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and president trump. but many workers fear that if they don't take it, they might lose their jobs anyway. plus, the israeli prime minister calling it a, quote, remarkable idea. hailing trump's proposal to, quote, own and develop gaza. this, as trump clarifies his comments on potentially needing the assistance of u.s. troops. >> and a new strain of bird flu has now been detected in dairy cows in nevada. why experts fear it could mark a turning point for the spread of the virus. we're following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central. >> thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. i'm boris sanchez alongside brianna keilar in the nation's capital. a key part of president donald trump's strategy to drastically cut down the federal workforce is now officially on hold. a federal judge pausing. tonight's deadline for federal employees to accept the

administration's so-called buyout offer, with a new hearing scheduled for monday. >> until monday. and the white house says at least 50,000 people, about 2.5% of the federal workforce have already accepted the offer. cnn's jeff zeleny is live for us at the white house. is the administration responding to this news yet? jeff, thank. >> you, brianna. we are just getting the first response from the white house on this. of course, they have essentially been selling this for the last week or so as a good deal for federal employees trying to get them to sign up for this deferred resignation program, effectively a buyout offer, but not a traditional one like we see in private to companies. but the white house is a bit of a perhaps sarcastic response. this is what we're getting from white house press secretary karoline leavitt, who said a few minutes ago this. we are grateful to the judge for extending the deadline. so more federal workers who refuse to show up to the office can take the administration up on this very generous, once in a lifetime offer. so expressing

gratitude to that massachusetts federal judge who put this on hold, saying that there needed to be oral arguments on this on monday. the bottom line to all of this is there is so much confusion and skepticism throughout the federal government about this buyout program because it happened in a very nontraditional way. it started, of course, with those emails that sounded very elon musk like, which of course, they were devised to sound like that. he's been playing a huge role in this, and his department of government and efficiency, but there have been questions from a labor unions for the federal workforce if these actually were valid agreements. so that's why these three, these three labor unions have filed suit. so the judge now putting on hold the white house, though, saying it gives people more time to take up this offer. but again, not many people have only 2% or so of the federal workforce. >> yeah. in the scheme of things, it's not that much. jeff. and then minutes from now, president trump is expected to be signing these executive orders as he does so many days, targeting, in this case, the

international criminal court and also, quote, anti-christian bias within the federal government. can you tell us more about that? >> yeah, we are learning that the president will be signing executive orders. perhaps he will open this up to the press, as he's done several days since taking office once again. but he is going to he sort of foreshadowed this earlier today at the national prayer breakfast when he spoke, particularly urging his attorney general to instruct her agency to essentially root out anti-christian bias. this is what he said this morning. >> the mission of this task force. >> will. >> be to immediately halt all forms of anti-christian targeting and discrimination within the federal government, including at the doj, which was absolutely terrible. the irs, the fbi, terrible, and other agencies. >> so that is certainly something that many people in his base like to hear. the idea of rooting out what the

president describes as anti-christian bias. and, brianna, one other one, we're told, is sanctioning the international criminal court for how it has treated the u.s. and israel in the middle east, brianna. >> all right. jeff zeleny, live for us at the white house. thank you. and even though a judge did pause tonight's buyout offer deadline for federal workers, some 2 million of them still face uncertainty as the trump administration pushes ahead with these plans for massive cuts. with us now is rob schreiber. he's the former acting director of the office of personnel management, which is the human resources department for the u.s. government. he's now managing director for democracy forward's civil service strong initiative. and, rob, i first just want to get your reaction to the breaking news that the judge has put this deadline on hold, and this buyout may be in question. >> i think that, brianna, that's a win for all federal employees. we have seen information coming out in dribs and drabs. throughout the. past week, most recently, very alarmingly, the administration seems to have opened up the

offer to national security personnel. i think all of us have americans, as americans. >> need to be asking. what happens. >> if large numbers of federal employees take this offer? >> what do you worry could happen? >> what i worry could happen is fundamental governmental functions could suffer. what happens, for example, if a usda office. >> in. >> iowa, if all the employees take it there, who's going to serve those farmers? what happens if we lose meat inspectors? what can we say about the hamburger meat that shows up in our grocery stores? these are the impacts that federal employees have on the american people. >> every day. >> so opm sent out a follow up memo this past tuesday that says, effectively, if the trump administration backtracks on the buyout, quote, an employee would be entitled to request a rescission of his or her resignation. but when you look at a sample buyout agreement, it states that only an agency head has the discretion to rescind the agreement. it's not subject to review in any form, and an employee quote forever waives and will not pursue through any

