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to end birthright citizenship, calling the order, quote, blatantly unconstitutional. >> and then on capitol hill just moments later, ahead of a key vote on his controversial pick to lead the pentagon, pete hegseth republican senator lisa murkowski saying she can't back hegseth nomination as secretary of defense. that means his nomination could now be in trouble, of course, because republicans hold a very narrow majority in the senate. cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny is live at the white house. so in terms of this nomination, it was seen as difficult. um, have we heard any reaction at this point from the white house to this announcement by senator murkowski well, erica, there's no question that there have always been concerns if all republican senators would vote for pete hegseth. >> but the a word from senator murkowski that she is not going to is likely not that surprising to most people here at the white house. we've not seen an official comment from them since she has come out saying she would not support him, but they know that the

math is still on their side, even if narrowly. it would take four republican senators to decide to vote against him. for jd vance, the vice president, to break the tie, he would still be confirmed. i think the bigger question here is, is she going to be alone? or is senator susan collins going to join in with her and vote against, as often happens? but we know that some of the biggest questions about the nomination of pete hegseth have already been answered. after his confirmation hearing, when iowa senator joni ernst, of course, a combat veteran herself who had questions about the conduct of pete hegseth, she said she was voting yes. now, if she would change her mind, which there's no indication of that at all. despite some of this new information. and if other republicans would come out and say, senator mitch mcconnell, for example, he is not specifically said how he'll vote on all of these nominees, that would be more of an issue for concern. but as of now, at least, the math they believe is still on their side. as for the birthright citizenship, this is something that's also pretty familiar. the president signs executive orders. they know that some of these will be

challenged in court. and that is also the point of all of this. this is not a surprise that the birthright citizenship question is indeed a constitutional one, which will be settled not by the president or the congress or the courts, likely the supreme court. so it feels like now the other levers of government are getting back in play here, if you will. this is not going to be simply just executive actions all the way through the president's second term. congress will have to weigh in. the courts will weigh in. so even though it's, you know, these headlines are coming out hour by hour, this is how this process works. but clearly, it's not always going to be a rosy day, a perfect hit for this white house. >> yeah. and to be fair, some of trump's backers knew that this would be a legal fight. they went into it knowing that this would likely wind up in front of the supreme court. exactly. yeah. jeff, something else that trump wanted was to capture an international audience this morning when he spoke at davos and to send a very clear signal as he spoke virtually to business and

political leaders at the world economic forum in switzerland, essentially saying that the united states is open for business. >> open for business, and this is an audience. the president was very eager to address. he obviously couldn't be there in person as he as he's done a couple of times before in 2018 and 2020, i believe. but he wanted to appear virtually to send the message that america is open for business. but he also sent a message for businesses and countries that aren't willing to do business here in the u.s. this is what he said about taxes and tariffs. >> my message to every business in the world is very simple. come make your product in america and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on earth. we're bringing them down very substantially, even from the original trump tax cuts. but if you don't make your product in america, which is your prerogative, then very simply you will have to pay a tariff,

differing amounts, but a tariff which will direct hundreds of billions of dollars and even trillions of dollars into our treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down debt. >> so look, a bit of a not so veiled threat there to businesses and you know that do not do business here in the u.s. one thing the president cannot control alone to our earlier conversation is the exact tax rate that is going to have to be something that is legislatively decided, but the extending of the trump tax cuts is going to be a key question. how do they get this legislative agenda through? but overall, that message to world leaders there in davos is one of of strength. and it's one of confidence. and the president was eager to address the forum and take friendly questions. but again, sending the signal that america is back and most importantly, he's back. and that of course rattles some markets and some world leaders as well. eric and boris. >> jeff zeleny appreciate it. thank you. to dig in a little deeper here. now we're joined by cnn global affairs analyst

