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>> on the outs. a justice department purge as president trump fires more than a dozen doj officials who investigated him. plus. >> the lawful orders of the president of the united states will be executed inside the defense department swiftly and without excuse. >> full speed ahead. on day one of the job, the president's new defense secretary vows to enforce trump's to do list aimed at transforming the pentagon. >> and as many as we can arrest and deport. we're going to enforce the law. if they're in the country illegally, they got a problem, and they're not off the table. >> the immigration blitz, the president's border crackdown gears up with 2000 arrests in just two days. chilling immigrant communities nationwide. and then. >> the release of deepseek a.i. from a chinese company. should

be a wake up call for our industries. >> the deepseek shakeup. the stunning rise of a chinese a.i. platform tanks, u.s. stocks. what it means for the future of big tech's artificial intelligence arms race 6 a.m. here on the east coast, here's a live look at the washington monument in downtown d.c. good morning everyone. i'm kayla tausche in for kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you all with us. it's been just one week since the inauguration, and already donald trump is demonstrating that he is not the president. he was eight years ago. no longer is he an outsider, hindered by the norms and traditions of washington. instead, trump's second term is proving that he now knows just how and where to use the powers of the presidency to implement his vision for america's government. >> success will be my revenge. success

will be my revenge. >> last night, the white house ordering a pause on all federal grants and loans. it's a decision that could impact trillions of dollars in federal assistance for communities in every state. and the president issuing yet another slate of executive orders, this time designed to reshape the nation's military by barring transgender americans and by reinstating service members who were discharged for failing to comply with covid vaccine requirements. and amid those decisions, president trump hinting maybe joking that he might seek an unconstitutional third term in office. >> i've raised a lot of money for the next race that i assume i can't use for myself, but i'm not 100% sure because i don't know. i think i'm not allowed to run again. i'm not sure. am i allowed to run again, mike? i better not get you involved in that argument. >> not 100% sure. in another era. that comment alone might have dominated the headlines. instead, the biggest story this morning, the firing of more than

a dozen justice department officials who worked on the criminal investigations into trump's alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election and to retain classified documents. in a letter to those being terminated, the acting attorney general writing, quote, given your significant role in prosecuting the president, i do not believe that the leadership of the department can trust you to assist in implementing the president's agenda faithfully. end quote. multiple sources telling cnn that the justice department has also launched an investigation into the prosecutors who brought obstruction charges against many alleged january 6th rioters. >> the scales of justice will be rebalanced. the vicious, violent and unfair weaponization of the justice department and our government will end. and, of course, when we. >> one week in donald trump's use of presidential power has been nothing short of swift and sweeping. as cnn's stephen collinson writes, quote, these moves show trump is determined

to learn from his first term, when he was often frustrated by the checks and balances of government and believed he was thwarted by career officials. a recurring question over the next four years will be whether the unprecedented actions from trump are those of an anti-establishment disrupter that simply offend normal presidential decorum, or whether they are illegal or corrupt. joining me now to discuss alex thompson, cnn political analyst and national political reporter at axios. isaac navarro, cnn politics senior reporter kate bedingfield. rather. sorry, i know you. no problem. i, the prompter, just tripped me up. commentator and former communications director for the biden white house and brad todd, cnn political commentator and republican strategist. great to have you all. we have so much to get to this morning. but i want to start with the purge of the doj. the doj prosecutors. you know, alex, you think about the fact that during trump's first term, he fired his fbi director for the russia investigation, and he was upset at his attorney general, jeff sessions, who had been the first member of

congress to endorse him, all because sessions recused himself in that investigation. and so those were sort of lamp posts for what he could do with the department under a second term. and a lot of this was so well telegraphed. >> absolutely. i mean, as you showed that he ran on doing this, and i think it's a sign that he honestly wanted to fire jeff sessions the first time, and now he is really just taking control in a way in the guardrails are off now. donald trump also just believes that the civil service should be completely loyal to the president. in the executive branch. there should not be a professional bureaucracy sort of operating independently, and that's why he is firing or purging whatever word you want to use. some of these civil servants. but i don't think it's a belief that there. >> shouldn't be an independent civil service. it's that there isn't one. it's that the the members of the, of the federal bureaucracy tend to lean to the left and side with democrats. and, you know, i think republican antipathy to the department of justice runs deeper than the investigation into donald trump. you remember,

