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>> yeah, pam and hegseth did seem to confirm that these executive orders are in the works. when he spoke to reporters just a short time ago here at the pentagon. look, these are aimed at transgender service members as well as gutting die programs from the military and finally reinstating service members who were discharged from the military because they refused to get the covid vaccine. now, in terms of the transgender ban, this is something that president trump issued during his first administration back in 2017. he barred transgender service members from actively serving in the military. that was then overturned by president biden. and now it seems as though this is going to be reinstated. however, it remains to be seen exactly how the department is actually going to carry out this policy. are currently serving transgender service members going to be ejected from the military? it is also unclear just how many service members are going to be kicked out, or if there are going to be any exceptions to this, but we

should note that this does seem to go a little bit further than previous executive orders on this issue. and it says here in a fact sheet that we obtained from the white house that it can take a minimum of 12 months for an individual to complete treatment after transition surgery, which often involves the use of heavy narcotics. now, the white house is arguing that because of that, these service members should not be allowed to be in the military, and so it remains to be seen again just how this is going to play out. but that is the one that is arguably the most consequential here, because it could affect the upwards of 14,000 transgender service members currently serving in the u.s. military. pam. >> all right. natasha bertrand, thank you so much. and joining us now for more on this is minnesota state representative lee fink, the first transgender member of the state's legislature. thank you so much for coming on. so you just heard natasha sort of lay this out. unlike 2017, this new order on transgender people serving in the military goes further by outlining standards

regarding gender pronouns. it's unclear if this ban would have exceptions for transgender service members already serving, something that a pentagon memo recommended. during the ban, trump implemented in his first term. but what do you think about this effort? >> thank you. >> so much for the invitation, pamela. i think the same thing about this effort that i do with the previous executive orders that the president issued, which is that these are glorified press releases meant to scare people and to create uncertainty, meant to push people towards discrimination of transgender people and will be very difficult to enforce, will take upwards of a year to figure out if this is even going to be possible. and in the meantime, it's going to expose trans folks and make our lives more difficult, unnecessarily. >> a white house official told me that basically, this order today will direct the dod to figure out the readiness of transgender service members. and in response to the question of what's going to happen to them, the thousands. and in this order, it talked about, you

know, it talked about that that, you know, raising the question of whether transgender service members have the readiness or whether they should be banned from the military. what do you say to that? >> i would say that there is no evidence anywhere that has been presented that transgender service members are anything but qualified to be a part of our military service. the military is the largest employer of transgender americans. you heard up to 14,000. 15,000 members identify as trans and 56 of our retired generals have said that our trans members are ready to serve. they are fit to serve. this will only make our military less ready to serve by taking 15,000 people who volunteered out of service. >> so the order also talks about, as natasha noted, this fact sheet. it said it can take

a minimum of 12 months for an individual to complete treatments after transition transition surgery, which often involves the use of heavy narcotics. during this period. they are not physically capable of meeting military readiness, readiness requirements and require ongoing medical care. this is not conducive for deployment or other readiness requirements. um, i want to get your response to that. but also, i spoke to chris beck on the phone this morning. you may remember him. he was a navy seal who became a transgender woman, and then he transitioned back. he told me he agrees what president trump is doing and said, quote, they're 100% unfit for duty. they're on pills in different surgeries, and you have complications with surgeries you cannot deploy even if you have tooth issues. i'm curious, what do you say to all of that? >> i would say that those are decisions that are best made by doctors and patients, including military doctors. this is

another version of our political discriminatory maga republicans trying to use pseudoscience to discriminate against an entire demographic of people. if individuals are, um, prescribed a medication by their doctors and that medication does or does not interfere with their ability to do their work, then that is something that those patients and their doctors should be discussing. it is not something to be releasing via executive order that is essentially unenforceable. creating panic and fear at a time when we do not need to do that. if if doctors in the military are going to make policy for their patients, we can have a conversation about that. but a blanket discriminatory practice against an entire demographic of people is uncalled for. and it's irresponsible. >> from your personal experience, though, what was it like for you to transition? because as you note in this fact sheet from the white house, it it says it takes a minimum of 12 months for an individual to

complete treatments after transition surgery. was that what your experience was? >> i don't talk about my personal, um. transition medical experience. that is an incredibly personal experience, and it is not something that can be created. a blanket policy cannot be created to address the personal experience of transition. not only is it irresponsible and degrading to our personal lived experience, but it misunderstands the very idea of transition and what it means for us to exist as full human participants in our culture. whether or not an individual chooses to have surgery, whether or not an individual chooses to disclose every element of their personal experience or medical history with the public or the president, these are matters that do not need to be aired in the way that they are being aired. it is simply a

