily condoning or agreeing, but explaining. >> so you're referencing leonard peltier. he was in prison for, for, for decades. obviously, none of the folks convicted of assault, as you pointed out, will spend more than four years behind bars. i do want to play the sound bite of our discussion, because i disagree with your characterization of it. let's listen to our conversation from june. he's talked about well, he's talked about pardoning those folks that that you were talking about being violent and that hurt a lot of capitol police officers and other people as well. >> right. well, no, no, no, not violent, not people who would hurt police officers, those who were part who got caught up in, in the the the riot, if you
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will. >> he's called them political prisoners, sir. >> that. well, no, no, i'm talking about the trespassers. there are some that have been. >> you've heard donald trump differentiate between those folks because i have. >> not strongly prosecuted. okay. and we have weak prosecution on most violent crimes in my city. as you. >> heard, donald trump differentiate between the folks that were there on january 6th on the capitol, the ones that you're describing as just getting caught up in the riot and violent rioters. >> i've had i've had private conversations with him. so certainly i have. and and of course they should. okay. if somebody is beating a police officer and some did okay, they're far cry different from those who basically wandered in to the capitol. and they were wrong. but they should say they should receive no more of a of a of a of a penalty than anybody else who would be. >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure. there were a whole lot of folks just randomly wandering into the halls of congress. aside from those who were trespassing, you
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don't hear a difference from what you were saying then that donald trump privately told you that he was trying to help those who were trespassing, caught up in the riot, as you say, and those who assaulted police officers. it seems like you might have been caught off guard by the release of folks like enrique tarrio and stewart rhodes, and some folks who bashed police officers with pipes and batons. were you surprised that they were released? do they deserve to be freed? >> you know what, if i'm not mistaken, the person you just mentioned, i don't even think was there. he got 20 years for organizing the the mayhem. he wasn't even there. the person i believe you just mentioned. >> he was convicted of seditious conspiracy. nevertheless. >> but but he didn't. he did not solve the police officer. and he got over 20 years. so my my look what i stated back in june, i did state that violent criminals. but but i did state that they should get what the fullest extent of the law.
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that's that you just gave credibility to my, my current position. and i don't necessarily remember that interview to the fullest extent of the law. they went they're going beyond that 22 years, 24 years for sedition, 22 years for, you know, what was done. look, i'm not condoning it. they were dead wrong. many of them did their time. boris, i'm not even saying what my decision would have been. but i will tell you this. president trump promised to to commute and pardon jay. sixers. he did it. joe biden promised not to pardon his family or his son or some other murderers that were on death row. and he did it. that's a big difference between the credibility and character of the two presidents. well. >> aside from whatever he was going. >> to do it and he did it. and the american people voted for him. >> sure. but you were saying as of last summer that he was going to focus on trespassers and not people who assaulted police officers. >> and for the large part,
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that's certainly what occurred. the 95% of those being pardoned or commuted who have been sitting in jail, by the way, some of them were, in fact, protesters that are still sitting in jail. and, by the way, with no bail. some of them didn't get trials for a year. it was it was it was overdone. it was beyond the. full, full extent of the law. and do you know, that's how the president saw it? >> do you believe that you are safer today with these folks being pardoned and being out on the street, folks, that, as you noted, were convicted of seditious conspiracy, who are now talking about how emboldened they are by being released. do you think folks up on capitol hill are safer today after this? >> boris, i don't have any sense of fear whatsoever. first of all, they're under high scrutiny. i think they're very grateful. many of them have admitted what they did was wrong. >> not just them not just. >> them, but.
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>> and anyone, anyone of any political stripe who may be inclined to political violence, believing that someone, a president now or in the future might just pardon them. >> you know? but, boris, i wish you had this discussion about all of those other on the terrorist watch list that have crossed over into our country during the biden administration, and all of those that were not prosecuted. >> i'm trying to talk to you about these pardons. you can you can equivocate as much as you want, but it's just a way to avoid answering. >> i don't want to equivocate, but you you never talk about anything negative about the biden administration, or. >> you haven't seen the interviews that i've done with democrats, have you, congressman? >> i've seen some well, i've seen some. i'm not, i'm not, i'm not. >> congressman dan meuser. let's leave the conversation there. thank you so much for the time. i appreciate you sharing your time with us and your perspective. >> okay. thank you. >> still ahead. we're following breaking news out of tennessee, where there's been a deadly shooting at a nashville high school. we've just received an update from police. we're going to share it with you in just a few minutes. >> hi.
