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next. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> all right. >> we have. >> breaking news out of. >> the nation's capital this morning. there has been a tragic mid-air collision between a passenger plane and an army helicopter. i am kasie hunt we are live here in alexandria, virginia. we are on the shores of the potomac river. it's right behind me where there is a frantic search and rescue recovery operation underway. they are still hoping to find any survivors, but the news is just not good at this hour. the plane was on its final approach to ronald reagan national airport last night, when the collision with a helicopter sent both of those aircrafts crashing into the potomac river. rescue crews responding immediately to

the scene. >> crash. >> crash. >> crash. >> this is alert three. >> crash, crash, crash, this is alert three. >> this is operations was at a that is affirmative. >> uh llc or j. president xi three three. >> now more than 301st responders and rescue crews are on the river. they are working on those search and recovery efforts. about 60. there were 60 passengers and four crew members on board. it was american airlines flight 5342. it was coming in from kansas. the black hawk helicopter had three crew members on board for a training flight. at the time of the collision. >> we were watching the planes. >> land and they were all lined up in a row perfectly, you know, and then we sort of saw these white flares start flying out of the sky. it's unfortunate what happened, and i'm praying for

everybody who was involved in it. >> and just a short while ago, cnn learning that several members of the u.s. ice skating community were on board that flight from wichita, kansas, u.s. figure skating skating said in a statement that they were returning home from a national development camp. it was happening there just last week. joining me here now on the scene is cedric leighton. he is a cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel. we're going to be joined shortly, we hope, by mary schiavo, cnn aviation analyst but cedric, let's talk about what we have learned overnight. obviously, this crash happening around in the 9 p.m. hour last night. and ever since then, these frantic efforts have been underway. driving in here past the entrance to ronald reagan national airport, you could see that it was closed. but i think right now all questions are how could something like this happen? and

i know, you know, from your military expertise, we know that this was a training flight, three crew members that the faa was warning these pilots to watch out basically for this plane. what do you know about how something like this could have happened? >> yeah. so, casey, this is one of those times where there are. >> terrible accidents should. >> not have occurred. >> but apparently what happened? we don't know. >> all. >> the details yet, but one of the things that i've noticed in the videos that we looked at, there was a moment where the air traffic controllers told the pilots of the uh, 60 black hawk helicopter if they asked them if they saw the airplane, they said they did. and if that's the case, then you wonder if they mixed up the airplanes because there were several flights that were stacked up to come into reagan national. maybe they thought it was another airplane that the air traffic controller was referring to. if that's the case, then, you know, confusion could be part of this. and when you see where it all comes together, where the, uh, 60 and

the airplane, uh, have that fatal, fatal crash, it's pretty clear that you would think that the helicopter would have seen the plane or or that they would have been warned somehow. but it appears that those warning systems did not work. and the other part of it is that the pilots were probably looking down because helicopter pilots have a tendency to look down as they as they fly, because they're looking at basically techniques that will allow them to fly what we call nap of the earth, which means that you're flying along the surface of the earth just above ground level, and they train for that, and they train quite extensively for that. the other thing that they do, of course, is train for the river navigation so that they can navigate along the rivers around here. the helicopter, the uh, 60, is based out of fort belvoir with the 12th aviation battalion, and they provide vip transport. luckily, no vip is on board this helicopter, but the three crew members, of course, i. you know, if you know this,

this is obviously going to be a tragic loss. you know, based on what we what we can surmise right now. >> incredibly tragic. and cedric, forgive me for not fully understanding this. i've watched a lot of helicopters take off and land on the south lawn of the white house. as i've covered politicians throughout my time here in washington. is this the kind of helicopter that the president normally flies in? >> no, he flies in a different kind of helicopter. he flies in what's called marine one. that's actually a similar helicopter, but it's actually a different designation. and it has a different power plant associated with it. so it's a bigger aircraft, a bigger helicopter that the president uses. >> so this might look similar but smaller. >> much smaller. >> to the layman's. >> guide to the layman's eye look smaller. and the the thing is, these are the kind of helicopters that you would see coming in and out of the pentagon. they also fly to all the bases around the d.c. area, the washington, dc area, and they basically provide the kind of transport that general officers would use. the chairman