under merrick garland, they put out a memorandum that said parents who complained at school boards might be terrorists. they said the catholics who attend latin mass might be radicalized to become terrorists. conservatives, republicans and right leaning independents are very, very frustrated with what they think is a weaponization of the justice department. so this is going to get wide support on the right. >> but i think this is also this is donald trump leveraging that sentiment, which i would certainly disagree with and push back on in many ways. but i think this is what is so troubling about this, is that he's leveraging the sentiment to eliminate accountability for the president moving forward. i mean, that's really to me, it's i don't i think it's less about that. he's aligned with hard. right, uh, people about how the civil service in the, in the federal government works and more that he's exploiting that to lay a precedent that anybody who is working to hold a president of the united states accountable isn't able to do their job. and that, to me, is what is really, really troubling. and what he's about, what he's signaling here as he moves forward into his term. >> republicans have broadly

defended his ability to do this in the way that he's gone about doing this. but there was one comment that i found particularly interesting. isaac, i'd like to get your reaction to it. it was former house speaker newt gingrich who has advised trump for the last several years. he he largely defended what trump did, but he also suggested that maybe it should end here. let's take a listen to what he said. >> that would be kind of like maybe there will be a little payback. that's that's just human. now, i think, however, that on reflection, he will conclude that his destiny, the reason god saved him was not to go after joe biden in his old age. god saved him in pennsylvania by turning his head at the right moment so he could focus on america, not focus on revenge. and i think i think deep down, he knows that. >> focus on america, not focus on revenge. >> i mean, this is the man who ran saying, i am your retribution. right. so. i and i, maybe speaker gingrich has spent

a lot more time talking to donald trump than i have. but you look at the way that donald trump has approached his first four years in the white house, his time in between. and this first week as the president again. and it does not seem like what he takes away from any of these experiences is that's enough. i'm not going to go any further. that's not how donald trump operates. he is pushing constantly, seeing how far he can go. and so far we have seen whether it's the supreme court decision last year saying that there's nothing that he did as president that could be criminally liable, or nominating some of these cabinet positions that have really pushed further than anybody would have expected another president to to go to, to go for in terms of their qualifications or their backgrounds. you do not see a president who is backing down. and in fact, i mean, on top of all this, it's the inspector generals that were fired on friday night, right? if that was something if donald trump thought, maybe we're doing

enough, you wouldn't fire 12 inspectors. >> well, i was just establishment republicans like newt gingrich desperately want to normalize donald trump because they don't want to accept that trump is the republican party now. and i don't know what campaign newt gingrich was watching, that he thinks that donald trump wants to put america's interests ahead of his own. he unabashedly has said many, many times that he views the office of the president as an engine to pursue his enemies and settle his scores. and i understand why newt gingrich desperately is trying, is trying to paint him in a different section with a different paintbrush. but that ain't the canvas the rest of us are. >> looking at. you know, he's learned a lesson from barack obama. in 2014, republicans were in charge of congress, and obama says, don't worry, i'll just use the pen and the phone. i'll use my executive orders to do all the things that we want to achieve as democrats. donald trump is taking that playbook and now turning it back on democrats. and i think right now, so far, the american public likes what they see. he's more popular than he's ever been, and we even see democrats. you see a majority of democrats supporting his policies on

immigration, which is a signature issue. this is not the same donald trump we saw eight years ago. >> but do you think that the way that the trump team is approaching it now opens them up to legal challenges, not notifying congress of the fact that they plan to fire inspector generals, not even giving these prosecutors any notice. they were fired effective immediately, which essentially is against. >> they're going. >> to lose some. >> things in court. i think they'll lose the inspector general case in court. i think they'll lose birthright citizenship in court. but i also think that's okay with donald trump, because if he loses a few things in court, then the other things he does, you're going to it slows people down and having to fight them. i think the shock and awe strategy is meant to have some things that win, some things that lose. >> brad's completely. i just want to say brad is completely right, that a lot of these things. trump expects to be challenged in court. that is part of the point. wants to be. yeah. and wants and wants to be. >> and if you win in court, then you get the president. and then it's even more powerful than one of these executive orders. >> we're going to talk about that element as it pertains to immigration. some of these executive orders on the military, a lot more to come with our panel coming up

