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an overnight. justice department officials who worked with special counsel jack smith were fired, and a little known chinese startup shaking silicon valley to its core. what it now means for the a.i. arms race. i'm kate bolduan with john. sara sidner is out today. this is cnn news central. >> all right. breaking this morning, the sweeping, unprecedented order that puts a pause to all federal grants and loans at 5 p.m. today. this could be trillions of dollars in funding that impacts programs and people in the united states and around the world. things like disaster aid, aid for medical charities, food assistance programs. salt came in a two page memo that kind of lacks clarity on exactly how this should be implemented. it has also sparked new debates about constitutionality. a lot of questions here. let's get right to the white house for cnn's alayna treene, who i know

has been digging on this. elena. >> that's right. this is really the latest stunning use of power from president donald trump's white house, just eight days now into his new administration. and look, this internal memo that was circulated by the white house office of management and budget says that all federal grants and loans will be halted starting at 5 p.m. today, potentially impacting trillions of dollars in spending and also potentially impacting millions of americans who rely on this type of funding. now, i said, you know, this is expected to take effect at 5 p.m. today. that means a lot of these organizations were given less than 24 hours notice of this change, and they have until february 10th to submit reports to the budget office at the white house. and from there, you know, seeking clarity on on how this will move forward. now, one thing that is clear is that the freeze on this is something that the budget office is saying is for organizations that don't

necessarily align with donald trump's views. i want to read to you what? matthew vieth, the acting director of the office of management and budget, said in an internal memo. he said, quote, the use of federal resources to advance market marxist equity. transgenderism and green new deal social engineering policies is a waste of taxpayer dollars that does not improve the day to day lives of those we serve. now, to be clear, john, this memo does specify that social security and medicare benefits are not going to be affected by this freeze. also, individuals who receive these different loans directly will not be impacted. however, you know, hundreds of different federal payouts are now in jeopardy, all from, you know, charities to different research bodies, universities, community projects. all of those could be impacted by this move. now, we've heard a lot of top democrats sounding the alarm on this. we heard just this morning from illinois governor jb pritzker, a

democrat. this is what he had to say. he posted on x, quote, the u.s. constitution does not grant the president this unilateral authority. in illinois, we will stand against unlawful actions that would harm millions of working families, children and seniors. now, we also heard from people on capitol hill who are arguing again that donald trump might not have the authority to do this. this is what senator chuck schumer said in a statement last night. he said, quote, congress approved these investments and they are not optional. they are the law. so a lot of questions, as you can tell, about whether or not this is something the white house is actually able to do. now, some experts have said that the president does have the authority, at least temporarily, to put a pause on this type of funding. but again, we really do have to see the details of this, because the scope and scale of this directive is so broad and impacts so many different people, that there's going to be a lot of questions on this. now, we do plan to hear from karoline leavitt, the white house press secretary, later today at 1 p.m. i expect she's

going to get a lot of questions on this. john. >> her first, i think, white house press conference. and i do expect this will be a major topic there. alayna treene great to have you on with us this morning. thank you very much. with us now, his defense attorney and former federal prosecutor, shan wu. and you heard alaina talk about the legal questions here that stem from, say, the constitution, which i think everyone knows puts the power to tax and spend in the hands of congress. it's the spending clause that congress shall have the power to lay taxes and collect them duties, imposts, excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states. that is typically been meant to mean that congress spends right? >> right. >> and not. >> only is. >> there a. >> constitutional issue, but there's. >> also a. >> law that. >> was meant. >> to address this, which does address it, the impoundment act. >> and this on its face clearly violates that. i mean. the 45 days was just mentioned within the impoundment act allows for

some temporary >> meet to the base, but underneath that is really this enormous expansion, continued expansion of the unitary executive theory, given the president as much power as possible. >> so it's definitely headed for the courts. >> a huge potential expansion of power here. and i'm glad you brought up the impoundment act of 1974, because we can look at that. the impoundment control act, we can look at that one of two ways here, whether or not it inhibits the president, whether or not it's constitutional. but one thing is clear is that donald trump knows it exists. he knows there are

