>> moderator. >> drew. >> who's. >> abby phillips? >> no. >> wheeler mahle. >> drew. >> you added. >> the s. as you know. abby. phillip, back to you. >> come on. ken. ken. >> what the s. >> ken. he was so. >> close. hey, that's legitimately wrong. >> for drew. >> it's wrong. that's actually. i feel bad. >> for him. yeah, justice for drew. he was so close, i would have given it to him. >> absolutely. >> i don't know. i'm not. you know, i'm not a stickler for the jeopardy rules, but. >> why is it. >> every time chuck is looking at me like. >> you know, your. >> rules. >> are the rules? i mean, isn't that. >> how much money was on the line? like, if he was going to win a new house, i'd be like, no, ain't no way. >> the good news is, it wasn't that much. >> it also proves my point that if you went to harvard, you got to jam in that you went to harvard in every possible way. that's a harvard affliction you guys. >> all have. this was about that was a humble brag that you were on jeopardy! yeah, i know.

>> tonight, sudden drama around president trump's pick for defense secretary. there are new cracks that apparently are emerging this evening. and what it could actually mean for those who are voting no on pete hegseth. plus, there's a major roadblock in trump's push to end birthright citizenship. and it's not just the constitution. it's a judge who blocked it and is not pulling any punches. and who really killed jfk? president trump making a move tonight that could maybe get us closer to getting the clearing and clearing the air once and for all tonight, once and for all. on laura coates live. president trump is testing the limits of his power during his first week in office. for the second time around. and tonight's question will

republicans keep rank and stick with him as he wields the power? and if not, what is their breaking point? we now know what that point is for at least two of them, republican senators lisa murkowski and susan collins, voting now against pete hegseth nomination for secretary of defense. now, hegseth did clear a major hurdle today, clearing a procedural vote that puts him on track to being confirmed. it could happen as soon as tomorrow night, but murkowski and collins are giving a thumbs down, and they're citing his character and his lack of experience as the reason why. and tonight, we're learning hegseth apparently paid $50,000 to the woman who accused him of sexual assault back in 2017. that's according to documents obtained by cnn. now, hegseth denies her allegations. he says he reached a settlement with the woman to prevent her from tarnishing his career. now, it's unlikely this will derail any part of his confirmation, but losing the support of two

gop senators isn't nothing either. as for what the president says about murkowski and collins. >> no surprises there. too bad, since the way the way it is too bad. >> no surprises there. but could there be a surprise for some of trump's other controversial picks? he can only afford to lose three republican votes. now, two have shown they're willing to go their own way. while trump trump's grip in congress may not actually be as ironclad as he wants. he is trying to flex his strength in other areas, like deciding who gets to keep secret service protection. we're learning now that trump has revoked the security detail for his former secretary of state, mike pompeo. it was just yesterday that he took away the former national security adviser, john bolton, and his security. both had been getting threats from iran. and in trump's telling, protection has a time limit. >> when you have protection,

you can't have it for the rest of your life. do you want to have a large detail of people guarding people for the rest of their lives? i mean, there's risks to everything. >> joining me now, former republican congressman from alabama, mo brooks. congressman, thank you for joining us this evening. a lot of questions around the why. i mean, first, it was john bolton's detail. now, the former secretary of state, mike pompeo, both have been the subject of serious iranian threats. is he doing this out of spite or what do you think his motivation is? >> well, that's the question that i hope members of congress, in both the house and the senate will determine. i know mike pompeo personally served with him in the house of representatives. he is one of the most intellectual and honest people i've had the pleasure to work with in washington, dc. he did the bidding of donald trump and donald trump's first term as his secretary of state. as a consequence, mike pompeo and

perhaps his family has been the subject of various threats. some terrorists, some you got to take seriously. and i hope the president is not making a mistake by hanging mike pompeo out there, a man who served honorably on behalf of donald trump as the secretary of state from 2017 to 2020. >> as far as we know, he's been supportive, at least publicly, of him to this day. but john bolton, in stark contrast, has been very critical of the now president of the united states. but you haven't heard a lot from republicans. they have been conspicuously silent on this. is there a republican you think is willing to go out and criticize trump on capitol hill now for doing just this? >> well, the vast majority of republicans and democrats in the house of representatives and the united states senate would have difficulty finding as good a job elsewhere. and they're going to do everything they can to make sure that they maximize their chances of getting reelected. and what you're looking at right now is this calculation where