judiciary, administrative or other process. any action related to the offer. how problematic is it that you have this clarification memo from opm contradicting the fine print on a sample buyout? >> it's incredibly problematic, and you have. >> zeroed in. >> on the key. language they are attempting to convince federal employees to take this deal because they have been intimidating them and tormenting them for the first three weeks of the administration to make their lives as miserable as possible. then they want them to sign this deal, abandon their jobs, and give up any rights that they may have going forward, including the right to enforce this very agreement. >> this boils down if you take it to a good faith place, a debate over the role of government, how big government should be. but when you outline individual jobs, i mean inspectors at the usda, folks who are essential to farmers in iowa, those are roles that probably most americans would

say, yeah, i think those are jobs that should be proceeding here. what do you make of this caricature of federal employees that is out there that they're just like these lazy, freeloading washington bureaucrats when really nine out of ten of them aren't in washington and they're doing a lot of jobs like the ones you outlined. >> it's very sad. and, you know, brianna, this is right out of the project 2025 playbook. this is what they said they were going to do. they are now doing it. democracy forward. my organization was ready to go. and that's why we have been bringing these lawsuits. but i think it's really important that in addition to stopping him in court, which, by the way, every federal judge that has looked at these issues, no matter which party the president was, who appointed them, has ruled against the administration. we need to explain those facts to the american people about the impact on their daily lives. >> there is reporting that musk's team, i'm sure you've seen it. they gained access to opm personnel data and computer systems. you have a better sense

of what that means than most people. what kind of data could that be? >> it's highly sensitive data. there's personnel, personally identifiable information. there's financial data. there's personal health information. all of these rules that the federal government has in place are to protect that data from a cybersecurity posture and make sure that it's not vulnerable to attack. when you evade those rules, you open up all of that sensitive data to breaches. >> rob shriver, thank you so much for your insights. we appreciate it. thank you boris. >> for more on the trump administration's effort to transform the federal government, i'm joined by georgia republican congressman buddy carter. he's a member of the house budget committee and the newly formed doge caucus. congressman, thanks so much for being with us this afternoon. i want to start where we just left the conversation with the former acting director of opm, rob shriver. he talks about fundamental government functions potentially being hampered by federal workers taking these buyouts. do you share some of

those concerns? >> no, i don't share those concerns. look, 5% or five, excuse me, five years out of covid and we only had 6% of american workers, of federal workers going back into the office full time. that's ridiculous. and look, if they don't want to go back to the office and they need to find another job, that's as simple as it is. and this is what president trump is trying to say. he's offering a very generous package, by the way. you know, eight months. i mean, who wouldn't take that if you're interested, if you're not interested in working, take eight months and go find something else. and you know, all this surprise. oh, i can't believe he's doing this. he told you he was going to do this? the american people voted overwhelmingly for him to do this. >> i do wonder, congressman, how you connect the dots between having federal workers who have been working remotely because of covid, coming back to the office with doge associates, taking

control, or at least having access to some of the sensitive payment systems of the treasury, for example. and some of these opm systems. how do how are those two things related? >> no, they look, the doge employees don't have access to sensitive information. they have read only access, preliminary access, and they are just looking for inefficiencies. they don't have your access to your personal information. only federal employees have that. and the treasury. so that's not something we should be concerned about. they don't have that access. we've been getting calls in the office from people. oh my god. elon musk has got my information. no, he doesn't have your information. they're just looking for inefficiencies. >> i do wonder whether the doge caucus is conducting oversight on musk and his associates. and if you could distinguish for us what you mean by they don't have access versus they have read only access. >> well, i can distinguish it by

saying they don't have access to your personal information, and you only have that if you're a federal employee and you have clearance with that. but the doge employees don't have that access. so people shouldn't be concerned about that. and yes, the doge caucus. we do have control over this. and, you know, that's the reason the doge caucus exists, because, look, you know, the doge employees really don't have any authority, but when they need something, they identify something. it will be up to us in the doge caucus to act on it and to legislate on it. >> you have no concerns about this sort of extra governmental entity that wasn't created by congress. it's supposed to be an advisory council, a sort of advisory role. you have no concerns about them having access to these systems. i mean, you say that they don't have access, but they have read only access. i wish that that would be clarified somehow. what exactly does that mean? >> well, what it means is that

