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lights and didn't see the approaching plane, perhaps confusing it with another plane. also this morning, the new york times is reporting that the black hawk may have strayed off course. quote the military helicopter appears to have been flying too high and outside of its approved flight path at the time of the crash, according to four people briefed on the matter, but not authorized to speak publicly. end quote. ntsb investigators have recovered both the voice and data recorders from flight 5342 and hope to have a preliminary report ready within the next 30 days. cnn's rene marsh is at reagan national. rene, what are we learning about this faa action to close the helicopter corridor? >> right. pamela. that is the latest development here as this investigation is is underway. and this is quite a significant move. the first significant aviation safety move since this mid-air collision outside of reagan national air space airport concerning the airspace surrounding the airport. now, this airspace that has been shut

down by the faa is used not only by commercial airliners coming and going from this airport, but also military aircraft as well as law enforcement aircraft. but in light of that midair collision, the faa has made the determination to close traffic to anything except for those commercial aircraft. and you talked about this other new reporting that i'm sure investigators are also going to be looking into, which is whether or not this helicopter left the proper altitude that it should have been. and if this deviation away from the altitude that it should have been at this black hawk is actually confirmed, it would certainly mean that the pilot of that black hawk was not following flight regulations at that time, because these helicopters are supposed to be flying at very specific altitude, 200ft or or less. and so that is certainly something that investigators will be zeroing in on when they

retrieve the black box from the black hawk helicopter that has not been retrieved yet, but they have retrieved the black boxes from the commercial passenger plane. they are already starting work on that, and it is in their labs. they have opened it and they've begun the process of reviewing the data from those black boxes. we know that investigators say that they are confident, based on the condition of the black boxes from the commercial passenger plane, that they will be able to get data from it. also, the ntsb is tapping into their expertise across the country. we got word today that they have tapped one of their members from alaska. they have flown that individual in. he is a former pilot of a black hawk helicopter. so tapping into his expertise on that. and of course, another crucial part of this investigation, pamela, is going to be the air traffic controllers. we do know that the ntsb, at this hour, they have

not yet had interviews with the air traffic controllers. so that is soon to come. pamela. >> and there was this near miss the day before the collision between an airplane and helicopter. tell us about that. >> right. just further highlighting the complicated airspace that is the airspace around reagan national airport. it was just the day before this mid-air collision that another passenger plane coming in for landing had to actually abort landing because another helicopter had come too close into its path. we have the sound from the air traffic control for that incident. let's take a listen. >> i describe as a helicopter over georgetown, northbound 300ft. we had a ra ra 4514 going around. >> we had an ra with a helicopter traffic below us. >> still on. >> so clearly with this, you know, the incident that is being

investigated today, you have that previous incident, it has clearly become evident to investigators that this complicated airspace, something needed to be done more immediately. even though this investigation is ongoing. and pamela, again, that headline today, the faa shutting down this airspace around reagan national airport to those military helicopters. >> yeah, that's a big development. rene marsh, thank you. and our next guest is a former air traffic controller who personally shut down new york city's airspace on nine over 11. and he may have been the first person to realize america was under attack that day. michael mccormick joins us now. thanks for your time. so as a former air traffic controller, what was your immediate reaction when you learned about this crash and subsequently, as more evidence is coming in to process? >> just like the rest of the country? i was absolutely shocked when i learned that this

midair collision, especially with the loss of life on board both aircraft, this is not something that we would expect to see within the air traffic control community. and my thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the passengers and crew on board both aircraft, and also to the air traffic controllers at washington national. i'm sure having a very difficult time right now. >> i just my heart feels for them because and i think about that moment when the collision happened and then the air traffic controller had to see the collision and then immediately pivot and deal with all the other planes coming in and redirecting them to the other airports in the area. i mean, talk about true professionalism, but you have to wonder what they're thinking, how they're feeling right now. according to the new york times, audio recordings reveal that the passenger jet had originally been cleared, was originally cleared by the control tower for one runway, and then was was

cleared for another runway. what is your assessment of that? and just the timing here of the communication with the helicopter pilot just around 30s before the collision happened. >> that is not an unusual maneuver for washington national airport. the main runway is what the aircraft was initially sequenced for. the controller made the decision to circle the aircraft to runway 33, and that allows the tower to be able to get more departures off of the main primary runway. while the aircraft is circling to land on the secondary runway. unfortunately, because of that maneuver, it put american right into the flight path of the helicopter. >> and a source tells cnn that one controller was working two positions at the time of the crash. i think that for the layperson, you're like, oh, my gosh, what? they were working