am i more risk in a republican primary or a general election if they're more at risk in a republican primary? and donald trump has shown that he's pretty good at taking out conservative republicans. but if if their danger is in a republican primary, then they better go with donald trump, no matter what he says, or they are very much at risk of not being reelected. those who are in battleground senate seats or house seats, the equation is a little bit different. it's not the republican primary that is of greatest concern. it's the general election. and so they have a different calculus. they have to go through. >> i have to say that is very discouraging to think about that calculus, because in nowhere in that equation was there on behalf of the people of the united states or their actual jurisdiction. i understand that politics has that particular aspect of it, of trying to remain in power, but that quest for power means that they're going to be compromised in other ways in trying to do what maybe they think is right. in fact,

including maybe protecting those who have been doing their jobs and now have it rescinded. >> well, you know, i have a difference of opinion with democrats. so when they disagree with me, i get that because they have an entirely different philosophy of government. what really got me upset in washington, d.c., in the 12 years i served in the house is these republicans who would say one thing in elections in order to win those elections, and then just totally disregard what they had advocated while they were in washington, d.c. and the reason they do that, the primary reason is the game in washington, d.c., is about cash. for example, you probably already know this, but if you want to be considered for a major committee in the house of representatives, generally, the initial bid price is over $1 million, and you can't get that from joe and jane. citizen. you got to get that from special interests and the quid pro quo involved there corrupts the public policy debate on both sides of the aisle. >> money, unfortunately, does make the

world go round, but many would like it to be out of politics completely. i know you have concerns there as well, congressman, but you were actually at the ellipse on january 6th, and you you were urging the crowd to stop at the capitol. trump just pardoned more than 600 rioters who assaulted or resisted police officers at the capitol. what is your opinion given? i know that you have had a changed relationship with the now president of the united states, donald trump, but what's your take on the fact that he has pardoned those people? >> well, i've got two reactions. one is kudos to donald trump and that he promised during the campaign that he was going to pardon all these people, and he kept his promise. there aren't enough politicians in washington that do that. if it had been me, there's no way in the world i would have pardoned anyone who violently attacked law enforcement officers. and that's because i believe in law and order. i don't believe in going after people as a republicans when they're democrats, like black lives matter and whatnot. in the arsons and riots of 2020, much

like i don't believe democrats going after and seeking enhanced punishment against republicans in 2021 and thereafter. justice is supposed to be fair. we should treat everybody the same. but that's clearly not the case over the last 4 or 5 years. >> we'll see how the incoming ag will view all this. and the idea of the accusations of a weaponized department of justice. former congressman mo brooks, thank you for joining this evening. >> my pleasure. >> i want to continue our conversation with senior politics reporter for axios, mark caputo, former communications director for vice president kamala harris, ashley etienne and republican strategist liam donovan here as well. good to have you all here. liam, let me start with you here because there has been an evolution from some republicans as it relates to president trump. they once had a cozy and now they have a more strained relationship. you hear the congressman brooks talking about trump. what do you make of the evolution towards him? >> well, i think it is a

striking shift from 2017 to 2025 here, especially as it relates to these nominees. i mean, you had similar situations with people like andy puzder, who's lost to history at this point. actually, i think he's been nominated for an ambassadorial post, but he was in a similar situation. and his his his nomination was scuttled because of some of the allegations. this is a situation where this party has consolidated around this president. his prerogatives are being respected. and something that congressman brooks mentioned, i think is the key here, which is the incentives within the republican conference. if you want to think about collins and murkowski, what they're doing here, they have a completely different set of incentives than the rest of the conference. and that's the reason why hegseth will be confirmed. he'll be confirmed with 51 votes, and he'll have two votes to spare. >> what do you think their incentives are? >> well, i think it's entirely a function of it does not make sense to be crosswise with donald trump on his nominees. he won. he has the mandate. he has the legitimacy of the