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members who were discharged for refusing to get a covid 19 vaccine. the president claiming these actions will increase military recruitment. >> i think we're going to have a lot of people that join. we were having a hard time recruiting people because they were looking at these people that they were supposed to be their leaders and they weren't happy. they didn't like people that fall going upstairs. >> let's bring the panel back in. alex thompson, this is essentially a restoration of a policy that biden overturned in 2021. but it does go a step further by establishing some rules around gender pronouns and physical and mental readiness for military members. >> what was really striking is that they weren't also just making an argument about fitness for duty, about maybe hormone therapy made it so that you couldn't go into combat or something with physical. they made an explicit statement about being transgender. the order said a man's assertion that he is a woman and his requirement that others honor this falsehood

is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member. it was much as much a political statement as it was a policy change. >> it's striking to me, if you listen to what the clip we just saw of pete hegseth saying it was integrating the military was racially was successful. but what we're talking about now is different. there are real differences. if you took that soundbite and you took it back to 1940, he would sound like people who were arguing against the racial integration of the military. so i just there is a it feels to me like they are trying to solve for a problem that doesn't exist. women are serving in combat. they are doing so effectively, of course. are there physical differences and limitations with women relative to men in terms of physical strength? yeah, of course, but the military is effectively solving for that in a way that's allowing women to serve. and so it creating this division and creating this barrier to people who want to serve their country, being able to do so is solving for a

problem that doesn't. >> his stance a little bit on on women serving in the military suggesting that, you know, it's just about the. >> standards for. >> the physical standard. >> the military has to have one standard, which is lethality. we have to have a lethal fighting force, and that has to be the only standard by which they judge who's in and who's out. or do you help make the united states more fearsome, more strong, more difficult to deal with in a combat situation? we're peeling back a lot of the layers of social experimentation. you know, liberals don't really like the military much, so they want to use it to achieve a lot of other political domestic gains. that's what's going to come to an end if pete hegseth gets its way. although the pentagon's a big bureaucracy. we'll see. >> the striking thing to me is that we spent a lot of last year during the campaign talking about how democrats were overly focused on transgender people and that it was such a small group. why was so much attention to it now? the first thing that the new secretary of defense does and implements when he gets to the pentagon is executive orders on this. there are whatever you think of it. it is

there are about 9000 active duty people by estimates, who are transgender of a military. that's 2 million people. and that is the opening focus for the secretary of defense. it tells us, i think, something about his focus going forward and about how the administration is looking at this again, looking at just like democrats were last year, focused on a very small percentage of people, but that has a big political impact. >> if you look at the polls, though, voters agree with donald trump on this issue. >> kate, i want to get your response to the view that liberals don't like the military. and also trump's comment that there was a military recruitment problem for the last four years. was that true? >> no. liberals. i think the idea that liberals don't like the military, that that is absurd. you look at people all across this country, all political stripes who serve their country, who who take up the sacrifice necessary to do so. and i think politicizing the military and suggesting that there are there should be political lines drawn here, which i think is what hegseth is doing here. i mean, this is sort of what i was saying before. i

mean, he's really he is trying to create conflict around a cultural conflict around an institution that is about sacrifice and patriotism and has historically been a place where people are united behind the idea that america should be strong and and able to defend itself and able to advance its interests on the world stage. and so, so, no, i, i wholeheartedly reject the idea that liberals are not supportive of the military. as a liberal who is very supportive of the military, i stand in stark opposition to that. >> all right. we have to leave this conversation here at this moment. but straight ahead. on cnn this morning, thousands of immigrants rounded up in the first week of donald trump's presidency, leaving entire communities terrified. plus, the chinese startup that's shaking up global markets and the world of a.i. >> super man, the christopher