two positions covering the helicopters and the planes. but apparently that's common practice. should it no longer be common practice? >> it is a common practice in all air traffic control facilities that you open and close positions based upon the volume and complexity at any given time that provides maximum flexibility to handle what's going on in a control tower or in air traffic control facility. in this instance, it was actually a good thing because now you have one controller who's actually talking to and controlling both of the aircraft. otherwise, if there was a separate controller, then the two controllers would have to constantly coordinate back and forth about what is happening and what they're choosing to do. >> just, you know, just taking a step back. i often think about how stressful that job is to be an air traffic controller. just bring us into what it's like to be one and sort of the daily stress and the pressure that you're under. i mean, you know,

i can't even imagine what they're feeling right now. and you heard president trump talking about it yesterday not to make this political, but he's blaming die policies without having the evidence to support that. and i just want you to tell us from your experience what it's like. >> i believe the air traffic control profession is what is known as a meritocracy, and that is only the best can go through the rigorous selection program the screening program, and then the 1 to 5 year training program prior to receiving their certification. so having gone through that, we are very proud to have professionals who are competent and dedicated to providing the safest service in the world and as a controller there, i think there's nothing more gratifying, more fulfilling than being able to provide that

service to our country. it and there is no stress when you enjoy your profession. you do not feel the stress. you deal with the responsibilities, you compartmentalize, as in the case of when this accident occurred, the controller immediately moved to. other priorities were that is, aircraft control. >> it's just remarkable. it really is. michael mccormick. thank you. >> thank you. emily. >> let's continue this conversation. joining us now is congressman jesus chuy garcia. he is an illinois democrat on the transportation committee and the aviation subcommittee. congressman, thank you for joining us. first of all, what have you learned so much? thank you. what have you learned about how this collision happened? >> well. >> first of all, i too. >> want to express. >> the sympathies. >> to the victims, their families and loved ones. during this very difficult time and. >> what should have been a routine.

>> landing turned. >> into a. >> national tragedy. >> of course. >> leaders should. >> bring us. together during tragic times. >> the comments made by president trump are. >> really, uh, unfortunate, divisive and most insulting. uh, we have been told that some of the things that have already been covered, that the flight recorders have been, uh, found that they appear to be in good condition. and, of course, that, uh, ntsb, the faa, with the army's cooperation, will head up an investigation into what may have been behind this terrible tragedy. but, you know, it's it really is disgusting. of course. um, that there is this type of rhetoric by our highest elected leader in the country, but it is straight out

of the trump playbook. uh, he's exploiting disaster to continue to spread racist lies and divisiveness across the country, simply to score political points with his base. um, we need to be patient. uh, ntsb has a good record in terms of delivering the types of data and information that we need. um, you know, last year, uh, pamela, we passed in the transportation infrastructure committee, uh, legislation, the 2024 faa reauthorization bill, which includes uh, 80 measures to enhance safety for air travel across the country. and i also want to underscore that since 2012, there have only been three fatalities related to air travel. and in 12 of the last 14 years, we've made tremendous strides. when you compare that to the prior decade, where there

were about 140 fatalities. so we have made progress, and that's why we ought to be, uh, calm and take time to mourn the great loss that families have experienced. >> absolutely. 67 families are grieving today with the nation. i mean, i think we're all grieving. it's just unimaginable, this tragedy. it is true that that air travel is still overwhelmingly safe. right. and that's important to note, but it's also true that near misses are on the rise, including the day before this happened. there was a near miss between a helicopter and a plane. um, you mentioned the faa reauthorization bill, and you supported this bill, which also added more long distance flights in and out of dca. as you know, there were some of your colleagues who were against that because they said this airspace is too crowded already. we shouldn't be adding more flights. do you think that that

