coming straight down for one turn of the plane. and it was also spiraling down. but one turn of the plane, it almost looked like a small, you know, like explosion on board. maybe an uncontained engine failure or something like that. but then when it turns around, it could be just a plane. the plane's reflection. but clearly absolutely loaded. and that would with fuel. and that would make sense given its flight history of, you know, fairly long distances and about three flights a day. so, you know, a workhorse plane, whatever it was doing, it flew a lot. >> it flew a lot. we don't know what it was doing. we don't know much about it. we know it was a jet rescue air of something of that nature. but three flights a day of obviously very significant. all right. thank you all so very much. as we are looking at this and these, these breaking details of this

>> good evening from ronald reagan national airport. we are covering two breaking news stories tonight. and we start with the breaking news of another plane crash. the faa says a business jet crashed in northeast philadelphia near a local mall at about 6:30 p.m. about a short time ago, an hour and a half ago. we have new ring camera video that captured the moment of impact, and i want to play that for you. >> hamas. she's she's. yeah, she's still hanging. on. >> the plane, dropping out of the sky. this is more video of the crash. a massive fireball just a short time ago. the deadly crash comes just two nights. you see there the

fireball off in the distance. this, of course, comes two nights after wednesday night's mid-air collision here in northern virginia. we'll have the latest on the investigation into that crash in a moment, because we've been watching crews out on the potomac right outside reagan airport, where i am right now. but first, our aviation correspondent, pete muntean joins us with the latest on this new crash in philadelphia. pete, let's talk about the plane involved. what we know happened. >> we know, at least from the faa right now, confirming for us through an official source that this was a lear 55 business jet. to clarify, that is not the small single engine airplane that was initially reported as having gone down in this philadelphia neighborhood. this is a twin engine business jet of about ten tons of maximum weight, goes about 450mph. and the or. the faa is also confirming to us that this flight just left philadelphia northeast international airport at about 630. eastern standard time was on its way to

springfield-branson national airport in missouri. that's a flight of about 1100 miles. so this plane would be fully loaded with fuel very likely, and would explain the large fireball that we have seen in these videos that keep surfacing on social media. the early data, the preliminary data from open source flight tracking site ads-b exchange, also corroborated by flightradar24, is that this flight took off and was airborne for about 40 minutes. it took off on philadelphia northeast airport's runway two four. that's to the southwest, and was airborne for about 40s and was descending at the very end at 11,000ft per minute. that is an alarmingly high rate of descent. business jets like this in a normal descent, descend at about 2500 or 3000ft a minute, depending on their speed. so there is a lot of detail emerging here. but of course, to underscore, things are very preliminary, very early to speculate on the cause of this

crash. the most alarming thing to me right now is the video surfacing from ring doorbell cameras that shows this plane essentially making a lawn dart like descent into this philadelphia neighborhood. it is not too far away from this airport, and it is very densely populated. of course, this will trigger a conversation about whether or not airports like this should be close to densely populated areas. remember, this is an airplane that is not particularly small. it's more akin in size to the regional jet that we saw involved in the mid-air collision, only a few thousand feet away from where i'm standing here at reagan national airport. >> so, pete, a couple of questions. there are two people we believe aboard this. that would be the pilot and copilot on a flight like this, right? i'm not sure if it's by law, but normally there would be two pilots, two people in the cockpit on a flight like this, wouldn't there? >> i'm. i'm not the most familiar with the lear 55, but business jets of this vintage typically require a dual pilot operation, meaning a pilot and a copilot. some business jets, some newer business jets. you

can fly with one pilot only. this is probably the pilot and the copilot. and the faa does confirm to us that two people were on board. of course, it's very preliminary information, and the faa always underscores in its statements like this that this is subject to change. the faa is investigating now. and now the national transportation safety board is investigating. according to the faa, those investigators have had a particularly tough week. there have been about 40 of them on site here at reagan national airport and out in the dark, cold potomac river, looking at the wreckage from american airlines flight 5342 and that u.s. army black hawk helicopter, the human toll is on them as well. and of course, they will very likely be launching to another investigation in less than three days time. >> you talked about a possible mexican registration of this aircraft, and that it may be linked to a company that that that talk about what you know about where this plane may have come from.

