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minister benjamin netanyahu is on capitol hill. he's hailing trump's proposal to own and develop gaza as a, quote, remarkable idea. plus, kash patel nomination for fbi director, front and center in front of a key committee this hour. we are live on capitol hill with what the senators are saying. and we have a very special interview for you this morning. in moments, i have an exclusive interview with california governor gavin newsom. he just met with president trump about rebuilding after the devastating wildfires. and he's also been on capitol hill meeting with lawmakers. plus, i'll ask him about this moment right here. when they met on the tarmac in los angeles before touring the damage. again, he is here for an exclusive interview. ahead. so be sure to stick around for that. and we begin this hour with brand new cnn reporting a party in power and maybe in need

of unifying later this hour, speaker mike johnson will lead a group >> johnson, but also those who are really pushing for one a broader budget bell, of course, something that is of mind for leaders on capitol hill right now that includes jodey arrington and house ways and means chair jason smith. >> jodey arrington is the budget chair. all of them set to meet with the president at the white house today to really talk through the different options. now, i can tell you from my conversations with white house officials that this is also something that is preoccupying the mind of the president. he really wants congress to fall in

line behind him, to get behind him, to really pass all of the things that he said he had wanted to do, all the things he promised on the campaign trail. now, just to give you a little insight into how the hell is looking at this, you have the people in the house like house speaker mike johnson and arrington and smith, who want one broader what they're calling reconciliation bill to get down, to get done. a lot of the president's priorities, all the things from the border to taxes to energy. however, we've also seen people in the senate, senate republicans kind of grow impatient with waiting on the house. we have people like senator lindsey graham and majority leader john thune, all of them wanting to give donald trump an early win on some of those key priorities. they are pushing for two bills. the white house position right now and the president, he said he really just wants to do anything that will get his agenda passed. >> and i want to follow up with something else, an israeli political source tells cnn that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has gifted president

trump a golden pager. tell us more about the meaning behind that. >> right. and so this was a reporting from our colleague based in jerusalem, mick krever. he reported that israeli prime minister benjamin, as you mentioned, pamela gifted president donald trump while they met at the white house earlier this week, a golden pager, really kind of symbolizing the israeli attack back in september on lebanon that, you know, targeted pages used by hezbollah members. um, of course, that was a day that, you know, several people died in lebanon because of that attack. mick krever is reporting that that is something that bibi netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, gifted donald trump in return, we are told that trump gave netanyahu a signed photograph of the two of them. he also signed the photograph, quote, to bibi, a great leader. that was according to a photo that his son, netanyahu's son posted on instagram. but again, i mean, the golden pager. we know on september 17th,

thousands of explosions struck hezbollah through that. so a very interesting gift that he gave the president. pamela. >> yeah, it certainly is. all right. let's bring in evan perez. so president trump's department of justice on day one, pam bondi we should note she was just started yesterday, asked for the fbi to disband this team that combats foreign interference in our elections. right? >> right. yeah. and this is part of a number of of of orders that she signed in her first day, a very, very busy first day. and this is one of them that has to do with national security. now, look, i think, you know, disbanding this task force doesn't mean that the fbi is not going to be doing these investigations. but we do know that the new president, the new president has always been a little bit annoyed at this idea that foreign interference in the elections may have helped him in his 2016 election. it's an irritant in the in the trump relationship. so getting rid of this is probably one way to curry favor with the president. it doesn't mean, however, that

they're not going to be doing these types of investigations. if you notice other things, one of the things that bondi also put in place is a new october 7th task force. this is something actually inside the justice department. prosecutors have been asking for and wanting more resources on. so i think it's going to be welcome inside the fbi. >> and as we well know, we've been watching the president take some bold actions. there's going to be some hearings today, um, about some of those actions that have been challenged. right. walk us through that. >> well, one of the things that's going to happen today is, is a hearing on whether this effort to purge people at the fbi and the justice department, what the legality of this, whether the fbi needs to turn over these names and, and whether the justice department and the administration has to protect the identities of some of these agents who worked on january 6th investigations. that's been one of the big concerns. and look, the the administration already has been on this back foot. they've been losing on a lot of these early moves. they lost already. they