kim dozier. kim, as we look at this, you know, as jeff is pointing out, donald trump really wanted to assert in that speech, hey, i'm back. this is what i want. this is what i expect you to do. wants to be that strong man, wants to put them on notice. i thought the reception was equally interesting. kim. >> yeah, the reception was even when he criticized one of the bankers on stage. that man said nothing. just said, hey, by the way, a friend here says hi, um, from the last trump administration, people have learned you do not challenge him in public because he will retaliate. and the whole tone of this speech was, i'm back bigger and better than before. and if you don't work with me, i will sanction you, tax you, tariff you and other unspecified threats. and i think that audience i mean, yes, the audience is full of business people. they want

lower barriers to doing trade around the world. but a lot of them, they're not prepared to just pick up and move manufacturing to the united states. so they are bracing for whatever comes out of the white house next. in terms of actual tariffs. >> kim, i was also struck by his comments about saudi arabia and opec asking them to cut the cost of oil, saying that it would help expedite an end to the war in ukraine. as i put it to richard quest about an hour ago, it's really not that simple, is there incentive that he could offer in order to achieve that? >> well, trump has come into this knowing that zelenskyy and ukraine are willing to negotiate. zelenskyy, the president of ukraine, has told him that in person, but that putin is the problem here. and past advisors told me they were going to present trump a plan to give him leverage over putin to force putin to the

negotiating table. and key among that leverage was lowering oil prices so that russia would be suffering even more. its its economy is suffering right now from high inflation and other banking difficulties. but it's mostly done okay if the oil drops, if the the bottom drops out of the oil market, moscow is going to feel pain. the elite that are keeping putin in power are going to feel pain. and trump is showing that he is perfectly willing to wield that threat and also to bully the crown prince of saudi arabia to help him achieve the goal of lower oil prices. >> a lot to watch for it's day for day for kim dozier. always good to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> we're also following some new developments surrounding president trump pardoning january 6th. defendants, capitol police officers who were assaulted that day and testified against their attackers, we've learned, are getting voicemails from the justice department. this is standard, of course, to let

someone know that people they helped convict were being released from prison. well, cnn obtained a voicemail left for former u.s. capitol police staff sergeant aquilino gonell. take a listen. >> please be advised that the offender is scheduled to be released on january 21st, 2025. >> joining me now to discuss former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who, of course, served on the january 6th committee. good to have you with us. i know there is a fair amount of concern for these officers who testified against the january 6th rioters. um, there's concern about about perhaps your safety as well. where do you stand in terms of your level of concern for folks like, like like aquilino gonell? >> i mean, look, it's concerning i think what's more concerning than anything is these people are being pardoned. the vast majority of them have expressed no remorse. and as you're seeing, even with the interview of some of them that comes out, i think enrique

tarrio was basically saying, no, we're going to go after we're going to have vengeance. and you typically, you know, when i think, what does speaker johnson yesterday said, we believe in forgiveness. and it's like, well, yeah, but to have forgiveness, you have to have this understanding that they did wrong. so yeah, there's some concern out there. i mean i'm not concerned. you know, look, this is what i do for a living, uh, to continue to call out the truth. uh, we've done this for a long time, and we're going to continue to do it. but the problem is, is no matter what is said from the white house or anywhere else, there are people that can take anything. when you say retribution or revenge and they can, whatever that means in their mind is what they're going to do. even if some people are thinking, oh, it just means revenge in terms of we'll have hearings for january 6th or whatever. and so that's where real concern comes in that way. and i hope the media, all of the media i know cnn will, uh, covers every one of these folks that were pardoned that commit a crime like they used to do every time an immigrant was released and committed a crime. and that will let the american people know exactly who's back on the

streets. >> it'd be interesting to see as what unfolds there. but to your point, to your point about, i think you were just bringing up speaker johnson's putting together a committee to investigate the january 6th investigators. i spoke just a short time ago with republican congressman don bacon. he said he does want some answers on things. he said he doesn't want to look back, but he still wants some answers on things like who ordered the national guard not to show up that day. that answer, though, is something that we have. >> yeah, it is. and here's the crazy thing. so, you know, trump has said this and you know, don, i really respect and like i hope he takes a second look at this. um, he keeps saying that nancy pelosi said no to the guard or for a while it was the dc mayor who's in charge of the dc national guard. it's the president of the united states. and under him, the secretary of the army, there is no control of the national guard from nancy pelosi or the mayor of dc. it is the only national guard that falls directly under the president. so look, these people have the answers. they know the answers. the problem