>> the open source data shows that this plane carries a tail number prefix of x, a x ray alpha. that means it's from mexico. it's not the typical n november registration that you see on airplanes that originate and are registered in the united states. i've not had a chance to dig into the registry data for this airplane. of course, an airplane like this would typically be registered to a company. it's very rare that a private individual would own a large business jet, like a lear 55. like this typically holds two crew, maybe ten passengers, depending on the configuration of the airplane, and it can hold a fairly big heft. it's not something that is not a small airplane by any means, maybe more of a medium sized airplane, a maximum weight of about 20,000 pounds. >> this is a special security. >> and there would be a lot of fuel on this. you were saying that the flight path of this, that it has made a number of flights already today and

actually has a i mean, it flies this is an aircraft that has used a lot. >> items or packages from unknown. >> yeah. clearly. and and it would have to carry a fair amount of fuel to make a flight from philadelphia northeast airport to springfield-branson missouri airport. that's about a trip of 1100 miles. so it's also westbound. that's into the wind. that reduces the speed of the airplane. the speed over the ground, meaning that you have to carry more fuel to be in the air for a longer period of time. so that would explain the large fireball that we have seen and the ensuing fire on the ground and the thick black smoke that is emerging from this neighborhood in philadelphia and near not only a residential area, but also a retail area, a mall, a very sad state of affairs. anderson, now that we have just covered another plane crash in only a couple of days. >> yeah. pete muntean stay with us. i want to bring in former transportation secretary ray

lahood. also, stephen wallace, a former faa director of accident investigation, who is here with me in the at the airport. secretary lahood, when you see this, particularly that ring camera image where the plane just seems to plummet out of the sky, what what stands out to you about this? >> well, um, without really knowing, uh, what happened? uh, i wonder if something mechanical took place. anderson. uh. and, uh, the way that it appears to be descending, uh, it appears that they, the pilots lost control of the plane and it descended very, very quickly. >> stephen wallace, you worked with the fda for a long time, looked at a lot of crashes. this video to you looks like a catastrophic failure. >> it does. i mean, the airplane, as pete said, was in the air for 40s. and then we saw

just a brief video clip that showed it in an absolutely vertical descent. so something catastrophic happened. so, you know, it can be an engine explodes, it could be a structural failure, or it could even be a collision. you know, again, uh, we're in the early stages of the investigation of the accident here at reagan airport, and we're in the extremely early stages of this investigation, but it certainly appears that something catastrophic happened that to explain that vertical descent. >> chief ramsey, just from a as you're very familiar with obviously philadelphia and also washington, d.c., former chief of police commissioner ramsey talk about the neighborhood where this crash occurred and what you know about the airport. >> well, northeast, uh, dc, it is heavily populated. row homes. the mall is there. it's kind of like a strip mall. it's not a large mall like plymouth meeting or king of prussia mall here in, uh, in the philadelphia area.

it's more of a strip mall. i was speaking to someone from the police department to get a little bit more information. the plane actually crashed in the street on onto cottman avenue. now, that's a major thoroughfare, and there are multiple fatalities on the ground. i'm being told, including a couple in nearby homes from the explosion itself. the mall was not struck, but he did go down in traffic right in on cottman avenue. wow. >> so the plane actually crashed into the avenue itself? >> into the street. it went straight down into the street itself. uh, there is a huge debris field that's going to have to be, uh, cordoned off. and obviously the fire department's prime, primary responsibility now is to stop the fire. uh, jet fuel. fortunately, our fire department here in philly because of philly international as well as northeast airport, they do have a lot of equipment to do to do

just that. deal with a plane crash, jet fuel and things like that. but there's a huge debris field. unfortunately, there are multiple fatalities, uh, associated with this. >> chief ramsey, in terms of of dealing with that jet fuel, as you indicated, that would i mean, it requires special equipment for firefighters to be able to to extinguish flames from jet fuel. >> yeah. i mean, it's a foam like material. i'm not a firefighter, but i've seen them use it before where they put out the fire. he obviously you can't use water, uh, for something like that, but they do have specially equipped vehicles that responded to the scene to to deal with that particular, uh, issue. there are a couple homes that caught fire, uh, and obviously from that explosion, that one video that you saw from the ring doorbell, you could hear the sound of, of of glass breaking as the shockwave from the actual impact itself, i

would imagine, where, uh, there are some homes that that were damaged as a result of that. but unfortunately, we do have fatalities on the ground. how many? i do not know, but it's a significant incident here. >> yeah. if we can, you know, let's try to play this ring camera with the sound and not talk over it. and so we can just hear what the ring camera picked up. if we're able to do that. >> right. >> so so pete muntean you can actually it sounds like you can actually hear the aircraft kind of as it is plummeting. >> yeah. and the video shows a lawn dart like descent. i have to disagree some with what our contributors are saying. this may have been something that is pilot, cause this may have been