popular vote. and it does not make sense to go against him. if you value your political future. >> well, mark on that point. i mean, the idea of valuing one's political future, obviously, if you want to be able to implement what you stand for, you've got to be in a position to do so. you want to remain in office, but it sounds like the calculus more and more is remain in office, and less and less remain in office to accomplish what your stated ethical objectives are. is that where we are right now, where there's really no daylight between the white house and capitol hill? for that reason i can't speak to motives specifically, but i've never held politicians in the highest of esteem, so i can't tell if they're worse than they used to be. >> what i can say is to liam's point that the president is the clear leader of his party. he was an outsider in 2016. he sort of fluked. it was a fluke of sorts that he won election. it

surprised him in 2016. he had problems at first. he then botched it and lost election in 2020, lied about it and the like. and then he had four years to regroup and seize control of his party at every level. and now the party has submitted to him. he controls it. he has the voters, he has the structure, the organization, the tactics and the strategy. something he didn't have in 2016. and politics ultimately is a team sport. and most, if not a majority of the republicans in the senate and in the house realize that. and so to liam's point, this is who the president wants. this is who their party is going to give to him. it looks like it's going to get 51 votes and not the 99 that marco rubio. >> well, ashley, the democrats have a response to that, a strategic response. >> to a hegseth nomination. >> to the fact that there is a trump trifecta when it comes to

his control of the republican party in congress and trying to move forward. >> yeah, i mean, the reality is, is trump will do what he did in his first four years is he'll overstepped his bounds. he and that's a pattern. and that's, you know, and every time he does, he's you know, democrats have to be there and ready and prepared to take advantage of that opportunity. but he's going to do it. i mean, none of these things are without risk. even the issue of deportations, the wall street journal just had a poll this week that showed that the majority of americans, more than 70% of them, want those who are born in this country to stay in this country, those who have been here a long period of time, to stay here in this country, that they only want those removed that are criminals. so that's really the reality is he's going to inevitably i ran the opposition for pelosi in the white house in trump's first term. and inevitably, trump always sets his own trap and steps right into it. but the question is, where is the opposition now? if you looked at the the national mall in this last election, it was probably a quarter of the

people there that were protesting trump's inauguration. so that's really the main concern. you don't have nancy pelosi in the house anymore. our house democrats and senate democrats are going to be able to pull this thing off and mount an opposition to trump that has a level of precision that doesn't swing at every one of his outrageous balls. so that's really the question whether or not they can mount a substantial opposition that's inside, outside washington to win back not just the house, but then lay the foundation to win the white house. >> well, the curious thing, of course, is while that is building, there is a drinking from the fire hose approach that's happening, the flooding of the zone, so to speak, and the first of several days while democrats are attempting, as you're saying, to sort of get up to speed on that leadership conundrum. but, liam, i mean, there's also the attempt by the administration to hit the ground running when it comes to their cabinet. and he already has secretary of state. he likely is soon to have confirmed an attorney general. he wants a defense secretary, but he has told the senate

armed services committee that he paid 50,000 bucks to the woman who accused him of sexual assault in 2017. that's not chump change by any stretch of the imagination, but will it have any impact before tomorrow's final vote? >> i don't think so. i mean, look, it's really hard to make these sorts of arguments about the cabinet picks when we've already had a referendum among the voters at a national level about this president who's had sort of mirror images of many of these, these scandals and these allegations, and the american people have clearly not cared enough to, you know, to disqualify him. so it's it would be an odd thing for members of, of the senate to suddenly turn that turn that around. i don't think it's going to matter. it's going to be 51 votes in hegseth will be the next secretary of defense. >> we'll see what happens. i, of course, take issue, as you guys know, because nobody ever asked after i voted why or because or explain here. so this idea of a mandate still escapes me a little bit. but we'll see what everyone thinks. i say the same thing for democrats too. thank you everyone. next, trump on the