limitations on what presidents can do in terms of not spending. listen to this. he put out a video like a year and a half ago on this. >> thomas jefferson famously used this power, as did many other presidents, until it was wrongfully curtailed by the impoundment control act of 1974. not a very good act. >> now, again, in this, it's clear he doesn't like the act. but i imagine in a courtroom one could say he knows it's there. >> oh, that's absolutely right. uh, again, you know, the trump administration, in my view, likes the legalities of much earlier times. so he's going back to jefferson. and, you know, that was enacted during president nixon's period. and, you know, some people have opined only that nixon only signed it because he was too enmeshed in the watergate scandal to really be able to object to it. but certainly in the court, they're going to say that he's violating that. and unquestionably, what the trump folks are going to argue is that

the act itself is unconstitutional. so that's that will head directly to the supreme court. and, you know, despite the extreme conservative majority right now, this is a pretty questionable one because it's a classic separation of powers issue. >> it's a classic separation of powers. when congress decides to do something, particularly if you look at this, this, this memo which the white house put out, it's not saying we want to spend the money on this cause that congress voted on in a different way or a certain way. it says that we just don't like what congress decided to do. so that's going against an actual law passed by a majority in congress and signed by a president. correct? >> no, that's exactly right. and that's why under the act processes, they would need to be far more specific than this general idea of, oh, we just think that generally everything is heading in the wrong direction. so we're not giving out any money until we approve it, make sure it goes through

our filters. but you can't do that. i mean, this is money that's already been appropriated and the damage is enormous. i mean, even this issue about not going to individuals is fuzzy because while they're exempting that on its face, there's money that is federal money goes to state agencies to distribute to individuals. so it's very easy to see how it really wipes out a lot of benefits for individuals too. >> again, possible that he does have some authority to it temporarily, whether or not he intends this to be temporary. we will see how far it goes from here. also to be determined. shan wu, thank you so much for explaining it so well. kate. >> there is also growing outrage and concern this morning after more than a dozen justice department officials were abruptly fired, all of them career federal prosecutors, nonpolitical appointees, all with at least one thing in common, though they worked with special counsel jack smith on the federal investigations into donald trump. those cases, cnn's katelyn polantz has more.

>> really? a stunning afternoon at the department of justice, where the people put in place by donald trump to lead his u.s. attorney's office and the entirety of the justice department, the acting attorney general carrying out on that promise of retribution toward people who were working on criminal cases related to the 2020 election and against trump specifically. so the main thing that happened, the acting attorney general fired more than a dozen people who had been back in the department just doing their jobs as career prosecutors, line attorneys. they were the people that worked on the special counsel investigations from jack smith. these were not political appointees, though. these were people who had long been with the department, not just as part of smith's team, but had worked on the type of criminal cases that always were part of the department of justice's bread and butter. those people were back in their home offices after smith closed shop, and they were fired yesterday. the memo from

acting attorney general james mchenry, it said you played a significant role in prosecuting president trump. i do not believe that the leadership of the department can trust you to assist in implementing the president's agenda faithfully. this announcement to those people came just after the announcement by the dc, u.s. attorney. so that is the interim person in charge of the office that prosecuted the 1500 or so capitol rioter cases since that took place on january 6th of 2021, that interim u.s. attorney ed martin he announced that there was going to be a special project, an investigation into the work of dozens of line prosecutors in charging the people in the capitol riot who initially were charged with a felony obstruction count that the supreme court later tossed out. that investigation, which appears to be an investigation of the investigators, the people that were doing those cases on a

daily basis. it's asking for documents by this friday. so it is unclear how far of a reach that will go as ed martin tries to push forward some sort of investigation into what happened there. but this is two things that happened on monday in the trump administration that are so extremely out of the ordinary for any president and any leadership of the justice department to take on, upon themselves. >> caitlin, thank you so much for your reporting on that. coming up for us, fema has been a lifeline for americans in the aftermath of disasters over and over again. president trump, now looking to overhaul the agency, possibly dissolve the entire federal emergency response system. what do governors think about that now? we'll ask one. and president trump has taken the first steps toward pushing out transgender troops from the military. and we are hearing now from the first openly transgender infantry soldier and deep panic spreading through

