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>> this is cnn breaking news. >> and welcome to all of you watching us here in the united states, canada and all around the world. i'm kim brunhuber. we're following two breaking news stories at this hour. a hostage release in gaza and the aftermath of a plane crash in philadelphia. >> allahu akbar. >> a medevac plane turned into a fireball after crashing near a busy shopping mall several hours ago. the plane had six people on board, and their fate is still unclear. the city's mayor says she has no reports on the number of casualties yet the plane's operator only says it can't confirm any survivors. some eyewitnesses were horrified by what they saw. listen to. >> this. >> i was in shock. i'm still in shock. like this is insane. why

can this. and before that, to be honest, in my mind, i thought, like, what if the rocket would like. because i'm from ukraine, right? and there's war. there's always rockets coming in and stuff like that. and then i see, like, things flying, like, no way. the war started again, you know. and you say you never know. >> we didn't know what it was. i just saw blinking lights. i thought it was like something for the plane landing. but then i just got home and i saw it, and i was like, dang, i just witnessed it. it was like. it was pretty scary. >> the plane went down shortly after takeoff from northeast philadelphia, and it crashed across the street from the busy roosevelt shopping mall. the plane's operator says it's all extremely unusual. >> it's highly unusual. >> for a plane. >> to take off, right? >> to take. >> off and. >> crash right.

>> away. >> we simply. >> don't know. >> we will. >> have to wait patiently. >> for this. >> accident scene to be cleared for the ntsb to step in. we will cooperate fully with the authorities. anything they need will make available. this aircraft had an excellent maintenance record. it's a very reliable airplane that's been used before. >> the plane's operator says the aircraft was flying in excellent condition, with experienced crew in the cockpit. jason carroll has more from the scene. >> well, you can see the area here is still cordoned off. there are emergency vehicles right down here. this is cottman avenue and roosevelt boulevard. the impact of the crash, several blocks in that direction. this is a community in northeast philadelphia that is simply in shock. when you look around and you see where this happened. this is a business district, the roosevelt mall here is in the area. a number of businesses, a number of residents as well. a number of row houses. this is an accident that happened just

about after 6:00. this is rush hour. and so you had any number of people in the area who were out and about who saw what happened. eyewitnesses say they saw a fireball upon impact. some people saying that the sky simply lit up. not only did people see it, but they felt it as well. some eyewitnesses saying that their windows were rattling. they went outside to see what was going on and saw the fires that had erupted on the ground. philadelphia's mayor says at this point, she could not confirm how many fatalities there are. there are. we can tell you that some eyewitnesses say that they did see some victims who were here on the ground. we can tell you that on board that learjet 55 that meta medevac jet aircraft were six people on board, four crew members, two passengers, a young girl and her mother. the young girl was here in philadelphia receiving medical treatment. she had been cleared to fly. the

aircraft was en route to missouri, where it was going to refuel, and then head on to mexico. all on board, we are told, are mexican nationals. now, when this aircraft crashed here in northeast philadelphia, the mayor says that a number of buildings, a number of vehicles were impacted. more than 100 philadelphia firefighters responded to the scene doing what they could to get those fires out just as quickly as they can. at this hour, a number of agencies here at the scene, including the ntsb, the faa doing the early stages of their investigation. already we're hearing from officials that because the crash scene is such a wide area, they're telling people who live here in the area if they see any debris, any parts of the plane, not to touch it, to immediately call 911 so folks can get out there and do the process of beginning to retrieve pieces of the wreckage.

