very difficult because to reconcile that that man can be so cruel, so like an animal really changes your way of thinking of mankind and life daily. i know that people can turn on you, can turn on you because of a label. >> the the 13 year old girl that you were. do you still feel that little girl at times, or did you bury her early on? >> you know, that's a good question. that's really a very good question. i am stuck there. i am really stuck there. and that's really the biggest fight. and and that's where all the, the grief is. >> have you been able to cry in

subsequent years? >> still not. still not. you know, people say broken heart. the heart keeps working. but the soul never forgets. there is a soul that does not forget any of it. it's imprinted on the soul that keeps. the memory, the pain, the grief. it's just always there. >> the soul never forgets. nor should we. irene weiss, auschwitz survivor, now 94. she's remarkable. you can listen to the full interview on my podcast, all there is, wherever you get your podcasts or watch the full video interview on the cnn channel on youtube. the news continues right here on cnn. >> out front tonight, the breaking news fire. trump purging. >> the prosecutors. >> who worked with special counsel jack smith. and tonight trump ordering a new investigation into january 6th.

prosecutors. also breaking tonight ramping up those raids. trump reportedly is not happy with the number of migrants being detained. wants it to go up. as we are learning tonight, new details of what's happening inside those raids. one woman, whose cousin was detained at his restaurant job this weekend, is out front. and elon musk cozying up to a far right german party whose leaders have used nazi rhetoric. a major tesla investor is not happy with musk. he's my guest. let's go out front and good evening, i'm erin burnett. an out front on this monday. the breaking news, the trump purge. president trump firing more than a dozen justice department officials who worked on the investigations into trump and his role on january 6th. so i'll just show you the termination letter. it's blunt. it leaves no doubt the motivation. it starts off from the acting attorney general. this letter provides official notice you are being removed from your position, effective immediately. the attorney general, acting attorney general then continues

to write. you played a significant role in prosecuting president trump. given your significant role in prosecuting the president? i do not believe that the leadership of the department can trust you to assist in implementing the president's agenda faithfully. now, keep in mind the people who were working on this case, as far as is understood at this time, were veteran career officials, not political appointees. people, you know who had a career at the department of justice, right. so their job isn't to politically uphold anybody. their job is to do what they were assigned to do, and they were carrying out orders given to them by the special counsel, jack smith. excuse me, but trump has been obsessed with the doj's investigation into his actions, as you know, and he spoke about it just moments ago to house republicans. >> i was investigated. >> more than. >> any human. >> being in history. scarface was not investigated as much as your president was investigated, and it turned out to be a positive thing for me. can you believe it? it turned out to be. we got a lot of votes. i think we got a lot of votes because. because they saw

it was weaponization. it was a fight against a political opponent. >> trump wants those who took him and his supporters on to pay again, even if they were career people assigned to work in a case. so in addition to firing those who worked in his january 6th case, he has ordered his administration. so firing not not it. wright also wants an investigation into the prosecutors who investigated the january 6th defendants. so doing a formal investigation there and those january 6th pardons. at the heart of that are, of course, the men and women from january 6th and scenes like that, that trump is now pardoned. and tonight's breaking news comes just just a couple days here after the white house in the middle of the night, fired 17 inspectors general. now, inspectors general, are the government watchdogs basically tasked with rooting out fraud and corruption. now, this move may have actually been illegal because trump did not notify congress. and he has to do that 30 days before removing them. that's required by law. he did not do that in this case. so this one we will see what

happens here. it has been one of trump's staunchest allies, though his supporters in the senate, senator chuck grassley, demanding answers. in a statement. he says trump owes them an explanation. now, grassley is a diehard trump supporter at this point. so for him to call this out, it's not nothing. but grassley may be waiting a while because trump made it clear during the campaign that, well, this is what this is about. >> well, revenge does take time. i will say that it does. and sometimes revenge can be justified that was an interview with doctor phil. >> of course, now that he's in charge. well, so far these moves are revenge. that is not taking long at all. jeff zeleny is out front, live outside the white house. so, jeff, you know, i understand there are certain positions in the justice department, political appointees that when you get a new president, they flip over. right. these, though in many cases are quite different, whether it is in terms of the process with which