some sort of upset, uh, due to some sort of malfunction in the airplane. it may not be necessarily mechanical. it may be an autopilot issue. um, i'm not sure if the airplane had some some major, uh, failure of some type engine failure or something that would not really explain a near-vertical descent. and so i think it's really early to speculate on the cause here. but we know that videos like this, and with the emergence of doorbell videos, they continue to be used by investigators to figure out the narrative of what went wrong. we know that this was an incredibly short narrative that, according to the open source data, this airplane was in the air for only about 40s after taking off from runway two four at philadelphia northeast airport. i have to tell you, i've landed at philadelphia northeast airport. i've landed there in good weather. it is. it's nice because it's convenient to the philadelphia area. you don't have to fly a small airplane into the busy philadelphia

international airport. it's easy to get an uber ride into the city. i was there not all that long ago. even, you know, these general aviation airports are a great resource to our country. and there are 3000 public use general aviation airports in the u.s., primarily auxiliary fields. we have seen them come into great use during the wildfires in the l.a. area to stage aircraft. this is something, though, that will no doubt trigger a conversation about small airports near very urban areas. and it seems that this plane came down in that urban area very quickly after taking off. >> and, pete, how long did you say that it was in the air for the cnn weather unit is reporting there was light rain just starting to pick back up after or around the time of the crash this evening. um, i mean, if i don't know, we don't know if weather was in any way a factor, but how long was it in the air for. >> members of the military? >> the weather could potentially be a factor only because of the fact that the clouds are low. there is light rain and mist

that poses a whole nother set of challenges for pilots when it comes to staying oriented and keeping the airplane upright relative to the horizon. i'm just going to look back at the data here. the open source data from ads-b exchange. it says that this flight took off at about 606 and 21 seconds local time. that's the first return signature from the transponder on the plane. and then the last signature that shows the 11,000 foot descent is at 60702. so if we're going to subtract that, we're talking about 41 seconds in the air. um, this seems like this plane only reached a maximum altitude of about 1600 feet above ground level. and so that is not very high. it's not like this airplane was flying at high altitude and came down immediately. this airplane was still climbing out. this happened almost immediately after takeoff. and we know from the air traffic control audio that we're now able to access that the pilots were told to

contact a frequency that they are typically and routinely told to contact. after speaking to the control tower there at philadelphia northeast airport, they were told to contact departure. and then there was apparently confusion there at the control tower where the controller tried to reach this flight several times, to no avail. it's a very morose and grim tale that we have seen play out one more time in the united states. commercial air travel is incredibly safe. we just saw something that flew in the face of that, it's a different story when talking about business jets and corporate jets and small aircraft, private aircraft, general aviation, flying. the safety record is regrettably much different. and that is the bottom line. >> pete. now, you had we believe this is a medevac jet or related to a company that provides medevac services. >> we know that the call sign was a medevac call sign that they were using on the radio, and that is something that a

moniker that is given to flights. if they were doing something like transporting a patient, of course, you're familiar with medevac helicopters, but business jets are often used to transport patients longer distances, or they could be transporting something like an organ transplant. in fact, a source of mine flies, organs in business jets all of the time, usually overnight in varying weather conditions can be a particularly challenging flight. this is something that apparently occurred with at least one pilot. sometimes these organ transplant flights occur with one pilot and a doctor on board to monitor the organ. depending on what it is, i don't want to get ahead of my skis here. we do not want to speculate on what the actual mission is, but the medevac moniker means to the faa control faa air traffic controllers that this flight is given priority, and they are often given more direct routes and better handling when it comes to busy areas like the philadelphia airspace.

>> and chief ramsey, if you're still with us, can you talk a little bit about what this is like now, but not just for firefighters, but for paramedics, for police officers? i mean, if there are we don't know the the you said there may be fatalities on the ground this you said this hit a lilley leave you to describe it. um, but obviously for firefighters the priority is trying to get out the flames. you've got jet fuel out there. that's got to be very difficult then for paramedics and law enforcement to get to people who may be injured or or who are deceased. >> well, yeah, right now, of course, putting the fire out, they're probably evacuating people on that block to make sure that everyone is safe, not only from the from the fire itself, but the toxic fumes. uh, you can see from the shot now, you can see the way the wind is blowing. uh, the smoke, the fumes. that shot is actually