at this point, once again, the early stages of this investigation to try and sort out exactly what went wrong here. jason carroll, cnn, philadelphia. >> i want to bring in jeffrey thomas, who's an aviation analyst, and he joins me now from perth, australia. good to see you again. so listen, we've shown several angles of video from this crash. certainly the speed and the angle of descent of this plane are really notable here. what strikes you when you see the videos? >> look very dramatic and very terrifying. my immediate reaction, kim, i immediately think catastrophic failure of some kind, a control issue, maybe of some kind. why? of course, we just simply don't know. um, the lear aircraft is a great airplane. it's been around for for a long time, but continually updated, well

maintained, if it's well maintained, it's a great airplane. there's over 2000 of this particular type of aircraft flying around the world they're they're supported by bombardier, who bought the company in 1990. um, they have an extensive number of support centers around the world, including in the united states. so, yeah, it's very well made. it's very well supported by bombardier. if it's looked after and maintained properly, uh, it's a great airplane. and this one was 43 years old. but that doesn't really mean a lot as long as it's looked after. >> yeah. so we don't know the cause, obviously. but one thing that i've been hearing from some experts, when they looked at the footage and when you consider the the plane that we're talking about here, a term i heard a couple of times was weight balance stall. is that something that you've you've heard of before that that could

be a contributory contributory factor here? >> uh, certainly. if the aircraft is not in trim. um, and that's weight and balance. so it's got to be it's got to be as, as you suggest. um, uh, weight and balance has to be right for the trim to be right. however, i would have thought if the aircraft was out of balance, having done this sort of work myself many, many years ago, then the problem would have manifested itself earlier than it was in the air for, i think 2 or 3 minutes or something like that. it went about three miles, i think, on takeoff. it they would have had problems straight away if the aircraft was not trimmed properly. uh, and it's not an aircraft that carries cargo. it's got passengers who sit in the appropriate seats, six, four passengers, two crew. um, you know, that sort of issue

comes to play, you know, with a larger airplane, possibly, uh, with cargo loaded incorrectly instead of being put in the rear holds, it's put in the front hold. and when the pilot comes to try and take off, the aircraft is not rotating. it's not taking off because you've got too much weight in the nose. that's the sort of thing that typically happens. but of course it can happen with smaller aircraft, of course, but i would have thought i would have thought this would have happened a little earlier in the flight than this, uh, situation. >> mm. interesting. yeah. um, i'm looking at the footage there, and you see just how violent and how catastrophic that crash was in terms of trying to find answers here. how hard will it be, especially if there is no black box, because this type of plane isn't, isn't required to to carry one. >> look. indeed. so the ntsb, which i must say, they've been in the news a lot lately. they're one of the best crash

investigators in the world, no question about it. they're they're really good at what they do. they'll be looking at things like control. i think they'll be looking at things like control surfaces. uh, you know, there's there's various mechanics that go, uh, that make up the control surfaces, that give you the pitch up and down, uh, that that will be in the tail. so they'll be looking at those. they'll be looking for wear or damage. um, maybe something wasn't put back properly. those sorts of things, um, which would affect the control of the aircraft significantly. um, so they will comb the wreckage. and this is why sometimes these investigations can take 2 or 3 years, because they've got to go analyze every single part of this aircraft. and your earlier, um, commentator on the ground there was talking about, you know, whatever you do, don't touch anything. let the let the

investigation team or the police come and pick that piece up, because that little piece might be the vital missing clue that we need to solve this terrible tragedy. >> yeah, absolutely. certainly solving it will take time, as you say. geoffrey thomas really appreciate having you on again. >> pleasure all right. >> we'll bring you the latest. now on the breaking news in the middle east. hamas has released three hostages today as part of its cease fire agreement with israel. have a look at this. you can see all three released there in those separate squares in the video. the three men were taken during the october 7th attacks and held until today. the latest release was just a short time ago, when israeli-american keith siegel was handed over to the red cross. the israeli military says he's now back in israel. we'll have a look. this was the reaction in tel aviv's hostage square. we'll bring you that video in a second. there you're seeing keith siegel. there we have it. people applauding as seagull was released. and

