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made to a far right german political party about, quote, too much focus on past guilt. good evening. we start with breaking news. almost two years after he vowed to a crowd of supporters, i am your retribution. president trump has launched a massive shakeup at the justice department. sources tell cnn that more than a dozen officials who worked on the criminal investigation surrounding the president before they were effectively ended by his election have been fired. each is said to have received a notice of removal from the acting attorney general, a portion of which reads as follows. quote. you played a significant role in prosecuting president trump. the proper functioning of government critically depends on the trust superior officials place in their subordinates. given your significant role in prosecuting the president, i do not believe that the leadership of the department can trust you to assist in implementing the president's agenda faithfully. now, this news comes on the heels of a separate investigation launched by the president's newly installed interim u.s. attorney for the nation's capital. sources say ed martin is investigating prosecutors who brought

obstruction charges against some who rioted on january 6th. now, last year, the supreme court limited the use of a particular obstruction charge about interfering with an official proceeding. ed martin, you may remember, was an advocate for january 6th defendants and previously raised money for some of their defense. joining us now is cnn anchor and chief white house correspondent, kaitlan collins, and our chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. so, paula, what more can you tell us about why these prosecutors were fired and if they have any recourse? >> well, they. >> say that these officials cannot be trusted to implement trump's agenda. >> look, i've been talking. >> to trump's legal advisers for years, and they have a deep distrust of career officials at the justice department. >> but there is an especially. >> strong disdain for anyone who worked with jack smith. they believe that trump was treated unfairly by his team, should have been granted more deference. i mean, that disdain is stronger than anything i have seen in any of the other trump investigations. but look, smith and most of his top prosecutors, they've already left the justice department. so today's move, we learned it impacts over a dozen officials. but these are

career officials. they are supposed to be protected from political. retaliation across administrations. so the fact that they are fired here likely violates their civil service protections, and they likely have legal recourse. >> caitlin. i mean, what does the white house say to the pushback? i mean, these were prosecutors just i mean, they were doing their jobs. they're not operating at a personal animus. and these firings, i mean, they undermine the rule of law. >> yeah. >> it's safe. >> to say the white. >> house does. >> not see. >> it that way. and they're not really worried about the blowback here. paula noted that certainly is an avenue that we could see these prosecutors go down, given the protections that they do enjoy. so the question is how the justice department is going to handle that, because it's being run by an acting attorney general right now. pam bondi has not been confirmed. but what's fascinating about this is just the level to which trump's legal team knows all of these people. i mean, a lot of them have been in the courtroom with the attorneys who are now going to go into the upper echelons of the justice department. trump has hired

several of his own personal attorneys to go in and top positions, not just the deputy attorney general, but also right underneath that emil bove, who has been currently working inside the doj and was on the ground in chicago, for example, this weekend when it came to immigration arrests. but all these other trump attorneys who are going into the administration, who have been in the same room, the same courtroom as a lot of these prosecutors who were working for jack smith's team. and so, paula has a point there that they absolutely do not trust them and do not believe they can continue to serve in these roles. but the question is the mechanics here and how this was carried out, because obviously everyone kind of knew this was coming. certainly these prosecutors knew it was potentially likely or possible, but what i had heard a few weeks ago was that maybe they would just reassign them to, to, you know, positions that no one really wanted that did not appeal to anyone and kind of forced them out that way. that is not what's happening here. so there is a real question of what they take. and if anything, avenues wise, when it comes to potentially responding to this with lawsuits. >> paula, there's also, as you

mentioned, this so-called special project that's been launched by the trump appointed interim u.s. attorney in d.c. to investigate prosecutors who handled some of the january 6th rioters cases. what do we know about that? i mean, who are they targeting? >> so here, the interim u.s. attorney in washington is looking at prosecutors who charged january 6th rioters with obstruction of justice. this is a charge that was used in a few hundred of the cases. last year, the supreme court ruled that that charge can't be used related to january 6th, that it was actually a designed to mean people who tried to interfere with congressional investigations and withhold or obstruct documents. they said, you can't use that in this context. but now the trump justice department is asking for emails, documents, notes, anything related to those decisions to prosecute individuals with this charge. one administration official tells me they need to get to the bottom of, quote, poor decision making. but obviously there are concerns that this is part of a larger effort to undermine the entire