have a judge said it was unconstitutional for them to try to end birthright citizenship. they've also lost on this idea of freezing all government aid or spending, which, you know, is one of those indications of how things are going for the administration. some of these things have been done very poorly, and that's the reason why you see judges having to step in. so we'll see how this hearing goes today. on whether the the identities of these fbi agents needs to be more protected by the administration. >> all right. evan perez alayna treene, thank you so much. well, elon musk's doge takeover of the federal government is drastically ramping up. there's a new report from wired saying that the world's richest man is outsized, outsized role in the new administration is already raising some eyebrows. and the president's inner circle. so how long can this musk power play last? joining us now is katie drummond global editorial director at wired. hi, katie. thank you so much for joining the show. so you spoke with

aides and advisers in and around the administration. tell us more about what you have learned. >> thank you for having me. that's right. we spoke to about half a dozen people close to president trump. so these are people inside and around the administration, and they are frustrated. so they are unhappy about a handful of things, right? one being the amount of power that musk is now wielding across the federal government. the second is, you know, the headaches, quite frankly, that musk and doge are creating for the administration. and the third, and i think sort of the most notable here is really about how disorganized and chaotic they feel that this all is. there are members of the administration who have no idea what communication between doge and the white house is even supposed to look like. >> yeah. i mean, there's not a lot of transparency right now either about what is happening. i want to highlight part of this reporting, quote, a ride or die maga republican operative who knows president trump personally confided something, confided

something to wired. they never thought they'd find themselves saying before the past two weeks, quote, there could be a collision course coming here at some point, they said when asked if there is a brewing freakout over musk and trump world quote, he's getting too big for his britches. musk appears, at least publicly, to have the full backing of the president. but did anyone we spoke with have any insight on how the president himself feels about him right now? >> well, that is actually one of the big challenges for the individuals that we spoke to. as far as they can tell, the president remains very pleased with what musk is doing. very pleased to have musk on board and participating in this. you know, massive sort of series of changes that have gone on over the last few weeks. and, you know, these staffers and these operatives and these individuals close to the president aren't quite sure how to broach it with him. with trump himself. you know, that that they have concerns about musk's actions.

so this idea of a collision course is really around sort of, you know, at some point this is going to come to a head, you know, these individuals just aren't quite sure how to make that happen yet or when and how it will. >> everyone's kind of like, you know, on their tiptoes. they don't want to they don't want to to do anything, say anything that could get them in trouble. but it's just a matter of time. it sounds like from your reporting until that sort of collision happens. so it is also reporting this morning that there are questions around whether one of these doge staffers could even pass the background check usually required for access to sensitive government data. what more do we know about their past security clearances and how this hiring process works? >> well, there's there's still a lot that we don't know, actually, about how this hiring process has worked in terms of bringing individuals into doge to work at the behest of musk. right. that's certainly something that that journalists at wired and i'm sure elsewhere are trying to ascertain, you know, in terms of this one individual, this is a 19 year old who has been brought in to

doge and working on, you know, what we believe to be highly sensitive matters, according to every expert that we spoke to, this is somebody who shouldn't even be getting in the front door in terms of security clearance, given, you know, his, i would say very colorful background, you know, some involvement with, with russia, some involvement with china. um, you know, this is someone with a a very, um, peculiar online footprint going back several years now, despite the fact that he is only 19, which has, you know, really raised some alarm bells among experts that we spoke to. >> wow. katie drummond, thank you so much for all of your reporting to help us all better understand what is happening in our government right now. thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> still ahead. california governor gavin newsom joins me to discuss what working with president trump looks like now versus the last time he was in the white house. plus, a busy day on capitol hill. cnn's manu

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who indicated what he plans to do. democrats plan to do here, which is to delay this vote by a week in the senate judiciary committee. they have the power underneath the rules on this committee to delay it by a week. and that's precisely what he what he plans to do. senator lindsey graham, the chairman, the one of the top members of the committee walking into this room just now. so that will be delayed by a week. but we do ultimately expect him to get the votes to be approved by the committee sent to the floor of the united states senate. the republicans right now very confident that their members will be in line, get elected, forcing him ultimately to get the job maybe in a couple of weeks time. now, one of the big questions he's going to confront kash patel, assuming he is confirmed, is how to deal with these fbi agents who have been singled out because of their work on the january 6th investigation. we know the trump team has come out to try to find those specific people who've been working on those cases. the chairman of this committee, chuck grassley, told me that he wants to kash patel to explain to him exactly the roles of these of exactly more details about this effort to single out