meanwhile, relatives of one of the other hostages released today, ofer kalderon celebrated his release. there were also celebrations near ofer prison. now we'll show you this. the scene moments ago, when israel began releasing 183 palestinian prisoners as part of the deal. all right. i'm joined now by cnn correspondent jomana karadsheh from amman, jordan. another joyous day for for three families here in this case. jomana. >> absolutely. a moment these families have been waiting for him for a very long time, as we have seen over the past few hours. these two separate releases taking place. initially you saw in khan yunis in the south of gaza, the release of ofer kalderon and yarden bibas, the father of the youngest

israeli hostages. both were handed over there to the red cross before being handed over by the icrc to the israeli military and then transported back to israeli soil. they returned home, reunited with their families. they have been undergoing medical checks there as well, and then following that, we saw the release of american, israeli hostage keith siegel in a gaza port in gaza city. um, and as you saw in those images, he did look pale. he did look weak. he did look frail. and finally, we are hearing, of course, that he has been he has returned home to family members who have been anxiously awaiting this moment. after 484 days in captivity for

these hostages. of course, the way that this all happened today was so important, kim, because israeli officials made it clear that they did not want to see the sort of release that took place of the other hostages on thursday, though. their hostages, including the young israeli woman arbel yehoud, who were forced to walk through those large, unruly crowds escorted by militants. you know, we saw the terrified looks on their faces as they had to go through that, and it was a scene that really shocked and enraged so many in israel. and the government said they did not want to see that happen. they held up and delayed the release on that day of palestinian prisoners awaiting assurances from the mediators from qatar and egypt that that would not

happen again. and that's when they received those assurances and released the palestinian prisoners. but another term that was made, another condition we heard yesterday in a warning coming from israeli officials that they would not open the rafah border crossing as planned today if they saw a repeat of those scenes. and as we saw the handover, the release of the hostages appeared to be these very brief moments, these brief. um, events that took place today. far more organized, less crowds. and you saw this heavy presence of hamas militants at both sites where these releases took place. and as a result of that, right now we are beginning to see the release of palestinian prisoners from ofer prison in the west bank. they

are being handed over to the red cross. in the last few moments, we have begun seeing these images of these prisoners being greeted by crowds of family members, very emotional scenes. we are expecting the release of 183 prisoners today, and kim, keeping in mind that, um, several of them i 12 of 18 of those prisoners are serving life sentences and 54 others have are serving long sentences and they are considered dangerous. they are considered terrorists by israelis. um, and so we are seeing these moments, these this release that is taking place, um, right now, we understand that more than 100 of those prisoners were detained and arrested in gaza after october 7th, they will be released into gaza. 40 prisoners released to

the west bank. but another key moment, of course, is the medical evacuations of palestinians that is set to begin today with injured and sick patients who will be allowed to cross into egypt from the rafah border crossing to be able to travel abroad, to be able to receive the medical treatment that they so desperately need. we understand that today there are 50 patients there already on busses, there already waiting to cross the rafah crossing and keeping in mind we have not seen an evacuation through that lifeline. really for these patients, that rafah crossing since its closure by israeli forces in may of 2024, there are 12 to 14,000 people in gaza, according to the united nations, who need life saving treatment

abroad. so this is a very significant moment, a very important moment as well for those who are in real urgent needs of medical treatment. >> yeah, absolutely. so vital for so many people. jomana karadsheh, thank you so much. all right. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, we'll have the latest. on the other breaking news, we've been following the crash of a medevac jet into a philadelphia neighborhood. plus, we're also following developments in the deadly mid-air collision over washington, d.c. authorities have recovered all the black boxes involved as they try to determine what caused the deadliest aviation disaster in decades. we'll have the latest on that investigation next, and more on the three hostages released today in gaza. stay with cnn for the latest on this breaking story. >> okay, everyone, our mission. >> is. >> to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength. >> and energy. >> ensure with 27.