is they're scared to go back to their base and tell them what they know. and so instead, the same people that have been saying it's time to move on from january 6th, they were saying that the whole time we were investigating january 6th are now saying, let's go back to january 6th. look, i, other members of the committee, we were ready to move on after the election because we put the facts out there and america still made a choice. but if they want to revisit the 187 minutes trump sat and did nothing. you know the fact that the day that night he called them criminals, you know, after everything was settled down and now he let them go. fine. we'll revisit all of that. but it seems like a super waste of time for a majority that claims they have a lot to do. >> i do also want to get your take on. so we just learned a short time ago that senator lisa murkowski has said she is a no. when it comes to pete hegseth for secretary of defense, noting his past behaviors, which he's admitted to show a lack of judgment. in her words, that's unbecoming of someone who would lead our armed forces. i know you have

some some thoughts on pete hegseth, but but i wonder what you think this means too, in terms of this is one republican senator. do you think there could be more? susan collins, for example? >> uh, there could be more. and i my thought is that there may be a couple people we're not talking about or expecting. do i think his nomination goes down? if i was a betting man, i'd probably bet against the nomination going down. but i do think there may be 1 or 2 others that pop up here. they may have been talking, so they get like three people to vote no, but he still passes. i don't know what that level of coordination is. i'll say this for lisa murkowski. anybody that says no on this or any other nomination, it takes real courage to, in today's political environment. it used to be that senators understood what their job was to make an independent decision. now to go against donald trump takes a lot of courage. i guess it's kind of doing your job, but we'll call it courageous. and she gets a lot of credit for that. and i hope there are others that join her, not just on this one, but other nominations that are, you know,

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also contending that he simply did not have wasn't fit for such an important job. now, that is not the opinion of most republican senators who are falling in line, but there are a handful who have not made a decision yet, including senator susan collins of maine, who i just asked moments ago about where she is. she said she'll be releasing a statement shortly about about how she will vote. and she indicated to reporters earlier today that she has the information she needs to cast this critical vote. >> i think it would have been helpful if the fbi report had been more detailed, and if it had been shared with at least every member of the armed services committee. i do believe i have sufficient information. >> so now i have to go through and now i'm going through this last allegation. but unless i can point to specific firsthand corroborated testimony, i'm not going to cave to pressure. i'm going to vote for his confirmation.

>> what do you think? you new? allegations that the fbi, as this affidavit about oh, don't. what did you say, senator? sorry, i know. >> his ex-wife has denied it, so i don't think they can take away that. >> tamara qiblawi. >> so that last comment was in reference to an affidavit that was submitted by an ex sister in law of pete hegseth, who alleged that he was engaged in alcohol abuse and mistreated his second ex-wife. his second ex-wife contended that there was no physical abuse in their relationship, and of course, hegseth himself has denied repeatedly those allegations of sexual misconduct, allegations of excessive drinking, and has told senators he would not drink if confirmed to this critical position. but in just a matter of minutes, we'll see if he has the votes to pass this first hurdle. and if he does, he could be confirmed as late as tomorrow. >> manu, thank you. boris.

>> let's discuss with democratic >> have to come and vote to pass to move into the next stage. i hope that at least three more republicans step up there a moral center and realize that this man is not fit to lead the bravest men and women in this country, the ones who wear the uniform of our great nation. >> have you spoken to collins or perhaps other senators that have expressed apprehension, or at least have not come out in support of hegseth? >> well, it's very hard to talk to the republicans right

