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from the northeast philadelphia airport. you can see the massive explosion that erupted right after that impact. the faa says that six people were on board and it was heading to springfield-branson national airport in missouri. ring doorbell video captured the moment of the crash, showing the plane in a nosedive before slamming into the ground. >> yeah, she's she's she's still hanging. >> the plane appears to be rotating as it was falling. it reached an altitude of about 1600 feet before plunging, coming down at 11,000ft per minute. the company operating the flight says one of the people on board was a pediatric patient. air traffic control

audio describes the jet as a medevac flight. >> medevac med service. northeast tower medevac med service 056 northeast tower. you on frequency? standby one. i'll get back to you when i can. we have a lost aircraft. we're not exactly sure what happened, so we're trying to figure it out for now. the field is going to be closed, so. no. no. inbound or outbound. >> probably. the mayor says that several homes and also cars were also impacted, but she didn't give any information about any possible fatalities on the ground. i want to bring in cnn's jason carroll, who is in philadelphia. jason, tell us what you are seeing there tonight on the ground. >> well, laura, we are right at the intersection of cottman avenue and roosevelt. behind me, just several blocks in that direction is where the crash actually took place. and you can

see just around just what kind of area we are in. there are a number of businesses in this particular area of northeast philadelphia. a number of homes in the area as well. and when you think about when this happened, laura, take into account this plane, this learjet 55 took off from philadelphia northeast just a little after 6:00. that's rush hour. so this area was teeming with people at that hour. so you can imagine a number of people saw what happened. a number of people heard what happened. you know, witnesses described saying that the lights that the sky here literally lit up when that jet crashed, when that small aircraft crashed, saying that it was a huge fireball. moments after impact. in addition to that, philadelphia's mayor, as you were saying a little earlier, could not indicate, at least at this point, the number of fatalities. but what we can

tell you is, again, there were six people on board. it was a medical aircraft headed to springfield, missouri. of those six people, there were four crew members, two passengers. one of those passengers, a small child. and so, again, this is an area, as you can see, that has been cordoned off. this is so all of those investigators that are here now, we're talking to the faa, we're talking ntsb, in addition to philly fire and police who are here on the scene as well. the area has been cordoned off so investigators can get to the task of doing what they need to do. the debris has been spread over a wide area, and so what needs to happen next is these investigators, in addition to trying to find out what happened, is they've got to come in here, pick up every single piece or as many pieces as they can of the aircraft, put it back together. and so what they're asking residents to do is if they see any pieces of the aircraft not to touch anything, to call 911 immediately so they can get out there and do what

they need to do. but again, this is the area that's been cordoned off and you can see down there some of the emergency vehicle lights. a lot of work at this point still needs to be done. and again, take into account where this happened in this section of philadelphia, the roosevelt mall right there, the ross store right over there, a number of buildings here impacted on the ground as well. according to the mayor, mayor and officials here on the ground. laura, also, at this point cannot confirm at this point the number of fatalities. laura. >> to think of that happening at rush hour in a populated area like that. jason, we're going to rely on you to be our eyes and ears on the ground. thank you. stay with us. i want to bring in shai gold, managing director for corporate strategy for jet rescue air ambulance. that's the company operating the flight. shai. unbelievable. to see these images this evening. what can you tell us about what you think happened to this flight?

>> hey, laura, thanks for having me on board. terrible tragedy. clearly our condolences go to the families. both the patient, her mother who escorted her. our crew of four. pilot, copilot, the flight paramedic. at this time, we can't speculate. we really don't know what happened. it's highly unusual for a plane to take off, right? to take off and crash right away. we. we simply don't know. we will have to wait patiently for this accident scene to be cleared for the ntsb to step in. we will cooperate fully with the authorities. anything they need will make available. this aircraft had an excellent maintenance record. it's a very reliable airplane that's been used before. >> shay, i think our hearts collectively broke when you said the patient's mother was also with her. i know there were six people, including that child.