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earth at the speed of 11,000ft per minute. organizers of the flight say survivors can't be confirmed, and so far, no word on fatalities on the ground. the local hospital tells cnn that it treated six patients, and three have already been discharged. and we're going to play you. air traffic control audio of the moment when the controller realized the plane had disappeared. listen to this. >> medevac med service 056. contact philly. departure 123.8123.8 maggie hassan 056. medevac. thank you. good day. medevac med service 056 northeast tower. contact philly 123.8. medevac med service. northeast tower. medevac med service 056. northeast tower. you on frequency approach to runway two four. what's going on down there? at 755? we have a lost aircraft. we're not exactly

sure what happened, so we're trying to figure it out for now. >> a ring camera video caught the massive explosion in the fireball. when the plane hit the ground. now that jet crash in philadelphia comes just days after another deadly aviation disaster. the mid-air collision above washington, dc. investigators have been interviewing air traffic control personnel there. listen, this. >> we will go back and look at any air traffic controller that was involved in this. we'll go back and look at their past, probably 72 hours, even 2 or 3 weeks. we'll look at their training, their hiring, everything. what they probably ate that day, what job functions they were doing, were they being confined controller that was working at the time has been interviewed and his interviews are ongoing throughout the day. >> the national transportation safety board says barges will assist in the salvage operation. authorities have recovered the so-called black box from the military helicopter that

collided with the passenger plane on wednesday night. 67 people died in the disaster. initial flight tracking data appears to show the black hawk helicopter flying about 100ft above its allowed altitude and veering off the prescribed route. investigators now have all the black boxes of both aircraft involved. the passenger plane's cockpit voice recorder was found to have water intrusion, which federal officials say isn't uncommon. more now on today's hostage release in gaza and the cease fire agreement between israel and hamas. hamas released three hostages today as part of the agreement. you can see them there in the video. israel is also releasing 183 palestinian prisoners today. all right. i want to bring in julie norman, who is an associate professor at university college london. she joins us live now. thank you so much for being here with us again. so the fourth hostage release now, next week, hamas and israel are meant to begin

negotiating a second phase of the ceasefire, which calls for releasing the remaining hostages and extending the truce indefinitely. does it give you any more hope that things can progress through to a second phase, which is which is, of course, when things get really tricky? >> well, kim, i think it's very encouraging that. >> the. >> first phase. >> is still. >> moving along as. >> it is up to this point. obviously, it hasn't been seamless and without complications, but we are seeing the hostage releases happening mostly as planned and also the release of palestinian prisoners getting from this phase one to phase two has always been known to be the trickiest part of this deal. phase two is when we are expected to see a permanent end to the war, a full withdrawal of israeli forces, and that has always been something that has been very difficult to get both parties to agree to and to really figure out the details around that. so we are expecting those talks to begin this week, but i think we can expect that

those will be some some difficult negotiations going forward. and there will be a lot of pressure, i would say, on netanyahu from different parties with how he approaches this deal, in particular. >> yeah, absolutely. we did see that hamas responded to calls to change the way that they were handing over prisoners, not to repeat those chaotic scenes that we saw thursday. talk to me about the role of the negotiators and the other countries in the region which are which are playing a part here. >> sure. so there's a lot of actors involved in these negotiations. hamas and israel don't really negotiate directly, so they rely on mediators, especially qatar. so a lot of these talks are happening in doha, as well as egypt. and of course, the united states as a very important broker at the moment. and so we have all these parties involved. and i would also note in gaza, hamas is obviously the main actor. many hostages, though, have been held by other groups as well. so those chaotic scenes included hostages who had been

held by islamic jihad. and i think that was one reason why why that release looked a bit different than some of the others that we've seen. because even in gaza, there's a lot of different parties operating. >> yeah, absolutely. and you mentioned the u.s., of course, is a key player in this next week, netanyahu is expected to meet with with trump. so how much pressure do you think president trump will exert on the prime minister to to actually end the war? >> yeah. you know, kim, the meeting this week is going to be very telling. it was very important, i would say, that trump and trump's middle east envoy really did put the pressure on israel to agree to this initial phase one, and everything that we are hearing is saying that trump is really going to lean into getting phase two happening as well. he does seem to want this. this is everything that we're hearing, you know, which which may be surprising to some people. i will say that it's probably going to put netanyahu in a very difficult position between opting for what trump wants to see happening and what many in