now. they are pretty much avoiding us when we have tried to bring this up. they, they they close ranks. remember that the ones who express any doubt immediately were descended upon by with threats, with negative comments. even joni ernst, when she first you know, when all of these allegations about pete hegseth first came out and she expressed doubt about his qualifications and the fact his lack of qualifications, uh, immediately from president trump on down, she was threatened with her political career. she was threatened personally. the maga crowd. so you can see why republicans would be running scared. but i hope that at least three more of them, in addition to lisa murkowski, decide to put country in front of their political survival. >> senator, we heard a short time ago from tom tillis, a republican senator. he said that he hadn't seen any firsthand corroborated testimony backing up some of the allegations against

hegseth. i wonder what you make of that, whether you think, as senator collins expressed, that the fbi report was not more detailed. >> yes. he was very careful in how he made that statement. the fbi report, you should know, is requested by the trump transition team. they tell the fbi who to talk to and more importantly, who not to talk to. and they also have hidden the fbi report from the members of the committee. so i have not been able to see the fbi report even as it is a defective and doesn't is not comprehensive enough. neither has thom tillis. but this is the decision of the republicans. the chairman could allow us to see it. and he he said no, he wouldn't even give us a second round of questions. and mr. hegseth was kept away from all the democratic committee members, and we were not even allowed to meet with him in person prior to the hearing. and in fact, i'm

still waiting to meet with mr. hegseth. i've been requesting a meeting with him since december 18th, and so for thom tillis to say what he says is factually correct. but there's a lot behind the scenes, and that is the information, isn't there? because the trump transition team is blocking that information, because the chairman of the committee is not allowing us to see it. and because the fbi report is designed to be lacking. and so we're now at this place where we're going to have to vote on the person who's going to run the greatest military on the face of the earth, the person with access to the nuclear codes. and we don't have information about this man's character. >> the trump team is essentially arguing that committee members should not be allowed access to the report because of a precedent set by the biden administration. what do you think about that? shouldn't they follow the same precedent? >> well, the precedent is that you can actually have access to report, and there has been access to reports that have been given in cases like this where there were sexual assault allegations. and in fact, we were able to see reports like

this on previous folks who were up for other positions to be confirmed, who had sexual assault allegations. and in fact, joni ernst was very active in in those investigations. and so and the not allowing us to have a second round of questions, not allowing the nominee to meet with any of the members of the minority party. those are absolutely unprecedented, and they're not consistent with the bipartisanship that normally governs the senate armed services committee and how we operate. >> senator, i just want to let our viewers know, as you might be able to see on your screen, the senate has confirmed trump's pick to lead the cia, john ratcliffe. they're now moving on to that procedural vote that we were discussing on pete hegseth. i do have to ask you, senator, in regard to this latest affidavit regarding pete hegseth that was released by his ex sister in law, his ex-wife came forward and refuted some of the claims in that affidavit. i wonder if you think that undercuts some of the

claims against hegseth. >> please be clear on what happened. and that is that his ex-wife's lawyer came forward and made a statement. i understand that this woman has young children. she is terrified for her safety and her children's safety. she is still dependent on mr. hegseth for alimony and child support payments. this is a woman who had a safe word so that she could be rescued. because she was so fearful of this man's abuse. if you were in that situation and the whole world was watching, you had donald trump, the president of the united states, the entire republican party threatening you and pete hegseth the guy that owes you alimony. what would you do? go talk to sexual assault survivors. go talk to domestic violence survivors. they probably would be reacting the same way she is, which is she's fearing for her life. she's fearing for her children, and she's fearing for her financial well-being. i'm not surprised that her lawyer would make that kind of a statement. >> have you had a chance to speak directly with

her, senator? >> we are not allowed to speak with her. and fbi was not allowed to. you know, again, the fbi spoke with her, but a lot of the fbi report was redacted or not included in their fbi report, because this is the trump administration sets the parameters for what is going to be in the fbi report. >> senator tammy duckworth, we appreciate your time. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. i do want to share again live pictures from the floor of the senate with our viewers. this is a key procedural vote on pete hegseth for secretary of defense. as the senator just said to us, we don't know exactly what is going to happen. so will republicans fall in line and backing donald trump's pick to lead the pentagon? we'll find out in moments. stay with us. >> february 20th to the 23rd. join us at the food network south beach wine and food festival. >> this is a world class food and wine festival. i don't think there's anything like this. >> proceeds benefit fiu. >> eat, drink and educate. >> get your tickets now at