of the joint chiefs. potentially, and the service secretaries and people like that. so that's the kind of vip transport that they would be using at this particular point in time. but that squadron does a lot more than just that battalion, i should say. that does more than than just flying vips. >> okay, cedric, stand by for me for just one second. i just want to take a second and reset here for anyone who may be just joining us, i know people are going to be waking up throughout the morning to this news. if you weren't aware of it before, you may have gone to bed last night in the 9 p.m. eastern time hour. we are on the shores of the potomac river, where this american airlines flight, carrying 60 passengers and four crew members, collided with a black hawk helicopter, and both aircraft ended up in the potomac river. this rescue, operation recovery operation is now underway. and for those of you that may not fly into ronald reagan national airport on a regular basis, it's an unusual

airport in that it is incredibly close to the city of washington, d.c. and that's because, of course, members of congress wanted an easy way to come and go from their home districts and to get into town. so it sits right across the river from some of the most memorable landmarks in washington, the lincoln memorial being one of the closest, and the washington monument. and of course, the capitol building. and these small planes, like the one that was carrying these passengers from wichita, kansas. there are so many of them, they used to all fly out of one gate called 35 x. it's been changed in recent years, but if you're flying in one of these small planes, you can use one of the shorter runways that's available here at ronald reagan national airport. and the approach along the potomac river, that it seems likely that this plane was taking there are there are a number of potential options, but one of the most beautiful approaches, if you're in one of these small planes, is a long the potomac river. and you do actually have a view out the

window of all of those beautiful landmarks on the national mall. and it's also the river again, the pentagon also sits right on the same side as the airport. so if you're a black hawk helicopter flying along the river, the pentagon is immediately there as well. and that's part of why there is so much air traffic like that in this area. and if you do live here and you're used to seeing this, there is helicopter activity over the potomac river, low flying helicopter activity over the river constantly. it is a regular daily occurrence multiple times a day, in fact. and you can also see if there's a road that kind of runs along the river as well. if you're driving along that road, you'll often see aircraft coming down again, very low on this approach path to ronald reagan national airport. so of course, it seems that in this case, last night, this, of course, ended in a

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is what they said in a statement. quote, these athletes, coaches and family members were returning home from the national development camp held in conjunction with the u.s. figure skating championships in wichita, kansas. we are devastated by this unspeakable tragedy, and we hold these victims closely in our hearts. we will continue to monitor the situation and release more information as it becomes available. we are joined by cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo right now. mary, good morning to you. this, of course, such a difficult situation. can you help us understand a little bit about how something like this could have happened, and also what we're seeing unfold behind us right now? >> sure. well, you know, dca reagan national is a tremendously busy airspace. the runway, one of the runways, is the most active runway in the u.s. there is a lot of aviation here. and on top of the commercial airport, of course, you've got military aviation, vip aviation, et cetera.. so we have put an awful lot of

aviation in a very small airspace. and that's the problem. when reagan, when dulles first opened decades ago, this was supposed to actually close because of the proximity to dc, the crowding, the airspace issues. et cetera. so the fact that, you know, fortunately, dc has been very lucky that they haven't had major tragedies and there's just a lot of aviation, a small airspace now bringing it down to to this particular one. we now have a lot of clues that have come out. air traffic control had been speaking with the helicopter, asked the helicopter if they had this plane inside, and that gives us a lot of clues. obviously, the aircraft has collision avoidance. the helicopter may not have had the same systems and sometimes it doesn't work at very low altitudes. it doesn't work very well. but the helicopter was given instructions to see and avoid. that's the oldest thing in aviation. see and avoid the other aircraft and it will be part of the investigation to figure out why they were not able to do that. did they