they can't go and find your personal information. they can look for inefficiencies. and and all of us have done this through through looking through information before on the computer. and we understand what the difference is between read only and between having access to personal information. let me assure you that that's not what's happening right now. and assure the american people that's not what's happening. yes, they are looking for inefficiencies as they were charged to do, and we expect for them to do that. and when they find them, we expect for them to bring it to the doge caucus. let us act on it legislatively. >> to to that point, it appears that some doge associates sought to shut off u.s. aid payments using the treasury's payment system. those are funds that had already been disbursed by congress, appropriated by congress. so does doj's authority supersede your own and your colleagues? >> no, it does not. of course it doesn't. look, the aid that was the u.s. aid that was cut off should have been cut off. i

mean, $15 million for condoms for the taliban and, sir. >> whoa whoa whoa whoa. >> whoa whoa. 7000, $47,000. transgender opera. >> and $15 million for condoms for the taliban. >> that's what we are. that's what they discovered. i mean. >> are you. ah, you conflating. things or are you. >> is this. >> are you. are you talking about the $50 million that was supposedly meant for condoms in gaza? are you conflating those two things, sir? >> i am not, i am not. this is the type of thing that they're finding and this kind of thing. we want them to find. there is inefficiency. when you have a government that is big and bloated, as we have, you're going to find inefficiencies like this. and that's why we need doge. that's why we need to identify these inefficiencies. look, i was born at night, but it wouldn't last night. don't try to pull this over me, okay? and that's that's what we're talking about here. >> i will look into that supposed $10 million for condoms for the taliban. it sounds a lot like the false claim that we've heard about 50 million for gaza. that was way incorrect.

actually, it was 100 million. the last time i heard president trump say it. i do wonder, generally, though, whether you're comfortable with someone that americans did not elect, who has direct business ties not only to the u.s. government, but also chinese business and indirectly, the chinese communist party. having this much influence and reach into sensitive government systems and decisions that are made about money that has been allocated by congress. are you comfortable with that? >> i'm what i'm comfortable with is what doge is charged to be doing, and that is looking for inefficiencies within our government system looking for waste, fraud and abuse. seeing where we can make government more efficient, seeing where we can have more than 6% of the of the federal employees coming to the office full time. seeing where we've got empty buildings sitting here in washington, d.c., with nobody in them. look, we it is time you and i are paying for this. we you pay your taxes. i pay my taxes. the

american taxpayers are the ones paying for this. we deserve an answer. >> i understand that. i just want to correct something. you said i was just handed a fact check. these are previous omb statistics that say that 54% of federal workers don't actually telework at all. you said 6% of federal workers acally go into the office. nevertheless, i understand what you're getting at. and eliminating government waste and making the government more efficient. i think that is widely supported. but i wonder if how it's being put into practice by having the richest man in the world who, again, has these government contracts that bring up questions about conflict of interest, who has business with china, which also brings up questions of conflict of interest. are you okay with essentially sitting in the passenger seat as elon musk takes the steering wheel of the u.s. government? >> what we have is a businessman who understands business, and what we have is a president who understands business, who is going to run this this government like a business. and it needs to be run like a business. we need to have

accountability. we need to have responsibility. the american taxpayer deserve that. and that's what this president is trying to bring. he campaigned on this. the american people elected him overwhelmingly on these things that he said he was going to do. now he's doing them. everybody's throwing their arms up and say, i can't believe he's doing this. he told you he was going to do this. now say what you will about donald trump. but when he tells you he's going to do something, he does it. >> congressman, i got to tell you, $50 million for condoms to the taliban. the u.s. government apparently procures condoms at about $0.03 each one. that's a lot of condoms. are you standing by that, sir? we're going to fact check it. we're going to have you back on and ask you about it. >> that's fine. >> all right. look forward to that conversation, representative buddy carter, thank you so much. >> okay. thank you. >> still ahead, president trump's rapid dismantling of u.s. aid leaves workers around the world concerned for their safety and their futures. how americans overseas now feel that they are in limbo. plus, trump and netanyahu say that no u.s.