going down, uh, cottman avenue. and you can see from that how wide a street, cottman avenue actually is. it's this is a major thoroughfare. uh, my understanding is there is a huge debris field, uh, that has to be secured. so it's going to take a lot of resources in order to be able to do that. uh, and that's pretty much what's being done now in terms of the unified command that has been established between police and fire and others that are responding to the scene, um, to make sure that they can do everything that needs to be done. but that is a very congested area. you've got you see a lot of parked cars, a lot of people. so it's a huge area to to try to control right now. >> steven wallace, when you were with the faa investigating, looking at at crashes in a in an area like this, i mean, if this came down on a street where there's traffic, does that, how

much does that complicate the actual crash investigation itself? >> well. >> and the large debris field. >> yes. well, it certainly the safety of the people on the ground and the and the first responders are taking care of that is the priority. so that that will certainly make the determination of the cause of the accident is very much a secondary consideration at that point. so, um, those are things that investigators are fairly routinely deal with. >> secretary lahood, the new administration's appointees to the faa, and the department of transportation just started their jobs. how big a task do they have in front of them right now with this in philadelphia and obviously this ongoing, um, tragedy here in washington, dc. >> well, it looks like the fact that they have no faa administrator, although apparently the president appointed someone to to look into the the crash that occurred

at, uh, at reagan. um, it's, you know, sean sean duffy, the new secretary is three days into into his job and he's relying on career people, which are outstanding people, uh, both at the faa and at the department of transportation. they've been through these kinds of incidents, and they can give him good advice. i think some good advice that was given today is, uh, uh, through the secretary of defense is terminating the, the, you know, the the army helicopter flights. i think that was a very, very good decision. and, uh, so there there are very good people, uh, with lots of years of experience that can be helpful. uh, anderson, i want to make one other point for the for the viewers. and that is this um, uh, the ntsb has been spending an enormous amount of time, uh, and, and their human

capital in, in beginning the. investigation, um, at reagan. uh, but they will be immediately tasked to come to philadelphia, come to this site, and be immediately begin an investigation. and the chairwoman will have to assign one of her board members and some staff people, uh, to be on the scene immediately, uh, to begin, um, the investigation. so they're capable. they have, as i've said many times, it's the most capable, uh, organization in terms of investigations, because they have people with a lot of expertise, but they're very stretched. um, in, in washington, and they're going to be even more stretched when they have to deliver people here to philadelphia to begin the investigation. >> and secretary lahood, i mean, how how i mean, how many incidents like this have you

seen in a residential area, in a business area? i mean, where there's traffic in in a street, how much does that complicate things? >> you know, many of these general aviation airports are located near residential areas. and so it's not completely uncommon to have, uh, a crash in an area where there are residents. i don't i don't really recall one as densely populated as this one, but many of the general aviation, um. airfields are, are in areas where there are, uh, a number of people and i don't, don't recall really, uh, one where there's, you know, this kind of, uh, strip mall or mall or whatever the right term is. so, um, but it's not uncommon. i would say that. and it's not uncommon to

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people aboard the plane. these are very early reports, we should point out, which was a twin engine aircraft with a mexican registration number. i want to bring in a former department of transportation inspector general, mary schiavo. mary. chief ramsey, former commissioner of police, had said he talked to sources on the ground in philadelphia who say that this hit on a road, a trafficked road, and that there are injuries or fatalities on the ground on this road as well. what? i mean, this is a very complicated situation right now. >> right. and i think the biggest clue came in that video footage that we've seen where the plane came literally straight down out of the sky. there would be no way to control that plane descending totally out of loss of control. and it had a slight spin on it. and that would indicate. >> this is the video that you're talking about. >> yes, that is a plane. >> totally. it's going straight. straight down, straight down. >> they could not have maintained any control. they would have had no ability to direct it away from people, from

traffic, or even attempted emergency landing on a, on a road. there's just no way that is a plane completely out of control. >> i just want to play that ring camera again with just the sound. when us not talking over it so our viewers can hear those who are just joining. >> what? >> what have you. have you seen that before? >> like like that? you mean on other planes? no, i mean, that is an unbelievably just straight down descent, which means whatever happened, happened obviously up at altitude and left it unable to be controlled. now, just for that vision right there, it looks almost like there's some sort of an explosion or fire, but it could be a reflection. i have to say, you can't tell for. >> sure on the ring camera. >> that's right. >> the way the. >> light. >> is. >> very difficult to tell. i mean, it's great that the ring camera capture as it was, but for a second it looks as though