discriminatory tactic to isolate single out trans people and punish us for our participation in society. >> so since donald trump reentered office, has your experience changed, especially in the wake of some of these executive orders you alluded to? um, last week he rolled back protections for transgender people, such as segregating federal prisons by sex assigned at birth and only recognizing two sexes, saying that they are not changeable. how has that impacted you? >> it has impacted me, um, personally, as i think it has all trans people in this country, because these are not executive orders that change the laws of the united states. they are intended to create a public terrorism campaign against our community. and of course, i have felt that as a public facing advocate for trans rights in minnesota and across the country, um, the intention of this is not to change the law

immediately because he simply cannot do that. the intention of this is to create panic, to get media to repeat all of the dangers that we face over and over, to make sure that people think twice about participating in the public space. and as a leader in the trans community, i will not be pushed out and i will continue to advocate and and as a result of that, i would say that i have had a very hard week. >> minnesota state representative larry fink, i'm sorry to hear that you've had such a hard week. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for the invitation. >> up next, how an unknown chinese startup company is sending shock waves through u.s. stock markets and has the nasdaq plunging. this is a huge story. stick around for this. >> this part changed my life. >> superman. crazy. just that simple little thing over the horse.

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did a one year old a.i. startup company from china rattle the markets like this? >> yeah, pamela it's stunning. and i'll one up you there. the company is only about a year old, but this specific model, it's only been around for a week. so what's happened is that deep tech has come up with this new a.i. technology that is competitive with the newest and best a.i. models on the market right now, and that is really surprising investors. and i would imagine officials in washington, because what's happened is that this company says that they were able to build this new model at just a fraction of the cost of what it actually normally would cost to build some of these a.i. models. deep sea says it only costs $5.6 million to build this new model. that is a drop in the bucket to the hundreds of millions of dollars that the other a.i. companies says that it costs. and this new model launched, like i said, about a week ago, but it's already at

the top of the charts on the apple app store, leading the way, surpassing chatgpt in terms of most downloaded apps. and the reason why this is really unnerving investors is because it is making people kind of question some of the conventional wisdom here, one, that you need to spend gobs of money to develop the best a.i. technology. and to do that, you need access to the top of the line most expensive computer chips. because remember, the biden administration imposed these export restrictions on those computer chips, preventing them from going to china. so that's raising questions about how this startup was able to do that. and it's also causing nvidia's stock price to plunge. now nvidia has been one of the superstars of the a.i. boom. it's gone so high in the last few years. but look at this down 14.5% today. it's lost more than $400 billion in market value. listen, there have been concerns, pamela, leading up to this sell off, that some of the gains in the market had

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essentially using military assets to repatriate migrants, among other efforts. now, columbia has taken a lot of deportation flights on civilian aircraft. but what the colombian president appeared to take issue with was the fact that they were returning on military aircraft. now, i will tell you, pamela, i reviewed documents that showed that colombian officials had okayed migrants being returned on military military flights. so this sudden post by the colombian president on sunday really caught both the trump administration officials by surprise, but also those within the colombian government, which led to this feud that has played out between the united states and colombia. now, that included the threats of tariffs by president trump and then the colombian president, also threatening his own retaliatory measures against the u.s. while they did ultimately cut a deal, and this deal includes these flights that i'm telling you about with these two government planes coming to collect migrants who crossed the us-mexico border, who are colombian, to return them. colombia has also agreed to take civilian and military

aircraft that have deportees. and i'm also told that part of this agreement was that they would reinforce what is known as the darien gap. that's a treacherous jungle where migrants cross as they make their way to the united states. that has been a clear focus for this administration and the biden administration in trying to stem the flow of migrants. so all of this really coming together in hours after what was an unexpected push by the colombian president or pushed back by the colombian president on these flights. >> wow. i mean, just to see this all play out in the public and this the capitulation in the end by colombia. extraordinary. thank you so much, priscilla alvarez. and we have two lawmakers who are critically involved in enforcing these immigration policies. democratic congressman joaquin castro of texas and republican congressman carlos gimenez. thank you both for your time this morning. i want to begin with you, congressman gimenez. you represent florida, including part of miami-dade county. i first want to get your reaction to what priscilla just laid out there that colombia is now