was the wrong move? in hindsight? >> well, i'm not going to get out in front of the ntsb. i voted against the measure to increase flights, but we don't know what occurred and whether it was human error that caused this flight or other factors. that is what we will learn. and once we have the facts and recommendations, our subcommittee on aviation will be prepared to act and then to act as the full committee as well with legislation. if those are the recommendations to enhance safety. but your point about near misses, yes, that is on the rise. it has to do with historical staffing patterns and shortages that have occurred. it could be one more reason to think about expanding the pool of qualified people who can be air traffic controllers. uh, air

traffic controllers. as my senator from illinois, tammy duckworth, uh, who has flown these helicopters and is very familiar with the black helicopter, has said that president trump insulted all of the men and women who risked their lives to provide invaluable services to keep our country safe, and that the training that air traffic controllers have to endure is among the best anywhere in the world. still, there may be something to learn from this investigation, and we will be prepared to act. >> so in light of that, what is your reaction to the faa indefinitely suspending those helicopter routes in that area near reagan national airport? >> well, i think it's probably a practical measure to take uh, that area, that airport and the airspace around it is very, very

busy. um, i have a small airport in chicago, in my district, midway airport. that's also a small airport with plenty of traffic and residential areas immediately around the periphery of that small airport. but we've got a great record. uh, this has more complexity. the d.c. airport in its surroundings. so taking a closer look at that makes a lot of sense. i think taking this measure is very practical. >> all right, congressman garcia, thank you very much. and still ahead this hour, we are learning new heartbreaking details about the people on that american airlines flight. many of them so young, just beginning to shape their lives. we'll share the story of a family of four who were on board their two young daughters, budding figure skaters. stay with. >> us.

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remembered the livingstons as loving and filled with big personalities. and the national association of biology teachers says that it is devastated after learning its president elect, lindsay fields, was aboard that flight. the group calls fields death, quote, a tremendous loss. cnn's eva mccann joins us now. and you've learned a little bit more about two other teen skaters involved in their crash. in this crash. spencer lane and jinna han. >> yes, pam, we are getting to learn more about these disciplined and dedicated young athletes from the skating club of boston. hahn and her mother were killed along with spencer and his mother, christine lane. and when the community was just hearing about this, just processing this and what this all meant for all of them, they described it as like having your heart starting to explode out of your chest, just the immeasurable level of grief here. spencer is being remembered for being a force of nature who had his eye on the

olympics. and then you also think about the parents, right? being a parent of a student athlete, you're also very dedicated. you're going to all of those practices and with your child every step of the way. so this community is being hit very, very hard. we're going to take a listen now to the executive director from the skating club of boston. >> we watched gina just grow up here from just a tiny little tyke into this amazingly mature 13 year old, and we talk a lot about the athletes, but i think we're going to miss their moms as much. just really good people. >> so the world figure skating championships is going to take place in march in boston this year. pam. so that, of course, is going to have a much different feel to it with all of this, this loss, the context of that event is going to be very

different. >> yeah, just a massive void now due to the to these lives cut way too short. thank you. eva mckend. we'll be right back. >> super the christopher reeve story. sunday at eight on cnn.

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morning, cnn has learned that the faa has closed helicopter routes near reagan national airport indefinitely. >> the low altitude corridor was in use at the time of wednesday's mid-air collision that killed 67 people, and the new york times cites four sources in reporting that the army black hawk helicopter may have been flying too high and strayed from its approved path. we have also learned that there was a close call the day before the collision. a flight approaching reagan national aborted its first landing after a helicopter flew near its path. now, it's worth noting that the faa had multiple vacancies at the time of the crash. mike whitaker, the faa administrator under president biden, stepped down last week, ending his five year term on the day of trump's inauguration almost four years ago. he had notably clashed with elon musk over spacex and the oversight of rocket launches. musk actually called on him to resign back in september, and

president trump announced another aviation executive who will serve as acting head of the agency. deputy administrator katie thompson also left the faa earlier this month. a second big vacancy meanwhile, air traffic controllers were among the millions of federal workers allowed to resign and accept a buyout package from the white house. and that is despite already being understaffed. president trump took aim at democrats in dc at his first news conference after the tragedy. he repeatedly suggested, without evidence, that it was somehow connected to diversity hiring policies at the faa. >> i put safety first. >> obama, biden and the democrats put policy first. the faa's diversity push includes focus on hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities. that is amazing. a group within the faa. another story determined that the workforce was too white, that they had concerted efforts to get the

