>> if you or a loved one have mesothelioma, we'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have. call now and we'll come to you. >> 800 821 4000. >> good morning. you are live. >> in the cnn newsroom. i'm pamela brown in washington, and i just want to wish my my buddy, my colleague, who i've worked with for years, jim acosta, the very best. he just announced that he'll be leaving cnn and he will be greatly missed. and we begin this hour with an overnight memo from the trump administration ordering a sweeping pause on all federal grants and loans. it is a move that could impact trillions of dollars in federal assistance for communities and families who need it the most. programs that are potentially at risk. school breakfast and lunch programs and section eight rental assistance. also, title one

education grants, state grants for child care and the head start program. the freeze is set to go into effect this afternoon. cnn's jeff zeleny joins us now. so, jeff, help us make sense of this. the impact that this could have. and what is the white house saying? >> pamela, we certainly will try. but the reality is this is was so sudden last night that federal agencies right now are just trying to make sense of the full scope of this. one thing is very clear that this is one more example, one more part of the president trying to remake his vision of the u.s. government. this is not a surprise. this is what he ran on to shrink some programs. obviously, in some cases to make room, perhaps for his expansion of his tax cuts and other things just to eliminate programs that he is not supportive of. but the question here is how much is the reach of this? so grants and loans and federal assistance by 5 p.m. today, they will all be put on hold. now that runs the gamut across the agencies. you are pointing out a few examples

there from school lunch programs, but also ag subsidies and so many other things that affect americans of all stripes. not just blue states, red states as well. so this is going to be something to it is going to take some time to see the exact fallout of this republican house leaders are saying this is overblown. it's just a pause. it's not an elimination. but take a look at the memo from the the omb released overnight. that really gives a sense of why this is happening. and the acting director of the omb says the use of federal resources to advance marxist equity, transgenderism and a green new deal social engineering policies is a waste of taxpayer dollars that does not improve the day to day lives of those we serve. now, that, of course, is in line with the president's views, but unclear is what else is falling into this. at the bottom line of all of this is who has the authority to control things that have already been approved in law. is that the traditional power of the purse that congress has, or is the president going to try

and take some authority over that? so that is what is at the heart of all of this power struggle, if you will, between the branches of government, pamela. >> and there's still this sort of question of how long this pause is going to be. of course. jeff zeleny, thank you so much for the latest there from the white house this morning. and joining us now for more is congressman rich mccormick of georgia. he serves on the house armed services and science, space and technology committees. thank you so much for joining the show. so we're still trying to make sense of what this federal aid pause will look like. but the president of the national council of nonprofits has warned this decision could have dire consequences for vulnerable populations. quote from pausing research on cures for childhood cancer to closing homeless shelters, halting food assistance, reducing safety from domestic violence, and shutting down suicide hotlines, the impact of even a short pause in funding could be devastating and cost lives. that is what diane yentel says. what do you what do

you say to that? are you supportive of this freeze? >> i think we have. so much waste, fraud and abuse out there. so many programs have been politicized that in order to get our arms around this and find out where the money is going, what it's going to, what the impact is. this is the the response that president trump has had. now realize that a lot of this money has already been projected. it's not the the money that's being spent right now, but future monies. this is saying we're not going to grant any more the stuff that's already been granted. i don't think the dissemination of that money is going to be stopped. and so this is about future grants, future exploitation of a political system that's really been used to warp the american society. and so right now we're stopping and having a top down review to see what really makes sense to the american people and what does not. >> yeah. our understanding is and i have the letter here from omb, this is it's freezing 3 trillion from federal financial assistance such as grants and loans. not necessarily future grants, as you say. and there's this there is this question of

the vulnerable population that could be impacted, 64% of students in fiscal year 2024 were free and reduced lunch eligible. over 19,000 students participate in the head start program. what are you going to say to your constituents directly impacted by this potentially? >> we have these conversations all the time, but if you think about it, 3 trillion. you just mentioned a big number, 3 trillion. we have about a four and a half to 5 trillion revenue for the united states. that's two thirds of our revenue for the entire united states, actually, over that. and you're talking about that's what we spend on just those programs. we are in a such a deficit spiral right now that if we don't do something significant, we will become insolvent as a nation. and our currency standard as the world currency standard will go away. our place in history will be lost and we won't have the money for anything. not helping anyone, not anywhere around the world. if we don't become more responsible with our own money. and this is just a step in the right direction to become accountable, some of this money is going to come back. i

guarantee it. there's going to be. the poor people in america have been taken care of traditionally since the beginning of our government. and i think this is just one thing that we have to stop and say, what really makes sense and what doesn't, right? >> and you talk about the deficit. i know that's a big concern among people like yourself who have been outspoken. donald trump and his first term, as you know, added, i think it was 8 trillion to the deficit. and, you know, but when you look at these, these programs, you know, are these really the programs that you would want to see cut head start, free breakfasts and lunches for constituents in your district? would you be okay with that to cut down on on federal spending.? >> if you look at what we need to address, we have bigger issues than that. we have social security and medicare and medicaid. those are all welfare issues. and a lot of those things are set aside for people who have paid into the system to begin with. but quite frankly, when 75% of the budget is non-discretionary, what we call