israel, especially the more right wing ministers and many in the security sector, want to see happen. and so if netanyahu agrees to it, there's going to be some real need to be some real incentives for him. and some of those might affect other parts of the region, such as the west bank. so a lot that i feel is going to be in these discussions, and it's going to be very interesting to see how trump, as well as netanyahu, play it going forward. >> i'm curious, in the last part of what you said, what other parts of the region would be impacted? how would the west bank be be brought into this specifically, if you're talking about an agreement between trump and netanyahu? >> yeah. i think this is a really interesting point, because if israel does agree to withdraw from gaza, many of us are keeping our eyes on what is happening in the west bank, where i assume and many assume, that israel will be looking to further impress its control there. so that could include, through the expansion of settlements, possibly through annexing certain parts of the

west bank, or simply increasing the military control in that part of the palestinian territory. so my guess is that is where we would see that trade off. that's where we would see that incentive for the more right wing parts of the israeli government. and so i would say that's where a lot of us analysts are watching right now. and things have been developing there since october 7th, and even more since the ceasefire started. >> all right. we'll have to leave it there. appreciate getting your analysis. julie norman live in london. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> medevac jet plane plunges to the ground, causing a massive explosion in philadelphia. still ahead, witnesses describe the blast and a scramble to get to safety after the jet turned into a fireball. plus, we're tracking the three hostages hamas released today in gaza. stay with us for updates. we'll bring them to you here on cnn newsroom i lay on my back, frozen, thinking the darkest thoughts, and then everything changed.

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>> again.( 800) 858-2816. >> welcome back to all of you watching us here in the united states, canada and around the world. i'm kim brunhuber. this is cnn newsroom. let me give you an update on the plane crash in philadelphia. it happened several hours ago, leading to a massive fireball that rattled an area on the city's northeast side. officials say a medevac plane with six people on board went down near a busy shopping mall. philadelphia's mayor says she has no reports on the number of fatalities. a local hospital says six people were treated after the crash, but it's not clear where and how they were injured. everyone on board is a mexican national, including a young girl heading home after medical treatment along with her mother. earlier, one witness described the fiery crash to cnn. >> i heard a boom and the whole

car just shook. and i was able to see things in front of me shake two cars, buildings, and i look back because my kids was just screaming super duper loud. and so when i looked back, i just seen a big flame. and so when i seen the flame, the first thing i did was jump out the car. and as i'm running up towards it, i pull out my camera. i'm just thinking. i'm like, i hope it ain't a bomb or i hope we ain't getting hit. i don't know what's going on in the world right now. and next thing you know, you can see the plane fragments, you can smell the gas. >> the area around the crash site is busy and densely populated. shopping malls nearby and streets lined with row houses. the explosion set homes and vehicles on fire. and this is how first responders alerted the situation. >> more. >> location a two story. >> ended around. 16 by 45. >> explosion got heavy fire in the dwelling. i got fire spread

out across the street. multiple vehicles. i'll give you a further report on all companies. proceed and get service. >> ed kelly, president of the international association of fire fighters, spoke to cnn earlier about the massive response from emergency crews and the challenges they faced. and here's what he told my colleague kaitlan collins the philadelphia firefighters actually struck three alarms for this, which brings about 150 firefighters. >> they also declared it a mass casualty incident, which brings about ten ambulances and the paramedics that that we also represent in philadelphia. when you have these jet crashes, any fire doubles in size in every minute. when you add an accelerant, it obviously accelerates the fire with jet fuel. it's a particularly hazardous flame flammability to it. so we had multiple row houses burning in philadelphia. i've been talking to the firefighters on the ground