sending two of its planes to pick up some of the colombians who are here illegally. >> thank you. it's going to save american taxpayers some money that our military planes won't have to go to colombia to return them. colombian citizens back to colombia if they want to pick them up in their own military planes. i think that's fi saves us taxpayer money. so i'm. i'm okay with that. >> so i.c.e. >> is reporting nearly 1000 arrests of undocumented migrants just yesterday alone. are you surprised by how quickly this crackdown has accelerated? >> no, not at all. i mean, that's what president trump ran on. and he is, you know, a you know, he's complying with his promises and his campaign promises were that he's going to control the border and that he is going. those that have deportation orders are going to be taken back to their country of origin. and so, yeah, he's he's just coming through with his promises. and so it doesn't surprise me at all. the action and the quick action and the totally different action that

this administration has taken versus the previous administration. >> is your office looped in at all on these activities? what are you hearing from your constituents on the immigration crackdown? >> um, look, most of my constituents are fine. my constituents are here legally. they want legal immigration. they're not in favor of illegal immigration. and if somebody has a deportation order. my constituents are fine with those people being deported back to their country of origin. >> so sources tell cnn that ice field offices have been given a quota. at least 75 arrests a day. we should note that border czar tom homan says there isn't a quota, but a former ice chief counsel has concerns about that. this is paul hunter telling the washington post, quote, quotas will incentivize ice officers to arrest the easiest people to arrest, rather than the people that are dangerous non-citizens. i've just never heard of that. end quote. are you concerned

about the use of quotas? >> well, tom homan says there are no quotas. >> right? well, we have we've been talking. >> to says there's no quotas. so why are we talking about quotas? when when the person in charge is, let's say this quota. >> so tom homan says that sources told my colleague priscilla alvarez that there that that ice agents have been told there are quotas. that is the case. are you ncerd?o quotas risk losing sight of the fact that these are people, not numbers? >> no. look, i don't believe that there is quotas. and so i'm not going to say, hey, sources say which sources? who are they? >> so you. >> don't believe there should be? tell us who you are. >> should you not? do you not believe there should be? >> no, no, i think. >> i think. >> that no, no, i think ice needs to do their job, period. there shouldn't be a quota. just like i don't think there should be quotas for writing tickets or traffic tickets and stuff. and so yeah, i think there should be no quotas and people just ought to do their job. and homeland security needs to do their job. and deport the people that have deportation

orders in an orderly fashion. and that's the way it should happen. >> so you said deport people with deportation orders in an orderly fashion. there are concerns, as you've heard, i'm sure, from other countries, including brazil, about the way that these deportation flights have been handled. brazil condemned the trump administration's handling of repatriated migrants on these flights, calling their treatment degrading. i want to listen. i want you to listen to what one person said about this and talk about that at the other end. let's listen. >> uyghur they attacked the kids. i sat there until i reached my limit. i couldn't take it anymore. people fainted. i asked to leave and he choked me. he pulled my handcuffs. i couldn't stay because i was handcuffed on my feet and stomach. there was nothing i could do. the security guard's arm started bleeding because he was pulling my chain, squeezing me. >> that was a brazilian deported from the u.s. we should note for our viewers, we have not been able to independently verify that.

but as you just heard from that, that brazilian that if that treatment happened, as he said. is that acceptable to you? >> listen, it all depends. depends on this. the brazilian look, we are deporting a lot of criminals that were convicted here in the united states, and we're deporting them back to their country of origin. justice. that's number one priority. and so if they are indeed criminals, yeah, they're going to be handcuffed and then they're going to be shipped back to their country of origin. look, everybody should be treated with dignity. everybody should be treated the right way. but, you know, i don't know who this person. treating migrants supposedly back in his first term, they turn out to be bogus. so i'm not going to comment on this until i find out it's really true. >> i want to ask you about something that you said recently in an interview talking about drug cartels. you said they should be wiped off the face of the earth. what do you mean by that? specifically? >> i mean that they need to be eliminated as a threat to