they are being handled or the people who are being targeted. in the case of the january 6th investigations, how unusual is all of this? >> well. >> erin, this is incredibly unusual. >> and by this i mean everything. >> of course. >> there has never. >> been a. >> case like this in modern. >> time where there has been. >> a president. >> who was. >> charged, investigated. >> and of course. >> come back to office. >> so this. >> is one more example. we are one. >> week into the trump administration. >> tonight. it was tonight, one. >> week ago when he was walking to the oval office for the. >> very first time. >> and now these firings, as well as the wave of firings over the weekend, as you said. so no, it is not unusual at all. and this. >> is why. >> the language that you are reading in that letter there so important to focus on the faithfully implement the president's agenda, that is not the traditional role of the department of justice. that is not what these career prosecutors and attorneys normally do. however, in this case, it is very clear. the president, thinking back to his

first term in office, where one of his biggest mistakes, he still believes, was appointing jeff sessions, the attorney general, his first attorney general, because he recused himself. and that is something that the president has never forgotten or forgiven. so this now is hanging over all of this and infusing. it's one more example, perhaps the biggest example of what the president has learned his second time in office here. so they are not wasting any time. his acting attorney general did this a pam bondi the attorney general nominee, who likely will be confirmed perhaps this week, does not have to do any of this. it will be done before she arrives at the department of justice. so yes, it is incredibly unusual. it is not surprising, though, to say the least. but the question is, these are career prosecutors, so they are protected by some type of of a civil service law there. so we will see if there is any fallout from that. they are government employees. but now, uh, the president obviously does not want them at the department of justice. and it seems they've been fired.

>> all right. effective, effective immediately. there is no ambiguity about what they're trying to do here. it's a very short letter, as has, of course, jeff, and has seen just again, so everyone can look at it themselves. thank you, jeff zeleny. so let's go now to former democratic congressman mondaire jones, who served in the department of justice under then-president obama, the host of pbs's firing line, margaret hoover and former republican congressman ken buck, also a former federal prosecutor under three administrations, democratic and republican. so appreciate having you all here, because putting context around this is so crucial to understand what really is abnormal and what people should be deeply concerned about. so, congressman jones, how troubling are these firings? >> well, they're. >> very troubling. in 1973, when richard nixon was president, they had the saturday night massacre. well, in 2025, we have the friday night massacre, in this case, the president of the united states firing 17 inspectors general, whose sole purpose is to root out corruption in various

departments and agencies. i mean, this is something that trump said that he wanted to do when he said he wanted to drain the swamp. but it's critical to understand that these firings are a prerequisite to the authoritarianism that we want, that this president wants to implement. i mean, to have no one who's independent investigating his own corruption at these various departments and agencies, especially given the kind of people he's been nominating to lead these departments and agencies, is exactly the kind of thing you would expect an authoritarian to do. >> so, congressman buck, to this, i just want to read part of the letter from the acting attorney general again, because they're trying to get this done before pam bondi comes in, effective immediately, and then continues to say, you played a significant role in prosecuting president trump, given your significant role in prosecuting the president? i do not believe that the leadership of the department can trust you to assist in implementing the president's agenda faithfully. now, congressman buck, you served under. as i said, republican and democratic administrations in

the justice department, i'm curious what you think about this. these were career justice department employees, as we understand, which would mean that their job is not to uphold the president's agenda. they're doing what they were assigned to do. in this case, it was to work on these investigations. so what's your what's your reaction to what we're seeing here in black and white? >> the justice department is not the president's law firm. the justice. department seeks justice, the duty of the justice department. >> is to the american. >> people and to. >> this country and to the constitution. >> for the. president. or, you know, we. >> have an acting attorney general making the. decision right now. for for. >> that order to come down, firing career prosecutors is is unique in my mind for political reasons, is unique and is wrong. and you know, this president came into office with a honeymoon and he came into office with a mandate to work on immigration, not to