those agents. >> only from this standpoint, that lower level people have to do what their boss says. so i think when patel gets approved, and i'm not going to do much until then, i'm going to try to get some delineation of those that make decisions versus those that don't. >> this is outrageous. i mean, these men and women were called on to investigate a serious problem, a serious incident in the united states capitol building. and now, simply because they did their jobs, they're being terminated. that's not fair. >> but first, kash patel has to get the votes to get the job. in the moment, no republicans have voiced any opposition to him, which means things are looking very good for him to get approved by the full senate. so expect in this meeting. that's about to start in the judiciary committee for democrats to delay it by one week, which means next thursday there will be a vote in the committee to send his

nomination to the floor. and at that point, republicans believe their party, their members, will stay in line. they can afford to lose three at most votes on any party line vote. three of those gop votes and zero at the moment, are suggesting that they would vote against him, which means that kash patel things are looking very promising to get the job in just a matter of weeks. >> all right. i also want to ask you about israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who is on the hill after trump's shocking proposal that the u.s. would own gaza. what are you hearing from lawmakers? >> a lot of questions and surprise. in fact, one of trump's top middle east envoys was on capitol hill just yesterday, meeting with senate republicans who had a flurry of questions about how exactly this would work. a lot of republicans think that this is either just a pie in the sky idea, something that will never come to pass, or something that simply they just could not get behind. especially the idea of potentially sending troops on the ground. the white house has said it is not committed to sending troops on the ground, but has not ruled out that idea, which has raised some questions among republicans

as well. how exactly do they go about a proposal that many believe is unworkable? the question is going to be if benjamin netanyahu discusses this at all in any length with some of the top members, he's meeting with senate majority leader john thune this hour. he's meeting with other members from both parties later this hour, and meets with the speaker of the house this afternoon. >> and we just are learning. manu, i'm just hearing that the patel vote has been delayed, as you sort of laid out in your initial live shot that that was a possibility. we're told that that has happened. thank you so much, manu raju. so let's discuss this more with cnn legal analyst and former counsel to assistant attorney general for national security, carrie cordero. hi, carrie. so what do you make of patel's chances of being confirmed to lead the fbi? and now we're just learning that the vote has been delayed. >> well, as manu was describing, at least publicly, it doesn't seem like there are republican senators, including some of the most influential, who sit on that senate judiciary committee, who are willing to break with

the president and oppose his nomination. but this delay is a step that enables both parties on the senate judiciary committee to take a pause, to reevaluate the record that mr. patel established when he did have his hearing publicly. and to take that into context with all of the events of the past several days at the fbi and between the fbi and the doj. so it does. i think it's an appropriate development that they delay this vote so that they can more carefully assess what's going on at the fbi and how a future fbi director of mr. patel would approach it. >> so patel promised in his senate hearing last week that agents wouldn't face political retribution for working on cases they were assigned, as we've been talking about. but how do these latest memos that handed over, that were handed over from the fbi to doj with the agent's information, those who worked on

the january 6th. investigation, um, you know, with the subject line termination, that was the initial request. termination? those names have been handed over thousands of names of fbi agents who worked on those cases. how does that square with kash patel promise here? >> right. it doesn't. and that's why i think they need to go back to him. and whether that turns out to be in private conversations that senators on that senate judiciary committee have with him over the course of the next week, or whether the senate decides to call him back for a second public hearing under oath, either would be helpful to the senators in trying to make a decision. as you mentioned, pamela, that memo said termination. and so when the fbi received that memo, they took that to mean, based on what it said, that the list that was being created was intended to create a list of people who would be fired. and it was not just directed. first of all, there are not political

appointees at the fbi other than the director. everybody else is career. and so it's supposed to be nonpartisan, nonpolitical, and non politically influenced staff. and so there is obviously a lot of fear amongst the fbi staff that based on cases, they were assigned to work with violations of federal law, including laws that involve violence against law enforcement officers, which is a stated priority in the new attorney general's memo to protect law enforcement officers. by the way, it's understandable that there is more for senate judiciary committee to dig into. >> carrie cordero, thank you so much. and coming up, it is the interview that hit cbs with a lawsuit. but the release of the full 60 minutes sit down with then vice president kamala harris. is it good enough for the fcc, even though it shows cbs was not involved in malicious altering of anything? why? the ongoing inquiry is

