going to be limited to rooting out militants, but rather that the israeli military plans to keep an extended presence in the jenin refugee camp. we are now also on the cusp of three more hostages being released, and we've now learned the names of those three set to be released tomorrow. arbel yehoud, a 29 year old who was taken captive from kibbutz nir oz gadi mozes, also from kibbutz nir oz. he is 80 years old. one of the oldest hostages still being held in gaza, and then agam berger, a 20 year old israeli soldier who was held alongside those other field observers who were released this past weekend. five thai hostages, we are told, are also set to be released, though their identities are unknown at this point. that is, in addition to the framework of those 33 hostages set to be released throughout these six weeks. >> our thanks to jeremy diamond, and thanks so much to all of you. i'm jim sciutto in the situation room. thank you for watching. erin burnett out front starts right now outfront next

victory. >> democrats are celebrating a win after trump backtracks on his attempt to freeze federal funding. the president, though, is saying he is not reversing course. plus, a brutal grilling. democrats tearing into rfk jr.. about vaccines and his role in a deadly measles outbreak. the governor of hawaii, also a doctor who helped deal with the fallout from kennedy's vaccine claims, is my guest and breaking news. trump now announcing plans to send up to 30,000 migrants to guantanamo bay, promising to send what he claims are the, quote, worst criminal migrants to the military base. let's go out front. and good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, democrats claiming victory. house minority leader hakeem jeffries on a private call with democrats claiming they won round one after trump was forced to backtrack and rescind his order. that would have frozen trillions of dollars in federal spending for things including meals on wheels.

jeffries telling his party that they may have won this battle, but of course, as they see it, they are still at war. jeffries, according to the new york times, saying, quote, it is a congressional fight as well as a court fight and a street fight. but at this moment, to be honest, it is unclear what democrats are really fighting for or what their next move is just even on this, because the confusion is growing over trump's efforts to clean up what's left in the wake of that spending freeze. because just moments ago, a federal judge came out and said he does not buy the administration's claim that it rescinded trump's order. the judge warning he'll block trump's freeze again. and really, this is all because of what's transpired over the past few hours. at 1 p.m., the administration sent out this two line note declaring omb memorandum m25 13 is rescinded. bureaucratic speak for. we're taking it back. 40 minutes later, trump's press secretary fired off a tweet, quote, this is not the rescission of the

federal funding freeze. the president's executive orders on federal funding remain in full force and effect, and will be rigorously implemented. okay, so so what is it? you know, they had this whole whether the executive orders and then they put the memo on top of it, you know, some sort of confusing soup. earlier, trump was asked about what was happening after he signed his first bill into law the president. >> government funding. can you take a quick question. >> on. >> government funding? the pause. >> i don't think this is appropriate time, really. >> okay. >> i respect that, but i don't think it's appropriate. i can just tell you government is doing very well and we're cutting way back, but this is not the appropriate time. >> all right. well he didn't want to talk about it then, but minutes before he was happy to give some specifics like this. >> and that process we identified and stopped $50 million being sent to gaza to

buy condoms for hamas 50 million. >> okay, just because the facts matter, our daniel dale checked that claim because, i mean, you know, you're like, wait, what? okay, well, this is what it turns out. the white house and the state department had no evidence that even came close to approving this claim. even close. in fact, total worldwide spending on usaid condom spending for the whole world is less than $50 billion. so that that does not add up. meanwhile, it is worth noting that trump's view on the spending freeze did meet bipartisan resistance. i'm sure it was more democrat than republican, but there were republicans pounding the table on this one, some of them now cheering trump's decision to backtrack, backtrack on the spending freeze. >> i made it clear. >> that i thought. >> it was too sweeping, that it was causing a lot of confusion and consternation in my state, particularly for nonprofit organizations and i. am glad that. it's apparently been

rescinded. >> and pennsylvania senator dave mccormick posting tonight. i'm grateful to all the pennsylvanians who reached out about the administration's spending pause over the last 24 hours. the pause has been rescinded. your input made a difference. thank you. an important one. obviously. not just a republican senator, but one who, you know, barely won with trump's backing. so, you know, important to to see where dave mccormick stands. jeff zeleny is out front, live outside the white house. so, jeff, it's truly stunning to see how quickly donald trump rescinded the memo. and he did rescind the memo. the memo was what made the spending freeze universal, and it was what made it so big. the executive orders that underlie it were more specific about things like, what we're talking dei and gender. right. but it was a memorandum that made it so broad, including things like meals on wheels. >> erin, it's one of the fastest and certainly broadest reversals that i can ever recall. president trump doing. and it is a setback for his view of executive authority that