something was was doing that. but this this is clearly not you know what what often you see is not spatial disorientation. it's not loss of situational reference. it's clearly not fuel starvation. something went terribly wrong on that plane to make it fall like that. >> i want to bring in cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean. pete, what is the latest you're learning? >> i'm looking at the video now, anderson, and trying to decipher this from the from the doorbell, camera video. obviously, you can see the lawn dart like descent as this flight is descending out of the overcast there near philadelphia northeast international airport. some have pointed out to me that it looks like the plane is on fire. it's a little hard to tell because of the aperture of the camera if it's on fire, or if that's just, uh, just the lights of the airplane. it was night. so this plane would typically be illuminated with not only lights on the wingtips, but also on the tail and also looking forward on the nose, the landing lights. it's really hard to say. it looks to me like there is some sort of roll element to the airplane, meaning that the airplane looks like it's maybe descending in a

curvature like this, like inverted, but it's just really too soon to to give any sort of, uh, substantive analysis based on this video. what we do know is that this was a learjet 55. just to reset here, a midsize business jet, maximum weight of about 20,000 pounds holds about two crew, ten passengers, depending on the configuration of the airplane. this was a medevac flight that was leaving philadelphia northeast airport. that's a general aviation airport in the northeast end of the city. uh, a little bit further away from philadelphia international airport, but very common destination for business jets. we know this flight was on its way to springfield-branson national airport in missouri. that's about 1100 mile flight. this plane, because it's westbound, would be loaded with full fuel. the cruising speed of the learjet 55 like this, about 450mph. and we know, at least from the faa that there are two

people on board. there was a tweet by transportation secretary sean duffy that said there were six people on board right now. we were going with the faa number, which is two people on board. no confirmed fatalities yet, but the faa has confirmed to us that it will investigate and the national transportation safety board will investigate. we don't have an official statement yet from the ntsb, but one an incident like this happens. they launch a go team not too far away from where i'm standing here at reagan national airport, hangar six. that's where they launch from. and a small crew will usually get in the faa administrator's private airplane and go to the site of this accident with a lot of rapidity. this is something that they have done only barely 48 hours ago at 8:50 p.m., is when the crash of american airlines flight 5342 and that united states army black hawk helicopter happened not far from where i'm standing in the potomac river. it is raining here as well today and or this evening, and that will also be a factor that, of course,

investigators will want to look into the weather. not particularly good at philadelphia northeast international airport. low overcast, rain and mist. that will be something that investigators will fold into their investigation as they just begin this. we are at the very opening stages of trying to figure out exactly what happened here. >> and pete, how much fuel do you would an aircraft like this have for? i mean, if it's going to to branson, from from philadelphia, more than a thousand miles. >> um, the gallons would have to be in the hundreds. anderson. i'm not totally sure of the fuel capacity on the lear 55. it usually has a capacity of about 6,000 pounds. um, that's a significant amount of fuel. um, it private business jets measure fuel in pounds, not gallons. that's a bit of a difference from smaller airplanes. and to be clear, this is not something

that was a very small aircraft. initially we were reporting this might have been a single engine airplane. this is a twin engine jet. it's much closer in size to the regional jet that we saw crash here in dc has a wingspan of about 45 to 50ft. and it is a pretty large airplane requires typically to crew. um, this is not something it's of a vintage that would not be a jet that would be able to be flown by one passenger. and we're getting more details about this all the time. but of course, investigators will want to look at the video that you and i keep seeing, that we keep bringing in at cnn to figure out what went wrong here. and they are able to deduce with a lot of reliability and go through frame by frame by doing a little bit of trigonometry and a little bit of math, the speed of the airplane, the altitude. although we do know that at least from the preliminary data from open source sites like ads-b exchange and flightradar24, that this flight had just taken off was in

the air for a total of about 41 or 42 seconds and reached a maximum descent of an alarming rate of 11,000ft per minute. that is a tremendous plunge, and the maximum altitude here was only about 1600 feet, according to the data. so it's a very granular data, but it's very preliminary. and of course, the ntsb will have access to much better data from radar, from radar locations around the philadelphia area. and the sad reality is this came down in a neighborhood, pete. >> cnn has obtained some of the air traffic control transmissions around the time of the crash. again, the learjet 55 had taken off from the northeast philadelphia airport. we're going to play you just the verbal portions. there were also periods of silence that may ultimately be relevant to the investigation, but we're just playing you the verbal portions at this point. let's listen to those clips as we hear them for the first time.