mistake this aircraft for another aircraft? there were other aircraft in the area, and so there are a lot of clues coming out right now. >> mary, how common is this? i mean, it seems like it's been a long time since we've seen, i mean, something that this devastating. >> well, you know, fortunately for the american traveling public and everybody over whose heads the aviation industry flies, you know, it has become rare. but what has been on the wrong trajectory for several years now is exactly this collisions, collisions at the airport almost entirely. collisions on the runway, near collisions near misses. and in the last year, we had a record number of near collisions. now, not just right here at dca, but all over the country. there are systems that can help. the systems are not, um, for example, they aren't installed at every airport in the country. um, even some aircraft have additional systems. sometimes

private planes don't even use all the systems that they have. but in the last few years, near collisions have been dramatically on the rise, almost always at the airport. >> i do feel like we have covered so many of those just in the last year here at cnn. can you talk a little bit about why that may have been on the rise? have there been i mean, what role does the faa play in helping avoid that? is is there a structural issue at play? >> it's kind of all of the above. obviously, the faa and air traffic control and of course the advances in science and technology to keep aircraft separated has been developing for years. but a number of years ago, some of the required separations between aircraft, nothing scientific. just how much difference between the aircraft. in some cases, it was allowed to get shorter, lesser distance between aircraft. we also have had have seen a concentration of more and more flights at some of the major airports. you know, in our

country we have literally thousands of airports, but flights are pretty much, uh, you know, centered on about 30 to 50 airports. and that's because that's where flights want to go and where people want to go. so we are seeing a consolidation. we've seen a consolidation on airlines, airlines. we now have far fewer than we had. when i was a kid, for example. so we're putting a lot of airplanes at, you know, just a few of our airports. we have equipment that we can install all across the country. that equipment is installed here, by the way, to help reduce the chance of a collision. but when you put aircraft in that system that aren't flying on the same collision avoidance systems, you come back to literally how air traffic control was, you know, 50 years ago, the tower asks, or the control the controllers ask an aircraft if they have the other aircraft in sight and literally get in line and follow them. i mean, that's how aviation was back in the day. they used to call it in the 30s and 40s bonfires. they literally

would fire, follow landmarks on the highway in the sky. well, if you're asking an aircraft to find another one and follow it, um, you know, it really just depends upon the pilot to see and avoid. and it didn't happen. >> and what impact does flying at night have on that? >> flying at night, while it's beautiful, is much more difficult. i mean, i very much remember my first night flight and flight training and while it was just, you know, just a marvelous sight, you know, especially the airport lights, it's very difficult because everything looks different at night. um, you know, a lot of people say it's easier to see aircraft, but it's also easier to to mistake lights. it's difficult to judge distances on the lights sometimes. um, you don't have the usual landmarks, but, you know, an experienced pilot if you've flown in the night in this area for years and years or for many, many flights, then you're used to how it looks. this flight was a training flight. we don't know anything about the people on the

flight yet, but perhaps they were not used to the area. or like i said, when i look at those videos and the video of the collision is heartbreaking but very telling. there was another light in the sky, very near another aircraft, and at night, you know, lights look very similar. you can mistake one for the other. and i thought that the instant i saw the video, and i don't know if that's that's right or not, but that's what i thought. >> really, really devastating. mary schiavo, you're going to stand by and be with us throughout the next couple of hours. and coming up next here as we continue to cover this breaking story. what impact did the weather have on last night's tragedy? that's next. stay with. >> us. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you returns february 15th on cnn. >> i still love to surf, snowboard and of course, skate. so i take magnesium to support my muscle and bone health.

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grim there's not a lot of lights. >> you're out there searching every square inch of space to see if you can find anybody. the divers are doing the same thing in the water. the water is dark. it is murky. this is, if you can imagine, the river is a large black spot at night with no lights on it, except for a few buoy lights. so they were out there looking the boats pretty quickly were able to locate the one of the aircraft and get their. >> all right, let's bring in cnn meteorologist derek van dam with more on the conditions. derek, good morning to you. what do we know about what the weather was like last night as this unfolded and what it means for this search and rescue operation? >> casey, it's looking very likely that weather wasn't a major factor in the role of the crash. but of course, going forward with the search and the recovery efforts, that is going to play a major factor right now, the water, the temperatures