and apparently her mother on board as well. what can you tell us about the nature of the flight, where where they were going, why they were going? any information? do you have? >> yes. i'll gladly share with you what we do have. so this flight was a repatriation flight of a patient who recovered and was headed home. she was fit to fly, cleared to go back home, and we were contracted by a third party charitable organization to transport her back to mexico. so the final destination was to be tijuana international airport. the flight that the springfield airport was what we call in the business, a technical flight. it was for fueling, refueling. and then we head straight south to tijuana why was she seeking treatment? >> do you know? was this a routine for her to be repatriated? and she'd been cleared to fly. how how long had it taken for her to be cleared?

do you know? >> well, unfortunately, we are not deliberately at liberty to discuss patient issues, particularly pediatric patients. it's governed by very clear, strict regulations. so i can't help you on that. but to us, it was a routine flight. and look, every every flight in any aviation carrier is approached with utmost care and attention to details. i can tell you that this was a very seasoned crew, a pilot and copilot doctor, paramedic, our our safety training exceeds industry standards. it exceeds regulatory requirements. we are a leading air ambulance company. we fly 6 to 700 times a year with critically ill or injured patients. and by allccounts, in the industry, we are well regarded and it's just an unfortunate, unfortunate turn of

events. >> for crew members on board. you said a pilot, copilot, a paramedic and a doctor also on board. um, this was an excellent maintenance record as well. do you have a sense of when this plane had recently been maintained? had there been how do you how are you aware of the record? >> uh, well, this all our aircraft are maintained both by regular scheduled maintenance, which is by the book, by manufacturer requirements, as well as occasionally. you know, we say when when a red light goes off in the cockpit, that plane goes nowhere. uh, so so it's handled by international american standards. it is a learjet. uh, so we go by the book. this aircraft was in excellent condition, well maintained, like the rest of our fleet. uh, and i can tell you that when it comes to safety and

maintenance, we are absolutely nuts. we don't save a penny on those things. we invest heavily in maintenance. uh, everything was up to speed. everything was was within, within standards. so. so we are terribly shocked and by this tragic turn of events tonight. >> as you mentioned, this is a learjet 55, i believe. is it this would be equipped with any type of flight data recorder of any kind. >> uh, well, the 55 belongs to the mid range family of learjets. it's it's on the extended range side. uh, whatever data has been recorded should be retrieved by the ntsb. uh, we really don't know what happened, you know, and we rely on ntsb to to to figure this out. uh, they they are professionals in what they do. and we'll just have to sit patiently and wait, clear this

accident scene. and for the ntsb team to move in. >> i certainly appreciate not making any premature conclusions. the tragedy is unfolding. we're learning about those who were on board that aircraft. and i appreciate you taking the time to explain a little bit about the fleet and what you know presently about the maintenance and the shock, certainly, that you have conveyed that this has happened among one of the 6 to 700 flights that have taken place by your organization this in the year alone. thank you so much for joining. please keep us apprized of whatever it is you might find out. >> thank you laura and our hearts go to the city of philadelphia. we thank the first responders. we thank everybody on the ground and our hearts go out to anybody that may have been hurt on the ground. i don't have a full picture yet. just, you know, god bless everyone and thank you so much for your interest. >> well, before i let you go, are you have you been contacted yet by the ntsb or any other organization to have you help with the investigation?

>> personally, i haven't been contacted. we expect to be contacted by the. >> and i would assume you'd be willing to help. thank you so much for joining. >> good night. >> i want to bring in a former pilot and aviation expert, steve cowell. steve, these events that are unfolding very quickly, we are still getting information. we are reeling from the shock of this. you have flown medevac flights on lear jets. i understand the same model, frankly, as the one that seems to have crashed. based on your experience, when you see that video, can you walk us through what you're looking at and for? >> well, just horrific. it's it's hard to describe really what took place. and to see an aircraft virtually plummet straight down. the learjet is a very reliable although older aircraft. uh, it was its use in