>> belongings. medevac med service 056. contact. departure 123.8. medevac med service. northeast tower medevac. med service 056. northeast tower. you on frequency 36 098 foxtrot northeast ground. roger. stand by. one. i'll get back to you when i can. we have a lost aircraft. we're not exactly sure what happened, so we're trying to figure it out for now. the field is going to be closed, so. no. no inbound or outbound. probably we have a lost aircraft. >> pete. when or when an air traffic controller says we have a lost aircraft, do they on their monitors? does it just disappear? >> well, from the tower there and the tower there is relatively high. you can see a fair amount even when the weather is bad. the when there's no transponder data put out from an airplane, which is usually one of the first things

that happens in a crash, they cannot see it on their radar scopes. i don't know if they have primary radar at philly, philly, northeast philly airport. it might be just a repeater radar from philadelphia international airport, meaning that the airport does not have its own radar system. i'd have to look it up. i haven't had a chance to look it up yet. um, that gives them a little bit more fidelity into the radar and what airplanes are doing in the area, but it is clear that the controller there, and we're hearing only one side of the conversation. mind you, i can tell by the sameness of the voice and the transmissions that the controller told this. >> there's a press conference happening right now. pete, i have to interrupt. there's a press conference happening right now. let's listen. >> in about what we know for certain right now. an aircraft went down in the vicinity of roosevelt mall on cottman avenue this occurred shortly after 6 p.m. this evening. as of right now, we have no reports on the

number of fatalities. so right now we're just asking for prayers for any and everyone who may have been affected. we do want to note that several dwellings and vehicles were impacted. so what are we asking you to do for us right now? philadelphia, we are urging you to please stay away from the scene. if you see debris. call 911. don't touch anything. this is still an active scene under investigation. i'm proud to note that all of our federal and state partners, they are either enroute here or on the ground with us right now. we did some see some neighbors who live in the surrounding community. just stay in your home again. it's still an active scene and it's under investigation. this is only the first of many briefings

i'm sure to come on this evening. and of course, when daylight comes, when we have more facts and information to share with you. but i do want to say a special thank you right now again, to all of our federal and state partners and our amazing first responders right here in the city of philadelphia. our fire, our ems, our police department. they have been here working vigorously to ensure that we get this perimeter and the surrounding area blocked off to ensure that we make public safety and health our number one priority. so we don't have any further information to share at this time. i've spoken to our governor, josh shapiro. he is in route. i've spoken to our u.s. senator john fetterman. other federal officials, and everyone all hands on deck. that's where we are right now. thank you so very much. and we'll have more

information to report in the near future. >> thank you. mayor. >> well, that was philadelphia's mayor, cherelle parker, not giving any indication of any other injuries or fatalities that may have occurred on the ground. i think we have former police commissioner of philadelphia, chief ramsey, still with us. chief ramsey, let's just just recap what the latest that you have heard from people about where this hit and what the scene is and any information about, uh, anybody else who may have been injured? >> well, the plane went down on cottman avenue, which is a major thoroughfare. uh, the individual i was speaking with said that there are several cars on cottman avenue that are completely burned out, uh, as well as house fires that are taking place, uh, in that particular area, there are

fatalities. um, i don't know how many, but it was described to me as multiple fatalities. um, at this point in time, the mayor is absolutely right. when you give a press conference, she doesn't have all the information. and of course, you always have next of kin. you've got to, you know, identify people. there's a lot of stuff that has to happen. so it'll be a while before we start getting an actual count. up of individuals that were either injured or killed in this particular situation, but it doesn't look good at all. based on where this plane went down. i know it's very, very heavily populated. and that time of day there would be a lot of people just driving home or driving to the mall or what have you. again, roosevelt boulevard and cottman avenue are both major thoroughfares here in northeast philly. >> are permitted. >> and we should point out that the faa has just updated their

number of the people on board the aircraft that crashed there in philadelphia. initially, they had been saying two people, now they're saying six people on board the aircraft. um, we are told now that is, uh, at this point, the official number just on the aircraft itself. um, as as chief ramsey indicated, it seems like there are fatalities on the ground, but we do not know the number of those fatalities. um, mary schiavo, in terms of just the investigation, i mean, there is the the scene itself, which first responders are dealing with, and then there is the actual investigation that, uh, ntsb officials will be already, i assume, heading towards. >> oh, that's right, they will be heading towards and preliminary indication lists the plane as being of mexico registry, which means mexico will have the right to participate in the investigation too. so it just became more of an international investigation. and by upping the number from 2