clearly, with every executive order, every executive action is testing what are the limits of presidential authority? we've been talking a lot about spending. who controls spending? congress or the president. but this rescinding was a big deal also because of how the white house just yesterday defended it, went to great lengths to defend, saying that programs were not being affected. while republicans. you mentioned david mccormick there. i talked to a republican senator today who said, a, we weren't informed about this, but b, we were hearing an earful from constituents. so the reality here is when the federal judge last night put a temporary pause on this, the white house had a decision to make, and they decided not to go forward with the legal fight here. now, that does not mean that this is the only discussion here. obviously, they still believe in sort of trimming down federal spending and going after some of these programs. but in this case, at least, it clearly was a sense of this controversy and confusion led to the white house backtracking very quickly. we

will see if that happens. on other issues we do not know, but it was very unusual from that respect. but the white house clearly still intends to test this executive authority on other issues, erin. >> all right. jeff zeleny, thank you very much. and astead herndon of the new york times is with me now, along with republican strategist lauren tomlinson and former democratic congressman max rose. so i'm really glad to have all of you with us. i said, let me start with you again. you know, not on my bingo card. fact checks on us aids, global condom spending, but certainly worth worldwide spending is below what trump said was spent in gaza. okay, so i'm trying to understand though instead what's really happening here. they put out these executive orders that say they don't want a variety of things die, among them green new deal. then they put out a memo that pauses a spending on that and everything else. and judge shuts it down. they say they're going to fight it, and then all of a sudden they just cave and remove the memo. yeah. is that really what's happening? >> i think we should, you. >> know, we should.

>> we should use our brains here. right? >> i think what. >> happened here. >> is the. >> public pushback caused the white. >> house to reverse. and i think. >> that it. >> shows the difference between. >> campaigning and governing. to me, donald trump on the campaign. >> trail and. >> his statements and. >> his. >> speeches, things that his aides and folks. >> close to. >> him take. >> as gospel. >> oftentimes speaks in these sweeping tones. right. all funding will be rescinded. we'll we're taking back everything. >> all funding. >> is paused right now. that's how that. original memo was written. and almost immediately it became clear that that creates legitimate funding problems across. >> the government that. >> not only affect democrats or people who they assume are leeching off the government, or they presume in a kind of stereotypical way. but also, of course, a lot of republicans, too. and so that obviously reached kind of republican elected officials and i think caused some of that blowback. but to me, it was actually a helpful, informative point about a political thing, too, which is that there's a real public response. >> to. >> some of this stuff. we didn't see that at the inauguration. we didn't see that kind of in the last couple of months. i think there was an

open question whether the 2017 moment of people pushing back against trump still existed. i think this serves as a helpful reminder that when something cuts through, there is real pushback. if it has a negative effect and the elected officials have to respond. >> to that. and there was a response to it. i mean, congressman, obviously trump made it clear where he stands, right? he was behind this. they were going to fight it. and then at least when it came to the broad strokes here, all of this spending they have they have given in. why do you think he rescinded the memo? >> i think a bunch. >> of republicans. >> complained very quietly. >> showing that, in fact, they do have a backbone. >> somewhere. >> some place. >> and donald trump as well. is not a omnipotent demigod. he can be stopped. now, what this. >> also shows. >> though, is. >> that his political project, the maga. >> political project. writ large. >> there's been. >> a hole punctured in it. >> government, they've. >> said. >> is is the problem.

>> and we need we. need to take a sledgehammer to government. they made an attempt to cut government in a large way, and the american people rejected it across the country. this is a very easy thing to campaign on, and a very difficult thing to do. but just the last point. donald trump spent the last four years saying, look, ignore my four years of governing. i didn't know what i was doing, but now we are prepared. but yet again, we see the jv squad. you could reject the ideology all you want, but this was incompetent execution and that's why they backtracked so quickly. it was an embarrassment. >> so lauren, based on what you're hearing from republicans behind the scenes, i mean, i was sharing senator mccormick, senator collins is the former congressman. write about how livid republicans were over this, that they were quietly expressing deep frustration. >> i. >> think deep frustration. >> but mostly they were seeking to clarify. it was a very