january 6th prosecution. after trump came under a lot of criticism for pardoning or dismissing the cases of everyone involved in this. >> and, caitlin, as you mentioned, this all happened before pam bondi the pick for attorney general and picks for other key roles, or even confirmed how much more of a shakeup is in store in the doj in the days and weeks ahead, once their confirmations are in? >> well, i think it's kind of the question of if they are going to try to front load a lot of this before pam bondi is actually installed at the justice department. and other of her staffers in there, because the question of who is going to to really get the brunt of this and bear the brunt of the responsibility for these decisions. there's also questions that i've heard being raised from former people who were in, you know, top positions at the doj and have worked at the department of justice of whether the acting attorney general is personally liable to any lawsuits that may be filed for decisions as they make decisions that they made. and then, of course, pam bondi once she is confirmed, you saw her confirmation hearing where she was quite bullish on on a lot of her exchanges with these

senators because they felt very confident that that she had no issue getting confirmed and that she was going to easily win that and not really lose any republican support given the wide swath of the republican of the cabinet. members of the trump cabinet members and the nominees that they've picked, they felt very confident about that. and so i think there's a real question of what that looks like once she's actually in that role and how she carries it out, and whether or not it aligns with how she testified and what she told senators when she was questioned about, you know, her independence as the top figurehead at the doj. >> paul reed, kaitlan collins, thank you. caitlin. coming up at the top of the hour on the source, caitlin is going to talk one on one with president trump's border czar, tom homan. he was on the ground in chicago this weekend when federal immigration agents arrested nearly a thousand people. perspective now on the justice department firings from two former federal prosecutors, jeffrey toobin and cnn legal analyst jennifer rodgers. also, former trump white house communications director alyssa farah griffin and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. jeff, do these firings pass muster? >> they are unprecedented in

american. >> history. >> new presidents. >> come in and they. >> replace political appointees. like u.s. attorneys. >> and that is routine. trump has done that. biden did it. all presidents do that. but coming after assistant u.s. attorneys, career people who are not even accused of any misconduct, they simply were part of a case that was proceeding. and the president, the new president, didn't like those cases. so the idea that they could lose their jobs simply for doing their jobs in an appropriate way is, is is genuinely shocking. and it may well be illegal because assistant u.s. attorneys, unlike political appointees, do have civil service protection. and you just can't fire them because you don't like the cases they've been working on. >> jen, i mean, the acting attorney general said that these people can't be trusted to implement the president's agenda. >> yeah. so the president shouldn't have an agenda. >> for. >> criminal cases, right? it's one thing to say there are some.

agenda items for the civil side of doj. certainly under a republican presidency, you would expect voting rights not to be a top priority. civil rights, that sort of thing. but in the criminal. >> realm. >> you are not supposed to have. >> priorities there. >> you are supposed to follow the facts and apply the law and charge. >> who needs to be charged. >> so that's not. >> a. >> good enough excuse here. >> i mean, this is kind of what he said he would do. >> yeah. listen. trump supporters would. >> say promises. >> made, promises kept. >> this is. >> what. >> he ran on. he telegraphed. >> that he was. going to do this. >> and he did talk. >> at length about this schedule f executive order, which would make it much easier to fire civil servants. >> which you talked about a lot, a lot of people. >> i told people, this is what this is exactly why he wanted it, because donald trump never appreciated that. as the president of the united states, he didn't have he could be blocked by unelected bureaucrats, for lack of a better term, at different federal agencies. and the second time he's coming in, not wanting to make the same mistake. so whether it's doj or dod, he wants to get rid of some of the some of those people and install his loyalists where he can. and i don't think he's got a deep appreciation for or respect for, i should say, the

independence of the department of justice. we saw this the first term with jeff sessions, when he ended up firing him because he didn't want to intervene in the mueller investigation. it's just not something core to donald trump's beliefs that there should be a separation there, and that it's independent from the white house. and you're going to see that in some of the staffing that we're already seeing happening as it as it pans out once pam bondi is there. but frankly, i don't think this is going to raise a lot of eyebrows with republicans because he did say he was going to do this. >> andrew, what kind of effect do these firings have, not just other prosecutors in the justice department, but also investigators in the fbi and other law enforcement agencies? >> yeah. so the immediate. >> effect of. >> this is terrible for these people who are being. >> thrown out of their. jobs. uh, without any cause, without. >> any reason based simply on politics. i know what that feels like. and this is a tough day for them, but much more broadly, much more broadly, this is an effort to bring the entire system, the entire justice department and those that work with them, like my former colleagues at the