medevac is really very, very common throughout the country. the airplane flies well. it will cruise at airliner speeds about 8/10 the speed of sound. it will even be able to exceed airliner altitudes going up to altitudes in the 50,000 foot range. at times, um, it is extremely reliable, very responsive to fly. um, it's very, very difficult to say what may have created this horrific accident. >> you know, i know that people think that especially smaller aircrafts think about the balance of weight is an ems crew or a medevac type of flight. is it somehow substantively different from the preparations you would make on a normal passenger aircraft? >> well, it's not really that small of an airplane. it's

about 21,000 pounds or so aircraft. so it's fairly large. um, typically what a medevac crew will do is they're on station on an airport every single day. they will do the preflight inspection and they'll note anything that may be wrong. they're usually on call at that airport once they get the call to make the flight. you know, one of the crew members will do the preflight inspection. they'll get on board and be ready to go. weight and balance in the aircraft is pretty well predetermined there. it's, uh, it's really not going to be a huge consideration to the pilots. the the gurneys are the, uh, beds for the patients are placed in such a way that they're always in the same place. we know the weight of the patient. we know the weight of all the passengers. approximate weights. you know, that really

wasn't a consideration. whether we had too much weight in the back or too much weight in the front, especially on this airplane. that is very, very well powered. >> i'm so glad you mentioned that. to give people a visual of the predetermined nature of where things may have gone, but we've learned that this was going to go from philadelphia to branson and then eventually to tijuana. branson was going to be a technical stopover to refuel. given that this crash and explosion seemed to happen within minutes of even taking off, what type of equipment and fuel would have been on at this particular point? would this have been a full, obviously, a fully fueled flight falling nearly 1000 miles. >> right. the pilots would have fueled the airplane not only for the length of the trip, but for any alternates under federal aviation regulations, you're required to have enough fuel to your destination, enough fuel to hold, plus enough fuel to go to an alternate. and it's all

dependent upon the weather at the destination. so, uh, i suspect the plane had, you know, that much fuel on board. the fuel is really kerosene. it's a very thick, oily fuel. uh, you know, it's very greasy, but if you were to take a can of kerosene, for example, and throw a match in it, it wouldn't ignite. what ignites are the fumes. the way this plane hit, there could have been nothing else but the explosion. once that. once that fuel, or i should say, once that airplane hit the ground. >> stay with us. i want to keep picking your brain on this really important evening and understand what might have transpired. i want to bring in my studio guests who are sitting beside me to help. help try to make some sense or context what we're seeing. cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo, who is a former inspector general for the department of transportation, also here, former faa

administrator billy nolan. frankly, i can't believe we're here again in the sense of just within 24 hours, 48 hours, yet another crash here in the united states of america. and we're learning more about this particular flight. mary, when you see just the images that have already come in, the fact that it's a medevac flight, the fact that it was on its way to branson and eventually we're learning this evening to tijuana, this explosion, what are you seeing? >> well, two things really stood out to me. one is i went back and i looked on flight radar, and this plane really as as the previous pilot explained, really was a workhorse. this this plane had been making 2 to 3 flights a day. it was scheduled for 2 to 3 flights a day and fairly long haul flights, you know, 1500 miles or so per flight. and, you know, that's a lot of i won't say wear and tear, but that's a lot of flight hours on the plane. that's good and bad. the good part of that is, you know, obviously it was a plane that's

not first flight out of maintenance. you always wonder when something happens. oh, did it just have maintenance? and what did they do to the plane. wasn't that at all? this plane had done a lot of flights. >> since maintenance. >> no, i mean, there wasn't i didn't see on flight radar that it had been in maintenance. what we often worry about is if it has just come out of maintenance and then it has an accident on its first flight. and i've seen that in many, many accidents that i've worked on. and of course, the other thing that struck me was the fall of that aircraft. um, you know, i've, you know, worked a lot of accidents and the fall to the earth like that is dramatic. and that is unusual. for example, if your engines quit, you look for a place to to set it down. you really don't usually fall from the sky like that. um, if it was a control problem, often there is time to, you know, radio to get off a mayday call or at least ask for some emergency vectors. and the only two cases