american citizens. they've been killing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of american citizens and been doing it with impunity. they've now been labeled a terrorist organization, which they should have been labeled a terrorist organization a long time ago. hey, look, you know, al qaeda came to the united states and they killed 3000 americans in a tragic, you know, what happened in nine over 11. and we went halfway around the world to eliminate them. we've got cartels that are killing hundreds of thousands of americans, tens of thousands of americans every year, right across the border with impunity. yeah. we need to protect american citizens. and so they need to pay the. >> price to. >> do that. then no we cannot. how do you do that? >> how do. >> you do it. >> with an ally, you know, sovereign country? how how do you handle that? >> i'll be happy to. >> tell you for sure. >> i'll be happy to tell you. okay. pick up the phone and call the president of mexico and say, hey, this situation across the border we can't tolerate. we're not going to tolerate it anymore because your people, your cartels, are killing tens of thousands of americans. and it's our number one duty is to

protect american citizens. and if you can't do it, then i guess we're going to have to take things into our hands and do it ourselves. >> but what does that look like? dropping bombs. i mean, what does that look like? >> it looks like it looks like taking measures to eliminate the threat to american citizens. >> all right. congressman carlos gimenez, thank you so much. >> it's my pleasure. >> democratic congressman joaquin castro joins us now. he represents san antonio, which was on president trump's initial list of immigration targets. first, i want to get your reaction to what you just heard from your republican colleague, congressman gimenez. >> well, i mean, i think that americans. want a few things. they want a secure border. >> they want. >> safe communities, and they want a prosperous economy. and the problem with what donald trump is doing now is that he's causing chaos rather than addressing those things. so, for example, look, i think that. >> people generally. >> agree if you have a convicted. >> felon. >> they should. >> be deported. >> there isn't a debate about

that. that's what president obama did. that's what president biden did. that's what president trump did in his first term. but president trump specifically. removed the biden executive. order that said that criminals should. >> be prioritized. >> so what happens then is that he wants permission for ice agents, where he's directing ice agents to go into schools, to go into churches, to go into hospitals. the reason that he wants a quota is. >> because this is. >> in some ways a big show. this chaos is a big reality tv show. he had doctor phil over there in chicago at the ice raids. doctor phil, the tv guy, was at the immigration ice raids. and so this is all created a lot of chaos. it's like with the colombia situation, these deportation flights have been going to countries like colombia for years and years. and, you know, when the colombian president reacted, whoever was right or wrong, when the colombian president reacted because it was military planes and perhaps he heard that, that the folks that

were detained weren't being treated properly. you can solve that easily with a phone call. you don't have to go up on twitter and threaten, you know, 25% tariffs or 50% tariffs or whatever it is. everything he's doing is creating chaos, and it's making the united states weaker in the world without making us safer. >> what would you say, though, to to the white house, who would likely argue to what you just said? look, because of what president trump did, now colombia is sending two planes and saving taxpayer dollars. we worked out a deal that was even better for us in the end. what do you say to that? >> look, it's true. we may save $20,000. and yet it would. you would be hard pressed to find a nation in south america that's been a greater friend of the united states than colombia. to give you an example, most countries in south america over the last ten years or so have started to do more trade with china than the united states. colombia is one of the few countries that

still does a lot more trade with the united states than with china, and so you've got literally one of your best allies and partners that really likes the united states. and you've got a president who is going out there and antagonizing them. and i'll tell you what's going to happen is that all of these countries that he's making threats to, whether it's denmark, canada, mexico, panama, colombia, they're going to start to talk to each other. they're going to start to start to figure out how in the coming years, you sideline the united states from their economies. so instead of hiring united states suppliers and businesses and welcoming united states trade, they're going to figure out how they can do it with china, with european nations and with each other in latin america. and in the end, the united states is going to be weaker. >> i want to talk about the immigration raids we saw over the weekend and circle back to that. and i'm wondering if you've been able to determine what sort of crimes i.c.e. focused on. it said that it was primarily focused on those who were here illegally and who have

criminal records. and do you know if anyone was detained that doesn't have a criminal record? >> well, yeah, i mean, that case out of newark, new jersey, where they detained a u.s. citizen, i think folks should understand the history of mass deportations in the united states. there were two, at least two major mass deportation campaigns in u.s. history. one of them was called operation, which is a slur against mexicans, but also one during the great depression. and during those years, there were between 1 million and 2 million u.s. citizens who ended up being deported to mexico. so those were people that had every right to be here. now, i'm not suggesting that you're going to end up with a million people that are back in mexico who are u.s. citizens, but there's no way that you can conduct this kind of chaotic mass deportation raid across the country using quotas, where you're saying, hey, every day you've got to go out there and round up a certain number of bodies. there's no way you're going to be able to do that without infringing upon the