there. they did affect rescues when they got there. so some of the people that were trapped in those buildings were saved tonight by the philadelphia firefighters. we had one philadelphia firefighter that was injured, and it's an unfolding scene. anytime you have those jet fuel incidents, you also need special types of firefighting foams to actually try to contain it as well. >> yeah. >> and what does that. >> how readily available. >> does a city fire department have that. >> because obviously. >> you know, this was a. >> plane that was. >> taking a trip that. >> was. >> 100 miles based on what we were told. >> from philly. >> to branson, missouri. >> and obviously. >> there's a lot of fuel on. >> that plane. >> is this something that every fire department has typically, what does that look like? >> well, all airport fire departments, which philadelphia is in charge of the philadelphia fire department protects the airport that particular airfield where that plane took off from. i'm not sure if they're affiliated with the philadelphia airport. um, but those are airport crash rescue crews

always have a capacity foam on hand for jet fuel fires in the field. and city fire departments. some engine companies are designated as foam companies that bring that capacity with them to certain incidents. uh, the philadelphia fire department in particular. i'm not 100% sure exactly how they structure their foam response, but, um, i know that tonight they they they did a tremendous job trying to contain that fire from burning the whole block down. >> what does that look like when they get on the scene immediately? in terms of if a house is on fire, but there's jet fuel everywhere, what what do they do first in that situation? >> well, oftentimes when, you know, when these jets crash into crowded neighborhoods, which happens from time to time, the first two apparatus don't always understand that it was a plane crash. a lot of times it just it looks like a massive explosion. usually have fire rapidly spreading to multiple buildings cause usually burning, which was the case here in philadelphia tonight. you saw that in some of the video. um, so the first

objective is to save lives. so the first companies in are going to be looking at those buildings and seeing what is searchable in the buildings where they have, uh, fire that has not extended, say, into that second floor that you just showed they're going to go in and try to search, that they're going to get lines in place, hose lines in place to try to cut off that fire. um, it requires a lot of personnel. as soon as you can get them to try to contain that fire. and philadelphia is a very aggressive fire department. and, uh, tonight, you know, they were they were able to get, as i said, three alarms, about 150 firefighters on scene in rapid response and were able to contain that fire before it burned the whole block down. >> meanwhile, in washington, authorities have recovered a combined voice and flight data recorder from the u.s. army blackhawk helicopter involved in wednesday's deadly collision with an american airlines regional jet. investigators have also begun interviewing air traffic control personnel. the federal aviation administration has indefinitely shut down the low altitude helicopter corridor that was in use at the time of

the mid-air collision near reagan national airport. crews have recovered 41 bodies from the waters of the potomac river, but at least 14 people are still missing. officials are bringing in barges to help with removing the aircraft, hoping to find the remaining bodies. >> we think we. >> know where. >> they are. we won't know until we're done. i mean, we're going to continue this search operation, but we've searched a large portion of this river and we are right there. i believe that when we remove the aircraft that that will help us resolve this number. if it doesn't, we will continue to search. >> and the ntsb expects to issue a preliminary report in about 30 days. hamas has now released all three hostages scheduled to be freed today, and israel has started releasing more than 180 palestinian prisoners. cnn for the latest on this breaking story. plus more breaking news coverage of a plane crash in philadelphia. as investigators begin to look for clues about a

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royal united services institute for defense in london and the center for american progress in washington, dc. he joins us now from cairo. so i just want to get start to start off, your reaction to yet another release of not just israeli hostages, but also more palestinian prisoners as well. >> thank you, kim. >> for having. >> me on your show. so the the proposed ceasefire outline as the netanyahu's cabinet refers to, it includes a clause about prisoner exchange, um, and israel is supposed to release 1000 detainees from gaza, um, that were detained on the 8th of october, but explicitly not involved in the 7th of october attack on israel. um, uh, people should ask the question, why were they then detained for the past 15 months, especially if they had nothing to do with the 7th of october attack. but as