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with an appearance at the world economic forum. he started off by telling the crowd of business and political leaders that america is back. before issuing this warning. >> my message to every business in the world is very simple. come make your product in america and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on earth. but if you don't make your product in america, which is your prerogative, then very simply you will have to pay a tariff. >> i want to bring in cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. david, good to see you. i know the philosophy of if you build it, they will come. if you threaten, will they make them here? >> well, we're about to discover that laura and what we did see in the in the presentation to the davos group was the most nationalistic approach to both trade and diplomacy that we've seen in

some time, even more so than the first term. uh, that president trump had. he made the argument that you had to come to the united states. he made the argument that he and he alone would go negotiate an end to the ukraine war. he made the argument that basically nothing mattered other than the direct negotiation between other countries and the united states. so, in other words, the whole structure to avoid trade wars, to have groups of allies together, that the u.s. built after world war two. he's basically walking away from. and then he said, every european country had to go, um, donate, donate. uh, contribute. 5% of their gdp to defense, which might make perfect sense, except the united states does 3.5%. >> well, let me ask you on this issue about ukraine in

particular, because trump has been calling for the end of ot talked about being able to solve this within 24 hours. and before he was inaugurated. obviously that has not happened. but when he was asked if the war will be over in a year's time, trump said this. >> well, you're going to have to ask russia, ukraine is ready to to make a deal. >> so it seems to suggest that it's russia that is stalling and trying to end all of this. how is the kremlin going to receive that statement? >> you know, he's doing something here. that's, i think, pretty smart. um, he he came into office with the accusation hanging over him that he was basically vladimir putin's friend and would never criticize putin. you may remember that when the war broke out nearly three years ago, he said the invasion was very smart before he pulled that, that back. i think what

he's doing right now is trying to build up a little bit of both credibility and some leverage for the negotiations. he's threatening putin with, uh, tariffs and further sanctions. i'm not sure there's much of a threat there, because there have been so many sanctions put on the russian economy that there's not a whole lot left to do, and very few imports left to to tariff. but i suspect that in the next couple of days, you'll probably see the first conversation between putin and trump. and i think he's trying to soften him up for that moment. >> well, the economy is something that's been top of mind for voters here and something that he didn't want to discuss. it seemed as much with sean hannity yesterday on fox news when he was asked repeatedly about it. but the economy still. let's go there because the cost of living is obviously something that trump has promised to deal with. but listen to what he said about

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judge temporarily blocked it, but trump is vowing to appeal that decision. >> no, obviously we'll appeal it. they put it before a certain judge in seattle, i guess, right. and, there's no surprises with that judge. >> that judge he's talking about blasted the president's executive order as, quote, blatantly unconstitutional. and he went even further, saying, i have been on the bench for over four decades. i can't remember another case where the question presented was as clear. here to discuss raul reyes, cnn opinion columnist, attorney and immigration analyst and retired new york city judge george grasso. good to have both of you on. let me begin with you, your honor. grasso i mean, the judge did not pull any punches in criticizing trump and the doj for even trying this order. as a fellow judge. what did you make of what he said? >> he was. >> right on the money. i mean, the the there's plain language right up front in the

14th amendment. furthermore, there's actually supreme court case law on this very subject that goes all the way back to 1898. the case of united states versus wong kim ark. this is clear. i read the president's executive order on this. if that had been submitted in law school for review, it would have gotten an f minus. uh, it doesn't pass the smell test, but i guess, you know, if you've got two judges, say alito and thomas, who basically are going to go along with anything you give them, i guess you think even in that f minus term paper might get you over. but if we look at it objectively, by reading the face of the executive order in the context of the existing supreme court case law, and most importantly, in the plain reading of the first sentence of the 14th amendment of the

united states, this is a joke. >> well, raul, we, you and i are both laughing at the idea of a law school professor asking a hypothetical about what if you just ignored the language of the 14th amendment and said, nah, forget about it. but the first sentence is one thing. but there's also this section about, subject to the jurisdiction thereof. there seems to be an argument being made that those who are children of undocumented migrants or migrants themselves are not subject to the laws of this country. that's just not true. >> right. and look, there's two easy examples, you know, to to to think about. number one, if we're going to say that undocumented people are not subject to their children, are not subject to the laws of this country, the test is if they're going 100 miles an hour speeding, can a policeman pull them over, give them a ticket? if the answer is yes, then yes. they are subject to the laws of this country. and the second, you know, this is the legal argument that the trump

