america. kendrick lamar is the big winner this weekend. >> i think that is indisputably true, that kendrick has won this weekend. >> go ahead. >> i grew up in philadelphia, so my prediction is that saquon barkley, the reverse hurdle guy, is going to get a statue next to rocky on the philadelphia art. museum. >> all right. we will probably live to see the day that that happens. everyone, thank you very much for watching news night. thank you. and we'll see you actually tomorrow morning, 10 a.m. with our conversation show table for five. we have a good group for you. laura coates live starts right now. >> well, tonight. >> elon musk gets a new mission. a long leash and the return of his most controversial doge aid. plus, even after they won a legal victory,

joins me to preview her performance of the black national anthem tonight on laura coates live. all right. at this point, we may need an auctioneer to speed read for everything that trump has actually done. i mean, just in the last few hours, he terminated president biden's security clearance. he fired the national archivist. he appointed himself chairman of the kennedy center for performing arts. yeah, you heard that right. all the while, he's letting elon musk's leash get longer and longer. >> is there anything you've told elon musk he cannot touch? >> well, we haven't discussed that much. i'll tell him to go here. go there. he does. it. >> it's that easy, huh? well, democrats aren't so sure that it's actually trump telling him to go here and there. and then

he does just that. and then time magazine fanned their flames with this cover, casting elon musk as the president. oval office desk and all. and i'll talk with the journalist who wrote that cover story. shockingly, it looks like trump isn't smiling about it. >> did you have a reaction to the new time magazine cover that has elon musk sitting behind your resolute desk? at time magazine well, for six seconds, trump waited for the japanese interpreter to finish translating, staring at the ground before he shot back with this. >> is time magazine still in business? i didn't even know. >> that time magazine had discussed. >> elon is doing a great job. he's got a staff that's fantastic. >> fantastic. that must mean something different these days. remember the 25 year old doge staffer we told you about last

night? the one who resigned after racist posts were? well, just like that, musk put him back on the team. all it took was vice president j.d. vance's approval. and while vance disagreed with some of the posts, he, quote, doesn't think stupid social media activity should ruin a kid's life, unquote. i'm curious how well that assertion is going to age over time. trump he was cool with it, too. >> one of the doge engineers was fired for some inappropriate posts. the vice president says bring him back. what do you say? >> well, i don't know about the particular thing, but if the vice president said that, did you say that i'm with the vice president. >> so now that elon has his doge squad back to full speed, he's getting orders to get his cost cutting paws into other parts of the government. >> and i've instructed him to go check out education to check out the pentagon, which is the

military. >> yeah, the military, you know, the one that sends musk billions of dollars to his spacex company. that one. raise your hand if you're feeling safer already. a fair question to ask tonight is if musk will be as ruthless with the pentagon as he was with usaid. the sign on the agency's dc headquarters was literally dismantled today, a visual reminder of what musk has been doing to the agency. or maybe he did to the agency, except the courts did get in his way. a judge stepped in and temporarily saved more than 2000 workers who were about to be placed on leave. in a moment, bakari sellers and scott jenkins are going to debate all of this. buckle up, my friends. but first, insight from simon schuster. the reporter behind that must read time cover story. musk's war on washington. simon, glad to have you here. you know, musk is taking quite the bulldozer to the federal government as we now see it.

trump says he's telling him to go here, go there, and he does. it. is there anything, though, realistically constraining his power that you have seen? >> well, i think it's not quite right to call it a bulldozer. it's much smarter and in many ways more subtle than that, and in some ways more pernicious. i mean, what we found when we were reporting on this story is doge elon musk's team. they're sending their operatives into various branches of the bureaucracy to really get into those systems, especially their computer systems. they understand that that is the circulatory system of the government. and once they get in there, get access to the data, get access to those computer systems. those are the systems they're using to make their control and influence over those government systems lasting. and they're going to be hard to remove if even if courts decide to try to chuck them out. it's going to be tricky. i think there's going to be the same approach with the pentagon as you just mentioned. they're

going in there next. >> and on that very point, if one's hooks are inside of a system, and congress has not been the most adept at keeping pace with technological advances, i mean, they think they still call it at times the world wide web, more than anything else. for that reason, how are they going to be able to either regulate or remove? has there been any thought given to how they're going to have oversight? >> yeah, it's been an interesting thing to see. i mean, we started working on this story only on monday. we published it on friday, and it was interesting to see the wave of disgust and blowback building among the democrats. a lot of it has been hot air. they've been out there in the streets and demonstrations, you know, giving loud statements and pontificating against trump, against musk, of course, as one would expect. but we haven't seen that materialize yet into anything very substantive, i think. and what we've seen already in these last few days,