in the air are 42 degrees with the wind chill factor, which, by the way, at the time of the crash, the winds were gusting about 25mph. that's dropping the wind chill values into the upper 30s. so that is what the rescue efforts are contending with. but let's talk about what's happening under the water. right. for those divers that are, yes, in their cold water diving outfits, but they are still susceptible to the water temperatures in the potomac. so we looked up a buoy, an actual weather sensor in the water near the collision site. and during the time of the crash late last evening, temperatures, water temperatures were roughly 35°f. here's a reagan national airport. there's the collision location. there's the weather sensor and this water temperature information is so critical and so important for this recovery effort. and the search and rescue effort as well. so the national weather service has this information on their website that talking about

the human survivability time frame for water temperatures between 32 and 40 degrees. so when we're sitting right in the middle of that, we're talking 30 to 90 minutes. so any exposure to that type of water can be extremely dangerous for hypothermia. and of course, other factors as well. casey. >> derek, what what are we looking at in terms of weather here going forward as this operation continues? obviously, we know from sources, as we said at the top here, that this is getting more and more grim, but what's the outlook over the next day? day and a half. >> okay. so conditions right now are clear over the nation's capital. but i want to point your attention towards what's happening over this region here. lots of rain a very on a very disturbed weather pattern that is heading towards the mid-atlantic that will overspread the region by thursday. this is a recovery effort that will certainly go on for days. so as time goes on, conditions here will certainly

start to deteriorate as we head into the day tomorrow. casey all right. >> derek van dam for us. derek, i know you're going to stand by throughout the morning on this. thank you very much for that. and i want to go now to cnn's rene marsh, who is here with me. she has been covering the investigation, as we are trying to learn more about where things stand. rene. we know that 300 plus first responders involved in this desperate effort overnight to try to find any survivors. what else do we know about the investigation? yeah, i mean, we're here. we're still hearing those helicopters bobbing, buzzing above us, but we have not seen the sign of the debris field just as yet. obviously, that is going to be an area that investigators are going to be focused on. we know that there. are multiple entities investigating this midair collision. the army says that it will be investigating the ntsb, the faa, and we know

that the american airlines ceo says that he will be coming here to washington, d.c., with his go team. but it is an all hands on deck approach. um, as we know, this airspace is incredibly busy. lots of military aircraft, police aircraft, and of course, obviously the commercial aircraft. so what investigators are really going to be zeroing in on is why didn't the pilots of this army, black. hawk helicopter maintain that visual separation, that safe distance from that commercial airliner? we know from air traffic. >> control. >> audio that. >> one of. >> the pilots communicated to air traffic controllers that it had that commercial aircraft in sight. and just 13 seconds later came that mid-air collision. and you actually hear that. audible gasp of the air traffic controllers in that audio. so they will want to understand if the pilot saw this aircraft, why

didn't. >> they have. >> that safe separation? the other key to all of this is going to be. >> those black boxes. >> we talk about this whenever we have these aviation incidents because they are a treasure trove of information there. it will help these investigators piece out this timeline from beginning to end. what were the pilots in the commercial aircraft saying? what did they see? what did they communicate that they were seeing? did they make any efforts? were their efforts futile? was something on the aircraft not working? same thing with the black hawk helicopter. that will be an incredible source of information. obviously right now it is dark again. we're not even seeing this debris field. so once the sun comes up, i would imagine that will be helpful for investigators to begin that search. um, for those black boxes and who knows how long that will take. rene. we're supposed to have a news conference from d.c. mayor muriel bowser and presumably other officials at 730. uh, who

may we hear from then? what questions do we have for the people who are investigating right now? i mean, i think that investigators are going to have a lot of questions themselves again, until they get those black boxes. the facts that we know at this hour are that the pilots in this black hawk helicopter. had visual sight on this commercial aircraft. um, we know that this mid-air collision happened within 30s roughly after they communicated to air traffic controllers that they saw this aircraft. um, it's unclear right now that much more can be gained. and that is the troubling thing about all of these sort of investigations. continue. now, i'm sorry. and that is the thing with these aviation investigations, they take a while. and sometimes, you know, we don't have all the answers right away. um, but i