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last week. >> fema just hasn't done the job. and we're looking at the whole concept of fema. i like, frankly, the concept when north carolina gets hit, the governor takes care of it. when florida gets hit, the governor takes care of it. meaning the state takes care of. it. >> then there is this from the republican house speaker, mike johnson. >> so i have some expertise with fema. i'm from louisiana. we're a disaster prone state, as is florida. and we have a lot of experience with that. and in my experience, it is very often the case that local workers, people who are, you know, working through fema, do a pretty good job. but often it's the leadership at the top that can affect the outcome of how a disaster is handled. there's been a lot of frustration, of course, over the last four years with how fema has been handled. >> another state that has been hit hard by natural, natural disasters and has been on the receiving end of federal disaster assistance. the state of kentucky. the state has

needed 12 major disaster declarations since governor andy beshear took office in 2019. the state has been hard hit by storms after storms. joining us right now is the democratic governor of kentucky. governor beshear, to talk much more about this. governor, thanks for coming on. i've been wondering since i heard donald trump talk about this. and when they're looking to overhaul fema and maybe just dissolve the agency altogether. and as he says, turn it over to the governors, turn it over to you. what would that mean? >> well, fema has its challenges, but there are also some things it does very well. when i look at a natural disaster, and i've seen a lot of them, you really have three phases. you have that first emergency response phase, and that's when you're trying to save as many lives as you can. after flooding in 2022, we had over 1400 rescues, 1400 kentuckians that are still alive today. and yes, we did most of them through our state police and our national guard. but fema

helped us bring in tennessee's national guard, west virginia national guard, and other resources when we needed them the most. in those hours. when power is knocked out. fema can help you source things like generators can bring in some extra resources, and in the very least, bring a whole lot more people in to help. in those moments where you need it the most. i think a lot of the criticism that fema gets is how hard it is to qualify for assistance, and the rules that are out there, but most of those rules have been established or pushed on. fema by congress. but but here's the thing. i think the president is not thinking about. we still have to obey federal law. we would still have to make sure that anyone wanting individual assistance, or states or cities seeking public assistance meet all the requirements that are there. and right now that's done through fema. so one group handles all the administrative jobs and costs for 50 states. if you

dissolve it, all 50 states would have to create their own, you know, administrative arm, and that would eat up so much of the funding that ultimately needs to go to the people and to the states to to rebuild. so, yes, while fema can do better, the idea of dissolving it would put so much administrative burden and costs on states that it would distract us from doing everything we can in the moment and in the weeks and in the months to to rebuild. >> and that's what i was wondering. it's not that governors aren't involved and don't have a huge part in receiving federal assistance and being in control and giving it out. it's also the personnel that fema brings in to to do that administrative work. i get from you. that's a this is a bad idea. if they move to dissolve this agency. >> it's a very bad idea to dissolve the agency. again, there are things that fema could do better, and we've seen it firsthand, but we've also seen

fema improve over time. we pushed fema and ultimately got them to finally put decision making authority for whether someone gets personal assistance with the people on the ground, the people that go to the house and see it totally wiped out. you know, the challenge in fema, which which i think speaker johnson was alluding to, wasn't at the top. it was in the middle. and so what would happen is a team would come out, would would look at everything that's lost, would tell people, oh, you're going to qualify. and then it would go to what i called almost the call center in the sky, like the people making those decisions weren't on the ground, but they also weren't the top leadership. so changes there that fema made have have improved for every other disaster that's happened since. governors lead in the response to every natural disaster. but what fema does is give us more resources, take some of that administrative burden off our hands, bring some expertise for for folks that have been through certain types

of natural disasters before and connects us to resources that we need. and at a time when we're all working as hard as we can. i was up for three straight days during the tornadoes and during the floods. they are surging. those additional resources to help us out. >> it is it's really important to hear that perspective kind of on on this end of receiving federal emergency aid and hearing it from a governor, from from yourself. another major impact, though, that's happening on states right now across the country are the mass deportation operations, operations being led by president trump's border czar, governor, are they happening in kentucky? >> well, we haven't seen the types of operations in other states in kentucky to to this point, at least. you know, there's a big difference in in targeting known criminals. and ultimately putting extra resources from the federal government to finding, detaining and deporting them if they are