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surprising to most of our staff to find out that despite the fact that a republican led congress directed this money to be spent in the way it was being spent up until last week, that this is now being seen as not in line with our priorities. >> to to that point, my follow up was if you could fact check what we just heard from congressman buddy carter of georgia, who repeated this claim. actually, it's the first time i had heard it, but but it's a similar refrain to what we've heard about contraceptives being sent to the middle east, that some $10 million were spent on condoms directed to the taliban. >> we don't support the taliban in afghanistan. so that strikes me as a very unusual claim for anyone to make. i will also say, not only did that claim sound very much at odds with anything that i've ever heard about happening within usaid, but i would love to fact check it, and it would be great to put our website back up so that everyone

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change the reality on the ground that this plan is being overwhelmingly rejected by palestinians in gaza and also being rejected by the countries that would receive those palestinian refugees. jordan and egypt, for example. but ultimately, what this may do is provide some kind of political cover for the israeli prime minister to move forward with another plan to resettle gazans. and we are already starting to see the wheels going into motion to explore that idea with the israeli defense minister. israel katz now ordering the israeli military to begin coming up with a plan to allow for the voluntary migration of palestinians outside of the gaza strip. this is the first time that we have seen the israeli military ordered to come up with such a plan. after more than 15 months of war, so ultimately, it's not clear that this plan by the president to take over gaza is going to be feasible in any way or become a reality, but it certainly has kind of changed and opened, enlarged, perhaps

the overton window here in terms of what the israeli government might actually be able to do on its own, perhaps with u.s. support. brianna. >> all right, jeremy, thank you. and now to our cnn chief congressional correspondent, manu raju on the hill. what are you hearing from lawmakers? >> well, republicans themselves are uncertain what to make of this. some of them were surprised, and many of them are surprised when they first heard this. others rejected out of hand, said this is completely unworkable. >> and many. >> of them want more details, especially as donald trump is talking about this more and more and suggesting this is not something, just something he was just spouting off at the press conference, but actually something that he actually wants to see accomplished. but even so, there are still republicans who don't believe this is something that can actually be pulled off. >> i'm just arguing. >> what is the logistical challenge. >> of rebuilding. >> gaza. >> which i. >> am told there's not a brick. >> standing upon a brick in a way which implies structural

integrity. >> but do you think do you think your constituents would want you. >> should remain with the people who own it. >> do you think your constituents will want occupation again? >> i am not considering that yet, and i suspect my constituents wouldn't, but i'm not sure why construction is being considered in the way that you are considering occupation. >> i think in terms of occupying of gaza, the only way we would ever, i think, if at all, want to do that would be at their invitation. >> so sending in u.s. troops. >> doesn't make it doesn't make sense. i mean, gaza is secured. um, and it may be in upheaval and it may be have an uncertain future. and all of those things, but it's really not our business right now and we do know, in netanyahu's visits on capitol hill today that this is at least come up at least one of those meetings. >> senator john barrasso, who is the number two senate republican, told reporters afterwards that netanyahu essentially urged them not to dismiss this idea out of hand. it didn't seem like it was part of a larger a significant

discussion, but at least was broached on to some extent in that senate meeting. and also, we expect that we had expected that netanyahu would meet with mike johnson, someone who yesterday the speaker of the house said he supported this idea. but johnson and yao yue have yet to meet. the effect this meeting most of all happened two hours ago, but johnson's been at the white house all afternoon as they tried to sort out their own plans to move the trump agenda forward. so it's unclear, brianna, if that johnson netanyahu meeting will actually happen today on capitol hill. brianna. >> all right. monty raju, live for us on the hill. thank you. and still ahead, a new variant of bird flu has been detected in dairy cows in nevada. and fears are growing that this strain could become a serious threat to humans. >> speak now or forever. hold your. >> only took for our cough liquid. unlike robitussin dm, delsym liquid offers 12 hours of cough relief all day or night.

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>> perspective. >> boris, because. >> people have been hearing about bird flu literally for the last year, wondering what is this all about? it's something really dangerous happening. we know that the natural location or reservoir for this virus is in waterfowl in north america. there's about 40 million of them, and only in the last several years with this new strain of bird flu, h5n1 and one has we've really been concerned about this nationwide presence of the infection. and to even understand what's just happened in the dairy cattle. just note that since the 1st of january, there have been 96 different flocks of poultry in 23 million birds in 20 states with puerto rico. they've all become infected largely from this exposure to these waterfalls. but what happened a year ago was we actually saw the spillover in texas of this bird flu virus into dairy cattle. and then when they moved the cattle north with the spring season, we spread it to 16 different states, including major activity in