fbi, under heel people, prosecutors will see this happening to their colleagues, and it will introduce a level of fear and uncertainty in the type of work that they do going forward. all of a sudden, for the first time, you're introducing this idea and this prosecutorial environment of what's going to happen to me if i pursue this case against this politician who's affiliated with the president, or if i go down this direction on and i charge under this statute and is later disfavored by the white house. these are not things that people in the department of justice have ever had to consider before. they should not have to consider these things. but now the concept of self-preservation and avoiding ending up on the enemies list has been planted in the minds of everybody who works in the department of justice and the fbi. and that is not a good thing for the country. >> and, jeff, this, um, president trump's interim u.s. attorney for d.c., who was himself a stopthesteal ally, as far as i understand, he is now

apparently looking to investigate prosecutors who handled rioters. on january 6th. >> and look at what look at what he's doing. he is saying that this this one statute was overturned, that some of the january 6th protesters were charged with this statute, 1512, and that was overturned. it was a one of the one of the obstruction of justice statutes. and the supreme court said, you can't charge that. the supreme court says that about statutes on a fairly regular basis. they have overturned a number of political corruption cases in recent years. no one has even suggested that the assistant u.s. attorneys who brought those cases engaged in some in some sort of misconduct, plus virtually everyone who had his conviction overturned under that statute was also convicted under other statutes that that are that have stood the test of appellate review. so it's not

like there were innocent people prosecuted. it was one statute among many that these people were prosecuted. >> and someone might say, alissa, well, at least there's inspector generals at all these departments that can look at this kind of, you know, internally what's happening. but now he actually fired them on friday. >> no, you're watching in real time as donald trump's gotten a lot smarter about how to make the government work for him when he was first in office. a lot of this, there was a learning curve. he didn't know the roadblocks he was going to run into. and he comes into office with a team that's very aware of them, and they're going to push the limits and challenge the limits of what they can legally do. but the reality is, where is the check? where is the balance? republicans have the house and the senate and the white house. and i just want to point out one thing caitlin said that is fascinating. just can't underscore enough. in both the january 6th and documents, cases that the department of justice was looking into, people they interviewed for that are now in senior roles in the white house, in some cases in the department of justice and elsewhere. so it's this very interesting kind

of overlapping of people you were once interviewing, potentially as a witness or even somebody you were investigating is now in a serious position of power. >> jennifer, what do you make of the inspector general thing? >> so this is a huge disaster. i mean, inspectors general are the the principal internal watchdog of the executive. >> branch of government. >> so before you. go lawsuits and go outside to the judiciary, before you want. congress to investigate, these are the people who are in the agencies looking for fraud. >> waste. >> abuse, corruption. >> right. >> and he has. taken them out. why? because he doesn't want scrutiny on what he and. >> the agency. heads that he's putting into place. >> are going to be doing over the next four years. and that is a disaster. >> billions and billions of dollars, taxpayer. dollars every. >> single year are distributed by these agencies. i mean all sorts of corruption. they've overturned sometimes ways that he likes. i mean, he used michael horowitz as the doj. ig reports, in a lot of instances when he felt that. >> it benefited him. >> so they go both ways. they're apolitical. they're independent. he doesn't want those people. he swept them out. we need to

look at the people he's going to bring in. and the real question for the senate, they may not push back on these firings, which they should because they were illegal. they really need to look at these nominees. and i think this is where they need to draw their line. these people should be independent. they should be apolitical. they should have experience in the ig community. and that's what i'm going to be watching for. >> i mean, you just sort of rushed past and it was illegal. you can't fire inspector generals the way trump did. the law is quite. >> clear to notify congress. >> and go through a go through a procedure. >> explain why they're. >> meeting, explain why there's certain time limits. but, um, you know, all these things may wind up in court, but i think it's quite clear that the approach here of the administration is to just simply flood the zone, do as many of these kind of things as possible, and just hope that, you know, they can't all be challenged in court and that people sort of throw in the towel and don't protest. >> and, andrew, can you just explain how much unilateral