mandatory, and you don't address those things, they're going to have automatic cuts. now, you talk about social security. i want to save social security, not cut it. but we have to do something or it will become insolvent in in the next decade. and you will have a 21% automatic cut. or we put so much debt on the american people because our backs are against the wall, that we will for sure go into that death spiral of debt. and that goes for medicare, too. by the way, 11% automatic cut. we don't vote on that. that will automatically happen. so when you say rich mccormick, he wants to to throw old people under the bus or poor people or children. no, i want to save that. i want to save that money by making it leaner, meaner, more instructive. >> yeah. no, i understand and and look, some people saying that that. okay, well, look, i mean that is a valid goal, right? to to save money and be more efficient. right. but the bottom line is right now with this freeze, vulnerable populations could be directly impacted. and so my question to you, just to follow up with you, would you support getting rid of, you

know, school lunch for vulnerable kids and breakfast and head start, for example, and getting rid of, um, childhood cancer research. do you support that? and what do you say to your constituents? i want to follow up on that question, too, because i didn't hear an answer from you. >> sure. so so i'm an e.r. doc, and i know that philanthropy is where you get most of your money for childhood cancer research, for example. and it's not just child. i mean, you look at what the president just proposed, a half $1 trillion spending bill on i to produce, uh, cancer early detection in the first stage on most body parts. that's his spending bill, where he wants to increase cancer research. so it's just about what part of the money it comes out of when you talk about school lunches. hey, i worked my way through high school. i don't know about you, but i worked since i was before i was even 13 years old. i was picking berries in the field before we had child labor laws that precluded that. i was a paper boy, and when i was in high school, i worked my entire way through. you're telling me that kids who stay at home, instead of going to work at burger king and mcdonald's during the summer, should stay at home and

get their free lunch instead of going to work. i think we need to have a top down review. think about where kids need to actually be. >> i would say that's not necessarily a fair assessment of all of the kids. so you would say all the kids in your district who use the free lunch, for example, or breakfast, they're all just sitting at home and not working. okay, i just want to clarify because that this. gives us a chance to this. >> gives us a chance. no, this gives us a chance, though, to see where is the money really being spent, who can actually go and actually produce their own income, who can actually go out there and do something that makes them have value and work work skills for the future? i mean, how many people got their start in fast food restaurants when they were kids versus just giving a blanket rule that gives all kids lunches in high school who are capable of going out and actually getting a job and doing something that makes them have value, thinking about their future instead of thinking about how they're going to sponge off the government when they don't need to. we don't give people value. we don't give them the ability to dig themselves out when we penalize them for actually working and actually

keep them on welfare. that's what's been the inner city problem for a very long time. we need to have a top down review so we can get people out of poverty. because you know what? america is very good at creating jobs and giving people work. and we've been very traditionally good at that, but we're losing our way. and that's when we give people incentives to stay at home and not work. that doesn't work for america. >> but a lot of these kids aren't even of working age. they're they're young kids. and as you well know, and also some of the some of the. doesn't apply to head start. they're like five and under. but i just want to ask you because i'm trying to you know, i always try to think of different perspectives and what people would say to what you're saying. and they may argue, well, some of these families can't afford to buy food for their kids because food prices are so high. egg prices are skyrocketing. donald trump promised to lower the food prices on day one. how were any of these actions actually doing that? what do you say? >> oh, i will tell you. so when you when you actually produce an energy source that makes it easier to truck and to train and to fly things, the the price of

commodities comes down. i mean, one of the reasons we had huge inflationary costs because of supply and demand, of course, we all learned that in junior achievement when we were little kids. but when you have the price of energy so high, it actually increases the price of products. we saw this during covid when people started to consume massive amounts and didn't have the monies to to actually pay for these products. when you talk about opening up free capital societies to to actually work, when you talk about producing not just calories but nutrition, this is what jfk jr. is all about. when in history. and this is a really good question for any reporter. when in history have we had our poorest people also be our fattest people? that's for the first time here in america. uh, traditionally our poorest people have been very skinny and very under nutrition. we think that calories equals nutrition. it doesn't. we need to be smarter about the way we deliver our consumables, not just give them money, but actually make sure it's delivered in the right way. >> well, and as you know, look, a lot of food. poor people live

in food deserts without access to healthy food. but of course, i think it's important to talk about the food that they're getting and whether they should have access to to healthy food and food that is affordable. and again, that is a big question. how any of this will actually tangibly lower the food prices, which is what trump said he would do on day one. now, we're seeing from the administration. well, we're hearing from his vice president it's going to take more time. you're hearing from donald trump, the president saying, well, it's a difficult issue. but, you know, i want to ask also about foreign aid as well, because you are on the armed services and science, space and technology committees. um, you know, some of this frozen foreign aid includes aid to afghans who assisted the u.s. military education and lifesaving medical help for kids and ensuring clean water. only egypt and israel got exemptions. does that worry you? should more allied forces continue to get security assistance? >> well, first of all, tell me how afghanistan ran by the taliban is going to be using our money in the way that we want them to use it. i served in

afghanistan in 2016. i knew the government was corrupt then. it's one of the reasons that the taliban was able to take over again. when you talk about the feudal system, the warlords versus the taliban versus legitimate governments, they have a massive problem with waste, fraud and abuse inside, and they will spend on whatever they want to. and, you know, they don't spend on women and children you've seen. they don't care about women and children when it comes to education and to actually teach them what values can actually make them money and produce a capitalist society that actually gets them out of poverty. what they care about is a theocracy that maintains power. they have destroyed women's rights, personal rights. they have destroyed their ability to produce a product. and giving them foreign aid is not a good idea until they watch. >> other u.s. allies. i understand your concern about afghanistan, and you honed in on that one issue. but the bottom line is, should there be exemptions for other u.s. allies beyond egypt and israel? >> of course there should. yeah. i'm not an isolationist. you'll see me very much speaking in support of ukraine and other countries that i think are very important to our strategic