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one month on, the fires are fully contained, and now officials are focusing on the massive and grueling cleanup ahead. the economic damage is estimated to be tens of billions of dollars. yesterday, california governor gavin newsom met with president trump and held bipartisan meetings with lawmakers trying to secure disaster aid for his state's fire victims. governor newsom joins us now for an exclusive interview following his meeting with president trump yesterday. thank you so much for joining us. i know it's been a very busy trip for you here in washington. so you spoke to president trump for more than an hour. tell us about that meeting. how did it go? >> it was. >> a he was very gracious to accept the meeting in very short order. we extended an open hand. i've said this often. not a closed fist, and reestablished a partnership and a relationship to this fire, to the emergency that's still at hand as it relates to toxic materials that need to be cleaned up to debris removal to people. thousands and thousands of families whose

lives have been torn asunder. and so it was incredibly productive. >> did you get any commitments from him for aid? >> broad strokes, not specific commitments, but broad strokes. and i just all the confidence in the world that it's going to be a strong partnership moving forward. look, cameras have moved on and the devastation now is truly being absorbed. it's been it's remarkable, as you said, it's just been a month and people are just coming to grips with the trauma of their lives being completely destroyed. memories, memorabilia, generational homes. and so we're we're trying to do everything we can to distill a sense of well-being. and it's critical that the relationship between the president, united states, and the state of california remain strong and firm in our resolve to fix this. >> and we will continue to cover the wildfires and the aftermath and everything on this show. i can assure you of that. you have also been on the hill meeting with lawmakers, president trump and house speaker mike johnson suggested that conditions should be attached to any wildfire aid for california, with johnson claiming state and local leaders

were derelict in their duties. was that discussed during your meetings and where does that stand? if so, with getting aid in exchange for conditions being met? >> it wasn't discussed and i hope we can move beyond that. look, i understand foundational conditions. i think that exists with most things that congress does and the relationship between states, the state's relationships with cities. there's conditions attached. but some of the conditions that were being bandied about just seem to be, for me, a little bit of noise, a little bit political. at the end of the day, we're all in this together. the president was at a prayer breakfast this morning, and i remember father telling me we're many parts, but one body and one part suffers. we all suffer. this notion that we're all in this together. we're in there. take care of the folks in louisiana, in the speaker's district. we're here for the folks in north carolina. californians. that is georgia. people have been impacted by disasters and emergency. and the american spirit is to to lend a hand and provide that support. and i expect that will happen for california. >> as you know, the president trump has pressed for california

requiring voter i.d. and changing to to the water system. did that come up at your meeting with him? >> we talked about both. yeah. >> you talked about both. and did. >> you did you say you would ongoing conversation for over. i mean, i feel like i told the president when he was on the tarmac last week in los angeles, i said, we're picking up on the last conversation we had around water four and a half years prior. so i will say this. he's very focused on that issue. he's certainly targeted some of that in terms of some of the actions he took by executive. >> order, 2 billion gallons of. >> water. and and so we had and that's why it was an extended conversation. i didn't even know people knew how long the conversation was. but it was yeah, it was an extended conversation. and so it was spirited and look, and it's exactly spirited. >> how so? bring us into that. >> because we were just it was an engaging conversation. you know what? it was? it was two way conversation and that's what it should be. i mean, just different points of view, expressing a different understanding of the nuances on the ground, but an appreciation to get something done. >> did you tell him the 2 billion gallons of water didn't help with the wildfire recovery?

>> i think it's been well covered. okay. understood. but, you know, look, i kept going back. it wasn't about focusing on the disagreements. it was about focusing on what we have in common. and what we have in common is a desire to support the people of l.a., and also recognize that in 2028, we've got the olympics coming to southern california. we have an opportunity of a lifetime in the next three years to do something extraordinary. and i will say this, this is true and it's factual, and you got to call balls and strikes. lee zeldin is doing an amazing job. he's on the ground today in los angeles. they are moving the first phase of the debris removal at record pace. and i think it's that mindset that we brought to the meeting and the mindset that came out of that meeting. the president wants to do something that's never been done, and that is address this crisis with a degree of sophistication and focus to get the job done and get people's lives back. >> your relationship with trump certainly has been interesting over the years. it seems to have taken a more positive turn lately. i mean, he recently called you news.com. >> not just recently, not been doing that for years. >> did he say it in the oval office yesterday?