seek this. what appears to be retribution. >> margaret. i mean retribution. >> congressman. >> buck, you're. >> exactly right. i couldn't agree with you more. >> we all. >> know, and we. >> have known and been reminded. >> throughout the course of our history that the department of justice is not the president's personal lawyer. we also know that it is not the job of the justice department to ensure that its civil servants faithfully implement the president's agenda. >> their job. >> at the department of justice is to faithfully enforce the law of the united states of america and the constitution of the united states of america, and republicans know better. republicans in the house of representatives who are down there in mar-a-lago, not in mar-a-lago. i'm sorry, they're at a different trump property. i don't feel like giving it an advertisement right now, but they are. they know better. and the house of representatives, your former colleagues, both of you have become a fully owned subsidiary of trump inc.. and in the senate, they're afraid to stand up to him. mostly, especially the ones who know better because they have been threatened with primaries funded by elon musk if they know any

better. a u.s. senator told me that, uh, you know, an unnamed u.s. senator, that if republicans don't endorse and don't support the trump's nominees to his cabinet, they will be primaried and elon musk will pay for the primaries. >> so, congressman buck, can i ask you in that context, what we heard from senator grassley, who, you know, in recent years has has staunchly supported trump's efforts? okay. and i and i say that because that is why what he's saying now stands out in a statement, says trump owes them an explanation. i mean, does any of that does any of that matter? does it does it matter to anyone, even in the senate, to hear that? grassley at least, is kind of raising a finger? >> oh, i think. >> a lot of senators are raising fingers. i won't say which finger, but they're raising fingers privately about some of the president's actions. i do think that, you know, the there was a debate during my time in congress whether inspector

generals should be moved over to the general accounting office or some office like that, and be under the control of congress as opposed to the control of the executive branch. it's a very interesting debate. and i think this this president has triggered that debate to to start again, and we'll see how it how it's resolved. >> so, congressman jones, you know, he he says, you know, that they're being fired because they will not assist in implementing the president's agenda faithfully. again, not their job of of the career appointees there at all. and trump is speaking out tonight and doing something he often very successfully does. right. which is when he does something, saying that he is taking care of the fact that other people were doing it. here he is. >> i also signed an. >> order to end the weaponization of our government against the american people and investigate. all abuses. >> of power. >> so, congressman jones, from the perspective of democrats, is there anything productive or

proactive that democrats can do at this point in this context? >> well, first of all, i think it's really important for democrats in congress to remind the american people that their number one issue, which is the economy, is not being addressed. we have not heard any real pretense of an effort by this new administration to lower the cost of eggs and gas. and, you know, you name it. instead, we've heard, you know, threats towards denmark and panama. and obviously, we've seen the pardoning of a lot of people who assaulted police officers, among other folks. on january 6th. and now we're seeing this just coordinated effort to fire people whose sole responsibility it is to root out corruption in government. so i think reminding people of that is really important. but also the american people don't like to see corruption. i mean, they think that politicians are corrupt, but it's worth reminding people that this guy who said he's not part of the establishment, that he's not like washington, dc, is actually very much part of

that apparatus. >> congressman buck, you know, in recent days, you know, the president has referenced and people around him have referenced another term, and it's not something i've mentioned or talked about because, you know, sort of it seems silly in some contexts, but he just brought it up again a few moments ago. and i just wanted to play for you how he said it. >> i've raised a lot of money for the next race that i assume i can't use for myself, but i'm not 100% sure because i don't know. i think i'm not allowed to run again. i'm not sure. am i allowed to run again? mike, i better not get you involved in that argument. >> congressman buck, he's already the oldest president to take the office, so maybe that's something that gives people more calm than they otherwise might have. if he were ten years younger. with all of these comments that he keeps putting out there. um, what do you say to it? >> i say we should not get distracted with some of the statements that donald trump makes. he was attempting to be humorous. um, absent january 6th