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you seeing? >> and, boris, there are those tens of thousands of people you mentioned who are not able to be in their homes right now, but the fact that i'm about to show you this burn scar area, this is all indication of good news. they seem to have some control over this because all we see are burned out hillsides and a little bit of hotspots here and there where you see a little smoke pick up in the distance. this whole area burned yesterday and overnight. and because the winds were actually not as severe as they were, for example, on the first day of the palisades fire that really gave fire crews an advantage yesterday and overnight. another advantage is the fact that because of the palisades and eaton fire, there were so many resources from other states from canada that they were able to divert crews here to have a very aggressive attack on this right from the get go, with aircraft flying. and and they could do that

because the winds were favorable. so they actually feel like there is some control over this huge fire. and it did start at a location that was a little bit farther from the density of residential neighborhoods. even so, we've been told that if the winds were as fierce as they were in the palisades, all bets are off. and that's why, as we still have very high winds and very dangerous fire conditions for today through friday, they really want people everywhere across the metro area to be alert, to be prepared and to pay attention to the news, because any shift of high winds could put anybody in the path of danger here. but so far, the hughes fire is proving to be a lot more manageable. and they hope that that will be the case in today as they continue to control this. now, the next problem, of course, though, is the rain coming on the weekend that could potentially spell landslides, especially in burn scar areas.

>> yeah, yet another thing to be concerned about. natasha chen live for us in southern california. thank you so much, erica. >> well, the national weather service doesn't typically issue red flag warnings until mid-february or even the spring. but as california governor gavin newsom has repeatedly said, there is no fire season anymore. the threat is now year round. ariel cohen joins me now with the meteorologist in charge at the national weather service in los angeles and oxnard. ariel, good to have you with us. so when we look at where things stand, can you just put in perspective for us? what are the areas right now that are deemed to be at the most acute risk? >> absolutely. right now we are closely monitoring the mountains and foothills of los angeles county into a large portion of central and southern ventura county, with higher elevation wind gusts over 60 miles per hour. absolutely bone dry. relative humidity is ongoing, really creating a very volatile combination of parameters that have come together to support rapid growth and explosive growth of any fires that are ongoing or

have yet to occur. this is going to be continuing through tomorrow morning, and red flag warnings remain in effect until 10 a.m. tomorrow, friday. >> so we're looking at those red flag warnings until 10 a.m. there's also the threat of rain, which i think most folks would think this is great rain. rain could really cause some significant issues. as my colleague natasha chen was just laying out, um, what is the potential at this point for flash flooding, for mudslides? >> we're going to have a very dramatic shift in the weather going from these anomalously warm temperatures today into tomorrow. and then by the time we get to this weekend, a significant cooldown is expected as a storm system moves through, and that will be bringing those showers and maybe even a few thunderstorms. a lot of areas are going to be getting beneficial rains on the order of a half inch to an inch. however, with some of the heavier cells around, there's at least the possibility a remote possibility that if one of those sets up over the burn scar with the ground is going to be impermeable to the rainfall entering it, that rain

will quickly run off in areas of steep terrain where there's damage from those fires really collect a lot of mud and other debris, and that could result in landslides, mudslides, and other debris flows. again, it's a low confidence scenario, but a reasonable worst case scenario. we may not have a lot of confidence until it's about to occur. so if you have vulnerabilities to landslides, mudslides and debris flows, especially in los angeles and ventura counties, now is the time to be preparing as it may only be a moment's notice. that's the difference between life and death. >> what i'm hearing from you is that at this point, folks in the area unfortunately need to be prepared at any moment to leave. >> exactly. right now, those steps that you could be taking ahead of time in advance of these potentially dangerous situations are going to be vital so that you are taking those preparedness actions into effect as soon as those warnings come and you're ready to keep yourself and your loved ones safe. >> before i let you go, when we

look at the fact that l.a. county has been under an extreme drought, under an extreme drought for the first time since 2021, um, was that expected? and how concerned are you that it could even get worse you know, the meteorological parameters that come together? >> it's very challenging to be particularly certain about one scenario versus another over an extended period of time. the main message here is that the volatility of the factors that bring about our extreme impacts really warrant everyone being vigilant at all times, everyone having a preparedness plan, be practicing that plan, have multiple ways of getting emergency information so that you can protect yourself and when and when moments matter the most. you're not learning about what it will take to be safe. you're putting that that plan into action immediately and staying safe. >> ariel cohen, appreciate the time today. thank you. >> thank you