>> well, we had some fun with that. >> look. okay, okay, so tell us about this and how much of your positive turn i have to ask this because this is what people are wondering, has to do with the fact you need aid for your state. >> yeah, but it's not even that we had this relationship. i will say it's one of the more i'll leave it to more objective minds, but it's one of the more interesting relationships in politics because we had this relationship going back during covid. i mean, we were involved in 100 lawsuits going back and forth. i mean, you could look at the tweets back then calling me a clown, you know, i mean, the worst governor. and yet we were still working together and all that was a little bit of noise. so it just feels so familiar. and in that respect, i want to continue to respect the office of the presidency, to respect his authority, and to also engage in a constructive dialog when it comes to issues of emergencies. but again, we we had that foundation of a relationship for years during the covid crisis, and it was a great partnership then, interestingly. >> so it sounds like publicly you guys kind of trade barbs and then privately you can joke about it is what it. >> sounds like, you know, and

it's a joke and it's not it's frustrating for people. we're sort of chasing headlines. we're chasing tweets. so but at the end of the day, what matters to me is what matters. you control what you can control and focus on people and results in getting things done. and that's that's i think was demonstrably the case yesterday in the meeting. >> you previously mentioned the timeline for rebuilding would be 6 to 9 months. is that going to happen? and should people rebuild in some parts of california, given how high the fire risk is? >> you can't rebuild the same. so we have to rebuild with science. we have to build with climate reality in mind. we have to look at infrastructure, redundancy systems, ingress, egress as it relates to emergency management and planning materials. all of that has been reviewed and reconsidered. and with the latest iterations in terms of understanding and technology. and i say technology in the context of how, again, we build the infrastructure to keep it safe, to address undergrounding

of lines, how we address the larger issues of redundancy in terms of systems. but more important than anything else is the need to get the debris removed. 30 days to do the hazardous waste. we want to get 6 to 9 months. the rest of the debris done concurrently. people are getting permits. so this is all happening rolling together, and we want to see construction very shortly. and in the next few years, we want to see hundreds of thousands of homes rebuilt. >> but i think there's a big question about how do some californians do that, right. you have state farm announcing that it has an average 22% interim rate hike for homeowners. the fair insurance plan for the state is just bogged down right now. your dad, i believe, is on that plan. if i recall. >> well. >> yeah, people californians are saying they're not getting the help they need from fair. it's really confusing. >> well, fair is not a state plan. it's not a taxpayer funded plan. it's a syndicate pool run by the insurance market itself. and it's the insurer of last resort. and it's existed back to ronald reagan in 1968. as it relates to that plan and

their exposure, they have reinsurance, significant amount of reinsurance. we feel strongly at this moment. and again, this is this changes in real time that the plan will be able to absorb the losses ultimately now, as it relates to the larger issue of the insurance market, not unique to california by any stretch of the imagination. what's happening with insurance? and this is the reality, the new reality of extremes. extreme heat, extreme drought. you have droughts and rain bombs. you have flooding at the same time. you're dealing with droughts all happening concurrently. there's a new reality. the world we're living in. and if you're not believing science, you have to believe your own eyes, your own lived experience. and the reality is, the insurance market understands it better than anyone else. the market and mother natures are going to have to change the way we live and do business in the context of how we plan, how we do land use zoning in the future along the lines of your question, we have to wake up to this reality. we cannot be in denial about what's going on with mother nature again around the globe.

not just. >> just to sort of pin you down on. what does that mean for the rebuilding in some of these high risk areas. >> just more sophisticated design and planning. remember, altadena, those many of those homes were done in the 20s and 30s and 40s for a world that no longer exists from a climate perspective. and so the ability to absorb a deeper understanding as you rebuild it presents itself anew in a profound and, we hope, impactful way. so i'm i'm concerned about it, but i'm not concerned about our resourcefulness to address it with the most modern standards anywhere in the world. by the way, california leads the nation already in building zoning and standards. our ability now to take it to the next level to be a model for the rest of the country presents itself. >> all right. i know we have to let you go. i just want to quickly end. you mentioned the tarmac meeting with president trump. you said it was a continuation of a of a conversation you had had with him. he came there to california to tour the wildfire damage. bring us into that. i know a lot of us were wondering what was happening in that moment. >> i was just again, back to open hand, not a closed fist, welcoming him back to the state