violent criminals. what i want to make sure is that we are not in in these efforts, ultimately infringing on the rights of u.s. citizens and people who are here legally. >> you have been you have your democratic governor and what's, you know, in a in a red state. so you you understand a balanced approach. it's how you have to operate. you have called for a balanced approach on immigration before. you've been critical of some of donald trump's approach to immigration in the past. these operations, as he is running, but these operations as he's running them, it's something that he ran on. how do you square it all? do you think this is the right way? if this is what he was elected on? >> well, there are portions of what he ran on that that i think fit into a balanced approach. you know, border security is national security and ensuring we have a secure border is important. but when you look at at the approach, it's only

addressing the supply side, if you will, the number the people who are trying to enter the country or who are in the country illegally. it's not looking at the demand side whatsoever. it's not looking at the number of migrant visas that are needed. it's not looking at our economy and saying, we're going to need more workers in these different areas. and how do we fill them? so we're only going to get to a point where we're truly addressing immigration. when i understand there are alternative facts now, but how about math? let's hopefully not have alternative math when we sit down and we do the math about how many new citizens we need in the united states, how many folks that we need for really important industries, and doing that math is going to be important. if donald trump is going to fulfill his campaign promise to lower prices. now, that was, i think, one of the one of the defining issues of the campaign. i think it's why he is president. but what i've seen out of his executive orders are him addressing

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particular. and we look at how the market is opening up. you can see the nasdaq is up by half a percentage point. that is an improvement from yesterday when we saw a 3% drop. but i have to say this feels like kind of a fragile rebound. i don't know that this is all that confidence inspiring given the scale of the losses yesterday. now all eyes of course are on nvidia. that's the a.i. superstar that lost, as you mentioned, half $1 trillion in value yesterday alone. you can see again it's up. the selling has stopped but it's only up 3% a little bit less than that right now. >> so it was down what 17%. >> down 17% yesterday. so this is really clawing back just a small fraction of the losses yesterday. what's stunning is that nvidia started the week as the most valuable company on the planet. but the losses yesterday because of deepseek were so great that it lost that title. it has fallen behind both apple and microsoft in the list of the world's largest companies,

because it lost almost $600 billion yesterday. now don't feel too bad for nvidia. it's still valued at around $3 trillion, which is a ton of money, but it has fallen down in the leading leaderboard of the world's richest companies. and look, obviously, this deepseek announcement, it raised a lot of foundational questions here about how much money companies have to spend to build these leading a.i. models, how many of nvidia's chips they need access to to build those models? there are some questions, some skepticism from experts about some of the claims from deepseek. but clearly this set off all the shockwaves in the market. i think we're going to expect to see volatility continue, especially as we get big tech earnings later this week from meta and tesla and apple and other companies that are investing in and building a.i. and don't forget, john, while all this is happening, the federal reserve is meeting as we speak, beginning their two day meeting decision tomorrow afternoon on interest rates. they're not expected to move rates, but they're going to be debating when they can resume cutting interest rates. >> up just now, 2% in the

nasdaq. i'm not sure this is the bounce back people were hoping for. >> yeah, yeah. a quarter of a quarter of a point increase. not not much of a of an increase. >> clearly still out there matt. thank you. >> thanks, john. >> kate. >> so there's the markets and then there's what is this thing for more on this new disruptor in the market. clare duffy has been digging into this one for us. what what could deepseek mean in the tech industry? like what are you hearing? >> yeah, i mean, this really could be a paradigm shift in how a.i. development happens, forcing all of the big tech companies to really rethink their plans. here, the story that silicon valley has told us about how a.i. development is going to happen is that they need billions of dollars. they need the most advanced chips. they need to be building out these massive data centers, even if they strain the environment, because that's what it's going to take to get and stay ahead. and deepseek really calls all of that into question, because here we have this one year old chinese startup that says it spent less than $6 million, compared to the billions of dollars that big tech companies have spent. it had less advanced chips because of u.s. export