administration is going to put forward, hinges on this particular clause, arguing that their children, the children of undocumented people, are not subject to the jurisdiction of the united states laws. if they're not, then the trump administration and our government has no authority to detain them and deport them, because by their by their thinking, they're not subject to our laws. but for me, aside from these obvious constitutional legal issues, there's something about even the fact that we are discussing this issue, which has been settled law for so long, and now people are reconsidering or thinking about now what it means to be an american and and looking at themselves and others and potentially, you know, looking at what they are entitled to. and for me, it's disturbing because this is the administration of the most powerful man in the world, basically going after newborns and children who would otherwise be americans. >> well, there is a process, judge, of trying to change the

constitution. i mean, it wasn't written on a post-it note. it is the 14th amendment, and it's quite clear. and yet you've got this temporary relief for injunctive relief. if another court should look at this issue, they might they could conceivably rule differently, which means it could end up before the supreme court, if not sooner. how do you see the justices possibly entertaining this issue? and you mentioned alito. you've mentioned thomas. i know there has been the overturning of precedent in recent times, but the premise of why they've done so, they have said, is because there was a historical context that would support having something stay in as precedent. this goes back to the 14th amendment to the civil war. times. >> right? the only the only honest way to do this would be to try and amend the constitution. >> right. >> uh, because anything other than that, you're going against the plain

language, the plain meaning of the language and case law. supreme court case law. right on point. that goes back to 1898. but, you know, sad to say. i mean, i think that the decision in the presidential immunity case uh, to me, that goes down that, you know, as a matter of fact, the dred scott case is one of the reasons why the 14th amendment came into being. i think that the supreme court, you've got to go back pretty much to the dred scott case and plessy v ferguson to get a supreme court ruling that says a president is essentially immune from any criminal prosecution for anything he does, while president, regardless of the act and regardless of the intent. well, if i sound a little cynical about

the current makeup of the supreme court, it's cases like that that drive my concern and probably drive the current president's exuberance to submit a document that, as i said, would get an f minus in a law school class. >> well, we'll see. obviously, that immunity decision about official acts of congress. but interestingly enough, even a court that had decided plessy versus ferguson and separate but equal even they could not muster up a straight faced argument to say the 14th amendment did not actually apply or should not be looked at as people born here than american. um, let me ask you this question, because pretty new tonight, the mayor of newark says that there was an immigration raid at a business and undocumented people and citizens were detained. cnn hasn't been able to verify all the details of this, but ice says that while it may encounter citizens during targeted enforcement, they cannot discuss ongoing

investigations. this was the very concern about a raid that it would be casting such a wide net as to envelop people who ought not to even be under the jurisdiction of ice. >> exactly. you know, this is, you know, you know, breaking news, this story. so i don't want to speak to this story in too much specificity. >> 10,000 foot view. >> but this is the problem with with this type of enforcement that the administration has pledged to do. it infringes on the civil rights of latinos, of lawful residents, of asian americans, of anyone who potentially. quote unquote, looks like they might be an immigrant or an undocumented person. so we have potential violations of the fourth amendment guarantee against search and seizure, the violation of the equal protection clause, which says all people need to be treated equally. and as the trump administration carries out these mass raids, what they're trying to do by by making everyone, in a sense, potentially eligible for deportation, they are

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declassification of files relating to the assassinations of president john f kennedy, senator robert f. >> kennedy, and the reverend doctor martin luther king, jr.. >> that's a big one, huh? a lot of people are waiting for this for so long. for years. for decades. and everything will be revealed. >> all right, so are we going to find out what they say happened or what? because the question now is whether these remaining top secret files, if they get out, will do anything to change the official story, which, according to the government, says that lee harvey oswald acted alone when he assassinated president kennedy in dealey plaza on november 22nd, 1963. the commission that investigated never found a motive, but the closest conclusion they came to was that oswald was moved by an overriding hostility to his environment. now, conspiracy theorists, you know, they never bought it. they have thought