ambiguous memo. and very typical to what we saw in trump 1.0. there wasn't a lot of communications to congress before the memo went out. so that created. a lot of confusion. and their main job is to their constituents and making sure that they facilitate that communication between the federal government and what's going on in their states. so i think there was a lot of that. there was a lot of quiet pushback. you know, you wouldn't expect members of the party to go out and blast him publicly on this. but there is also general support for federal government reform, for spending reform. and i think we're going to see this even more in the next coming weeks as congress debates the reconciliation package and the debt ceiling limit and all of these other spending opportunities that they're going to have over the next three months. and so this is going to be a key fight. and this was just step one, i think, for republicans to get their handle around the messaging of how do we rein in government spending so that we make government efficient for the american taxpayers and do so in a way that not only benefits our constituents, but also reforms the federal government in the way that president trump wanted,

wants it reformed. >> so when you were talking about, you know, a fight in round one, it's the same words. it said that we here were used by hakeem jeffries on a call. multiple sources are telling cnn that, you know, the leader, minority leader told democrats they won round one, but it's going to be a much longer fight. i'm curious what your reporting is of of what has just happened. what is this done to democrats who honestly have been it appears, you know, flailing in the wind to try to figure out what what to pick on, what to fight, what they even are? has this given them any cohesion? >> i think it should, and i think it's a helpful reminder that for democrats, there are limits. there are places you can push back from donald trump. his win might have been total in terms of battleground states, but it's not universal in terms of the country. and there's a lot of spaces in which a lot of people are looking for them to push back. but i do think i agree with the last point, that there is broad support for government reform. i would not take it to take it in the 2017 type of way, where democrats should be emboldened to, to to lean into a place of resistance,

where everything that donald trump said is the worst thing that's ever happened. i don't think that is the lesson from this, but i do think there is a lesson to say that there are particular moments of execution with this white house that go beyond the bounds that most americans are down with. and those are the moments where democrats have to understand and to push back. it's a matter of selection and execution and messaging for democrats. they have to recognize when those moments exist and then find the right message to reach people who are tuned into it. >> so. so, lauren, do you think that that the president is trying to find a way around this, as the judge was indicating? the judge is indicating? well, i don't know if you really mean what you say when you're taking it back, and i'll block it again if you're going to try to do it right, that there was real skepticism there from this judge. do you think that that comes from a fair place that, you know, they take the memo back, but now they're trying to find other ways, maybe ways that won't be so obvious to get the same outcome. >> i think that this white house is going to do everything. >> it. >> can to push the limits and. and aggressively implement this

agenda. i don't think that you can fix a broken system by not testing the limits and not trying to blow things up. so i do think that they will go back, you know, karoline leavitt, the press secretary, said that the main reason why they rescinded the the memo was that it freed up omb to actually speak to the agency heads. again, there was a pause on any communication and their original intent with the memo was to find opportunities for waste, fraud and abuse within the government, which requires communications with those agency heads. so i think it put everyone on notice that they're serious about this. and i do think they'll continue to push in all sorts of ways through the courts and others. >> so so, congressman rose, do you think that it's possible that you come out of this, though, with what trump wants, right. which is people to think that he's serious about looking for waste, fraud and abuse? >> look, we should all unite that waste, fraud and abuse is a bad thing when it comes to the provision of government services. but i really look forward to hearing republican members of congress and senators

defend a president who wants to give their state less money, wants to give them less money for services for the elderly, less money for nonprofits, less money for health care, less money for law enforcement. so they're going to go for round two and round three and maybe attempt to do this in a more sophisticated way. but the point will still be the same, less support. and i don't know what their what their defense of that will be, but i certainly look forward to hearing them out. >> all right. well, thank you all very much. i appreciate it. and next, the rfk jr. hearings, the fate of rfk jr. in question. key republicans have refused to come out and support him openly. of course, trump's pick for health secretary. that confirmation hearing was brutal. wait till you hear what we're going to show you. plus, cnn learning that discussions are underway inside trump's justice department to drop the corruption case against new york city's mayor eric adams, something adams, you know, had been clearly hoping would happen given his rhetoric towards