that i've worked on that i can recall right now where it fell from the sky like that one, was a load shift. it was a big plane, and shortly after, after lift off the heavy load in the back of the plane shifted. but he said that the gurney, if there was a gurney, the patient apparently had recovered, but they were secured in the same place. they're always on the flight. the other one that, and this has been a while. i worked on that. one, was a fuel issue. they had fueled the plane with improper fuel, and when it took off it didn't get. but, you know, a thousand 2000ft above the ground and then just fell and and that neither of those seem to fit here because it was working out of the airports that it usually worked in. it had top maintenance. and that fall is dramatic and unusual. >> i really want to hear your opinion, billy. i want to bring you in. i want to take a quick break, but i want to i'm eager to hear how you have

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neighborhood. >> reporter. >> allahu akbar, allahu akbar. what the hell? what the hell? what the hell? oh my god! oh, my god! la la la la there's a plane, bro. that's a plane! i caught that on camera. yo. >> i know. >> what the. what the hell? yo oh my god. look. >> it just sends chills down your spine to hear that. that fireball spreading to homes, it spread to vehicles. and within the last few moments, the operator of the plane confirmed that a mother and her daughter were among the six people on board. they had been in

philadelphia for a medical procedure for the daughter, and the plane's final destination was tijuana, mexico. and we've also just learned in the last few moments that at least six people were taken to a hospital. three of them have been released. three are still in the hospital in fair condition. we're unsure if there are other injuries this evening. i want to bring in gustavo and sam chavez. they actually witnessed the plane coming down in philadelphia. it's unbelievable to think about what has happened. i mean, gustavo, sam, can you just describe what you saw and what was going through your mind? did you even register what was happening? >> not at all. we were home like a normal, like night. you know, we giving a bath to our daughter, and all of a sudden. felt this meant, like shaking and our whole house. and i opened the window and i just saw

it. and, like, at first, we didn't register what it was like. we were like, oh, something blew up and we didn't know what was going on. and we started kind of freaking out. and then. >> when i ran outside. and, and i grabbed my phone to, to record. i started doing a live. and i really got super close to the fire. >> to also see if anybody. >> needs to see if anybody needed help or. >> you tried to run to that location. >> i'm sorry. >> you tried to go to that location to help somebody. oh my goodness. >> yeah. because we live we live like. >> right there. >> like. probably ten, ten houses down. yeah. and one. >> of our friends. living on the corner. so we kind of, like, freaked out. we were like, is she okay? >> and i ran there. and i started doing like. like i said. and there were. dead dead bodies on the floor. i was like, what

happened? at first i thought it was a gas tanker. like just driving and somebody hit. but later when i found out and saw that it was an airplane. >> it didn't register in our minds. it didn't it. >> right now that. >> like, we're seeing the images right now and, like, recap everything that we actually saw and it's like it's. and there's no words to say what we feel. >> what did you can i want to ask, what did you what did you specifically see when you went outside. did you see a part of the plane? did you see cars or homes damaged? what were you seeing? >> so what i saw, i saw a bunch of parts scattered through my street. yeah. >> and like, parts of the plane. >> of the plane. and. and i saw also a i believe was like a part of the tank of the gasoline or.

>> or something of the plane. it's like it was like this piece that was. >> it was pretty. >> big, like the breeze, you know, all over and, like, just smoke. smoke and fire. one of the houses was catching on fire as well. and they were trying to evacuate. people like to everybody be safe. >> and i it's crazy because my parents were coming to to our house on that road to get raising cane's for us. and raising cane's is right next to where it happened. if he was late for five minutes, if he was there in five minutes, he. >> he would have been in the. >> he would have been there and probably be. >> waiting. tell me, tell me. can you describe that street? can you. i'm sorry. there's a little bit of a delay. i don't want to talk over you. i'm so sorry that i just did. but can you describe that street? i know raising cane's obviously a fast food restaurant that is on that