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chicago, los angeles, phoenix, san diego, denver and miami. >> so this this operation right now is concentrating on public safety threats and national security threats throughout the country. we're focused on we're focused on criminals. but i think you and i discussed before, but in sanctuary cities, you're going to see a higher number of collateral arrests. >> cnn's ed lavandera has more on the president's aggressive immigration crackdown. >> the trump administration. >> is celebrating. >> images of immigration officers fanning out across the country, arresting undocumented migrants. the president's supporters call it a new day in controlling the u.s. southern border. >> i think. >> what i've. >> seen in the. >> first. >> week has been. >> very positive as far. >> as deporting people that deserve to be deported. these convicted criminal aliens need to go home. >> the immigration and customs enforcement agency, or ice, says in the last five days, it has

arrested an average of 710 people a day who will face deportation. in colorado, the drug enforcement administration says nearly 50 people suspected of being undocumented gang members were taken into custody sunday. ice officials say they carried out enhanced targeted operations in chicago searching for criminal immigrants. in georgia, cameras recorded ice agents arresting a honduran man in his 50s at his home. the man's family says he is a construction worker with no criminal record, other than a ticket for driving without a license. while the trump administration is touting its deportation efforts, critics say not much has really changed in trump's first week from the biden era. in fiscal year 2023, the biden administration deported about 390 people a day, according to ice data that jumped to 743 a day in 2024. >> what the trump administration is doing right now is, is performative, a form of

propaganda so that he can tell his base, look, i'm doing exactly what i told you i was going to do. >> the trump administration is also boosting the military presence along the southern border. more than 1500 troops have been brought in and will be deployed along various points on the border. texas governor greg abbott is also bringing in 400 additional national guard soldiers to work alongside border patrol agents. >> they're down there to create a secure border and and lock that border down. and dod has helped administrations before, but not at this level. so it's a force multiplier, and it's sending a strong signal to the world. our border is closed. >> tom homan is the trump administration's border czar, and he's vowing more arrests to come, which is triggering a sense of fear among immigrant communities across the country, especially among farm workers. >> right now. >> farm workers are not even opening their doors to anybody who knock on their doors because they are afraid that it's going to be somebody who's going to

take him, who's going to separate him from the family. so this is the words that i personally have seen in many years. >> there have been some operational changes here on the ground along the u.s. southern border. military aircraft are now being used to carry out deportations, repatriating undocumented immigrants back to their home countries, as well as more cooperation, interagency cooperation in terms of being able to arrest undocumented immigrants around the country. so we have seen those changes. but the question is, just how long will this be sustainable? ed lavandera, cnn, el paso, texas. >> our thanks to ed for that reporting. let's bring back our panel here in studio alex. we just saw some of the data about how these enforcement actions have been ramping up in the new administration. i.c.e. has been posting daily data about how many arrests they're conducting. it was more than 1100 yesterday, up from 956 on sunday. and these are measures that do have large support from

the american public. do you think that this is sustainable to continue ramping this up, or do you think that there's going to be an initial burst and then it's going to settle out? >> oh, no, i think we're actually going to see it ramp up even more from where it is. and honestly, they would be even higher if they had the resources to do it right now. one really interesting sort of wedge in the early administration is tom homan, who you saw there. he really wants them to pass an initial bill. just focus on the border. and he's been very public saying, listen, we need more money now because you need to hire ice officers and everything else. i think in his ideal scenario, like you would have two, three, four, five times this number and it'll be really interesting to see what happens in the next month. >> we've talked about some of the reverberations in the migrant communities, and tom homan, the border czar that we just heard from, has suggested that there will be collateral arrests, people that they're not necessarily targeting. they get arrested alongside people who are undocumented or convicted of a crime. and that's one key difference from the way that the obama and biden administrations