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>> how do you propose that we integrate those programs? >> does medicare pay more medicare, pay less medicaid, pay. >> more. >> medicaid. >> pay less? how do we do that? >> well, the i'm not exactly sure because i'm not in there. i do not know the answer to that. >> so going. >> back to medicaid, though, and speaking of these. specific advances, how would you what reforms are you proposing with these ideas vis a vis medicaid? >> well, i don't have a broad proposal for dismantling the program. >> i did not say, of course, not saying that. >> now, i pressed bill cassidy after this hearing about whether or not he could support rfk jr. after that exchange. and he told me that he thought that the answer spoke for themselves. when i pressed him on whether or not he thought rfk jr. understood the differences between medicare and medicaid. but i would note he will be leading the hearing tomorrow before the help committee. it's going to be really interesting to see what questions he presses

on and follows up on after that exchange today. erin. >> all right. lauren, thank you very much. on capitol hill, and as promised, now i want to go to the democratic governor of hawaii, josh green, who is also an e.r. physician. he's in washington, d.c., tonight because he had spent time in samoa after that measles outbreak. and he has decided it is important for him to go to washington to tell senators why he believes rfk jr.. should not be the hhs secretary. so, governor, i appreciate your time. so now, here you are today. i know you've had a chance to speak, to correct me if i'm wrong, but at least a dozen senators, based on those conversations, do you think kennedy's nomination will pass? >> hard to know. he he totally. >> flopped in. >> his hearing today. didn't know the difference, as you reported. between medicare. >> and medicaid, which is totally fundamental to health and human services. >> i mean. >> it's unbelievable that he couldn't distinguish those and didn't know what to do going forward. i've spoken like i said to. >> these these senators.

>> behind closed doors. >> they are. >> not at all inclined to support him, but. >> there's a ton of pressure on them. >> and i've. >> met now with. six republicans. >> and seven democrats. >> and i will tell you, some of them are afraid because his position on vaccinations is absurd. he obviously is anti-vax. he started. >> an organization. >> that's anti-vax. he demolished the, you know, the confidence in vaccines in samoa as people were dying. and then. >> there's the more conservative. republicans who are pro-life. >> and they. >> want no part of him. >> if this thing went anonymously as a vote, it would be 70 votes. >> against. >> uh. >> let me share this, though. also about samoa. there was a follow up question that no one has. >> asked. and that is. >> when he, you know, tells a lie about not being there. >> to disrupt vaccinations. >> why doesn't anyone ask him, did. you help to vaccinate people? we have resources in america. we have 40,000 samoans that live in hawaii. my community. >> did you go there and help?

no. >> of course he didn't. >> he went there. >> and he did what he described as a. natural experiment to watch measles run over people. >> 5000 people got sick, or. >> 83 people died. i felt. >> the warmth on a child. that had just. >> passed from. >> her. >> fever, but her heartbeat was gone. i mean, it's incredible that this gentleman is able to spin these tales and then still want. >> to be director. >> of health and human services. >> all right. so on this situation with samoa, which obviously is personal to you, and it is where you and he, you know, overlapped so specifically. so you went there to vaccinate people after the measles outbreak. and obviously it's clear where you stand on on what you say his role was in terms of spreading misinformation on the island that led people to be even more hesitant of getting vaccines. so when he did talk about it today, he talked a little bit more than than we played with senator warren. so let me just play that part for you. >> i arrived a year later when vaccination rates were already

below the below. any any previous level i went there nothing to do with vaccines. i went there to introduce a medical informatics system with digitalized records in samoa, and make health delivery much more efficient. i never gave any public statement about vaccines. you cannot find a single samoan who will say, i didn't get a vaccine because of bobby kennedy all right. >> he's definitive there, governor, he says, i never gave a public statement about vaccines. you can't find a samoan who will say, i didn't get a vaccine because of bobby kennedy. i went there nothing to do with vaccines. >> okay. >> may i? he's a liar. >> and it's. because he. >> went there. >> and. >> he met with the anti-vax leader, supported that person who was spreading all of this misinformation. >> and that guy got arrested. >> and we see. pictures of bobby kennedy, rfk jr., with the same.

>> minister that. >> i was with. and then i was actually with people who told me that they were seeing facebook posts demonizing. vaccination programs. he started, he started and founded and sponsored the children's health defense, took $2.2 million in pay from them, and. >> has been. >> continuously engaging with this organization globally. >> he is. >> constantly kind. >> of squirming. >> around the reality, which is he did not support vaccinations. he had no. reason on earth to be there. and then i had to go there with, you know, with 75 doctors and nurses and. vaccinate 37,000 people. >> and they. >> told me while i was there of how he behaved. so we all know he's. >> written six books. >> he tell you this all the time. he's written books. he's questioned. >> vaccinations. >> and it's just enough to sow doubt. because the way vaccinations work, you have to be at 95%, maybe 90%. >> for herd immunity.