administration to change that and to change it immediately. this was in the obama administration, but they actually came out with a directive to white. and we want the people that are competent. >> so when he was pressed at that press conference about what are you basing this on, where's your evidence? he said it was common sense. is that common sense backed up by any facts? >> it is not. i think we have to say first and foremost that there is zero evidence whatsoever that anything to do with the faa's efforts to hire people of diverse backgrounds, people with disabilities had anything to do with this tragedy. so i think this is one of these fact checks where it's like, wait, why are we even talking about this? but we're talking about it because the president started a national conversation about faa hiring practices. so i think it's important for people to know a couple of things. first of all, at that press conference, president trump read out a sentence from the biden era faa website about the faa's desire

to hire people with so-called targeted disabilities. those are significant disabilities like psychiatric and intellectual issues, paralysis, missing extremities, and so on. what he did not mention, pamela, was that that exact language was on the faa website under president trump. the entirety of his own administration. we grabbed a screenshot from december 2020 late in his first term. so this was not something biden invented. in fact, it's been on that website at least since 2013. number two, this was not just language on a trump era website. in fact, in 2019, under president trump, the faa launched a pilot program specifically to hire people with these so-called targeted disabilities intellectual, psychiatric, et cetera. in air traffic control roles. so they emphasized at the time, these people would have to meet all criteria in terms of medical criteria, qualifications, security criteria. but regardless, this was not something the biden administration invented, as he suggested. >> i also want to ask about

timing, because the president said the articles he was reading from were from january 14th, just a week before he came back to office. and so they showed that biden made a last minute diversity push at the faa. that's what trump is saying. what is the truth here? >> that's what he said. he's like january 14th. so right before i came back, they were trying to get all these people in. i looked at where these articles he was reading out were actually from. it's january 14th, 2024 a year ago. so there is no evidence of some frantic last minute biden push to hire people with disabilities, hire people of diverse backgrounds at the faa. >> daniel dale, as always, thank you for bringing the facts. and still ahead this hour. aviation experts are paying close attention to the lights surrounding the runway before the helicopter and plane collided. we'll explain up next. >> after every challenge, you bounce back stronger. now your damaged hair can to. a new. >> dove. >> intensive repair with liquid bio protein care. plus amino

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front window. and in the case of i think it was blue streak five, 342, they took a clearance to go around for runway 33. um, what i do want to point out in this simulation is that the lighting you're seeing of the ground lighting is not near what the actual city would create. so if you're watching this and you're seeing these, these lights, you're thinking, how could we lose sight of another aircraft in this situation? well, the lighting is much more intense and much more dense in real life. and a very small aircraft, like a helicopter. even a larger aircraft, like a jet, can disappear in the camouflage and the carpet of lights beneath you. >> so can it be disoriented? disorienting, i should say. >> at the human factors of night flying are a whole different set of training that has to happen with procedures that go along

with it. um, disorientation in what's called imc is a common feature. instrument meteorological conditions. this is not the case in this accident. we had good vfr conditions, visual flight rules, visual conditions. uh, it's not so much disorienting, but it can be confusing with multiple aircraft in the area. and i will also point out that the speed of the activity, the speed of the procedures at this particular airport and many airports around the world is perhaps one of the things that's getting us into trouble. how quickly do we really need to go? is it worth it? we see an accident like this. which speed of communications is going to play a role? i'm pretty sure. at what cost? where do we draw the line and say, well, we're going fast enough. let's just enjoy this before we push it too far. >> you talk about speed of communications. what do you mean by that? >> it's the speed of the

operations at the airport. any average person listening to the air traffic control recordings will be shocked at how quickly the communications are going back and forth between multiple aircraft. the average person probably could not write down or remember even two calls between two aircraft in the given, you know, at a given set of calls. that's that's part of what's happening here as well. but the professionals that do this every day, they are used to that speed. they are used to that tempo. but it does allow for error of communication. and i think there are a couple of errors within the atc tapes that i've heard. i don't really want to go into that because i don't want to play the blame game. i'd like to keep this as a training and procedural focus, which is exactly what it is. >> and i understand you don't want to play the blame game, and certainly it seems like a confluence of factors here. but to ask another way, what are the lessons learned from what you've heard with those communications?