california. but what happened was the bird flu virus in the birds is a slightly different strain than the bird we than the virus we saw in the cattle. what's happened is that in the last week, we've now confirmed that the original bird flu virus, the one affecting birds, is now also gone into cattle. and so there's now a new introduction of it. and what we don't know is what that means in terms of human health. you know, we've been talking about this as a challenge to human health for a year, and we've yet to see really any evidence of it becoming a routinely transmitted virus in people. but it could happen tomorrow. >> what would it take for it to happen? >> well, it's like it's going to take a series of changes genetically, what we call mutations or a thing called reassortment, where two viruses of different types get into the same lung cell and swap out genes and create basically a new virus. but let me just say, we don't know exactly what the ingredients are for that. and i

liken to think of it as opening a bank safe where you basically take the tumbler and you roll it over to the right number, and you stop there and you roll it to the left number. then you roll it back to the right number before you can actually open the bank safe. that's what this virus is going to require, is that the changes are going to have to happen in sequence, and they're going to have to happen exactly the right way. but when that happens, it opens the floodgates for then what could surely be another influenza pandemic with human to human transmission. but we don't know how close we are to that at all. we just don't know. >> doctor michael osterholm, we have to leave the conversation there. a story we will continue watching. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> still ahead, the fcc releases the full, unedited 60 minutes interview with kamala harris after a lawsuit by president trump claiming that it was deceptively edited. what the full version reveals and what president trump is now saying when we come back.

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what's being charged here. cbs did not commit so-called news distortion, didn't commit election interference. it conducted some arguably funky editing which exposed itself to criticism. but there's nothing illegal about editing. all television networks do it, including the president's favorite network, fox news. but we in the media find ourselves in this impossible position now where we're reacting to unreality. we have to react to things that aren't real because they are expressed by trump and his allies. trump's complaints about cbs, they are unreal. but they're being taken seriously by his federal communications commission, by the agency that regulates cbs. and thus, we have to take it seriously to. >> and, brian, fcc chair brendan carr decided to extend the case for another six weeks and to open it up for public comment. how does that play into the unreality that you're talking about right. >> instead of saying, case closed, he's saying the case is still open. this is going to remain looming over the network's head. i basically

view it as prolonging the pain for cbs. look, i interviewed carr earlier this week. he said what he's trying to do is, quote, reinvigorate the public interest standard at the fcc. in other words, make sure that local radio and tv stations are serving the public interest. that sounds great in theory, but his own democratic commissioners, his own colleagues who are democrats on the commission, are saying that he's weaponizing the agency. and this is what we're watching for and covering throughout trump's government. now, how are these agencies being used to serve trump's purposes? we know that trump wants the media to suffer. he wants cbs to suffer. and it seems like brendan carr target list is the same as trump's target list. carr is probing npr. he's probing pbs. he wrote a letter to disney right before christmas. and now this cbs case will linger, at least for a few more months. >> and brian, turning to another topic, but a really interesting one. the white house says that it's going to cancel $8 million in politico subscriptions in response to a false right wing conspiracy theory. tell us about

this. >> right. this is the best example, i think, in the last 24 hours of that unreality that i'm describing. again, a totally faulty premise here. this right wing conspiracy theory claimed that usaid was secretly bankrolling news websites like politico. the reality is actually boring. the reality is that lots of agencies in the government and lots of lawmakers on capitol hill pay for subscriptions to really high quality, premium politico websites. that's normal. it's been going on for years, but so maga doge internet sleuths treated this like it was a brand new discovery of something really appalling. and as a result, the white house came out and said, hey, we're going to look at this, we're going to cancel this. well, you can't cancel subscriptions. they already paid for years ago. but this is unreality. another example just came up here on your program, $50 million in condoms to gaza, or $50 million in condoms to the taliban. this stuff is unreal. but we are in a position where we have to take it seriously, because it's

coming out of the mouths of elected officials. i guess we should say to the viewers at home, if you're feeling loopy about all this, if you're feeling crazy, it's not you. you're not crazy. but some of these news cycles kind of are a. >> bummer for those folks who have to go without their politico pro that they so relied on, though kind of shooting yourself in the foot there. brian stelter, thank you as always. and up next, a homeowner down under gets a slithering surprise. there's a lot of them there. you know. after calling for help to deal with some garden pests >> saquon barkley nic robertson. >> to all. >> those who never give a second thought to being the first ones

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