restrictions and, crucially, deepseek model puts less of a strain on the data center. so every query, every question you ask, it requires less power resources from the data center than the other big models. and that really calls into question whether we need these big tech companies to be building out, spending so much money, building out these massive data centers, it really could force all of them. certainly, we're going to hear questions from their shareholders about why they've been spending so much money. now, i don't think that this app in particular is necessarily going to stay on the top of the app stores like we've seen it. deepseek appears to have some of the same chinese censorship restrictions that we've seen on other chinese platforms. for example, yesterday i asked it about. tell me about what happened at tiananmen square. and it says i can't answer that. so i don't think we'll necessarily see people staying on this particular platform. but the underlying technology really, you know, causes big questions for silicon valley. >> and still i'm also hearing questions of how much of what we're hearing from deepseek do we believe and how much can how much has shown its its actual at

this point? i mean, the how the low development costs, are they really as low as they say they are? >> it's a huge question. and i mean, even the experts that i've spoken to have brought up the fact that, like, think of the high paid engineers that they have to pay to build these things, like those are not cheap salaries. so certainly we expect that it is more than $6 million. there are questions about whether, in fact, the company was able to get around some of these u.s. export restrictions and access some of these higher powered chips. we don't know the answer to that yet, but i think there certainly is a question about whether this was more expensive and more intensive than they say it is. but still, experts say it is a fraction. >> of the. >> cost from what the big tech companies. absolutely. >> and there hasn't there been a big effort of the united states trying to, like, keep china from accessing this like i. technology knesset for a long time. i mean, does this prove that this that effort failed? >> yeah, i think it does really call it into question. we've seen, even in the last week of his administration, former

president biden passing more restrictions on a.i. technology sales to china. and yet what you have here is either a situation where this chinese startup got around the restrictions, or it really forced them to be more creative and come up with an alternate method that, it turns out, is much more efficient than the existing models. but either way, you have a chinese startup that is now competing head to head with the big tech players. and so i think this is also going to force a rethinking from the government's perspective about how do we approach a.i. competition in china, and how do we make sure the u.s. companies stay ahead? because that's really what i've heard from all the u.s. companies in the last day or so, is this just proves how important it is that u.s. companies stay on top of this, this industry. >> to understand, which is understandable, how why president trump came out so quickly saying, this is a wake up call. it's good to see you, claire. thank you very much, john. >> all right. overnight, president trump signed a new executive order banning transgender troops from serving with new justifications that raise a lot of questions. >> i'm david culver in guatemala city.

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executive order. it says, quote, a man's assertion that he is a woman and his requirement that others honor this falsehood is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member. your reaction to that? >> yeah. >> absolutely. >> um. that language. >> is a huge pivot from what we've seen in the past. this stops being about qualifications to serve and starts being about vilifying hardworking service members who are already doing their job right now. >> talk to me what you mean about a shift in this case? because what struck me when he was calling it a falsehood is the president in this order is saying, you're lying and forcing others to acknowledge your lie is what he's saying. >> you know, that's what i'm hearing, too, as i read this, is

questioning. integrity is a step in vilifying a group of people, right? when we start suggesting that they're their honor is in question, um, it's easier to demonize them. and when it's easier to demonize them, it's easier to victimize them. >> i demonize and victimize are words that i don't think that he would necessarily approve of, but i'm sure that he has no problem suggesting with the suggestion that he's trying to separate transgender people in the military and say that they simply shouldn't be there. how would you feel about that? >> um, this assertion is false. transgender people have been serving openly for ten years. um, and they've been doing so with distinction. the there's a minimal cost in transgender care, and the only person who should be helping make that decision is a person's doctor. transgender people have served all over this planet on the