is normally at major intersections. can you describe how busy this road is and about how many houses are around it? >> you know, this road is busy day and night is. >> it's always. and then the the main street is like this. and then there's multiple row homes going towards like that side. and our home is like pretty much in front of what happened. like the role of our house is like pretty much where it was the accident. and like. that street is never quiet. never. you will never see that street with no cars. it's always it's it's literally like getting out of roosevelt. a lot of people like it's an intersection that is very busy. >> do you feel safe in your home tonight? i mean, this must be just surreal. >> like tonight. like tonight. we're not. we're not even at home. we're at my parents house. we came here because we

don't feel safe, and. >> we have a baby. >> and we have a baby, and we just want to, like, wait until stuff comes down. they find out what happened. if it wasn't a terrorist attack or something of that nature, we don't know. so we want to play it safe. stay at my parents house that lives like ten minutes away, and i feel bad for the people. unfortunately, who passed away. >> yeah. that and their families. >> and their families. because it's it's sad. the bodies that i saw laying down there, it was. yeah. >> i'm so sorry that you had to that you saw that i and i hate to even ask the question the the bodies that you believe you saw, were they people who were in the neighborhood? they were in cars. they were in buildings. where did you. >> believe were.

>> there were probably walking. driving or. >> you couldn't tell. you couldn't tell because. >> it was all scattered. like it really didn't make sense where they were coming from. >> like there was a piece here, there was a piece there, and it was people who saw it. it's terrifying. >> it's like engraved in the mind. >> it's it will stay there forever. >> yeah. >> i'm so sorry that this has happened. and. gustavo. sam, i'm glad that your baby is okay and that you are in a safe space. and we appreciate you bearing witness to what has happened tonight. thank you. >> thank you guys. >> have a good night. >> back with me, billy nolan, maria mary schiavo. excuse me. seeing bodies on the ground. they've described, um, unspeakable. they described it as being engraved in their minds as well. the timing of this, billy, this was 40s into

takeoff. they had not even reached, what, 1600 feet? just give a reference point for people. you've got the sears tower, about 1700 feet. the empire state building, about 1400. it's not even at a level where people would clear those buildings. what does this indicate to you? >> well, when i think about it, having been a training captain in a past life, during my airline career, um, takeoff is one of the most critical phases of flight, right? and so it's one that pilots are trained to handle. uh, you know, it would be. i wouldn't want to speculate in this particular case. right. so we will see once the ntsb arrives, along with the faa and others, uh, to be able to get the flight data recorder and we'll get a good sense of what actually happened. did they lose power? um, this is indicative to me of a loss of control and what we call loss of control in flight, especially, you know, almost immediately after takeoff. in this case, you

know, you've reached an altitude of 1600 of 1600ft. if suddenly you've completely lost power, the ability, you know, you don't have many options. and obviously, as we see here. so i don't want to minimize the, you know, the horrific nature of this. but if i sort of think about it, it really does kind of you're into that loss of control. and then so the question remains, what led to that? what caused it? uh. >> what do you mean you don't have that many options? because the angle you were describing the center of gravity is, is, is compromised. so you don't have a lot of maneuverability to correct whatever might be happening. >> to the extent that you suddenly let's, let's say, for example, and this is speculation, say, for example, you suddenly lost power to both engines and you're at a, you're at a high, you know, angle of attack. what would you like to say? the angle relative to level flight. suddenly you lose power. you've got to get that nose down. you're losing. you no longer have thrust to keep you airborne. and so you've got to get the nose down to preserve. now, this airplane could glide,

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just after takeoff. we know now that at least six people were on board, and within the last few minutes, the mexican government confirming to cnn that everyone on board were mexican nationals. among those on the small jet, a mother and her daughter who were in philadelphia for a medical procedure. the plane was making a stop in missouri before heading to tijuana, mexico. at least six people on the ground were injured, but we have not heard of other injuries. i want to bring in former philadelphia police chief and cnn senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey. chief ramsey, thank you for being here. tell us about the area where this plane crashed. and i know you've reported that there were fatalities on the ground. what can you tell us? >> well. >> first of all, it's a very. busy area. >> cottman is a major thoroughfare in northeast philadelphia. this happened shortly. after 6:00. >> so rush.