future, but those are debates to be had right now. we have a temporary freeze on certain aid, but i think we can sort this out in rapid order. >> okay. really quickly before we let you go, i'm just thinking about everything you've said during this interview, and you've made it very clear you're concerned about government spending, where taxpayer dollars are going and so forth. you're clearly fiscally conservative. so i want to get your reaction on the use of these military planes that are being used to deport some of these migrants. um, it's more it's hundreds and thousands of dollars more to use these c-17. oh, okay. i think we just lost the congressman. i was going to ask him about the c-17s that are so costly. hundreds of thousands of dollars more to use to deport these migrants than the typical commercial flights. but we'll have to have him back on and ask him that question another time. thanks so much to rich mccormick. and still ahead this hour, trump's choice to head the fbi will go under oath this week and try to convince senators why he is fit for the job. but cnn has some new

reporting about how his personal feuds with career intel officials may have shaped how he will lead super man the christopher reeve story sunday at eight on cnn. >> okay, everyone, our. >> mission is to. >> provide complete, balanced nutrition. >> for. >> strength and energy. >> ensure with 27. >> vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health and ensure complete with 30g of protein. >> my plane has mechanical problems. i'll try to get there as soon as i can. >> breakfast looks. >> delicious as always. >> having a. >> chauffeured car plane. side helps. keep me on schedule. >> hi jeff, with all. >> the. plane shortages, did you have trouble finding one? >> i never. >> have any trouble. i simply pick a plane, pay, and i'm ready to bag it to my destination. >> are there any taxis around? i'm really late for my meeting. >> do we have a deal? >> mr.. at meeting today. >> and don't miss out on the most important moments of your life.

>> call for a. complimentary flight. >> if it. >> seems life has gotten more expensive, you're not alone. the cost of just about everything has gone up, and nearly 77% of americans are stressed about their financial situation. that's why if you're driving an out of warranty car, you need to call carshield now. protect yourself from not only mechanical breakdowns, but also from the stress of rising rates. >> carshield offers plans that cover expensive repairs that cover up to 5000 parts of your car, like your engine, transmission, electronics, and more. >> why pay those expensive repair bills? call carshield now! >> i love to travel, and for carshield administrators to save us over $1,000, that's money that i could plan my next vacation with. >> carshield. nationwide coverage. i'm protected. if you've got an older vehicle that's got some miles on it, get yourself protected with carshield. you won't regret it. >> call carshield before a breakdown. it could save you thousands. call( 800) 566-1230.

>> it's so. >> simple. >> a plan through carshield. >> means when you have a vehicle that breaks down, you get nationwide coverage no matter where. >> you go. >> and that's not all. each plan includes 24 over seven coast to coast roadside assistance, courtesy towing and rental car options, too. >> all those added benefits for one. >> low monthly. >> payment, in my opinion, is a great value. >> car repairs are very expensive, but with carshield, that's nothing to worry about. if you're driving a car out of warranty, you need to go right now. >> while everything around us may have gotten more expensive, the memories we create in. >> our cars are priceless. >> and calling carshield now could help you save thousands on car repairs to keep your car on the road longer, stress less, and call now to get your free quote. >> it's not a matter of if your car will break down, but when. call carshield now before it's too late and save money with your price lock guarantee. call carshield now. call 805 66123 0800 5661230 ( 800) 566-1230.

>> living with crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis often means spending hours at an. >> infusion center. >> envision being. >> able to self-inject your. >> treatment at home with some ventra your infliximab maintenance treatment. >> can be managed. >> in the comfort of your own home. this is a shift. >> that can make. >> a difference. >> xie feng is the only self-injectable infliximab maintenance treatment for adults with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's disease. xie feng can lower your ability to fight infections, serious infections, cancers, blood, liver, and nervous system issues, severe allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b are prone to infections or have flu like symptoms or sores. ask your doctor if xie feng is right for

you. >> action hero. >> cesari was that necessary? >> no. >> neither is a blown weekend with paycom. employees do their own payroll so you can fix problems before. >> they become problems. >> get paycom. >> and make the unnecessary. >> unnecessary. >> hi, susan. honey. yeah, i respect that, but that cough looks pretty bad. try this. robitussin, honey. >> the real honey you love. plus the powerful cough relief you need. >> mind if i root through your trash? >> robitussin. the only brand with true source certified honey. >> well, this week on capitol hill, robert f. kennedy jr. is set to appear before two senate committees for his confirmation hearings to lead the department of health and human services. kennedy is a well-known vaccine skeptic, and his lawyer has actually called on the fda to revoke approval for the polio vaccine. that attorney aaron siri says kennedy has nothing to do with that petition. joining us now is congressman steve cohen, a democrat from tennessee. thanks for coming on. i should note to our viewers you

are a polio survivor, and you have called on the senate to reject kennedy's nomination. so, congressman, thank you for joining us. let me just ask you off the bat. kennedy is now saying i'm all for the polio vaccine. he has said that in recent weeks, since he was named as trump's pick for hhs secretary. trump himself has said the polio vaccine is not going away. do you not believe that? >> i don't believe much of what donald trump says. he changes from day to day. and bobby seems to be doing the same thing. bobby has been running around with a bunch of conspiratorial people on on vaccine. vaccine skeptics for years. and he said that the polio vaccine caused more illness and deaths than it saved, protected and saved. well, he's wrong. in 1954, my father was a doctor, gave the polio vaccine to second graders. i was in kindergarten, so i didn't get the polio vaccine. my brother did. i got polio in september after he had the vaccine in his hands in march, but didn't have