to 6, it does appear that it was, you know, a working flight, because it wasn't just the pilot and copilot in the u.s. you'd have to have a pilot and copilot, uh, presumably since they were doing runs, you know, uh, as a medevac in the u.s, they would have, i hope, to comply with u.s. regulations. but when you look up this plane on on flight radar. >> this is new video that we are seeing now for the first time. um, were you actually see the aircraft? let's we'll obviously show that to you again. but also this just gives you a sense of if this is the road that the plane. i mean, it looks like this is the road that the plane. >> oh my, oh, my. >> wow. >> yeah. that's. >> i mean that is a large fireball. >> was and it did appear to be spinning up as it came down, rotating somewhat. >> the the aircraft itself seems to be rotating. >> to you. >> out of control completely. >> yeah. a m to 4 p.m. on

saturday and sunday. the uso lounge is located in terminal one, across from the airport's lost and found offices, and can be accessed by. >> so obviously we're i mean, throughout the night we were going to be getting other vantage, other angles on this as as more people kind of check their cameras and, and send things out. in terms of the, the process, what is it now? i mean, look, there's there's jet fuel on the ground, there's fatalities there, fatalities injured people on the ground. there's, you know, police have to search through houses once the fires are put out for people. >> what come first, the first responders will take care of the hazmat, the searching for the people, the the dangerous things on the ground. the ntsb always waits. they do not go in while the firefighters, hazmat, emergency responders are doing their job. there will be plenty left for them to do when that's done, but they they will hold

back and let the first responders do their job first. and one thing to note is flight radar also indicates this plane had been making about three flights a day. it was a workhorse of a plane, so this clearly was not often you worry is it's the first flight out of maintenance. had they done something to this plane that made it uncontrollable or whatever it had been doing many, many flights, pretty long distances, including the caribbean, to mexico, um, back and forth to the midwest, a hop to california. so it made a lot of flights recently without a parent, without a parent trouble. >> and in terms of of making multiple flights, is there are there checks that are done in between those flights? >> yes, there's there's you. the pilot's supposed to check, do the walk around, et cetera. but that also means with all those flights there would have been refueling. it would have had, you know, fuel on it. it would have there would have been a lot of hands on this plane. so, uh, opportunities for people to notice if there was something wrong. but then of course, also opportunities to, to go wrong.

but this is something that's terribly wrong. and, you know, unfortunately, we've now learned that perhaps there were, you know, medical personnel, a patient on board since it was a medevac plane. strange that it was working in the u.s. as a medevac plane, but registered in mexico. but nonetheless, we now know that with additional people on board, one can guess. no one knows this yet, but one can guess it would be a doctor, a patient. you'd have a doctor transporting the patient or an end, um, a terrible, terrible loss. >> i want to bring in david soucie, a former aviation safety. inspector. david, we now have two very disturbing videos. one from the ring camera, the other from it looks like a vehicle on a major thoroughfare in which we see the aircraft plummeting from. i mean, from this vantage point that we're. this is the latest video, it seems, coming in at an angle from the ring camera. it looks

much more of just a kind of plummeting straight down. what stands out to to you, david, what questions do you have at this point? >> well, at. >> this point i'd be looking at weight and balance issues. i've worked on this airplane from the time it first came out. i was an aircraft mechanic and worked on this long horn of the lear 55. i believe it was, but, um, they are really prone to stalling and their weight and balance is extremely critical. even the way that you fuel it with heavy fuel. the wings first, or if you fuel the tail first, if you fuel the tail first, it'll actually literally take the nosewheel off the ground. so it's critically important that that weight and balance, of course, it's too early to know what the cause is, but to see that it's going straight down like that, it looks like a stall. there was no airspeed. it appears to be rotating a little bit as well too. so as mary pointed out. so i think that that, uh, it looks to me like there was some kind of, um, failure that caused the stall of the aircraft. it wasn't. it's going straight in, uh, just horrific to watch that, isn't it?

>> you said prone to stalling. what? why would why would something be prone to stalling? >> well, because of the critical weight and balance. so it's a swept wing aircraft. it comes back. it has winglets that go straight up on the sides. so what happens is that that as the fuel is burned off of that airplane, it changes the direction. it changes the center of gravity of the airplane. so it's important that you fuel it properly, that you have the right fuel in the wings, that you don't do the tail first or burn off everything in the in the wings before the tail. so if it's loaded up in the tail, it would cause the weight and balance to make the aircraft go like this. so that's what you want to make sure is that that that that is fueled that the fuel three different fuel cells are balanced properly. and so if you're running ems and it looks like they've been doing this a long time, but uh, what's suspicious to me is the fact that it didn't it this these engines quit. let's say on a lear it would normally just be able to land and glide and land. it may have still been an accident, but not like this. the way this going down straight means that that lost airspeed at