power pam bondi and kash patel will have if and when they're confirmed? the attorney general and fbi director, respectively, to to reshape law enforcement and the justice system in this country. >> yeah, i mean, enormous power, enormous power. so the attorney general sets the tone for the entire department of justice and all of its component parts, of which the fbi is one. she can reshape the attorney general guidelines and fundamentally change the tools that investigators have to use all over the country. she can put in new procedures that that take authority away from prosecutors to make decisions about what to charge based on the facts and the law, and start in, you know, injecting politics into those decisions. and kash patel can basically cobble together any group of investigators who are willing to follow his direction as fbi director if he's confirmed to investigate people for just about anything. the threshold to open an fbi investigation is very low, and those investigations, as they are

open, even if they're not going anywhere, can be incredibly wearing on the people that they are focused upon. so there is there is a wide, wide buffet of options for bondi and patel to pursue if they are completely committed to donald trump's retribution agenda. and i would say all indications are that they are committed to that agenda. >> andrew mccabe jeff toobin, jennifer rogers, alyssa farah griffin, thank you. jeff toobin's new book, by the way, the pardon the politics of presidential mercy, is out two weeks from tomorrow. we'll have more on that coming up, more breaking news a day after the nationwide federal immigration raids, where almost a thousand were arrested, late word of a new house investigation. details on that and the prospect of more raids. and later, elon musk, facing criticism for what he told a far right german political party about their country and the holocaust. >> kobe didn't want to. >> be one of the all time greats. he wanted to be the best.

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>> cnn this morning with kasie hunt today at five eastern. >> there's more breaking news tonight. the republican led house oversight committee has launched an investigation into the actions of the so-called sanctuary cities, a loose term that typically refers to cities and states that limit how much they cooperate with national authorities trying to deport undocumented immigrants comes a day after the highly publicized crackdown on illegal immigration, led by immigration and customs enforcement, or ice. almost a thousand people were arrested in chicago, as well as at least six other states and territories. the enforcement is expected to continue this week, tagging along on sunday's raid was tv personality doctor phil. he posted video on social media from chicago, which we're not going to show. it shows him not only traveling with the authorities. he was allowed to question at least one of the people arrested during the crackdown, as authorities watched the tv friendly aspect of the raid is

noticeable, along with reports from sources familiar with the operations who tell cnn, cnn that at least two agencies assisting immigration authorities have told personnel to ensure their clothing depicts their respective agencies in case they're filmed. it's not uncommon to wear that kind of clothing during raids, but the sources say even agents on the perimeter of the operations were instructed to wear raid jackets in full view of the media. rosa flores joins us now with more from chicago. what have you seen and heard there in chicago? well, anderson, the words. >> that i'm hearing from community. >> members to. >> describe the feeling in the migrant community is terror and fear and heightened anxiety because of these law enforcement actions happening. i mean, i can tell you that some organizers tell me that some migrants are not going to work. they are not sending their children to school. in fact, the situation has gotten so dire that some volunteers are dropping off groceries at some apartments where migrants are staying that have children because they're cooped up, they're not going to

work, they're not going to the grocery store. and that, of course, i mean, just imagine this is america, anderson, and there's children cooped up and relying on volunteers to drop off groceries at their doorstep because their parents are so afraid to go to the grocery store. now, immigration attorneys that i've been talking to say that this could also create a cycle where migrants will not want to check in with i.c.e. that's something that that happens all the time. migrants have to go to an ice office, walk in, say hi, i'm here, i'm still here. i'm complying. well, immigration attorneys say that this is going to make it very difficult for migrants to do that. take a listen. >> individuals will. >> be fearful, petrified. >> of whether or not they're walking in to not come back out of that building. um, and if you have a family, if you have a support system that is relying upon you, that's such an it's an impossible choice to make. it's an impossible choice to make of whether or not i'm going to be returning home that day.