>> hour was still taking place. >> you can tell from the dash cam video that you just showed that there's still quite a few cars in traffic. now, i've spoken to some people that are on the scene, and unfortunately they're telling me that there were some fatalities on the ground as well as injuries. there's a huge debris field that's there as well, with parts from the aircraft as well as, uh, unfortunately, some human remains. >> chief, how would you even begin to respond for law enforcement and first responders to that that large debris field, knowing the extent of this damage, what is the response look like and how did it work? >> well, the initial response obviously, is to, you know, get a handle on the fire. so the fire department arrived. i'm told it was about 100, 150 firefighters in total there fighting the blaze. it takes specialized equipment to put out a fire like that because it's

jet fuel that is burning and you can't put water on it. it's a foam that you use. then you had fire in several of the buildings. you have row row homes on one side of cottman, and then you have a shopping mall on the other. so you not only would have had vehicular traffic, you would have had a lot of pedestrian traffic out there as well. at the time the plane came down and i'm told it came down right in the middle of cottman avenue there. so the worst possible place for this to occur is in a heavily populated area. >> and at that time, with that, just trying to navigate that space. so would you need to have additional law enforcement from other jurisdictions for the scope of an event like this? >> well, the state police is assisting the rapid response team within philly pd, as well as district personnel responded traffic control, crowd control. once they get a handle on the

scene, they get it secured. then of course, at some point in time you have to begin going through it for evidence. um, but you have to secure the scene. but priority one is life, and you have to be able to try to save as many lives as possible. i'm told there were a lot of residents that were evacuated from the row houses. there. um, but unfortunately, you still had people that were critically injured. well, severely injured, as well as some that unfortunately, uh, were were killed as a result of this. >> we are at the beginning of understanding the extent of this tragedy. chief ramsey, thank you for your expertise. we'll continue to rely on you here. up next, an update on the other aviation disaster that we have been following that involving the collision between a black hawk helicopter and an american airlines jet near washington,

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heading toward reagan national airport, and it flies right into it. debris from both aircraft plunging into the river. now, this is the second new video. it's shot from within the airport. the black is again approaching from the left, and they collide into a fireball. part of the plane spins off toward the left and into the river, while the blackhawk debris falls toward the right. cnn's danny freeman is at reagan national airport. danny, the black boxes, those are now in the hands of investigators. so what now? >> laura, that was really the biggest. >> headline out of the ntsb. press conference earlier this afternoon that all three black boxes have now been recovered. and like you noted, this is going to be absolutely crucial to understanding what may have led up to that crash. back on wednesday evening, we had already reported that the two black boxes from the passenger jet had been recovered. that's the flight cockpit recorder and also the flight data recorder.

the excuse me, the cockpit voice recorder. interestingly enough, one of those black boxes was filled with water. so the ntsb investigators, they said that they had to actually put it into a vacuum oven to get all of the moisture out. but as you noted, the ntsb is confident that they'll be able to get as much information as possible out of those two black boxes. but that key development today is that the blackhawk helicopter also had a black box, and it had no exterior damage to it. when the ntsb found it literally. laura. these black boxes can help even create an animation that so many data points there are of exactly what happened right before that crash. that's so important, especially with the blackhawk. laura, because there's been a lot of questions over the past 24 to 48 hours about the flight path of that black hawk helicopter, especially because cnn learned from a flight tracking company, flight radar 24. the blackhawk helicopter was flying. it appeared to be flying about 100ft over the maximum altitude that it should have

been flying around reagan and around the potomac river. so all of this is going to be crucial to this investigation. laura. >> danny freeman, so important to try to unpack what's going on here. thank you for that information. we've got a lot to unpack on what happened in those moments before the fatal crash right here in washington, d.c. i want to bring in former army blackhawk helicopter pilot elizabeth mccormick elizabeth. i want to begin with these frankly stunning videos that have been obtained by cnn that show two new angles of this collision. this video shows the helicopter flying at rapid speed over the potomac river, as the american airlines flight is seen flying, of course, toward the airport. then that collision happens. and then in another surveillance video that was shot from the airport grounds, it shows the plane's descent as the blackhawk continues to fly over the river, and they continue to fly toward one another, but at a low altitude. tell me what your critical eye is seeing.