approached immigration. i want to play a sound bite from president obama's former ice director, who was on cnn earlier this week about that key difference. and then get your reaction. take a listen. >> in the biden. >> administration or. >> obama administration, you don't take those people into custody unless they also pose a threat to public safety, you know, have a criminal conviction or there's some other, you know, they're a gang member or something of that nature. under the trump administration, they've been very open that they're going to arrest everybody in the house. that does drive up the number of arrests. but of course, those are individuals who really don't have a nexus to public safety. >> so the trump officials saying this is a byproduct of what is happening, but they're not apologetic about it? >> no. and tom homan, i remember an interview he did with 60 minutes right before the election when he was asked about this and he said, yeah, that's what's going to happen. and so this is another example of the trump campaign, the president himself saying what he would do if he was elected and then carrying it out. we have seen that over the course of this

week. now, i think the question is, what happens when these continue, when these ramp up, are we going to see the things that had been talked about of deputizing, lots of law enforcement, national guard to go in the path was cleared last week for going into churches and schools. that gets to a different place. i don't think you'd find most americans who would say deporting gang members who are in the country illegally is a bad thing, and it's where it goes after the first week and what the reaction is. >> then the bet that the trump team is making is that actions will speak louder than words. and i remember during the biden administration being in the press briefing room and have dhs secretary mayorkas there and saying in no uncertain terms to migrants, do not come, do not come. the border is not open. but that message was never heeded. >> yeah. look, i think congresswoman escobar, as we saw in that package, is right. there is a huge performative element to this. they are trying to send the signal that the border is

closed, that you shouldn't come. they're trying to send a signal to the american people that they're delivering on what they believe that trump was elected to do. you know, i do think there will there will be over the course of time. i think there will probably be some blowback. if you look back at 2020 and 2021, family separation was a huge political liability for trump. even people who said they wanted more robust immigration enforcement were outraged and horrified by the by the process of family separation. so i think as more and more as we get more and more of these images of people who, you know, who as as that gentleman was saying, don't have a nexus to national security being swept up. i think there will be some blowback. i also think, you know, where is the business community going to go? there will be a moment if where the business community will start to say, look, this is not good. this is not good for our economy. this is not, you know, this is negatively impacting our bottom line. so i don't think that trump is going to have the political wind at his back in the way that he does right now,

forever. >> we'll see. republicans have never been more popular among latinos than than we are right now, right at this very moment with the strongest enforcement, immigration enforcement, highest on the list. that's when republican strength is highest in the border communities that are on the southwestern side of the united states. so we'll see. 83% of americans support deporting criminal illegal aliens. this was something barack obama focused on. democrats used to be for this. and then joe biden let in 10 million people, 10 million people in four years. that's why we are where we are. i think donald trump's immigration policy is going to be popular longer than you may think. >> we were also, let's not forget, we were post. we were post covid in a time where there was a massive influx of people after the essentially the hemisphere had been shut down due to covid. so so throwing out numbers without that context i think is, is a little is a little misleading. >> but biden did 11 executive orders in the first three months that softened the border like it was on purpose that we did this. he was trying to undo trump's strong border policies. we saw the results.

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allies, however, say none of this should be surprising that would be kind of like maybe there will be a little payback. >> that's that's just human. i would suspect that if you were in his position and you had been prosecuted, you probably would do the same thing, or at least you'd seriously consider it. the fact that he has actually pulled the trigger is news to me. but once again, it would not surprise me. >> joining me now is former federal prosecutor jennifer rodgers. she is now a cnn legal analyst. jennifer, i want to get your reaction first to what the acting attorney general said in his letter announcing some of these firings, suggesting that the people who were involved in the prosecution of the president, in his view, could not be trusted. what message does that send? >> well. >> it's a terrible message. i mean, the president is not supposed to direct the activities of the department of justice. the notion that he has policies and priorities, that he wants the justice department to act on is not something that

historically has been a thing at the justice department. right? criminal cases are supposed to be brought based on evidence. they're supposed to be based on the law. they're not supposed to be based on the whims and the retribution desires of the president. so just the notion that they are being fired, i mean, i guess at least they were upfront about it, that they were fired because they had displeased the president in prosecuting him. but that doesn't make it legitimate. it doesn't make it right. and i think the notion that it's demoralizing and really, really damaging to the department of justice going forward is true. >> pam bondi, who's nominated to become the attorney general. she'll be voted on by the senate judiciary committee in just a couple of days, she said. in 2023, essentially, that a second trump term would pursue this type of retribution. but then more recently, in her confirmation hearing, she said that, uh, that the department would not be politicized. do you think that in some sense, doing