>> and anderson, she said it best if you're a parent who needs to feed your child, it really is an impossible choice to make. >> rosa flores, thank you. joining us now is former chicago mayor rahm emanuel. he's also a former congressman and served as chief of staff in the obama white house until very recently, was u.s. ambassador to japan. ambassador, i appreciate you being with us. the president promised during the campaign he would deport undocumented immigrations en masse. do you think it's possible to limit these deportations to people who've committed crimes here only, or do you think it's inevitable that nonviolent, undocumented immigrants will be swept up? >> well, that's based on. >> intent, anderson. i mean, is it possible? sure it's possible. and you'll get a lot of support for people that not only broke the law getting here, but more importantly, broke the law while they were here and committed crimes. you'll get support in making that happen. i think the governor pritzker was on the show yesterday and talked about that. but here's the point. look, if you as a former chief of staff, you want to score points, that's one thing. you want to

solve a problem, that's another thing. and here they're scoring points. and as a former chief of staff, former congressman i get it i get that. but actually if you look at this, this is if you want to do shock and awe is how they kind of named it. i'll give you shock support bipartisan legislation. it would be awe inspiring if you did that. and i can tell you right now, having looked at the political landscape around the issue of immigration for years, you have a consensus now, bipartisan as a laken riley legislation showed as the legislation in the spring showed between the senators on how to police the border and stop illegal immigration. the issue now is whether you want to actually, as i said, you want to score political points. that's easy, i get it. you want to solve a problem. it's hard work. but there's actually a consensus now, not only in the country but in the congress on how to do that. and that's a real question that the administration's got to solve. i mean, you said it in your introduction. doctor phil was there to film this. i get the theater as somebody who's done his own choreography of

this, but you actually have the opportunity now because you have a consensus forming on how to actually move legislation. you haven't passed immigration laws and immigration legislation literally since reagan's era. and we are a nation of laws, and we are a nation of immigrants. >> as you know. >> you have to reflect and respect both of those. >> then candidate trump stopped the bipartisan deal that had been negotiated among republicans. >> because it wasn't good for him. >> he said. right. it wasn't at the time, do you think do you see any sign, though, that he sees a political reason to do that? now? >> well, look, i mean, you just had in the house the legislation named after miss riley that was killed by an illegal immigrant down in georgia. there was, i think, 45, 43 democrats in the house who supported it. you have a lot of democrats now in the senate who support that as well and did support that. so it exists. you have bipartisan agreement in the senate for legislation in the spring, so i do. have you looked at this

issue for 30 years? it's been around for 30 years. there was a lot of disagreement before. you actually now have a consensus. i think you could actually create a bipartisan consensus around legislation that seems to be both on building around both the legal side of it and the illegal side of it. i think one thing is interesting in his inaugural address, i mean, put aside the question of whether president mckinley is a great president. he praised him for what he did on tariffs and on talent for making america wealthy. well, his approach on talent is a little interesting. now, look, his family's an immigrant family from germany. his wife is an immigrant family from eastern europe. he had elon musk there at his inaugural and has him hanging around the white house, who's an immigrant from south africa. he had the he had the ceo of google, who's an immigrant from india. it's clear that immigrants play a role. they have to abide by the law, which is the legal process. and also it's true to the history and the rejuvenation of

the american entrepreneurial spirit and operation. so the question is based on his own words. he's very heavy on the tariff side and very light on the talent side. in my view. as we mentioned, that's self-evident. >> we talked about this earlier in the program. the administration has fired more than a dozen doj officials who worked on criminal prosecutions against him. you know what it's like to run a white house. is there any precedent for this kind of action against civil servants who are doing their jobs? >> well, look, i mean, you know that. i mean, you asked the others, there is no precedent. this i think there's a pattern in practice, both between the firings at the justice department and the fires. the inspector generals, the inspector general's police against waste, fraud and abuse, you're fired. those who committed, you know, violence against our police officers. you're pardoned. that's the pattern in practice here. that's the message going out. now, if your whole big effort is to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse and find $2 trillion, quote, unquote, of savings, you can't do it without inspector generals, and it's against the law. people noted that and spoke

earlier to that. that's not interesting. not to me. that's what others have spoken about to me, though. these two fit together, they're heads and tails of the same coin, and he does not want any oversight in this effort. and it's going to be an interesting question. if you know the history of senator grassley, who has held up inspector generals as god's gift to the world, the question is whether that committee will stand by. and senator grassley, who's been an advocate and i say it admirably, will he actually throw in the towel on this, or will he speak up for the independence of the inspector generals? look, i had him as a mayor. i dealt with him as chief of staff. they're a pain. they're a good pain. they do their job. they keep us on our toes. they keep us sharp. and they do find things that are valuable. and that's the reason for firing is no oversight. you beat up 147 officers on january 6th. many losses. a number of them lost their lives. you get a pardon for that? what kind of as a. my uncle was a police officer in chicago. what kind of message is that being sent out there