the protocol to give it to me. hospital for two and a half months. i've had problems with my leg over the years. polio is a part of my life and i wear a brace now, and i have some difficulties with what's called post-polio. i cannot stand by. nor should mitch mcconnell, and allow this nomination to go through that threatens polio to children and people all over the world. it's still present in certain parts of the world. it's at a case or two in this country, and we've got a pandemic coming up. and bobby wasn't real good on on covid vaccines, and we might be having a bird flu pandemic that would be worse than covid. and we've got a problem in kansas right now with a breakout of tuberculosis. we need the top doc, the top scientist at the hhs, somebody who believes in science, if not a scientist. and bobby's not that guy. and that's a very dangerous, dangerous, dangerous nomination to the people of the world. children in the united states. >> you mentioned mitch mcconnell, republican in the

senate. he is also a polio survivor. have you talked to him about this? and rfk jr.'s nomination? >> to be honest, no. i tried to get him to join me in an op ed that i wrote that was published in usa today, and they said that they had said what they were going to say, and that was it, that they had skepticism and little problems with what he'd done. mitch might end up voting no, just as he did on on hegseth. but you got to have four people vote no, and there should be four people. um, i saw one of my democratic friends said he might vote for him because he went to law school with him in virginia. well, i've known bobby since 1980. he's always been nice to me, and we've had a good relationship. but he's not the man for hhs. and this is dangerous. and so i had a need to speak out. and anybody else, democrat or republican, to speak up for for health science, the nih, him to be in charge of the nih, to be in charge of the cdc. and he's got all these theories that he's got about vaccines. and he told the people in samoa that if they used that a measles outbreak and they shouldn't take

a measles vaccine, well, they had 81 people die because people listened to him and didn't take the measles vaccine. and it spread and it spread. we need to use vaccines are wonderful. uh, panacea in the world that was given to us and jonas salk and doctor sabin gave us the polio vaccine. and other physicians who a great job in scientists producing this. and we need to use those vaccines and those scientists and abilities. uh, not not stop them and put a stop on them like trump has done with our with our financial support for children and people that need food. >> i just want to be clear for our viewers, because there's been a lot to track over the last week plus, right? um, there has been no pledge or vow to to stop vaccinations from trump and rfk jr.. they have said they want to do more research. they want to look at them, but that they're not going to just stop vaccines. right. what do you say to that? taking a deeper dive at looking into these vaccines,

like the polio vaccine. >> you have placebos given to some people and the vaccine given to others, and those with placebos can very easily could be vulnerable to the to the virus because they haven't gotten the vaccine. these have proven and effective vaccines. and you don't need to start from scratch with somebody who was a lawyer, uh, doing environmental work and putting him in charge. i mean, this whole trump administration is topsy turvy, and trump will say anything he told the people he cared about, the people he cares about the billionaires. that's what this is all about. is project 2025. saving money, taking programs away from common, everyday people that need government help and giving it to the wealthiest people in this country. this is a takeover of our government by donald trump to make us like hungary and orban and an authoritarian oligarchy in our country. and it's scary as hell. >> and that is your view. and there are certainly other democrats who have come out and

echoed that same concern. but on rfk jr.. um, i want to just follow up on that, because i've talked to some senators who have said, look, i do not like his past history with vaccines. that really concerns me. but i do like these other initiatives that he is vowing to follow through on, such as, you know, um, cutting down on processed foods and clean water and air and, you know, fluoride in the water and some of these other issues that are really appealing to a lot of people. and so they're kind of, you know, thinking about voting for him because of those other things that he is talking about. what do you say to those senators? >> well, first of all, michelle obama did a lot of things that bobby is talking about and changing the children's lunch programs and what they would get to make sure they got vegetables and fresh vegetables and fruits. and that was changed because people revolted against it and the food industry was against it. bobby's not ahead of michelle obama, believe me in any changes you make are going

to be affected by the food industry. sure, we have too much processed food. sure, people are overweight and way, way beyond what they should be, but that's their choices. and people, no matter what you do, mayor bloomberg tried to get people to stop getting gigantic soft drinks. well, that didn't go over well either. and people continue to eat an unhealthy food. and that's what america runs on. we run on big burgers and fries and unhealthy foods, put bobby in some food program, put him in iowa and let him work on agriculture programs. but don't put him in charge of health, health and food don't necessarily have to go together. their food programs. he could be involved in. but the idea that, uh, he should be put in charge of vaccines and medicines and surgical, uh, and different procedures because he has some good idea about processed foods and people losing weight is absurd. >> congressman steve cohen, thank you for coming on to share your point of view here. we appreciate it, especially given your history as a polio survivor. you have a unique

perspective. go ahead. >> thank you. i do, and i would be wrong for me not to speak out for all the people who've had polio and all the people who might have polio. it's not a fun disease and it affects me these days. now it's called post-polio syndrome. >> i'm sorry to hear that. thank you so much, congressman. and still ahead this hour, just as the trump administration has allowed ice agents to look for illegal immigrants in schools and churches, the oklahoma board of education is voting right now on whether to require proof of u.s. citizenship to enroll in school. we're going to have a live report up next. >> erin burnett out front tonight at seven on cnn. >> here you go. >> is there any way to get a better price. >> on this? >> have you checked single. >> care before. >> i. >> pick up my prescription? >> i always. >> check the single care price. >> it's quick, easy and totally free to use. >> single care can literally beat my insurance co-pay.