this now provides political cover for her before she gets installed there? >> i think it does. i think it does. i mean, she knows that she can say one thing when she's a trump advocate, but when she's going to be the attorney general, she needs to say the right thing. and she knows, of course, that the right thing is not to fire people just because they worked on the trump cases. so she's saying the right thing in her confirmation hearings. and the fact that this purge has happened before she was confirmed. i think you're exactly right about the timing. it's been done so that she doesn't have to do it herself at her boss's direction. as soon as she takes the helm. >> and there's been the focus on these handful of officials who were involved with the prosecution of january 6th rioters, as well as the classified documents case. but then the morale more broadly within the department has caused an exodus that some legal recruiters say that they have not seen ever in their time in the industry. and i'm wondering

what practical effects you think that ultimately has for national security and for the department moving forward? >> well, when there are not enough people to prosecute the crimes that are happening, including very important national security matters, then they don't get done or they don't get done well. and there's no question that a lot of prosecutors understood that trump two would be problematic at the justice department, that he would likely have an attorney general who would do his bidding, and that that might result in inappropriate and even illegal prosecutions. so i think a lot of people probably hit the road just when he got elected. but now that he actually has reached into the justice department to purge people without good reason, likely illegally, who were just doing their jobs, i think people are even more afraid that either they'll be asked to do inappropriate things, or they'll be fired for just doing their jobs. and so i think it puts a chilling effect on the department. and when people

leave, there aren't enough people to do the work. the american people suffer. >> and how tall is the order for bondi once she takes the job and is confirmed? and her deputy, todd blanche, and other senior officials at the department as they try to restock some of those ranks. >> it's going to be tough. i mean, the best prosecutors, the best lawyers in the country are not going to want to work for this administration. you know, they're not going to want to do what a trump justice department is going to be asked to do. so i think it's going to be very challenging for them to get the best people, and even people at all, to be honest, to to work in this department. and there's a lot of important work every day that's not at all political, that everyone would agree. these are cases that should be prosecuted. but when you don't have the bodies there to actually do the work, they don't get done. so that's that's part of my fear that there just won't be enough people to, to actually do the work that needs to be done every day. >> well, republican allies of trump say he has the authority and he is simply exercising it.

we will see what the ramifications are. jennifer rodgers, we appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> 53 minutes past the hour. here's your morning roundup. protesters lighting fires and demonstrating outside the u.s. embassy in kinshasa. reuters reports that a number of embassies in the democratic republic of the congo have come under attack this morning. the unrest coming as thousands flee fighting between the congolese military and rebels in the nation's east. president trump continues to lash out at california's leaders over the recent wildfires in los angeles. in a truth social post. late last night, the president announcing in a statement, quote, the united states military just entered the great state of california, adding the military, quote, turned on the water. the california's department of water resources is pushing back, issuing their own statement which says, quote, the military did not enter california. the federal government restarted federal water pumps after they were offline for maintenance for three days. state water supplies in southern california remain

plentiful. and new. this morning, the white house pressing pause on all federal grants and loans. it's a decision that could impact trillions of dollars in federal assistance to communities across the country. an internal memo, a copy of which was obtained by cnn, specifies that the pause should not impact social security and medicare. the sudden rise of a new chinese tech startup is shaking up the stock market, and our understanding of artificial intelligence. on monday, a new a.i. model by deepseek burst onto the scene when it was revealed to be much more advanced than previously thought. the news sent the stock prices for some tech giants tumbling. the wall street journal editorial board writing this about the new chinese competitor saying, quote, more startling, deepseek required far fewer chips to train than other advanced a.i. models, and thus cost only an estimated $5.6 million to develop other advanced models. cost. in the neighborhood of $1 billion.

venture capitalist marc andreessen called it a.i .'s sputnik moment, and he may be right, end quote. but president trump seems to view the new competition as a potential positive. >> this is very unusual when you hear a deepseek, when you hear somebody, somebody come up with something. we always have the ideas. we're always first. so i would say that's a positive. that could be very much a positive development. so instead of spending billions and billions, you'll spend less and you'll come up with hopefully the same solution. >> my panel is back. has anyone actually tried deepseek? no. no. okay. i haven't either. i mean, i think there's a general wariness of entering your data into a chinese search engine to see what what it populates. that being said, the fact that that beijing was able to create this with far less money, less advanced chips. alex, what does it say about the export controls policy that the biden administration had been pursuing to try to keep a lot of this technology from being developed?