front lines and are currently serving in high risk and high, uh, jobs that require a lot of training. the average service member who's trans has between 12 and 21 years of service. that's a huge loss of institutional knowledge. >> you know, secretary of defense pete hegseth talks about lethality in a warrior mindset. how does having transgender people in the military affect lethality it enhances lethality. >> transgender people are a segment of america. the only thing that makes them different is, you know, the fact that they're trans doesn't change their ability to serve. it doesn't stop them from serving on the front lines, which is what they're doing right now. it enhances unit cohesion because it looks like the america that they serve. >> um, in the order again, there is the language about falsehoods, which i found to be different than things we've seen before, even in the first trump administration. but they also seem to equate being transgender

with a health condition. they write, quote. as a result, many mental and physical health conditions are incompatible with active duty from conditions that require substantial medication or medical treatment to bipolar and related disorders. eating disorders, suicidality, or prior psychiatric hospitalization. so what do you make of that comparison? >> yeah, trying to attempt or attempting to put gender dysphoria in the same bucket as some of these other things just doesn't fit. um, it's been long established and well studied precedent that gender dysphoria shouldn't stop somebody from serving, and neither should the treatment. this has nothing to do with fitness to serve. transgender people are continuing to meet the standards in their gender across all branches of the military. >> so you've been talking about this openly for years, and one of the things you say is that you like to have the discussion. you want people to ask you questions and to press you for answers. it's the way to push

this forward. but what would your message be if you could speak directly to president trump on this? >> oh, first and foremost, i'd love to have a conversation with him about this. you know, i think that talking about people versus talking to people is what erodes empathy and erodes our understanding of one another. the reason why i'm so open, the reason why i write stories about trans service member and i talk about my story, is because we're not special, because we're trans, we're special because of all the other things that that set us apart, that make us amazing just as any other person. and to boil us down to just this one thing, um, it's disingenuous and it's not fair to, uh, to the american public. >> when you see what's happening in the military. again, secretary of defense hegseth claims this is about lethality and reforming the defense department, but also look at some of what's being said

outside of the realm of defense. do you think this is just about performance, or do you think it's about something beyond that? >> ooh, that's a tough thing to speculate on. what i know is that the only thing it should be about is performance. the only thing that should determine whether or not a person is qualified to serve is their fitness to serve. and transgender people have proven for well over a decade now openly, that they are fit to serve. >> all right, patricia king, we appreciate the discussion. thank you for coming on this morning. we'll talk to you again this morning. the legal argument from president trump's own lawyers could come back to bite him in a defamation case he filed against the pulitzer prize board. >> the lead with jake tapper today at 4:00 on cnn. >> if you're frustrated. with occasional bloating or gas, your body's giving. >> you signs. >> it's time to try a line. a line probiotic was specifically designed by gastroenterologists to help relieve your occasional

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in his first term plaintiff, argued that if a case pending against him in new york state court was not temporarily stayed, it will disrupt and impair his ability to discharge his article two responsibilities the effective administration of our nation provides a compelling justification to stay the action. now, what's interesting in his first term, if you remember, there was a defamation case brought by a former apprentice contestant against trump for defamation, and trump used this exact same argument in requesting a stay for that case. and after his first term was over, that case was able to proceed. so essentially, the pulitzer board is saying we're not talking about the merits of the case right now. we just want to freeze this case until after trump's term is over. >> so who gets to decide this and what happens next? >> so right now this will go in front of the judge and they will usually respond. or they will usually call a hearing within the next 2 to 4 weeks or so. and then they will hear arguments against this. but just this past friday, actually, trump's attorneys made the exact same argument for they wanted this

stay in a case about trump media, about the investor, the investors in trump's social media company brought a case against him and his attorneys in delaware literally made this argument requesting a stay, saying there's constitutional questions. it needs to be paused until the end of his term. so the pulitzer board is saying, that's your argument. we're using the exact same one. we're requesting a stay as well. >> so fascinating. >> consistency is a hell of a thing. it turns out. >> who needs it. it's good to see you. thank you so much. >> and thank you all so much for joining us. >> i think he means it. >> and thank you. thank you for being here. this has been cnn news central. cnn newsroom is up next. >> liberty mutual. >> customized my car insurance. so i saved hundreds. but the money i saved thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. oh, right in the temporal lobe. beat it. punks only pay for what you need. >> liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. >> okay, everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced

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