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hospital in stable condition. we're told by authorities that that student has a graze wound to her arm. we also know another student has some sort of facial injury, but not a gunshot wound, but also someone who is being treated after this incident. this happened again inside the cafeteria of this school. complete chaos at that time. this is a school of about 2000 students. it's a high school. and guys, i can tell you that this community, it's a pretty traumatic experience no matter what, but especially for this community, because if you remember, it was just in march of 2023 when six students at covenant elementary school, the christian school, were killed by a former student. if you remember that school, if you do a quick search about 30 minute drive from this high school. so this is a community that is still sort of trying to recover from the trauma of that incident. and that was very clear from family members as they were waiting to just get reunited. you can see with the
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busses here bringing students to their family members from that high school. but i want you to listen to one interview from a grandmother who was waiting just to see their family member come back to them from that high school after this incident today. take a listen. >> tonight. >> when it's all over with, i lay in the bed and i cry because i can't, you know i can't right now. i got to make sure everybody's good. so. >> we're going to hope that she. she is going to get off the bus pretty soon. and you're going to be able to hug her. and what's that going to be like? >> it's going to feel good because those other parents, they're not going to be able to do that. >> you can hear the crack in her voice talking about that family member still waiting to be reunited with their loved ones, that gunman again, as i mentioned, 17 year old, he turned the gun on himself, according to authorities, no longer a threat there for the high school. so that
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reunification process is happening right now, as that school is no longer in lockdown and we know the homicide unit is the lead investigation. investigators on this case, guys. >> all right, brian, appreciate the update. thank you. still to come here. president trump ending the secret service detail for his former national security advisor john bolton, who has received death threats from iran. bolton is going to join us live next. >> lumify. it's kind of amazing. wow. my go to is lumify eye drops lumify dramatically reduces redness in one minute. and look at the difference. my eyes look brighter and whiter for. >> up to eight hours. >> lumify really works. see for yourself. >> introducing two new. >> baja chipotle. >> subs featuring our world famous baja chipotle sauce. listen, that's the baja chipotle talking. well, it's actually me talking, but you know what i mean. find your fresh with a new baja chipotle collection at subway.
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iran's islamic revolutionary guard corps, accusing them of attempting to arrange bolton's murder. here's president trump on his decision to revoke that security protection. >> i think that was enough time. it's we take a job. you take a job, you want to do a job, we're not going to have security on people for the rest of their lives. why should we? i thought he was. i thought he was a very dumb person. but i used him well, because every time people saw me come into a meeting with john bolton standing behind me, they thought that he had attacked them because he was a warmonger. >> ambassador john bolton joins me now. ambassador, good to see you this afternoon. so i'm curious, now that it's known you no longer have this protection. do you feel you are more of a target? >> well, i think almost by definition, i. >> mean, i'm. >> putting measures in place. as you can understand. i'm not going. >> to get. >> into specifics. >> but i will do what's necessary. >> i think i think it's. >> important. >> to understand. >> that the protection is not a
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perquisite. it's not a question of anybody wanting it for life. neither i nor any of the other former government officials who are receiving protection, not not from the secret service, but from their own former departments, want it for life. we'd like nothing better than to hear that the iranian threat had disappeared. but if a foreign adversary threatens american officials basically just for doing their jobs and can get away with it, you can only imagine that would have the effect that would have on the conduct of american national security policy. >> i can understand you don't want to get into specifics, but just to follow up on one thing you said, does this mean you have hired or are planning to hire some form of private security? >> i'm not going to get into specifics, and i think that's important, and i think it's important for their american citizens, ordinary american citizens, not former government officials who are also under threat from the iranian regime. this is a group of of barbarians. basically, they are a state
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sponsor of terrorism, but they're terrorists themselves. and these iranian immigrants, now american citizens who are at risk, and american citizens who have simply spoken out against the government of iran. so it's a it's a widespread problem, and different people are dealing with it in different ways. >> i mentioned these charges from the doj in 2022 for an iranian national and irgc official for trying to organize a plot to kill you. are you aware of any other threats on your life since then? >> well, the the information that was in the criminal charges filed then, a lot of which i didn't know at the time. so the what what i have been told is recently is at the end of last week was that the threat level remained the same as it has been these three years, and i believe that's true for the others who are covered as well. it's not something that the that those who have this information