and some other events in history, it may have been more humorous, but i've heard the president say something very similar at the republican national convention in 2020, when i was the state chair, republican chair in colorado. uh, i am absolutely positive that the president knows he can't run. and that was a joke. >> final word, margaret. >> you know, none of it's funny after january 6th because we've seen that he is. the constitution isn't a bar on him, and it's not a guardrail on him. he doesn't respect the constitution. he doesn't respect anything other than than strength. and so i just we can't laugh off anything that donald trump says. >> well, it's like when you talk to newt gingrich in the interview the other day and he told you who he would respect, the separation of powers, he was for trump. >> and then he said, up to a point, and unless he has to and he will respect the separation of powers and he will respect his authority, his the constitution as a check on him as much as he has to. so this i mean, this is jd vance's favorite quote from andrew jackson's chief justice. i've read the chief justice's opinion, and now i invite him to enforce the law. who will

enforce our laws? who is going to help ensure that our separation of powers and the checks and balances in this country hold out over the next four years? and it's we the people. and so this is i mean, these are these are these aren't jokes anymore. and that's that's the thing we have to take so seriously. >> all right. well, i appreciate all three of you very much. and thank you. and next, the breaking news, president trump pressing immigration officials to dramatically increase the number of people being detained in these raids, which are now taking place across the country. so a woman whose cousin was detained by agents who did not have a warrant, her cousin was undocumented, is going to be my guest. plus, elon musk embracing a german group that's used nazi rhetoric. >> i think that's like, frankly, too much of a of a focus on on past guilt. and we need to move beyond that. >> top tesla investor is out front and it's being called a sputnik moment. as china overtakes the united states, one u.s. company on the heels of it losing nearly $600 billion in value, equivalent to the value

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yeah. >> except here's the difference. >> the people in canada. >> were actors we do know that not all the people on these flights are drug lords or gang members. >> we also know ice officials have been ordered by the trump administration to majorly increase arrests. ice claimed nearly 1000 such arrests just yesterday, and that's because the washington post reports that trump is disappointed with the results so far. now the latest raids are being produced in trump fashion, sort of like a reality tv show. sources telling cnn that agents have been told to make sure they're wearing uniforms that clearly indicate the agency they're working for, in case they're captured by a camera crew. trump also allowing one of his top allies in the tv world to come along on some of these. doctor phil posting videos of himself at an ice command center in chicago, speaking to trump's border czar, tom homan doctor phil repeatedly asking homan to downplay claims that agents are raiding schools and businesses. later, the two were seen together on the streets where a migrant was allegedly arrested. >> but you've.

>> never been deported before. >> doctor phil? >> yeah. >> how do you know me? >> no, i seen i seen a doctor. phil, you know, on tv. >> that live coverage of an immigration enforcement mission is clearly what the trump administration wants out there, right? that video out front now is the san jose mayor matt mahan to start our coverage here. mayor, i appreciate your time. and i know that immigration raids have been going on in san jose. so just to try to understand and in the context of the fact that the president wants these to obviously ramp up what's happening there. what have you seen and heard? >> well, thanks for having me on, aaron. yesterday we were alerted. >> by ice that they would be carrying out an operation in san jose. we get through our police department, essentially a real time alert as a courtesy. there was no request for our department to participate, nor do we. that's not our role in local law enforcement. we know that there were at least a

couple of targeted actions in the community. we were not provided with any additional details. >> and so they don't tell you they targeted action. they don't tell you who's arrested or whether they say they're criminals or any information like that, even though it's happening in your city. >> no, there's no obligation for them to give us any information. they give our police department a courtesy. heads up before an operation so that if other residents are calling 911, our department's aware that something is happening and they don't inadvertently take action against another law enforcement agency, that tries to be a basic level of coordination. >> so you heard trump say that those on the deportation flights are filled with drug lords and gang members. as he was just speaking a few moments ago. we know that that's that's that's not the case. i mean, there are people who are not that. but i'm curious what your understanding is by and large, right? is that what it really is? i mean, what's your response to him saying that? >> well, so far the actions