>> for herd immunity. he torpedoes it. and makes. >> it even worse. and it takes years to recover. >> so he is dead. >> to rights. >> on doing these things. and it would be fine if he was a nobody. but he's robert kennedy jr., and he actually goes around the globe with these organizations making money off of referrals so that people can sue pharmaceutical companies and so on on vaccinations. now, those pharmaceutical companies, of course, are not angels. i'm not defending anybody. but they did give us a vaccine that saved millions of lives during covid, which he also sued to try to stop. so i mean, this guy, i can't believe he goes in front of senators or me and says these things and pretends he's okay on vaccinations. >> all right. well, then, of course, when it comes to covid, covid vaccine skepticism is becoming incredibly widespread across so many parts of society. governor, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. >> and next, the breaking news, trump's justice department said to be in talks with federal prosecutors to get the corruption case against the democratic new york city mayor

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just. went to. >> jail for specifically. what adams is charged. >> with taking bribes. >> from a foreign. >> country 12 year sentence. >> you know. >> menendez from. >> egypt and adams from turkey. >> so i think. >> the combination of adams's. recent signs of fealty. >> to. >> trump, the. frequent conversations. >> that they've had. >> the fact. >> that the. >> justice department. >> conversations that have. >> were. >> reported today. >> apparently went. >> through emil bove office. emil bove, who until a week ago was trump's personal lawyer, who's. >> now the acting deputy. >> attorney general. i think it's very hard to. ignore the likelihood that something's up, and it could well, it could well be that the threat of a pardon. will bring the southern district. to the table on this. typically, they want to be independent on this. typically they would be independent and be dragged kicking and screaming to the table on something like this. but we'll have to. >> see. >> we'll have to see. and interesting that you point out the similarities between the cases. and menendez is 11 year sentence. i'm sorry, i misspoke when i said 12 years, but if adams indeed if the cases are

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indictment what those allegations are and the information that was to be provided to congress would have laid that out in spades. but the garland justice department chose for reasons that i think it will be fairly criticized for going forward. um, you know, they chose not to take this dismissal a month ago, at which point they would have been then free to share this information with congress and with the and with the country. now, we may never now we may never get to see it, and certainly we won't get to see it for at least four years. >> so before you go, ty, you and 22 other republican officials, so it's 22 other republican officials, 23 in total, wrote a letter urging senators to oppose the nomination of kash patel to be fbi director. his confirmation hearing is going to be tomorrow. you go through some reasons in this letter, you and these 22 other republicans, you say poor judgment and that he is motivated by revenge. there were other things, but those two stood out poor judgment and

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>> after president trump closed the cpf1 app, they decided, okay, we need to go back to our country. and so to be back here now. will you stay here? >> oh, yeah. i'm going to stay here. >> you won't. go back to. >> the us? >> no. >> orlando magic called dallas, texas home for more than 20 years. he was deported three weeks ago under president biden, with other migrants. when they ask you, or should we try? should we go to the us because you have an experience that maybe they have no knowledge of? >> my advice would be right now, it's better you stay where you stay because you're going to be wasting the little money that you have right now. especially when you go with families with little kids and. >> from venezuela, we meet manuel and waleska and their three young boys. you're going to claim asylum here in guatemala. you're not going to try to cross to the us. el peligro. >> it's too dangerous. >> the expense and risk of deportation is too high. and yet they don't totally fault president trump. for tren de

aragua. >> de, he says there are. >> definitely bad people that she believes are in the u.s., but she hopes that they could separate between the good and the bad. ras baraka jabbar and his friend patrick tell us they fled death threats in west africa. now they too are reassessing next steps. >> i don't want to enter into us illegally. >> what if there is no legal pathway to get in? >> then i must have to choose any of the south american countries to seek for. a asylum. there. >> for patrick. >> the thought of giving up on the u.s. is crushing. you're feeling a lot of emotion como estan? >> yeah. >> just before they're about to head out, we finally spot annie and francisco. >> si and nando. >> they're going to walk for 11 days to the border city. the