that if you literally commit violence against a police officer, some of them losing their lives, you're going to get a pardon. but if you're actually there to save taxpayers money, you're going to get fired for doing your job. >> let me ask you, just in terms of the democratic party, what is your message to to the democratic party? i mean, you know, i don't know who the leader of the democratic party is at this point. i don't know if that's a problem. >> well, when you find him or her, will you call me? >> well, i mean, what is your message? what do democrats do? >> well, look, i, you know, there's a number of things to do, but to me, like, look at this. he's talking about the price of greenland. i'm interested in the price of groceries. the whole campaign. he talked about the price of groceries. now all of a sudden, you don't hear about it. it's the price of greenland has nothing to do with what people pay. now he's talking about in another thing, getting america out of world health organizations. and we have a literally the bird flu, which is maybe on the precipice of

another pandemic. where are we going to get the vaccines? where are we going to get the cooperation for this? now, the other thing take a look at on the fight he's going to have with canada. you're up in the midwest. the bulk of our oil and gas comes from canada. you're going to see that at the pump. every one of these problems to me, things that you do early on, and i say this as a former senior adviser to president clinton and chief of staff for president obama, things you do early on have the seeds of your demise. later on, you're going to see literally everything you talked about, which is the primary thing, was the cost of living from energy, at the cost at the pump. with the fight with canada, it's going to come right in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, battleground states. they're going to pay more for it. the price of greenland has nothing to do with the price of groceries. and you're now with bird flu. you're going to see egg prices go way up. and we are ill prepared because we're not part of the world health organization. each one of these, and i think there's a pattern also here that you should take note, having just come back from

japan, china made a massive mistake under wolf warrior foreign policy, and it literally woke up our allies and brought them closer to the united states. i understand everybody's high fiving about what happened with columbia, but columbia has an alternative. you know, peru just opened a major port that's a security threat with china. peru has, as you saw, the chinese ambassador in columbia say, well, this is a great opportunity for us. yeah. so won a victory today. don't go spiking the ball on the 20 yard line. this is a real challenge for us. and we shouldn't have our own wolf warrior strategy. that literally takes what could be allies and friends and turn them over to our adversary, china. that is a real mistake. and so i think on all these things. as for the democrats, one, you have a secretary treasurer who said he was against the minimum wage when ceos prices are pay is going up 4,060%. two deal with the price at the pump. and that's going to

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ignored that. but this is far more serious. uh, i'm not i don't think any young german should feel guilt about something that happened before they were born, whether it's a year before they were born or 40 years before they were born. but responsibility and a sense that this is part of the history of my country. this is something that happened in my country, is something that i think is crucial. uh, i was my family was not in the united states during the 19th century when slavery and before that slavery reigned in this country. yet i know that i benefit from the legacy of that, that crime in the united states. in other words, if you're part of a country, you're part of its history. and for him to do that is feeding into. neo-nazi beliefs. neo-nazi sentiments. enough. we don't want to. we're tired of hearing about this. um, and it's very disturbing. >> where does this group alternative for germany rank in terms of your concerns over anti-semitism?

>> well, they are. look, anti-semitism comes from the right and from the left, from islamists, from christians, from muslims, sometimes from jews. it comes from all over. but they certainly are part of the panorama of sources of anti-semitism, particularly in germany. >> in terms of what you've seen throughout europe. i mean, there has been a rise of in a number of countries of anti-semitism. >> there's been a rise in anti-semitism. in many countries. there's been a tsunami of anti-semitism, including in this country. we see anti-semitism being normalized, things that we never thought people would say. people are saying freely. we see comparisons. sometimes it's made in connection with israel and differing with the policies of the state of israel. is not being anti-semitic, just like differing with the policies of the united states government, is not being anti-american. but when you begin to house that criticism in terms of anti-semitic rhetoric, in

terms of anti-semitic tropes, in terms of anti-semitic charges, then it does cross the line. and we're seeing it across the board. we saw it before ten 7th october seventh, and we're seeing it certainly more since october 7th. >> i mean, i don't know, have you been following the the loosening of restrictions on what can be said on social media sites like x? i mean, people complain that anti-semitic propaganda has exploded on the platform. >> the anti-semitism i see on x, it comes into my feed, even though i'm against it. somehow the algorithm has figured out that i'm interested in it, and it's really disturbing. um, and what happens on social media? you know, sometimes i'm asked, especially on a day like today, are we back in 1938, germany? and i say, no, i think that's an exaggeration. i'm not even sure it's 1933. uh, but it's a it's a bad time. it's a very bad time. there are two things that are different today. their governments are much more concerned. i just finished a close to three year stint as an ambassador with the job of