>> well, you're going to see all the tech and a.i. companies be making a version of the argument you just said. they're going to be like, we need more government funding, more government help, not government prosecutions or investigations into antitrust stuff, because we need to be able to compete with china. >> the marc andreessen, though, has been saying that the government should not be in the business of creating winners and losers, deciding who gets to succeed in this arena, and how does that actually work? well, i. >> think this well, this is this seems like a universe where public private partnership is going to be critical. i think this is this is going to be a technology that's going to be infused in, in almost everything that we do as we look ten years, 20 years, 50 years down the line. i think it's sort of inconceivable to think that the government is not going to have a hand in trying to ensure that, you know, americans privacy is protected, that, you know, jobs are protected. so but it is a space where government and the private sector do have to work hand in hand. private sector will be clearly be the engine, the predominant engine of innovation on this. and if this is a moment that spurs a

innovation in the united states on a.i., then then yes, that's a good thing. but i think the the point that you raised at the top here, the this is not just a question of is the united states, you know, advancing an economic engine. it's also in the information space. do we want the chinese government to have control of the, you know, to use ted stevens term, the tubes that provide information to people? i mean, there's there's the economic piece and then there's also the information piece. it's very fraught. >> right? >> like we have a situation where we have been told by a lot of the ceos of these companies, this is where the economy is. and then look what happened yesterday in the last hour. you said nvidia had lost half $1 trillion in its value yesterday. it does seem like this would be, in other conceptions, a little bit of a stock market bubble. >> we have a china problem. and it's going to disentangling our strategic industries like a.i. from china is going to be very

problematic. we have to do it, but maybe we can do it in a bipartisan way. i think republicans and democrats actually have some agreement. >> and wither trump's a.i. team. he's perhaps the first president to actually have an a.i. and cryptocurrency czar. he has a kitchen cabinet of sorts that marc andreessen and and other, uh, valley luminaries are part of. so what do you sense that they're suggesting to him? >> well, i think, you know, trump likes competition. so in some ways he values competition from china. but he also is very wary of china and sees it as the enemy. i think that in ways that some of his predecessors did not, that's going to be put to the test, though, and it's going to be it's going to be complicated and they're going to be prices to pay. >> it's also a moment where you think about what truth is and how that goes. you see some of the early interactions with the, the the chinese model yesterday where people were trying to get what asking what happened in tiananmen square. and one of the responses that i saw that it spit out was, well, there's what factually happened, but then i have to follow the guidelines of what i'm allowed to tell you

and that, you know, it seems like it's a funny thing that people do. but when you think about what that means in a bigger sense, as a.i. is populating more of the information that is being put out and that people in america and beyond are getting, that is actually quite frightening. i think we need to think this could be a. >> 10th of an iceberg, though, that unites america's creator class with its investor class and its security class. there are not many issues that pull those people together. >> they created class. a lot of that creator class, though, is on tiktok, right? and trump has some internal contradictions on his china policy. you said he has been one of the, you know, has changed the politics of china, but also, you know, just last week he was like, well, tiktok is fine. you know, our phones are made there too. isn't that okay? >> every american is going to go through this push pull. but in the end we have to disengage. >> and last night, trump suggested that perhaps microsoft could buy tiktok. i'm old enough to remember when he tried to do that in 2020 and then scrapped the deal. so anyway, we shall see how that ends up playing out. thank you so much to my panel today, brad, kate, isaac and alex. it was so lovely to have all of you here, and thank you for letting me be in for casey. we really appreciate you