of california. and you know, i don't want, you know, people start reliving reading lips here. >> so i want to go straight. >> to the source. we start talking about water. i mean, we were in, you know, middle again in the middle of a conversation that we ended at the end of his term. >> we went right into water. and that. >> conversation, it was he's very focused on water, and i appreciate that. i'm focused on water. it's one of the most i mean, i'm in california, you know, it's so this is this is a top issue for us. and we also extended yesterday different discussions about other areas. we can agree that he could move the needle in california water policy. so that's a little bit of a preview. we hope some good things come from that. >> all right. governor gavin newsom, thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. cnn exclusive reporting on elon musk's efforts to gain access to a key treasury payment system. coming up. >> patients who have sensitive teeth but also want whiter teeth. they have to make a choice one versus the other. sensodyne clinical white provides two shades whiter

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right. what have you learned? yeah. >> so right after. >> donald trump comes into office, he shuts down the. >> usaid payments that. >> are outgoing. and the way to do that is through the agency itself. but there is this system at the treasury department that distributes essentially all the checks that go out for the federal government, $5 trillion a year. and what we learned through our understanding of these emails that were being exchanged from trump, people coming in interested in advancing his politics. and then there, speaking to the career, longtime civil servants at treasury, they're saying, shut off usaid payments here in this department as almost a backstop to making sure the state department could then have time to look at the individual payments and turn them off on their end. the tension here is that that's just not how it works. the treasury doesn't make these sorts of choices, and this

is the first known indication that we have that the department of government efficiency people working with elon musk, the chief of staff for the incoming cabinet secretary for the treasury department, that they were all interested in using the resources at treasury to carry out donald trump's political agenda and turn off those payments, these payments that specifically we're talking about in this case were supposed to go to the health systems strengthening service at usaid. basically, what builds hospitals in developing countries sends money to strengthen health care and make sure there isn't the spread of infectious disease, things like that. that's what they wanted to control at the treasury department, not just at usaid. >> i think what was so striking is we reviewed this. we knew things going into this particular line of reporting, which was last week, a career civil servant of more than 35

years, the most senior career official at the treasury department and the acting secretary as they waited for scott bessent to be confirmed, resigned. we knew that something had happened that forced him to resign. we knew it involved the payment systems. we didn't know specifically what it was. we don't know much of anything about what the doge team and their operations and their associates are doing across all these government agencies right now. the opacity is kind of the point. i think on some level, what we found in these emails is very specific requests. eight requested bullet points related to these payment systems, what the response was from the career official was one, i don't think that's legal. and two, it's not what we do. go back to state then the doge official that is at the treasury department, tom krause, who's kind of running point over there, responded very sharply to the career official, saying, i would propose to you that perhaps you have legal liability here, like you might have some exposure legally. the individual, if you do not do what we're saying to do now, what we don't know is what happened between that moment and the resignation scott bessent

coming in, approving access to these payment systems on the read only basis, as you noted, that's. >> what they say. >> how do we how do we verify. >> that's that's what we're in talking to sources that were briefed on this, their concern is the jump from we want all this access. we want explicit action. we want a number of different things, eight different bullet points to we will accept read only when their guy is in place. seems unlikely. it is kind of how people were framing it to us. now. we don't know that it did or didn't happen. what we know is that the treasury department has said read only in a letter to lawmakers, scott bessent has said read only in a television interview. treasury officials associated with scott bessent have said read only lawyers yesterday in court said read only. >> so i just want to emphasize this because wasn't the initial explanation from the administration that they wanted access just for read only, right, that the initial reason for their access, they just want to look at it, review it, read.

but that's undercut right by these emails that they they didn't just want to. i mean, there. >> seems to be a very clear revelation here that there was an interest to use the treasury department's systems in place as a way to turn off payments to fall in line with the white house. that on itself is just not what we have been hearing. and the reason that, you know, democratic senators on capitol hill have been asking so many questions. it's not just about whether the white house or the treasury department can turn off payments to usaid or whichever part. it's also the fact that there's a massive amount of protected and private information in this payment system. and it's a system within the treasury department that is very closely held. very few people work on it. it really hadn't been paid attention to by people in political spheres for a long time. and one thing, pam, that we were also told by a source here in reporting this out, is that bessent, the secretary, didn't give limitations initially when he

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