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know, he's a divisive figure in america right now. you have counseled so many ceos. but but but there's really no one like him. and there's no one like him in terms of all of the things that he is trying to do at one time, but he's still nonetheless a human being. yes. you know, is he doing more than one person can do? >> well. >> yes, of course he is. >> but that's elon musk, right? >> so he. >> has more capability than most human beings do. we all have an edge of where our comfort zone is and what we can control. and when it gets beyond that, we hit a threshold. and sometimes when that happens, there's some failure. but if you push through that threshold and figure out how to handle it, your ability expands. and i think all that he's taking on, he'll continue to expand his abilities. so whether you like him personally or not, he's certainly, you know, contributing things that are going to change society in so many different ways. and i think he's more than capable of handling it. he has all the capabilities in the world. will he make mistakes? yes. will he go beyond what he can do at times? i'm sure he will. but that's how you break through to another level. and i think no

one can argue with the level of success. i wouldn't bet against anybody but elon in environments like this. >> so all right, now let me ask you about this moment that we're in. and obviously it's a moment of i mean, reality. some people are very excited. some people are heartbroken. right? there's division, there's instability, there's insecurity, no matter who you are for so many reasons. and the l.a. fires really hit at the core. i don't know psychologically for the country. but you were there in l.a. when it happened, visiting friends. you were born there. in fact, tony and and since then, you've donated more than $4 million, almost half a million to the fire department, specifically with a specific goal there. what do you hope that money does? >> well, with the fire department, they really their dispatch system, believe it or not, was disrupted by water and sewage. so they don't have a backup system and they have new problems coming. and as you well know, they're going to have the super bowl, the olympics. so we basically donated a video based system dispatch system. so when someone you know has a hospital

issue or a home issue, they can tell them exactly what to do. but the bigger issue for me was i was only going to donate $1 million, and it felt like a lot. but i was there. and i tell my friends, you have no idea, watching the news how bad it really is. it looks like a war zone there, and i have tons of friends that have lost their homes. so the hardest thing and the most expensive thing is housing. there were these 14 day vouchers and they're just now expiring. so i've donated $1 million to three different organizations. airbnb is one of them, and they put up 25,000 room nights as well. done the same thing with the dream center in la and the same thing with beyonce's be good foundation. and they were also providing 35 million meals to people. and then we're providing emotional tools, you know, how do you get your kid? like you said, i lost my home 20 years ago, burned to the ground. everything in it. all we had was the clothes on our back. and, you know, you could be depressed and angry and sad. but if you got family, you got to set an example. and so, like, i had to focus on look, things went away. things are replaceable. family people are not. but we've got tools now to

help people. you know, when sandy hook happened, i went in and took the set of tools that we've learned that are from energy medicine. acupuncture has taught us that if you tap certain locations, you can release emotions and traumas. so we've had 27 people use it, but like 1.2 million people have tapped for literally nine minutes and reduced their anxiety by 40%. so we have these that are available to for people. there's two different tools. and then i'm doing a free seminar i do every year since covid for people that starts tomorrow. so people can go to. tony helps la comm tony la comm. if they know somebody needs a place to live or food, it tells you where you can get it. if you want to donate, it shows you the organizations that we're supporting. and if you'd like to download these free tools for yourself and your family, or go to the seminar starting tomorrow, they have the ability to do that too. >> so, you know, you've been through this yourself. i mean, there's a story today, new york magazine had meryl streep had to cut a car sized hole out of her neighbor's fence because, you know, running wasn't enough, had to drive to get out fast. and, you know, tree was blocking her

driveway. i mean, the the terror and all the cars that i was seeing just sort of stacked around it. and people had left their, you know, taking their keys and run. so that's what the cars were still there. i mean, just that, that unbelievable fear. your home burned down years ago. three kids, you get out, all of you are okay. but just with the clothes you were wearing. so you you've been through this? yeah. so what do you say to people. >> who. >> have lost everything? >> you've got to. you have to discipline your disappointment, and you've got to come up with a compelling future. like anyone can deal with a horrible today. if we've got a compelling tomorrow, and i really believe it's going to take a long time, it's going to be rough. but la is going to be a brand new city. everything's going to be new and a whole different level. and, you know, it's kind of the hero's journey. we know the oldest story in humanity is the hero's journey. you're living your life normally and then bam, something comes and disrupts it. somebody gets cancer in your family, your house burns down something, and it's they call it the call to adventure because it