some point. there wasn't any lift going over the top of the wing, so it's going straight down, um, and spinning. so that indicates to me that it was some kind of a stall. and when i talk about weight and balance, it's not prone to that. what it's prone to is improperly loading the fuel into the aircraft can change that weight and balance to a point that's not recoverable. >> and obviously, if i mean this is a plane, which is made a lot of stops, it's it's, you know, got a lot of missions going on, how closely, i mean, who's in charge of the fueling process. how closely would the pilots monitor that? who's checking that. >> typically the copilot doesn't walk around on every flight? uh, the loading crew also comes up, but there's a lot going on on a medical flight. i don't know if the passenger was on board or not. usually it is, uh, because they said there was six people on takeoffs, so i would think that that's the, uh, the medical crew and the two pilots flying the aircraft. you

can fly this aircraft with one pilot, but it has to be modified to do so. but in this case, when they're flying passengers, medical passengers, there's typically two. so the copilot does the walk around and makes sure that that happens. they supervise the fueling. they check the fueling at the end of it as part of their checklist to make sure that the the volumes in the tanks are proper. so, you know, it's it's way too speculative of me to actually say that that's what caused this. but i just know from my experience of working on this airplane and the various things that we watch for in that airplane, very specifically to that model, those are some of the cautions that we caution pilots about when they fly these aircraft. and during training for a learjet, we caution them about that. but, um, i can't think of anything else, really, that would cause the airplane to go in in that direction because because engines out. even if both engines were out. it's not typical of how this airplane would come down. it has a very good glide path. >> maintain control of your personal belongings. >> i want to go to pete muntean, who has some new information.

pete, what are you learning? >> inspection bombshell. new details here. anderson. from the company that was operating this medevac flight. they have posted on linkedin. the company is called jet rescue, and they say that there was one pediatric patient on board, along with an escort, and there were four crew members on board this plane. the faa has also confirmed that there were six on board this flight. i'm going to read you more of the statement here from jet rescue, the operator of this learjet 55. they say at this time we cannot confirm any survivors. no names are being released at this time until family members have been notified. our immediate concern is for the patient's family, our personnel, their families and other victims that have been hurt on the ground. more information will be released as it becomes available, so there are some implicit new details here. saying that there are essentially, uh, unlikely to be any survivors. they say they cannot confirm any survivors. and the statement also seems to

hint at the fact that people may have been at least hurt on the ground. we have heard some preliminary details from those on the ground that there may have been people hurt, or may have been people killed on the ground, although no confirmation of numbers. but the big thing here is that we now know this was not two people on board. this was not just a pilot and a copilot of piloting this learjet from philadelphia northeast airport to springfield-branson airport in missouri, that this was a crew of four in total, along with a pediatric patient and an escort of that pediatric patient. of course, we'll get some more biographical details as this begins to trickle out. but all of this information, new and coming in from jet rescue, the company that was operating what appears to be a medevac flight across country, medevac flight of about 1100 miles. >> it's just just it's sickening and awful. we're going to take a short break. we'll be back with more. grief isn't

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the age. the other passenger was a person escorting that baby or that child. jet rescue goes on to say that it. quote. at this time, we cannot confirm any survivors. no names are being released at this time until family members have been notified. our immediate concern is for the patient's family, our personnel, their families and other victims that may have been hurt on the ground. more information will be released as it becomes available now. local authorities in philadelphia just held a news conference. the mayor spoke. she could not give any definitive numbers on fatalities that occurred on the ground itself. they did say that dwellings and vehicles in the crash area, quote, were impacted. here's the moment of that crash as recorded on a ring doorbell camera. now the people you hear screaming, there are the people in that house not impacted by

not affected by the actual crash, but scared from what they are seeing in the flash of light. obviously, again, we've heard that because of the high traffic area where the jet crashed, there are potential for fatalities on the ground. none confirmed at this moment. back with us is mary schiavo, also chief ramsey and pete muntean. um, mary, what happens now? i mean, obviously police on the ground, firefighters on the ground putting out flames, trying to find victims, trying to find anybody injured that they can transport to, to hospitals. and in terms of the actual investigation of the aircraft that that's already underway, they're going to try to get there as quickly as possible. >> they're going to try to get there as quickly as possible. they're undoubtedly gathering records, fueling records. they will be gathering records on any maintenance on the plane. all the other stops of the plane. they are gathering those records, but they won't be able to get on site until the firefighters and