that it had everything to do with what it was cuba to. it was the cia to there were multiple shooters, and hollywood has been running with it for decades. >> and who killed the president? oh, man. why don't you stop it? this is too big for you. you know that. this is who did the president. who killed kennedy? man, it's a mystery. it's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma. >> well, the mystery got even more suspect after the intelligence community lobbied trump not to release all the files during his first term. remember that? why? well, then they cited national security concerns. but this is trump 2.0 now. and yes, he does have jfk's nephew in his orbit and potentially his cabinet. joining me now, larry sabato, director of the center for politics at the university of virginia. he's also the author of the kennedy half

century the presidency, assassination, and enduring legacy of john f kennedy. larry, before we even get into the substance of what the documents may have, do you first have any confidence that we're actually going to get released? >> i think. >> some things will i don't know how much of it will. i'm a little bit cynical, laura, because we've been through so many promises with so many presidents over so many decades, and the cia was going to do this, and the fbi was going to do that. and the truth is, knowledge is power. these secrets are powerful for these groups, and there undoubtedly are people there who don't want their agencies embarrassed, even if there's no conspiracy, which happens to be pretty much my belief, even if there's no conspiracy. what you do have are agencies that didn't communicate with one another, and their incompetence and their refusal to share resulted in the death of an outstanding

president. >> is that what you think? that that shared incompetence or failure to share is what the national security risk that they have said is the reason it should not be released? >> i think that's part of it. you if you go through these documents and i have a team here that goes through everything, when you go through them, there's so many things that are redacted and they claim, oh, well, we can't reveal the methods and the people involved. hey, the people are dead. they're they're long dead. this was the 1960s, and most of them were already in their 30s, 40s, 50s, whatever. um, they're doing it, as i said, to avoid embarrassment. and a lot of things were destroyed. that's what's really important to know. between 1963 and 1992, when the jfk records act was, was passed and signed by president george h.w. bush, that's a that's three decades. they had three

decades to destroy things, and a lot of things were destroyed. and we can already pinpoint some of them. >> well, you know, a lot of people still ask that question, where were you when jfk was shot? which, of course means that they might have some recollection of or there are people who might be intimately involved or know more information. i think that's part of their concern. but i know you're managing expectations, and i appreciate that as a lawyer to manage expectations. but there's also thoughts that the cia may have had some involvement in some kind, not just an embarrassment, that there is something that would stain the institutions as well or implicate. is it possible that the files would reveal any evidence of what people have thought about potential involvement of our own government? >> well, it's certainly possible. that's what rfk jr.. believes. and he's the one who motivated trump to do this. uh, i don't think he has any particular evidence that the rest of us haven't seen or heard about at this point, but maybe i'm wrong. uh, we'll see once the materials come out, but i. i doubt you're going to see that again, because even if

it were true, those documents, that information has been destroyed a long time ago. and would an agency like the the cia write down a list of their coconspirators to assassinate a president and keep it? i somehow i don't think that ever happened. >> i love a rhetorical question. i happen to agree with the cynicism in that particular aspect of it. yet and still, this remains a fascination for the nation. an assassination of a president, the legacy of the kennedy family. we see it very much now. somebody being able to possibly be a member of the cabinet of this administration. is this a symbolic gesture then, that is happening, or is there any thing that you are looking to see that might not be obvious contained in that particular set of documents? >> well, because we've been over so many of them and many have been released, but again, they have redacted pieces that are critical. when you read them and then you see the redacted

sign, it's right at a moment when you actually learn something. so if they're serious about releasing these documents and taking out the redactions and putting in the real world a real words, yes, i think we'll learn some things that may not be directly about who killed this one and who killed that one, but it may be about how the u.s. conducted foreign policy and domestic policy in those days. and that's critical, too. >> not just for the former president, but also for the reverend martin luther king jr., as well. um, robert f. kennedy, to name just two more examples of information that we'd like to learn more about. larry sabato, thank you so much for joining. >> thank you, laura. >> ahead, a movie about a cartel leader transitioning from a man to a woman gets the most oscar nominations. at the same time, the white house is trying to shut out, shut the door on gender conversations. conversations is. this is not a very subtle message coming from hollywood, is it?