rights of u.s. citizens and permanent residents who have a right to be here. >> and we should note our reporting from sources is that ice was given this quota. tom homan, the border czar says there is no quota just to put that information out there to our viewers. i want to go to the polls here on what americans think. i think it's really important, as we have these conversations, to really check in on, on what americans believe. and our harry enten says that when you look at the polling from december 2024 until now, in the week trump has been in office, 37% of people believe the u.s. is on the right track on immigration. that is a 20 plus percent jump from the month prior. so bottom line here is that americans are liking what trump is doing more than what biden did when it comes to immigration and cracking down. what do you say to that? >> well, first, i think you said 37%. if you step back, 37% is still not a great number by any measure. but look, like i said, i think that people generally they want a secure border. there's no question about that. they want to be safe in their

communities, but they also want an economy that is prosperous. and the fact is there there are 4 or 5 major american industries, whether it's in texas, in arizona and florida, wherever you go in the country, in the midwest, 4 or 5 industries that would not exist and would not prosper the way they do, but for immigrant labor. so this has to be done in a way that is fair, that is respectful of human beings, and that doesn't go into places like schools or churches just to traumatize people. i mean, who who in a first grade class is sitting there that is a terrorist or who's sitting there in third grade that is a criminal. and so, you know, he's used this chaos, i think, for political benefit. but i don't believe that it's made the country safer or more prosperous. >> really quickly, before you go, i want your reaction to what governor abbott of texas is doing, adding another 400 members of the texas national guard to the us-mexico border.

what do you think? >> well, look, you know, texas has the longest border of any state in the nation. with mexico, we've got 1200 miles of border. so immigration and border security, those are always going to be top of mind for texans. and they should be. but if you look at what what greg abbott has done with operation lone star, he sent in guardsmen who received no training on how to be at the border, how to do that work, who received inadequate conditions, housing and so forth. and as a result, there was something like 17 guardsmen who committed suicide as part of operation lone star. >> oh, just froze democratic congressman joaquin castro of texas. we just lost a signal there in his final answer. still ahead, more news. one of those flights, congressman castro was just mentioning just touched down in guatemala city. we're going to take you there live next. >> for generations, this ally to

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reintegration process. and we're just going to be careful with faces here, too. but let me just show you over here. this is where they're walking up and getting any sort of necessities, some snacks, toiletries. they have everything from crocs to t-shirts, shoelaces. because if you notice many of them. here, i'll show you this right down here. he doesn't have shoelaces on because that's part of the standard procedure for security to remove anything that could be used as a weapon or self harm. and they've even got toothpaste and some other snacks. i see them putting their fingerprints down, and then a lot of them come over this way and they start charging their phones. i'll just move these sticks over here so you can come around here, jerry. and that's when they're able to. then try to finally reconnect with relatives and loved ones who might come to this space to pick them up. now, as they're being registered in by you can see this is some of the organizations that are that are helping in trying to get them sorted. and essentially processed back into guatemala.

they'll then come over to this portion and they've got some of their belongings here. i mean, i can see a guitar case. you can see these are almost like potato sacks that have some of their belongings and stapled together. and then inside, i've seen everything from wawa wrappers to cvs receipts. so things that were just in their pockets that they emptied before boarding. >> wow. and you also spoke to the vice president, right, of guatemala. what did she say? >> so, yeah, so the vice president welcomed this group here. it's interesting because they leave the u.s. as criminals, because they illegally entered. and so that's now why they're being deported back here to guatemala. and the vice president made a point to say that, obviously, this is a complicated situation. she tried to redirect it mostly to the migrants and what their situation is. but i asked about relations between the u.s. and guatemala, especially for what we saw in the past 24 hours with colombia. and she said, look,

that's colombia's situation. the u.s. and guatemala have their own relationship. so she was trying to be very careful in how she navigated that. i also asked, as we kind of walk around here, i want to give you another sense of some of this. i also asked about what's different essentially between what happened the past four years under president biden and what's changed since under president trump, as far as the numbers and the capacity of folks who have been deported, that has not changed. according to the vice president. that's still the same for what we saw under president biden. in fact, in some cases, it's even gone down a little bit. what has changed, though, pamela, is the use of military flights. and that began last thursday here to guatemala. and it's continuing with another military aircraft that will bring another round of deportees here to this airport in about 2 or 3 hours from now. >> yeah, i think that that's really important context, that there hasn't been some big change other than, as you point out, the use of military flights. again, we'll see how this plays out over the next weeks and months and so forth in the trump administration. david

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