part of the agreement, there's supposed to be those releases of those prisoners. um, there have been a number of prisoners that have been released, and even before that, there was a young palestinian, uh, mohamed sabah. he is now 20 years old. he was actually detained by israel when he was 14. um, and has now been released. um, in the late not not the round today, but in the latest round beforehand. um, in very bad medical condition actually. so, um, i think it's important to keep in mind that there are prisoners that are being released that should never have been taken. um, there are people such as the thai prisoners, but also many of the israeli prisoners, many of the palestinian prisoners that should just really have never been a part of any of this. um, and it behooves us to keep in mind that these sorts of detainments by the occupying power or by a group like hamas,

are simply unacceptable. >> um, now, in egypt, where you are, they're getting ready to receive, uh, patients who are in gaza who are injured. and we just can't understate the the importance of the reopening of that rafah border crossing. >> no, it's incredibly important. um, and i think also we should keep in mind that gaza is, uh, is surrounded on all sides by, i think, about 8 or 9 border crossings. um, they've all been kept closed by the israelis, with the exception of rafah. um, at any point in the past 15 months, um, any of those crossings could have been opened by the israelis to allow for people to exit, uh, in gaza and be able to seek refuge or be able to receive medical

treatment. um, on the contrary, what is being called for is for egypt to simply allow for, uh, displaced palestinians to go one way. okay. as in and the chief of staff in israel made this very clear that rafah is now open. but for palestinians to leave, they will not be allowed to come back. um, so you've seen also over the last week or so, the suggestion from dc that egypt and jordan should take, um, you know, the vast majority of palestinians, um, from gaza, possibly temporarily, possibly permanently. um, so a call for ethnic cleansing by any other name. um, and i think this is very important as we, as we look into how gaza works out over the coming weeks, particularly with the negotiations over phase two. um, what is to become of the palestinians of gaza, um, when we don't even have a firm commitment that they ought to be allowed to return to their homes

and to their land? >> well, you mentioned phase two. so let's take stock of sort of where we are in the life cycle of this deal. um, you know, i've had experts on here who've told me they expect netanyahu to find a pretext to break the cease fire because he doesn't want to get there. other experts say that hamas can't afford to release all the hostages because that's their only leverage. i mean, where do you stand? do you do you expect us to to get to phase two and potentially beyond? >> so it's an open question, to be quite honest. um, so i think trump's envoy, witkoff, has really impressed upon the israelis that phase two, um, has to happen, that we have to get into phase two. um, and you saw many signals, actually, from netanyahu's government, from ministers that were in it. one left, of course. um, one stayed in, but they they were very,

very clear about the need to return to war by the end of phase one. right. um, and as a result, the commitment of israel not to return to war, um, has been very much in question. um, at the same time, um, i think what has really impressed upon netanyahu the need to have phase two take place because indeed of the of the return of the hostages. um, but phase two is an incredibly difficult phase for the israelis because it entails the complete withdrawal of israel from the gaza strip in terms of troops on the ground. but also, um, i think the the disappearance of quote, unquote, these buffer zones. okay, so the buffer zone that is, is inside gazan territory stretches across the entirety of the perimeter and reduces the territory of gaza by quite a significant

amount. um, and the, the ceasefire is supposed to ensure that they can that, that that should be gone. um, as well as, of course, complete withdrawal of the idf. and i find it very difficult to envisage a government in israel that would be able to carry that out without facing tremendous pressure from the far right and the right wing to the point of even collapsing. >> so we'll we'll certainly get more. >> serious position. >> yeah, we'll certainly get more signals perhaps next week as we watch that meeting between trump and netanyahu. we'll have to leave it there. but always appreciate your analysis here in cairo. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> so. >> much. well, two crashes on the u.s. east coast in just two days. still ahead, we'll have the latest details on the philadelphia and washington air disasters. stay with us. >> the thing about. >> work. >> it's always changing.

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