>> go to single care.com and start saving today. >> that's $225 for the night. >> not bad. >> $155 for the night. how it's easy when. >> you know where to look. >> trivago compares hotel prices from hundreds of sites so you can save up to 40%. hotel trivago. >> want the fastest working glp one for half the price. ron rowe now offers fda approved weight loss injections cheaper with results. you can see faster, lose 15% of your weight with a formula from eli lilly. see if you qualify at koco-tv. >> you founded. >> your. >> kayak company because you love the ocean, not spreadsheets you need to hire. >> i need indeed. >> indeed you do. our matching platform lets you spend less time searching and more time connecting with candidates. visit indeed.com slash hire. >> this is what it feels like to file with taxslayer. confident you'll get your guaranteed maximum refund. taxslayer file fearlessly.

>> $273. this is how much you spend every month on subscriptions. >> i only have like 2 or. >> 3, right? >> that's what we all think. but in reality, there's so much more that we don't even know we're paying for. >> so how do i put more of this cash back in my pocket? >> rocket money is a financial app that shows you every subscription you're paying for, even that one you forgot about from five years ago. >> huh? >> i can't believe i'm still paying for this. i'll call and cancel right now. >> with rocket money. they even cancel it for you. >> really? >> yep. all you have to do is tap a few buttons and they take care of it. download rocket money today. >> some people. >> like doing. >> things the hard way, like doing their finances with a spreadsheet instead of using quicken. quicken pulls all your financial info together in one place and updates it automatically. how easy is that? >> that moment you walk in the office and people are wearing the same gear, you feel a sense of connectedness and belonging right away, and our shirts from customink help bring us together. >> we make it easy to. >> wow all your groups. >> with high. >> quality custom apparel and promo. >> products, all backed by our

guarantee at custom inc.com. >> i had the worst dream last night. you were in a car crash and the kids and i were on our own. >> that's awful. >> my brother was saying he got life insurance from ethos and he got $2 million in coverage. all online. >> life insurance made. easy. check your price today at ethos. com. >> did you know some liquid laundry detergents are designed to leave chemical residue on your clothes? try earth breeze laundry detergent sheets. unlike some liquid laundry detergents, earth breeze delivers a powerful clean with less chemical residue and no optical brighteners. plus, each sheet is made of 100% concentrated cleaning ingredients to fight tough stains. for a powerful clean with less chemical residue, try earth breeze, available at walmart. brand power helping you buy better. >> and here we go. >> consumer cellular uses the same towers as big wireless, but then passes the savings on to you. >> so i get the same fast

mary so gary doesn't miss a meeting and can regain his lunch break. try now for free. visit otter.ai or

download the. >> app. >> as the trump administration escalates its anti-immigration fight, oklahoma is taking the battle to the state's schools. today, the oklahoma board of education is voting on a proposal that would require families to provide proof of citizenship or legal immigration status when enrolling their children in schools. at a public hearing last month, critics of the plan expressed their outrage. every child. >> no. >> matter their legal status. >> deserves equal. >> equal access to education. and if you don't agree with that, then. >> you're in the wrong job. >> i cannot fathom. >> what. the purpose. >> is for this, except. >> to try and keep. >> students out of school. >> cnn's whitney wild joins us now. the proposal is a brainchild of oklahoma's republican state superintendent ryan walters. as you know, whitney, he has had a series of controversial moves there in oklahoma, some of which we have covered here on this show. he is actually an outspoken fan of donald trump, president trump. tell us more about why

why he did this. well. >> he spoke. >> at this. >> hearing or this board meeting. >> rather today, which is going on at this minute to try to. >> explain the. >> intention of this proposal. and what he. >> says is that this is purely for data collection. so the hope here is to get it from walter's perspective, is to get a very good understanding of what is going on on the ground. >> they want. >> to know how many students are legal citizens, how many students are immigrants who are here legally, and the effort here, he says, is to make sure that they can correctly allocate resources. he spoke at the beginning of this board hearing about the costs of moving money around to try to fulfill needs of different types of students, students, for example, pamela, who are english second language learners. so they insist that this is a blind data collection to ensure that they are properly allocating funds. here's what superintendent walters said at the beginning of this board meeting our rule around illegal

immigration. >> accounting is simply that. >> it is to. account for how many students of illegal immigrants are in our schools. we want to make sure that all that information is gathered so that we can make decisions on where resources go, where personnel goes, and we can continue to make sure that oklahoma is leading the country in education reform. but to do that, you have to have information. you have to have the data around where your kids are coming from. >> pam, there are so many questions around the intention of the proposal. and so when he's talking about resources, the question is, does that mean they will put more money into schools with students who may be undocumented or take money away? and so these are all the questions that are surrounding this board vote. we still do not yet have a vote on this proposal. but, pamela, i was speaking earlier today with someone who is very much against this proposal and he just flat out does not believe that this is the blind data collection. they are saying it is the major concern here, beyond just the

concern about how resources are going to be allocated. the concern here is that this is just the tip of the iceberg. it is a very slippery slope. the more you collect and demand data about people's immigration status, the concern is that that will eventually mean that students aren't showing up to school or additional i.c.e. actions based on this information. pam. >> all right. whitney wild, thank you so much. and coming up, the stunning rise of deepseek, the chinese artificial intelligence company is sending shock waves through the world of a.i. i'll speak to elon musk's a.i. safety advisor up next. >> my eyes, they're dry, uncomfortable looking for extra hydration. now there's blink nutrition. it works differently than drops. blink nutrition is a once daily supplement clinically proven to hydrate from within, helping your eyes produce more of their own tears to promote lasting, continuous relief you'll feel day after day. try blink nutrition. here's a different