yesterday appeared to be very targeted. we certainly had operations like this under the biden administration and previous administrations. my general view is if you are in our city or country and you're undocumented and you're committing serious or violent crimes, you should be deported. and i don't think that's very controversial. i don't think it's particularly controversial to say we want to have a secure border and know who or what's coming in and out of the country. at the same time, i think the federal government has failed us at a local level for decades. we have thousands of families in san jose who are otherwise law abiding, hard working, raising their children here, contributing to society. and we need a way of rationalizing, rationalizing people's existence here, bringing people out of the shadows, whether it's a pathway to citizenship, it's a work permit. it is some way of getting into a formal process and paying your dues, paying a fine, whatever it is. but we have been failed in enforcement alone isn't going to solve this problem. >> so in new york city or just outside new york city, in nassau

county, which is on long island, the county executive, bruce blakeman, told cnn in a statement today that local law enforcement will help federal enforcement in the county. you had referenced that your police get a courtesy heads up, but will your police, if asked, assist i.c.e. in rounding people up.? >> so our policy and this is true across the state of california, is that we do not have our local police officers engaged in enforcement actions that are primarily related to somebody's status or enforcing an immigration law, and that's for a very good reason. we have extremely limited police staffing. we need our community to feel comfortable calling their local 911 emergency response when there's a crime in action. we want all residents to feel comfortable being witnesses. if they witness a crime and we just don't have the capacity. nor is it our role to carry out immigration enforcement, which is its own body of law. so we don't

participate, nor have we been asked to participate. but i will say again, if someone is here committing serious or violent crime, if we have relevant information, we. our goal is to keep the community safe. so sure, san jose police department, when appropriate, will certainly coordinate with each other and share information with other law enforcement agencies if it is in the interest of keeping people safe. that's our primary duty. but we do not ask people their status or engage in immigration enforcement as routine business in our in our city. that's just not our law. our police department's role. >> all right. mayor meehan, i appreciate your time. and thank you very much. and here with me out front now on set is jennifer jimenez. her cousin was detained during the surprise sweep by ice agents at a seafood distributor in newark, new jersey. if you were watching our show on friday night, it was really minutes after that it happened and we were just getting the details on that. and you see those officers going in. so, jennifer, you have chosen to speak out, which i know is, you

know, you don't you don't do lightly. david, your cousin works at the facility that was raided, and he was there because he was at work and he was doing his job. ice shows up. city officials say without a warrant in this case. and you see them in this video going in. so what did david tell you happened next? so basically, my. >> cousin went to work like a normal day. >> he was working. >> in the back. he said the. >> officials came in without a warrant. >> of course, they came in and asked him for his i.d. he gave him. >> his i.d., they checked on the system and they took him away because he didn't have. >> any. >> case open. >> okay. >> that happened. and then they took him to the detention center, kept him there, and i lost contact with him. so that's what happened at first. and then after that, i went to go see. >> him at the detention center. >> yeah. >> not the same. >> day, the following. >> day, because the visitation hours, the hours. >> were over. he told me they came in. they took him away with two other male coworkers and

eight females. um, after that, he told me they treated him good at the detention center and everything. but it wasn't fair because he does not have any criminal record. he's a hard working man. he goes to work every day. he has no record. >> so, so, so let me ask you about that. um, you you said he'd been in the u.s. for 4 or 5 years, right? and he is. he has a job, so he's paying payroll taxes. he's paying those sorts of things. obviously, though, he's he's he's here illegally, right? i mean, he's undocumented. can you just share with me as far as you know it, jennifer, what were his hopes? what was his reason for coming here and his dream about being here? >> um, he came here four years ago to maintain his family. the main reason was his younger sister. she's not here with us anymore. she was battling with cancer, and she had. she left a two year old. without a mom and a dad. unfortunately, he came

here to pay her bills. um, because over there. ecuador. you can't make a lot of money. that was his main reason in coming here. and four months after he came here, she passed away sadly. >> and he's taken care of that. the baby. the baby? >> yeah. >> so he's raising that child? yeah. alone on this job that he had at the seafood distributor? yeah. so when you hear people say, and, you know, including obviously those who are now enforcing this, that, well, he is a criminal because he broke the law to come here, but that's a crime. how do you respond to that? >> i don't think those people that are commenting that understand why they are coming here. i feel like, yeah. um, it's unnecessary for them comments because they don't know the reason that they're coming here is not for them to create any harm. it's for them to prosper, to keep their family alive. and i don't think they they comprehend what's going on. >> so what happens to him next is he understand? and what has happened to that? also that