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cause arcing and sparking in that area and caused the fire? >> so this is an ongoing investigation, and we will continue to inspect and review our equipment. >> while the cause of the fire is still under investigation, more videos of the alleged origin of the blaze are emerging all around the same time. this new surveillance video is time stamped at 2:10 a.m. coordinated universal time or 6:10 p.m. pacific time. pedro rojas took this video just a few minutes later at 6:24 p.m. it shows flames exploding at the base of an electrical transmission tower. jennifer and marcus errico captured pictures from a similar vantage point at 6:15 p.m. >> i can't say definitively that it was the power lines. >> that caused it, but eaton canyon is right on the edge of altadena and pasadena. that's where the fire began. it was under that tower. >> it began as a small little blaze. >> underneath, and within ten. >> minutes, the. whole hillside. >> was engulfed in.

>> the fire. >> in court monday, southern california edison agreed to keep this transmission tower and nearby equipment de-energized to preserve evidence. it gives edison's lawyers 21 days to have their own experts inspect these lines. >> what we learned. >> today was. >> that there could be potentially physical evidence five. >> miles away. >> in this. other line that they reported experiencing the faults at the same time as the fire. >> how is that possible? >> if it's five miles away? >> all these lines are interconnected. these these transmission lines, they all feed together. and so when one experiences an issue miles down the line, this is traveling at the speed of light. it has implications. it impacts lines down the way. our hearts are with everyone who has been impacted by the wildfires in southern california. and right now, this is an ongoing investigation. and we're at the beginning of it, and we are committed to working with local investigators and finding out, you know, what what happened here. >> and veronica miracle joins me

now. this isn't the only lawsuit that's been filed so far right? >> yeah. that's right. the judge in this case said that there are at least 19 other lawsuits. >> against southern. >> california edison. and when i spoke to the plaintiff's lawyer in the case today, he said that he has hundreds of other clients he expects to file more lawsuits. he also said he expects all of these cases to be folded into one big one, because they don't want a bunch of different judges making a lot of different decisions. and anderson, just for reference, we're standing in front of the arco where you saw from that surveillance video at the beginning of this story. that's where this came from. and we're about over a mile away from the transmission tower in question. so that spark had to be incredibly bright for it to be picked up here on this surveillance video. >> and are all those customers still without power? >> there are. yeah, there are a lot of customers without power here. and i spoke to southern california edison after the case today. they said for now, because they have 21 days, they have to keep these lines up

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run by nazis. survivors want no one to forget what they endured. survivors like irene. voice seen in this photo on the right with her older sister. her only sibling who survived. they were headed to the united states after the war ended. their parents and four other siblings were murdered at auschwitz. irene was just 13 when she and her family arrived. i spoke to her for 60 minutes report last year and shared her story again in my podcast about grief. all there is here is part of our conversation. >> there's a lot written about auschwitz, and it can never be fully described. somebody labeled it a metropolis of death, and that's what it was. it was a metropolis of death. it worked like an assembly line factory, and it just ground up. people, mainly families, mainly children. >> how do. >> you live with

this? >> well, you see, i am 93. there hasn't been a day that i have not lived with it. it's very difficult because to reconcile that that man can be so cruel, so like an animal really. changes your way of thinking of mankind and life daily. i know that people can turn on you, can turn on you because of a label. >> the the 13 year old girl that you were. do you still feel that little girl at times, or did you bury her early. >> on. >> in auschwitz? that's a good question. that's really a very

good question. i am stuck there. i am really stuck there. and that's really the biggest fight. and and that's where all the, the grief is. >> have you been able to cry in subsequent years? >> still not still not you know, people say broken heart. the heart keeps working. but the soul never forgets. there is a soul that does not forget any of it. it's imprinted on the soul that keeps the memory, the pain, the grief. it's just always there. >> the soul never forgets. nor should we. irene weiss, auschwitz survivor, now 94. she's remarkable. you can listen to the full interview on my podcast, all there is. wherever you get your podcasts or watch the full video interview on the cnn channel on youtube. the news continues ri