>> well. >> the biggest thing is they should have seen each other, right? or at least. well, let me clarify. the blackhawk should have seen the jet, so. which makes me wonder, because they had already thought they were deconflicted, that they had that mean. so air traffic control, when they asked, do you have visual on the crash? previously? and they told them to go behind? i still think they were looking at the other aircraft, the one that had just taken off. >> so the de-conflicted, meaning they may have said they saw a plane, but not the specific one, obviously, that they collided with. how about the flight paths themselves? i mean, the flight tracking data. elizabeth confirming the helicopter was flying too high. apparently it even veered off the authorized path. and you say perhaps all the all the ground clutter, or maybe the ambient light from the night vision goggles may, if they were wearing them, may have confused the crew. is that it?

>> absolutely. there is so much ground clutter there between the and the reflections off the river. they're supposed to be over the river and very easily could have veered off. what i suspect. and i'm. i'm not the right word. thrilled, right? i'm happy that we've got a recorder, because not all, not all helicopters have the data. the combined data recorder does the voice and the data. most of them just have the data. so i'm thrilled that we are going to get some answers because the, you know, answers for the investigation, answers for the safety will be able to know what what happened. and that's my biggest question, what happened in those last 10s before that incident? did they see it? they didn't make any evasive maneuvers, were they? did they know they were 100ft high? was it an altimeter error where it wasn't calibrated or set correctly for that? that's what the gauge that tells you how high you are off the ground. like what? what happened in those last moments. and that's really the biggest question that

everyone has. >> and with that communication, normally be with all three of the passengers who were on the black hawk, or would they be primarily from one person? would we be hearing the voices of all? perhaps. >> oh, black hawks are noisy. you're going to hear both pilots constantly. there's no such thing as a quiet pilot. we're going to. you're going to hear them constantly talking back and forth, you know. did you see that check? clear right. clear left. you're going to hear a lot of communication back and forth. this was also a training flight with an instructor pilot. so you're also going to hear some. and what i suspect is they might have gone inside thinking that everything was clear on the outside. they might have come into the into the aircraft and had a conversation about something in a training mode in that moment. >> and really quickly. i know we are focusing a lot on what visual. many people would assume

that aircrafts are used by instrument flight reading as well, not just the visual for helicopters or a black hawk in particular. they would not have been relying on instruments to identify on their own radar more than one aircraft or even an aircraft. >> no, there is not. we don't have radar. at least we didn't use. you know, as far as i know, there's not like an avoidance. well, they do have one, but they're usually down low. it's not turned on because it's going to pick up a tree. it's going to pick up, you know, whatever is in the area. so in this case the visual when you're flying visual you are responsible for visual clearance, period. and that is with the crew chiefs in the back checking. in this case, there was only one as well as the two pilots to make sure they had that clearance. air traffic control can deconflict and in this case point out traffic because they see them on their scope, they see the heading, they see the direction. so they can deconflict and you know, we know what's happening, happening

there where they, they there was a miscommunication. >> elizabeth mccormick thank you so much. next. more on the breaking news out of philadelphia. now a medevac twin engine jet crashing into a busy street and leaving a field of fire and debris in its wake. back in a moment. >> super man, the christopher reeve story sunday at eight on cnn. >> incredible that after so many years, people get accustomed to war and they start losing the power of feeling compassion, even we need to be able to address the root causes that lead to the fact that to be populist is so simple in today's world, it is. >> a. >> responsibility of the international community. >> to act. >> as one.

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