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>> yeah, let's discuss with dominic patten. he's the executive editor at deadline hollywood. dominic, great to see you as always. a big day for emilia pérez. despite quite a bit of controversy surrounding that film, it picked up 13 nominations. what do you think resonates so strongly about this one? >> well, i think there's a couple of things, boris. i think one thing is it also made a little bit of history today because its star is the first openly trans person to receive an acting oscar nomination. so i think that there is a little bit of that. i think academy voters, they're sensitive to the times we live in. and let's be honest, the times we live in are certainly causing battle lines to be drawn. but i think also, too, is one of the things about emilia pérez is it's a very strong story with an extremely strong cast. as we saw what happened at the golden globes with multiple and as you mentioned, erica, with 13 nominations. now, a similar thing is happening here. so i will say this though, unlike, say, last year, where pretty much everybody knew oppenheimer was taking everything, this is

a pretty much a wide open race. as we talked about on deadline. you do have emilia pérez, but you also have the brutalist, which also has done well in the awards season circuit. you also have wicked, which has done well in the awards season as well as at the box office. you've even you've got demi moore in the substance, you've got a number of players here, so nobody is going to write off what this one, this oscar is going to be any time soon. >> i feel like that makes it a little bit more exciting when you can maybe spread the love around a little bit. you brought up the brutalist adrien brody, felicity jones, a really powerful story about hungarian refugees who emigrated to the u.s. after the holocaust. there have been some questions, though, about the use of a.i. in. dialect. i'm just as you as you watch this, and it's obviously you cover this. how long do you think it will take before there is a.i. in movies? i should say is not seen as being something quite so controversial. >> well, i will say this, erica, one of the reasons why this is controversial is because they revealed it. i, as we saw just this week with president trump revealing his

new $500 billion plan and various tech overlords getting on board. and what have you is a.i. is here. we use it every day. it's in our phones. it's in everything we use. we're looking at elements like this. i view this as a portion of editing. to be honest with you. my opinion only this is what i should be used for. it should be used as a tool to help improve, just in the way you would use lighting effects to colorize a particular scene or what have you. that is a prompt that is a promise that can be made and kept. it's when a.i. becomes the content. i think that's when a lot of people have issues, and that time it's coming one way or the other. >> so we mentioned emilia pérez. wicked is also nominated for some awards. those two make this the first time in over 50 years that two musicals have been nominated for best picture. does that signal a shift to you in hollywood or musicals? having a moment? >> well, i would say this because i think there's a academy voters which sometimes put their heads in the sand. a lot of people have been, you

know, we all know there's been a lot of ring kissing from hollywood, the tech companies and what have you. with the reelection of donald trump, i think that this shows academy voters they're looking to to break through, you know, hollywood, we obviously have talked about the fires that have devastated my hometown of l.a. you know, we have seen the strikes of 2023. we've seen the industry contract, forget the economy. i think there's a little bit of joy out there. and i think musicals pretty much provide that for all of us, even when the stories are dark. in fact, some of the best musicals, sound of music, for instance, is a very dark story, but a great musical. so i think in that sense, this is something that people are leaning into. but i'll also be honest with you, these are both excellent films. wicked, of course, is based on the wizard of oz, so it has a lot of a lot of heritage based on the play that's based on the wizard of oz. so it's got a great built in market, and emilia pérez is just a really good movie that maybe doesn't get as deep as it wants to, but it certainly pushes some barriers, and that's always a good thing with the originality of

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