child, that little girl. >> yeah. um, at the moment the child does not know, but he understands what's going on. we're working hard to see what's going to happen next. we're trying to get him out. we're going to see what's going on. because i know he's not the only one there. there are a lot of families impacted by this. >> just even of the ones that, you know, from from his job. >> yeah. i know a lot of families that work at his job. they're going they're going through hard times as well. >> all right. well, jennifer, i appreciate you very much. and i thank you for, you know, having having the courage to come out and speak. so thank you. >> thank you for having me here. >> jennifer jimenez as i said, that was her cousin david, who was rounded up in that raid in newark, new jersey. and next, an outfront exclusive, our david culver is going to take you to guatemala. that's where a trump deportation plane has just landed. so who are they? what are they saying about their detainment? he's actually there on the ground to tell you exclusively. plus, elon musk appearing in front of a far right group in germany. a group that has used nazi rhetoric.

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focus on on past guilt. and we need to move beyond that. >> fred pleitgen spoke to a top afd party leader in a story that you will see first here tonight out front. >> yes. >> we can. >> hear you. >> elon musk. >> larger than life, the virtual. >> guest of. >> honor at the far right alternative for. >> germany's election. >> campaign kickoff event. >> some afd members. >> have been accused of. >> using nazi rhetoric. >> musk calling for. more german nationalism. >> i think there's like, frankly, too much of a of a focus on on past guilt. and we need to move beyond that. it's okay to be proud to be german and not to lose that in some sort of, uh, multiculturalism that, that, that that dilutes everything. >> music to the ears of. >> afd supporters. >> you know, go, go, go. >> fight.

>> fight, fight, fight. >> musk speaking even. >> before the party's. >> main candidate. >> alice weidel. >> who. >> makes no secret. on immigration. >> the afd sees. >> eye to. >> eye with the. >> trump. >> administration. >> vital telling me. >> just how important. >> musk's support is. >> i'm incredibly happy that he made it. and, um, i wish him and donald trump, jd vance all the best and god blessings. >> what would you do if you. >> became. >> the chancellor? >> immediately closing our borders, controlling them and then sending out all the illegals. and also these, um, um, people who do crimes, they have to leave our country. >> germany has. taken in millions of. >> refugees in recent. >> years, mostly from syria, iraq and afghanistan. >> but after a. string of. >> high. profile crimes. >> like a recent stabbing by an afghan asylum. >> seeker killing. >> a two year old boy and a man trying to stop the rampage, many germans have soured to the

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so you have to make a decision. you want to have a party with olaf scholz and with all those owners of the other parties, or you are on our side with elon musk, with donald trump, with almost the entire world. so which side of the firewall has more sex appeal? >> and erin, tonight a new poll here in germany does have the far right afd in second place, garnering around 22% of potential votes in germany's upcoming election in late february. meanwhile, elon musk is now calling the election here in germany important for the very future of civilization. erin. >> all right. thank you very much, fred. important for the future of russian civilization. of course, elon musk has posted that it is trump's victory that is saving western civilization. so the connection there out front now, ross gerber, president and ceo of gerber kawasaki, a long time major tesla investor. ross, i appreciate your time. you know, we spoke to you after musk endorsed germany's far right

party. the party, of course, as fred mentioned, they've had a regional leader convicted of using nazi rhetoric. you at the time said it was was, quote, disgusting to use your words. so now here musk is speaking to that group at a rally and telling that particular group, it's okay to be proud to be german and to move past their move beyond their past guilt. what's your reaction to that? >> well. >> personally. >> i'm actually. >> part german and my. father served in 1961 when the berlin wall was put up by the communists in germany. i've spent a lot of time in germany as a child. um, he was stationed in a place called bad kreuznach. so the united states has defended germany for a very, very long time. and we have a very long history. i also have a family of holocaust, not survivors, victims, um, in germany. so i find the whole move to fascism extremely disturbing. it's just germany has come so far as a country from, you know, 60, 80 years ago