way to support dry eyes. >> blink tears. >> hungryroot is here. >> and i needed it because my fridge is super empty. >> it's so easy to. >> just whip. >> together a quick, healthy meal. >> head to. >> hungryroot. >> com for. >> healthy groceries and simple recipes, plus get free veggies for life. >> i guess i'm. >> not the easiest person to please. i like things just right. >> oh. >> that's why i love redfin's home recommendations. they know what i want even before i do a home that's just right. >> yes. yes at humana. >> we believe. >> your health care should evolve. >> with you. >> and part of that evolution means. >> choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. hi, my name is sam davis, and i'm going to tell you about medicare advantage prescription drug plans that can provide more coverage than original medicare, including prescription drug coverage, all wrapped up into one

convenient plan. with original medicare, you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you have to meet a deductible for each, and then you're still responsible for 20% of the cost. next, let's look at medicare supplement plans. if a service is covered under original medicare, then a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your medicare deductibles and the 20% coinsurance. but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare advantage prescription drug plans include medical coverage, plus prescription drug coverage with $0 copays on hundreds of prescriptions. most plans include $0 copays for covered preventive dental services, vision coverage that includes vision exams and a yearly allowance toward eyewear. even hearing benefits that include routine hearing exams and coverage toward hearing aids. you can get $0 copays for

in-network preventive services and $0 copays for routine vaccines, and there's worldwide coverage for emergency and urgent care. when you travel. plus, humana also offers medicare advantage plans. plans have $0 or low monthly plan premiums, and there's a cap on your out of pocket costs, so call or go online today to see if there's a humana plan in your area. and to get our free decision guide. licensed humana sales agents are standing by. so call now. humana a more human way to health care. >> your business needs to hire someone now. so in addition to managing your business, you have to go through hundreds of resumes and hope for the best. or you can go and get the best. introducing paychex recruiting copilot it uses a.i. to help find potential candidates from millions of profiles, whether they're looking for a job or not. then it helps you get in touch and get them hired five

times faster than job postings. get your own paychex recruiting copilot now at paychex.com/tv. >> that grimy film on your teeth. >> doctor g. >> it's actually the buildup of plaque bacteria which can cause cavities. >> most toothpaste quit. >> working in minutes, but crespo health's antibacterial fluoride protects all day. >> it stops. >> cavities before. >> they start. >> crest. >> watching my mom struggle with recurring utis held us both back. >> then she found uqora. >> uqora offers. >> uti relief. >> and science backed supplements for proactive urinary health. life's too short. >> to be put on hold by utis. >> join us at uqora. >> com closed captioning brought to you by book.com. >> if you or a loved one have. >> mesothelioma. >> we'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have. call now and we'll come to you. >> 808 two one 4000. >> well, this morning stocks are evening out after the chinese artificial intelligence startup deepseek took wall street and

the tech world by storm. chip maker nvidia opened at a slight increase. slight of 2%, after losing nearly $600 billion in market value following a surprise announcement from deepseek on monday. the chinese company announced an a.i. model called deepseek r1 that rivals the capabilities of american competitors, and deepseek says their technology operates at a fraction of the cost. joining us now is dan hendricks. dan is elon musk's a.i. safety advisor and director of the nonprofit organization center for a.i. safety. and dan, you know, i know you informally advise folks in the trump administration and congress as well on this. just bring us in and help us understand this. the implications, your reaction to the rise of deepseek and the shockwaves it's now sending through the tech world? >> yeah, glad. >> to be here. i think deepseek is definitely an

advance, but this advance actually came from u.s. company. the u.s. company openai. openai announced their reasoning advance a few months ago, and this caused all the major players to try and replicate it. as it happens, this advance doesn't require nearly as many resources, just on the order of millions as opposed to billions to try and imitate. so as a consequence, china was able to imitate this despite having far fewer a.i. resources like a.i. chips. so i think that's what this means is that there's an more even playing field, and the u.s. companies have less of a moat. it's a lot easier for other competitors, small competitors to catch up, including from china. and this makes the a.i. race much more competitive. so the administration will need to think about what are we going to do about a.i.? how does the u.s. prevent china from getting ahead.? >> and there is an argument that because of the tight export controls on china, it may have sort of spurred this on and sped

up china's advancement when it comes to a.i. as you know, deepseek says it spent only $5.6 million training its new r1a1 model. but a.i. model, i should say. of course, there are lots of questions about those claims, but what do you say about that argument? >> i think that the export controls are the main way the u.s. has an advantage. so china has an. china and the u.s. are tied on the specific a.i. algorithms. the data that can go into them. the china has more of an ability to have energy to train these a.i. models with. but the u.s .'s main advantage is our computational resources, our a.i. chips. and if anything, i think this points in the direction that we should have had tighter export controls and more enforcement officers making sure that there was less smuggling happening. this would have made china less competitive in making these models. but in the future, chips will still be very important if the a.i. models get much more capable than the amount of chips the

u.s. has versus china has is very important because it determines the number of ais that you can be running at once. if china can only be running 100,000 ais, and the u.s. can be running 10 million ais at once, that makes a substantial difference in the economic and the economics. >> who's ahead right now in the a.i. race, china or the u.s.? >> i think it's basically tied, and one can assume that for the intelligence of the models, this will continue to be the case. if china was really far behind, they could just steal the model. right now they're making their own. but if they're really far behind, they could just hack and steal. and they also have, you know, the a.i. companies employ often 30% plus of their employees are chinese nationals. so it wouldn't be that difficult to figure out what's going on at these a.i. companies behind closed doors. this is sort of. so i don't think it makes sense to start a manhattan project. this would be like having a manhattan project where you have 30% of your scientists be soviets. so given that talent at these companies is multinational, i don't think it's really an option to try