>> everything is an evolution. every single thing we do on this planet requires training. you have training from your parents, from the time you're born, and that training never stops until the day you die. you're always actively involved in something. if it's aviation, hockey, baseball, soccer, whatever it is, you do your own job day to day requires training. and you know, as a professional, your goal is to increase your knowledge and become the best at what you do. and that is the goal of most professionals, and especially not especially, but in cases of things like flying airplanes, controlling aircraft and air traffic controller. these are some of the hardest jobs to do accurately. and then when we compound that with high speed of operations, the pressure increases. and at some point the cracks start to show. >> and so just to drill down a little bit and again, not blaming anyone, but what

questions do you have. what lessons can be learned. because we know from the audio we heard between the air traffic control and the black hawk helicopter, there was some communication. atc asking if they saw the plane and then 13 seconds later, the collision happened. >> and this comes right back to human factors. everything we do in life is also human factors based. it is the root of everything we do. so my account of the situation is that it is very possible that the the black hawk crew did not have the correct aircraft in their sights. and just to delve in just a little bit more, the one call the air traffic controller made, and this is all time sensitive. this is all immediate. get it done because there's 14 more airplanes coming in. the only thing that i would have seen there would be could the air traffic controller have just said the aircraft at your 12:00 straight ahead, because that would confirm that. then

the helicopter pilots were looking in the correct direction. this is not a critique. this is not the blame game. and the controller, if you're listening, you are a hero for what you do every day. >> i 100%. >> have no. >> yeah. >> there is no critique. there is nothing. this is the difficulty of these jobs and young people watching this broadcast today. you are coming up next. you are the next people to be doing these jobs. and it is up to you to also find the flaws in the procedures and the training, because that will never end. that's evolution. and evolution never stops. >> yeah, we should all scrutinize. i mean, every day i do, certainly. what could i have done better? what can i have learned? you know, that process never, never ends. and again, no blame at all. and let me just say and we talked about this last hour, i just talked about it with the air traffic controller. like the amount of professionalism we saw as well though, i mean, to to for that air traffic controller to have seen the collision happen on his or her watch and then have to

immediately pivot to directing the other planes in the area to the other airports. i, i can't imagine how much training it took and the amount of professionalism to be able to do that. a lot of us would just break down in that moment, right? >> and this is exactly why training is so very important. and not just training, but effective training. and i think we can hear the difference in what i'm saying there. the effective training is what allows you to do your job when the adrenaline is flowing, when the fear is kicking in, when the situation is dire. i think of sully and his adventure on the hudson river that comes from decades, decades of experience. that was a subconscious maneuver as opposed to a more conscious maneuver. that was just something that occurred to him that made the most sense on a very deep level. >> let me just ask you this. and we've been playing the video. i believe we can show it now of the new angles. um, how difficult would it have been for the airplane pilot to have seen the black hawk helicopter,

especially at only 375ft of altitude, ready to getting ready to land? >> because we don't have any kind of a simulated visual of what the pilots would have seen from each aircraft at that altitude. and the investigation will, will create that for us, so we can see exactly what each flight crew would have seen. it's very hard to comment on that. and, you know, um, the fact that these two airplane airplanes could come together in the sky, people think, how is that possible? it is a huge sky. there are all kinds of lights around. if this had been in an area where there was minimal ground lighting and minimal traffic in the sky, we wouldn't be having this discussion. this is this is the challenge of operating at a high density airport. and almost every major airport, every major airport in the in the world now is a high density airport, for sure. >> just very quickly, the tcas system is supposed to prevent collisions. why didn't that work

here? and from what i've i've read and my understanding is at a certain altitude, if you're low enough, it's not doing the same thing right. or is that. >> that's correct. the tcas system. i'll try to i'll try to break it down into its you know, it's basically as i can as quickly as. >> you can. >> sorry, sorry. go ahead. at traffic advisory. the resolution advisory will tell me to climb. climb now. it will tell the other craft to descend. descend now. this is independent of air traffic control. in this search, in this circumstance, the the tcas systems would be giving information. but air traffic control is taking priority and giving both aircraft permission to continue because they see each other and they are going safely around each other. >> okay. aaron murphy, thank you so much. i learned so much from talking with you, and i hope our viewers did as well. thank you. i'll be right back. >> i'm not happy to share and feel sorry. >> thank you this part changed my life.

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