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odutola. oh my god. oh, dude. whoa, man. damn it man. i mean, look, you know, i know you don't blame me. i mean, you know, i'm just telling you, i i'm. tell your mom i said sorry. i apologize profusely. it's a beautiful name. >> she's watching. >> so. and now you know what? she's going to call you. i'll answer the phone. i'm sorry. ma'am. pete. dominick. there you go. i'm messing up his name too. on purpose. just now. just to make it even. let me go with you, pete. trump picked three actors as special ambassadors, including mel gibson, to bring business back to hollywood. is hollywood setting a bit of a message, though? right now? >> absolutely. >> and by. >> the way, i mean, let's just not forget what mel gibson said. the n word, like a whole bunch of times. like he's a terrible, terrible person spreading conspiracy theories. he's a real bad guy. and let's be clear about that for sure. and what he believes and what he supports. but hollywood's definitely sending a message. i mean, what we saw at the golden globes where there wasn't much politics, that was before trump retook office, before this descent

into chaos and authoritarianism. you called it a cultural reset. some people are calling it a vibe shift. this is not that's way to tame. this is a billionaire communal grift, not a vibe shift. what we're seeing right now happening has to be pushed back on by artists, by creative people, by filmmakers. and there's a lot of deep concern that these billionaires that own and now run amazon and apple and the movie studios are not going to produce these films because they're scared of this authoritarian. this is a real dangerous period. so creative people have to fight back. >> well, these these films have already been made. they didn't know who was going to win the election. and yet it feels like a real moment to have this particular topic, especially with emilia pérez being the leader of the oscar nominations at that point. >> yes. it's historic, laura. >> and, you know, art has always found its way to be subversive and found a way to kind of, you know, call attention to what's going on in the real world. and this when, when karla, sofia carson

walks across that stage, whether she wins just to have her name mentioned with those other actresses, it says something to where the country hopefully could go with its open mindedness. and i think that, you know. look at the apprentice, right. trump fought to make sure that that wouldn't you know, he was trying to make sure that it wouldn't get made. and now you have two actors that are nominated for it, one who played him and then mark strong succession following in succession and going from emmy win to possibly an oscar win. so it's again, art is being subversive in its own subtle ways, and i'm here for it. right? i think messages need to be made and need to be said, whether loudly and subtly, but they have to be said. and i think the oscars are trying to do that. i mean, 13 nominations for a musical narco movie, when have we ever seen that? so history will be made and statements should be said. >> i mean, speaking of the apprentice, by the way, pete, i mean, here's what one of the producers told me about how difficult it was to even

release that film. >> donald trump hadn't seen the movie when he. >> made threats against. >> us in. >> during the. >> cannes film. >> festival. >> but what he did do. >> is he deterred, you know. >> he threatened any. >> distributor who would dare to bring the movie to audiences. >> so if trump scared off distributors, how do you think he might react if the movie wins an oscar? pete. >> well, he'll probably uh, he'll be outraged and he'll make threats. i mean, yesterday he said they should take msnbc off the air. he's talking about networks, talking about movie studios, newspapers. he wants to control everything and anything that in any way is critical of him. he wants to prevent them from being able to broadcast. i mean, by the way, this movie, laura, is so, so good. everybody should go see the apprentice to see the effect that roy cohn. if you want to know why donald trump behaves the way he did, it's because his mentor taught him all these terrible behaviors. it's a very good film. and i'm really worried about those types of art being made now, because they need a lot of money to make them. >> so i'll give you the last

word because i butchered your beautiful last name. what do you think? last time we talked the oscars, you said it should turn into a fundraiser for the fire victims in and around l.a. they're going to keep calm and carry on. in this instance, should they? >> i don't think they should. i've always said that they shouldn't. but it is hollywood. it's show business and the show must go on. what i do hope with some of these nominations and the fact that there will be no musical acts, which again bothers me, we won't get to see a36 mafia do. it's hard out here for a pimp. i was hoping to see some of these musical acts. maybe they'll take that time and they'll raise money. they'll draw attention to the people really affected. and even if a, you know, carlos sofia carson can win, i'd love to hear what she has to say when she touches that microphone. i'd love to hear what if mark strong wins or if sebastian stan >> business that are in front of

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