and securitize the labs, make sure everybody has security clearances, lock them down and make sure the u.s. has an edge there. i think the u.s. and china, the u.s. and china will be around at the same level as far as the smarts of their models, but the number of models that they can run is a different dimension, and that we could that the u.s. could beat them on using chips or having more. >> chips should. >> why should every american listening to this interview right now really care about this? because some of this is like high level. you know, you're talking about chips and china and, you know, gpus. and i think sometimes people have a hard time understanding the direct impact. help us understand that. and what is elon musk thinking. >> yeah. so as far as direct impacts right now, i still isnt that capable of it. i mean, i use it every day. a lot of hundreds of millions of people use it every day. but it's not reshaping the economy right now. however, there is some very rapid improvement happening behind the scenes. so the a.i. models are getting much

better at coding and mathematics, and a lot of these very complicated subjects. so a lot of people in the industry after the openai's reasoning advances recently, are thinking that it's possible that you get a substantial, um, or very concerning amount of software automation, potentially by the end of this year. so that could substantially change the economy if software engineering is largely automated and other types of forms of digital labor. so it's on the horizon right now. a.i. is not causing substantial impacts, but it's on such a fast trajectory. i mean, last year, the rate of improvement was maybe the performance on the key measures will go up a few percent every few months. now it's about a few percent every few days. um, so things are moving very quickly. and china was able to catch up because things are moving so quickly now. earlier it was a lot harder to make progress. but with this new

paradigm, it can, in the course of two months, they were able to go from being, you know, a year behind to caught up to where everybody else is. >> you say it's a tie now. wow. dan hendricks, thank you so much. we'll be right back. >> thank you for having. >> me. >> just close. >> the doors. >> and you're in. >> a. >> world of your own. >> travel is not just about the destination. it's also about how you get there. >> fly emirates. fly better. >> on weight loss meds. >> you need. >> relenza nutritional support while. >> on glp one. it supports muscle.

>> tone. digestive health, and skin elasticity. >> look and feel your best while on weight loss meds. relenza is available at these fine stores. >> anyone home. >> in huron? jean, how's it going, honey? there's a lot to take care of. more sympathy cards. >> your mom was well loved. i hope you know how grateful she was to have you. >> i know. speaking of grateful. >> what is it? >> it's a check from united. of omaha life insurance company. mom's life insurance. >> life insurance? so soon? >> just like they said. >> my sister always looking out for her family. >> i can still hear her. i don't want my bills to be your problem this check will help a lot. >> if you're. >> age 45. >> to. >> 85. >> you can't be turned. >> down for up to $25,000 in life insurance from united of omaha. policy starts at just $6.38. >> a month. >> and benefits could be paid in as little as 24 hours. >> how did she qualify? you know, with her health issues.

>> with these policies, health issues don't matter. she was so relieved. >> policies are available with no health questions, no medical exam, no blood tests. >> i just. >> assumed life insurance would be way over my budget. >> no one kept a tighter budget than mom. if she could manage the rates, you can too. >> but did her rates go up every year? >> nope. there's a rate lock built into the policy. >> policy starts at just $6.38 a month. your rate is locked in for life. the cost of a funeral can be $9,000 or more. with one call, you can give your loved ones the protection they need to help pay these costs. and unlike some policies, benefits are payable from the first day. >> mom just felt better knowing we'd have help and i couldn't be more grateful. you should call your nine year of omaha. >> i guess i'll never stop learning from my big sister. >> don't put off life insurance. call united of omaha today. >> call( 800) 595-7199. you can't be turned down. call

today to lock in your rates.( 800) 595-7199. that's( 800) 595-7199. >> ah, it's a good day to cough. >> oh, no. bye bye. >> cough. chest congestion. hello. >> 12 hours of relief. >> 12 hours. >> not coughing at the movies. still not. >> coughing ah. >> mucinex dm 12 hour. >> doesn't just quiet coughs. it treats coughs caused by excess treats coughs caused by excess mucus at the source and controls i'm not happy with the way that pg&e handled the wildfires. yeah. yeah. i totally, totally understand. we're adding a ton of sensors. as soon as something comes in contact with the power line, it'll turn off so that there's not a risk

that it's gonna fall to the ground and start a fire. okay. and i want you to be able to feel the improvements. we've been able to reduce wildfire risk from our equipment by over 90%. that's something i want to believe. [skateboard sounds] >> oh. >> what's that? >> that's a duck. >> start your will at trust and wilcom now and make it count. >> lockerbie, february 16th on cnn. >> well, tomorrow robert f. kennedy jr. is set to testify at the first of two confirmation hearings. he is nominated to lead the department of health and human services. senator tammy baldwin sits on the health, education, labor and pensions committee. senator, thank you for joining us. so kennedy will appear before your

committee on thursday. what do you want to ask him? well, i'm. >> not going to tip my. >> hand in terms. >> of the. >> questions. >> but in essence, i want to ask why he thinks he knows better than everyone else. he thinks he knows better than the experts about vaccines. he thinks he knows better than women about reproductive care. look, he has been a leading purveyor of misinformation and conspiracy theories, particularly around vaccines, but about other things, too. he thinks cell phones cause cancer. he said that he would fire 600 members of the nih scientists on day one if he is confirmed. and let's drill down a bit on the vaccines before the polio vaccine. half a million people worldwide died or were paralyzed each year before the measles vaccine. well, we can say that it saved 60 million