think the key questions for investigators are going to be also going through that air traffic control audio. um, and looking at the flight path and seeing what information that they can glean there. but again, those black boxes are going to be critical to piecing this all together. absolutely. and of course, we unfortunately are also looking to learn whether this search and rescue operation may have turned into a search and recovery operation. rene marsh, thank you. i know you're going to be staying on this story throughout the morning and throughout throughout the day. coming up next here as we continue our breaking news coverage of this midair collision between a blackhawk helicopter and an american airlines jet. what does the coast guard know at this hour? what have they learned as these search and rescue efforts continue this morning? stay here on cnn. >> all of us are going to know people. >> who know. >> people. >> so it's a great time. to double down. >> on caring.

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commercial jet. it was coming here from wichita, kansas. it collided with a military blackhawk helicopter in mid-air near ronald reagan national airport. dca. both aircraft then crashed into the freezing water that is behind me here on the potomac. the jet carrying 64 people. it was coming in for a landing at reagan national. the soldiers, three soldiers were on board the military chopper. they were taking part. we know in a training flight, a cnn law enforcement source telling cnn late last night that no survivors had yet to be recovered. >> you know, when one person dies, it's a tragedy. but when many, many, many people die, it's an unbearable sorrow. it's a heartbreak beyond measure. and i know senator moran and i are here just to. um, to to say we care. we wish that there was more we could do.

>> the ceo of american airlines says he is planning to travel to dc to support employees. watch we are actively working with local, state and federal authorities on emergency response efforts, and the american airlines care team has been activated to assist our passengers and their families. >> anything we can do now, we're doing. and right now, that means focusing on taking care of all passengers and crew involved, as well as their families. >> all right. and joining us now is cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem. juliette, good morning. terrible circumstances for us to be talking this morning. but i do want to ask you about the latest that we know about this investigation, this this recovery effort is rescue. recovery effort is encompassing so many agencies, among them the u.s. coast guard. what do you know at this hour?

>> so the search. and rescue were not a recovery yet. it will be a pretty aggressive when the sun comes up. the coast guard's main area in dc is at the base anacostia-bolling, so it's just right across the way. so this is where you're going to see sort of a flotilla come forward when the sun comes out. one of the challenges is, as our weather folks are saying, is the ice is also impacting sort of the boarding and other areas. and so the whole area is sort of covered in ice right now. it's very hard to maneuver people, let alone boats. but the sun is going to help out. but we should plan on, on at least, you know, sort of search and rescue. it's going to get more grim as the day passes by, for at least through the day, in the hopes that there might be any any survivors. the recovery and of course, the investigation will come later. i should say something about muscle memory. this a mid-air collision is

exceptionally rare in the united states. the potomac. everyone will remember several decades ago, in 1982, had a had a landing. but, you know, to the extent that first responders get used to familiar things, this is less familiar. they are prepared for it, they've trained for it, but it is not like, say, you know, a shooting or other disasters that we get more familiar with. mid-air collisions are just rare. >> yeah. and juliet, i think our viewers are seeing on their screen video of the 1982 crash. and i know when i first heard of this, of course, we all remember the hero, captain sullenberger, who landed a plane on a river in new york. obviously, in the case of a mid-air collision, as you note, the rarity of it, that just just desperately not an option. juliet, we were also talking a little bit earlier about what the faa traffic was like out of this. their

conversations with the blackhawk helicopter pilots that they did have. i want to play that for the viewers at home, and then we'll talk about it on the other side. let's watch. >> all right. >> tai sui sara ganim flight. pat 2-5 pam bondi dahiyeh 2017. i don't know if he caught earlier what happened, but there was a collision on the approaching two, three, three. >> juliet, what is your interpretation of of how this happened based on on the limited information that we have. >> so i won't surmise at this stage, but clearly there was a misunderstanding of what visual the helicopter had at this stage. this is as i want to pick up on what mary was saying in terms of the context of a crash like this for several years now, we have been monitoring what we would call these near misses, either on the runways or take off and landing throughout the