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relay, at least to me, in specific detail. and frankly, i haven't asked. but the conclusion, which is the threat level remained very high, was unanimous across the government, as i understand it, which underlines why the decision to terminate secret service protection, i think, was motivated by political reasons. >> i want to get your take on something from earlier, a senior iranian official who spoke at davos this morning said he hopes that trump realizes his 2018 withdrawal from the iran nuclear deal was imposed on donald trump, that his advisers misled him. you, of course, served as donald trump's national security advisor at that time. you were later fired after you disagreed with trump's suggestion to lift sanctions against iran. based on what you have heard now from president trump moving into his second term. do you think his approach to iran will be any different this time around, especially given the assassination plot from iran? >> well, it shouldn't be. and whoever this iranian official was, if it was javad zarif,
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their former foreign minister, i wouldn't take his word for very much. donald trump campaigned in 2016 before i was an advisor or anything else, to withdraw from the iran nuclear deal, and he didn't do it for the first year in office because some of his advisers said that he shouldn't do it. but i came in and i said, i do believe you should withdraw. and we did it in 30 days. it's one of my proudest achievements to have helped him out do that. >> before i let you go. you, of course, did serve in donald trump's first administration. do you believe we are more or less safe with donald trump back in the white house? >> no, i don't believe we're more safe. i think it's a more dangerous world, but i still don't think he's fit to be president. i'm very worried about potential decisions he will make. i think the thing to do now, since he's obviously in office, is to argue the policy, try and pursue the correct national security policy for the united states, and hope that whatever arguments i and others can make, persuade his
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advisors and ultimately persuade him it's a dangerous time. it's a time for clear thinking, for strategic thinking, not for kind of ad hoc, off the top of your head decisions. >> john bolton, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> still to come here, a sneak peek at cnn's new series on the life and legacy of kobe bryant. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for. you returns february 15th on cnn. >> whether you're moving across town or across the country, you can count on pods to deliver. when we say we will, which is why we were voted america's number one container moving company. book your move today@pods.com. >> over half a million people with afib have. left blood thinners behind with watchman, a safe one time implant that reduces stroke risk and bleeding worry for life.
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>> come on up, kobe. >> long before. >> the five nba title. >> parades, the. >> mvp awards. >> and olympic gold. >> usa is back on top. this is what it's all about. >> los angeles fell in love with this kid at. >> first sight. his dad, jellybean bryant, was an nba first rounder and journeyman pro who played and coached around the world. so on courts from italy to philly, the prodigy dribbled and dreamed of being better than dad and everyone else. >> i was in the airport on my way up here and people would come up to me and say, hey, do you play basketball? and i said, yeah, you know, i play basketball. and they say, well, what team do you play for? i'm used to saying lower merion high school. so i'm there. i'm like, well, i play for the lower merion high. no. you know what? i'm in los angeles laker. >> and this sports crazed town embraced that kid like a member of the family. like few other athletes ever. i was a sports anchor in l.a. the night kobe proposed to vanessa. and every station in town sent traffic
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helicopters over their house with live coverage to mark the momentous occasion. we had no idea how he would evolve as a family man, as a player, and how vanessa would end up as a fierce defender of his legacy. in 2003, when he was charged with sexually assaulting a 19 year old desk clerk at a colorado resort, he insisted it was consensual and his wife's very public support helped keep the public very much on his side. >> i'm innocent. i didn't force her to do anything against her will, disgusted at myself for making a mistake of. adultery. >> his defense team and the media tore into his accusers. personal life. there were multiple death threats, and when she was no longer willing to testify, the case was dropped and kobe would
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apologize to her in writing. >> come on, come on, come on. >> come on. but he would also harness his pent up anger and drive into a new alter ego he called black mamba. a snake so deadly it strikes fear at first sight. >> the next month, he did 81. he came back with that. he won his first championship without shaq. once he became the mom, he won his second championship without shaq. once he became a mommy, he finally won an mvp. once he became a mom. >> but off the court, kobe would shed black mamba and transform into a girl dad doting over his four daughters with obvious, infectious love. right to the end. >> kobe bryant did not invent girl dad. he just perfected it. it just felt like the future was limitless for him. >> cnn breaking news. >> then in a heartbeat. it all stops in the most horrific way imaginable. >> it's been five years since a helicopter accident took him, his daughter gianna and seven others. we remember the lives
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lost and the legacy of kobe, a name forever. in the debate over all time greats. bill weir cnn, new york. >> our thanks to bill for that preview. the new cnn original series, kobe the making of a legend airs saturday at 9 p.m. eastern and pacific only on cnn. still ahead, four chilean men indicted in a high profile burglary scheme, possibly including the break in at cincinnati bengals star quarterback joe burrows home. details. when we come back. >> i'm lauren lieberman at the pentagon, and. this is cnn. >> you'll be back. emus can't help people customize and save with liberty mutual. and doug. well, i'll be. >> only pay for what you need. >> liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty.
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