from the war. and to see this push back, it's the same exact playbook that hitler used in the 30s to create the nazi party. it's literally the same attack on immigrants. and in this case, it was jews. now it's immigrants. it's really a disturbing trend in the world, but it is not what people want. it is not the majority of what germans want or americans. and i think the perception on social media is completely different than what's actually happening in real life. and so he's simply manipulating people's views. >> so but of course, you know, we live in this world where sometimes the virtual is more real than the reality. and that's what can happen in these scenarios. ross, i guess as somebody who you were one of his earliest and biggest supporters, right? you know how he operates. you've been a longtime investor in tesla. when musk goes and speaks in front of a group like this, a group that he's endorsed, afd, right. and it is the right wing group and tells them it's proud to be german. it's okay to be proud

to be german. um, i mean, it almost sounds ridiculous to say, does he not know what he's doing? i mean, is there any question in your mind that he understands the significance and the importance of exactly what he was saying to that group? >> yeah, 100%. i mean, elon is certainly somebody who knows what he's doing. and once again, i'm proud to be german, too, because i'm proud of what germany has become. >> right? absolutely. >> but but i don't understand what nationalism or what we call white supremacy is somehow being proud to be german. in fact, being proud to be german is exactly what germany has become. and and it's a wonderful country today. so it's a democracy and people can have different views. but i think what elon is doing is extremely detrimental. a as a shareholder to tesla. but this is all about power. and elon is trying to become one of the most powerful people in the world. and that's what he's doing. >> well, he's already the richest right. so so right. right now the power equation. so on that front, can i ask you this rush to be direct since he

endorsed trump and became so close in that inner circle, he spent almost every day since the election by trump's side. so that's clearly where he's spending his physical time and his social media posting time is on a variety of things, but most of them are political. tesla's stock price has surged, i mean, surged, it's up more than 70%. that is stunning by any stretch of the imagination. this is just since trump won. so you as a shareholder have made a hell of a lot of money. um, are you selling because of what you see here? i mean, is this a matter of conscience or what do you do? and are you worried about tesla, given how we just laid out how he's spending his time? >> i mean, i think you got to pull this chart back a little bit because it was actually in 2021 when tesla was over $400 a share. so the truth is, i haven't made money in tesla in four years unless i bought it a year ago. you know what i'm saying? >> yeah. >> so i in fact, it's the actually it's the opposite of the truth. the real situation is he hasn't made us money in years. the stock is extremely expensive and vulnerable to a price decline. if valuations

change in the market and their core products and services have not been developed in a competent way, and that's all going to come to roost at some point. like full self-driving still doesn't work. he wants to release a cab that's going to drive on its own, but i use it every day. and i couldn't use it the other day because it was raining too hard. and it doesn't work in the rain. well, that's a real big problem because it rains in a lot of places. okay, so we want to make robots, i guess. and so i think, you know, tesla sales declined last year. i expect them to be stagnant again or even decline this year. and consumers don't want anything to do with the brand. i mean, every day, you know, people complain they're getting flicked off for driving tesla. so tesla makes some of the best cars in the world, but it has the worst image as a company of any company i can think of right now. >> and one of the fastest turnarounds, if that continues. well, ross, i appreciate your time and thank you for coming out front. >> yeah, thanks for having me. >> all right. good to see you, ross. and next, an outfront

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back in the reception hall, we almost don't recognize sara. she's changed into her indigenous wardrobe and feels more at home now, ready to step out. >> no tiene mi hija. >> ven. >> to reunite with her daughter. so those are obviously incredibly emotional scenes. and you see those replicated across many people who are reuniting with their loved ones. but it is interesting, erin, because you would think perhaps that would be indicative of resentment towards president trump or the u.s. administration. but when you speak to some of these deported migrants, they almost just pass it off as it's a situational scenario that they had to get through. and it is what it is. they don't really hold that personal resentment. and many of them say, and this perhaps is indicative also of this being a deterrence, that they will not go back to the u.s. now. >> it's fascinating, but just to be able to speak to them and see

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