country. the system seems to be under stress to many aircraft, to many private aircraft, to many other aircraft, and and these near misses were telling us something about both. you know. capacity the crowdedness of of some of these airlines, excuse me, these airports, but also whether these airplanes and helicopters were equipped with the right technology to be able to avert this kind of crisis. we are going to, you know, as we mourn. i mean, look, family unit, family notification is going on likely right now. so we're we're so early right now. these families are are waking up or learning of this in just the last few hours. but as we also have to look to make sure we avoid this in a country with massive amounts of air travel daily, uh, these near misses need to. and now this, this, this, this tragedy need to tell us about whether we need to assess the kind of technology

that would avoid this. the air traffic controllers were calm and focused, but it is clear from that gasp they too, had had not anticipated or or had ever encountered anything like that. like this before. >> so tragic. juliette kayyem, thank you so much for your expertise this morning. we really appreciate your time. we may be back with you throughout the show. and coming up next here. what are we learning from the first images that we are getting of this horrible crash between an american airlines jet and a black hawk helicopter? 64 people on that plane, three on that helicopter. stay with us right here on cnn. >> to follow the. >> trump confirmation hearings. >> follow the facts, follow cnn. >> desi anwar.

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did not get delivered. that's when i realized something might be up. i'm just praying that somebody's pulling her out of the river right now as we speak. that's all i can pray for. i'm just praying to god. >> law enforcement sources say that search and rescue teams have not found any survivors so far. cnn's tom foreman took a close look at the wreckage to learn more about the moment of impact. >> if you look at the wing coming out here, the configuration of this plane, you see the little tip up of the wing out there. maybe that's simply damage out there. but if you look at the wing, that would typically suggest on a similar plane that this plane, at least that part of it is upright in the water. however, look at the immense damage over here. we've talked a lot about the idea of looking for people in the water there. this plane would be coming in at about 150 miles an hour, when the impact would have occurred. that would have been a

tremendous shock to the cabin itself. and then contact with the water coming down. that's where all this violence would come from here, even if it lost half of its speed, it would be hitting the water at a speed that is typically considered the upper limit of how much a human can survive simply hitting the water, let alone being inside a vehicle, being mangled in this fashion. so we have this look at this. we don't know which portion, or they say it's in pieces. we don't know how far the other pieces are. this is the airport back here, by the way. you can see that's one of the other planes from the airport. that's it right there. so hard to hazard a guess as to how close that is. but the water is only, we're told, about eight feet deep where this happened. and then when you look at this other image we have, this is interesting. this is the helicopter. you have to look at it very closely. if you look at an image of a black hawk helicopter, you see this configuration of the the tires down here. and see this little rail over here. and this, this is the main sort of body of it.

and then back here into the tail section. if you look at this image, you can see that this part is upside down. and this is that little railing. this is the back end of the tail. and you see it sort of torn in half just at the back end of that front section. we were looking at a minute ago, where this is in relationship to the plane. we don't know either. but that gives you an idea of where all that was, and it's important. we've been talking a lot about the impact itself. if you look at the way they were coming in and think about those speeds, we don't know how fast the helicopter was going. we know the plane needs to be going about 150 miles an hour. if that is the case, to cover this distance from here, which laura mentioned earlier, is over houses or buildings here is that sort of thing to cover this distance up to here is probably only about 20s. and from the time it turns here to, we have a rough sense of where the impact happened here. this may have only been four seconds, maybe

five. not a lot of time. even if you saw something and you weren't sure what it was, what to do about it in the darkness there and with now background lights that you're trying to separate, whatever it is you're looking at from. >> that was our tom foreman reporting. tom, thank you very much for that. all right. coming up here in our next hour, i'm going to speak live with a witness to this horrible crash between a commercial american airlines jet and a black hawk helicopter over the potomac river. we're also going to take a look at the devastating impact this has had on the u.s. figure skating community. what they're saying, that's all. next. don't go anywhere. stay right here with cnn. >> i know that flight. i've flown it many times myself. we're going to know people who are on this flight, know their family members, know somebody. so this is a very personal. circumstance.

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