lives since it first started being administered. and so this is dangerous to have somebody who believes these sort of things lead the largest health agency in the world. >> is there anything he could say to win your vote? >> you know, there isn't. at this point, i did have a chance to meet with him one on one privately. earlier, before the hearing, and he did nothing to ease my concerns that i've just shared. he is one of the leading purveyors of this misinformation and conspiracy theory, and it is downright dangerous. i think about all of these nominees through the lens of whether they will help or harm wisconsinites, and we don't want parents worried about their children getting measles or mumps or polio for that matter. and and we also are very supportive of the mission of the national

institutes for health and their research into breakthroughs to treat and cure cancer and alzheimer's and diabetes and so many other debilitating illnesses. he would be so dangerous in this job. >> so when you did meet with him, did he provide any reassurance on the vaccines? as you know, he has said he won't take vaccines away from the american public. what do. >> you say? look, when somebody shows you who he is, you believe it. he said on a podcast that no vaccine is safe or effective. he has pushed out conspiracy theories and disregarded the experts. he's also cherry picked a study here or there that he thinks backs some of his claims. but it goes against the overwhelming view of the scientific community. and so, again, i think that when somebody shows you who he is, you should believe him. >> i want to talk about all the other news that is happening.

the trump administration is pausing all federal grants and loans, as well as foreign aid. your colleague in the senate, fellow democrat chris murphy, is sounding the alarm on the president's actions in these first days of his administration, quote, the freezing of federal grants, the firing of all inspector generals, the immunization of political violence. does everybody not see what's happening that trump is trying to collapse our democracy and probably our economy and seize control? call it what it is. um, what do you say to that? do you agree? >> i absolutely agree with my colleague. and this is defying all the checks and balances. this is virtually a trump government shutdown, and we're already hearing from constituents, police departments, fire departments are wondering whether their grant funding is going to come through. school lunch programs are wondering whether tomorrow they'll be able to serve students in their schools. lunch. we're hearing from head start and child care that they

think their ability to provide services is a huge question mark right now. and so he has invited chaos. and it is kind of tantamount to a trump government shutdown first of all. >> what is your understanding of the actual impact? because i know we're hearing from a lot of different groups, but i think we're also trying to wrap our head around the direct impact immediately. and also, what do you say to the counterargument of, well, trump was very open and transparent when he was on the campaign trail, and all of these americans voted for him to be in office? what do you say to that? >> look, the president's responsibility is to implement the laws and bills that congress passes, and he is flouting them instead. and that is a serious challenge to the checks and balances that need to be in place. he can have his input going forward, but

right now he is charged with implementing the law of the land. and these measures have been passed into law on a bipartisan basis. i might add. so you. >> so your concern is, look, you know, for example, the congressional funding, this is the appropriated money from congress, and he can't do what he's doing. so what are you going to do about it as a member of congress? >> well, we are going to stand up and fight. we are also certainly exploring the legal actions that can be taken and coordinating all of us with our governors and our state attorneys general, because this is something that cannot just we can't be rolled over, and this is going to have potentially dire impacts on our constituencies. >> senator tammy baldwin, thank you. and please keep in touch with us in terms of if you do actually take any of those actions you laid out. and thank

you all for joining us. i'm pamela brown on a very busy tuesday. you can follow me on instagram, tiktok and x at pamela brown cnn. stay with us. inside politics with dana bash starts after a short break welcome back. >> have i got news. >> for you returns february 15th on cnn. >> if you're living. >> with. >> diabetes, i'll. >> tell you the. >> same thing i tell my patients. getting on dexcom g7 is one of the. easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes and help protect yourself from the long term health problems it can cause. this small wearable replaces finger sticks, lowers anc, and it's covered by medicare. >> not managing. your diabetes really affects your health for the future. the older you get, the more complications you're going to see. >> i knew i couldn't ignore my diabetes anymore because it was

causing my eyesight to go bad. >> before the dexcom g7, doctors appointments were not something i looked forward to. >> for my patients, getting on dexcom g7 is the biggest eye opener they've ever had. >> when i got into dexcom g7, i couldn't believe how easy it was. this small wearable sends my glucose numbers right to my phone or my receiver. with just a glance, i can see if i'm going high, low or steady so i can quickly get my glucose under control and better protect myself from complications. my anc is down to 5.8. >> call now to. >> get started on the most accurate and most recommended cgm brand. you'll also get a free discussion guide for your next doctor's visit. dexcom g7 has changed my life for the better. now i'm a superstar. my anc is 5.7. >> my anc has never been lower. i go swimming, i ride my exercise bike, and i play with

my grandkids. i finally have my life back. >> my wife. >> used to worry. >> about me having diabetes. >> before my dexcom g7, but. >> now she doesn't worry as much. because she knows. >> it gives me a lot of peace of mind. i want him to be around forever. >> no other cgm system is more affordable for medicare patients. don't miss out. you may be entitled to this valuable benefit. call the number on your screen now to talk to a real person. >> goldilocks needs a place of her own and fast. thankfully, she's on redfin. they update their listings every two minutes, and with so many options, she's bound to find exactly what she w

for all those making it big out there... ...shouldn't your mobile service be able to keep up with you? get wifi speeds up to a gig at home and on the go. introducing powerboost, only from xfinity mobile. now that's big. xfinity internet customers, cut your mobile bill in half vs. t-mobile, verizon, and at&t for your first year. plus, ask how to get the new samsung galaxy s25+ on us. physicians mutual. call or visit. send info kit comm for all the details. >> physicians mutual. >> physicians mutual. >> closed captioning is brought to you by purple. greatest sleep ever invented. >> we've been out. >> of a job. >> that's because. >> purple mattresses. >> are made. >> with patented gel. >> flex grid technology. >> do not go to purple. com. >> do not visit a

puto