the judicial branch, the courts are going to be the ones that really make a difference, at least in this early stage, because i don't see the democrats mustering the kind of institutional might to challenge what musk is doing. they just haven't faced something like this before. >> you know, you obviously have heard what trump's response was to seeing that cover. it's quite provocative. he was also named, i mean, time's person of the year two months ago. he knows it's still in business. you obviously knew they were going to get a reaction. what did you make of it? >> yeah, it was fascinating to see. i mean, i guess it's the reaction that a lot of, a lot of people expected that it would sting him, but i thought that he would be a bit better in controlling, you know, the way that he looked while responding to this. i mean, it was quite clear from his body language and what he said, that it irked him to see this. and i think it speaks to the the nature of his relationship with musk. a lot of

people have predicted that that relationship would be rocky, that these are two men with large egos who are used to being in charge. so we'll see how long it lasts. but yeah, this time, i think it was the first time i saw trump really demonstrate that he doesn't like being eclipsed by anyone, musk or anyone else. >> speaking of what might be fleeting, i understand that you're hearing from people who have some kind of buyer's remorse of what they've been saying. there's a lot of chaos, a lot of disruption. certainly they talk about a mandate, but what are they telling you? >> i mean, the mandate was clear, and we have to be honest about that. you know, i think a lot of the people who voted for trump voted for him because of his promise to go in and reduce government spending to gut the deep state and these kinds of promises that he made. and i think there are a great many supporters of donald trump who are still watching what musk is doing and seeing that as trump keeping his promise, but still,

what we see now is the the rubber hitting the road in the sense of real people's lives being affected. and i think even some people who voted for trump inside the federal bureaucracy, government workers, civil servants, they're now seeing that, hey, they're coming after us. they're really coming after the workers and the government. and i think, you know, once you see people out there getting kicked, kicked out of their jobs, you know, that's that's different. it's not abstract anymore. it's real. it's people's lives. >> simon, really compelling piece. thank you so much for joining this evening. >> thank you. >> i want to continue our conversation with two of our political commentators, scott jennings and bakari sellers are here. let's begin with you here, scott. um, musk says that he is rehiring that 25 year old doge staffer who had resigned after some very frankly recent racist social media posts emerged as a vice president.

vance president trump. they both went to bat for him. why? >> well, i. >> tend to agree with jd vance some of his comments today that social media posts shouldn't ruin some kid's life. i think that's absolutely true. so in a lot of republicans feel that way. number two, i would like to think if you vouch for someone in the way that some people in the government did today, that maybe they've talked to him and have a better understanding of what he's all about than what you might see in a social media post. i'm not really accustomed to, you know, going on television and either, uh, slandering or absolving someone based on social media posts when i don't personally know them. i hear a lot of people doing that right now. so they're vouching for him. it's there. it's their organization to vouch for. i hope they're right. but i do think vance is on to something. this idea that a couple of social media posts can ruin the rest of your life. there's a there's a there's a lot of undercurrent of that going on out there right now. and certainly vance gave voice to it today. >> bakari, what's your reaction?

>> i mean, i think that the the underlying thesis is correct, that 1 or 2 social media posts, something you do while you're a child, something you do while you're younger, particularly in this new age of ultra transparency, should not dictate or ruin your life and opportunities going forward. the difference is this kid has access to trillion dollar systems. this kid is someone who is not a legislative assistant or a page. he is someone who is actually going in in the highest levels of our bureaucracy and having access to some of our classified and most secure secrets. and so, no, he does not deserve to be rehired back because this is not a menial task or some job that is the equivalent of doing something else. should he have a career? should he be able to go to college or get another degree or whatever it is? yes. but should he be able to do the things he's been doing? the answer is no. and i wish we got to the point where we no longer tolerated racism in this country. and i wish we got to the point where we no longer tolerate it and understood that even one racist is too much. and

i think that because we because we just alleviate that burden, because we allow that to be pervasive, it builds this distrust and drives us further apart and becomes more divisive. so no, he don't need his job back. he does need a lesson in understanding that we're all in this thing together. >> to be clear, this is a 25 year old. these are recent posts. this is not somebody who's looking in the rear view mirror and had some epiphany because of a, um, a long term evolution that i think is a central issue here. but, scott, let me turn for a second to what the power might be. the directives coming from trump, he says to musk, who is then going to be going for the pentagon and the military soon. i seem to remember a time. speaking of youth, i'm young enough and old enough to remember that touching the military and having anyone's hands on it, anyone's eyes into it, was problematic. republicans are going to support that.

>> well, i think certainly republicans are going to support what effectively amounts to the most aggressive and needed government audit we've ever had, no matter what agency it is. so, yes, i think the party is, by and large going to support this. and i think the pentagon is an agency that absolutely should be looked at like any other. i don't want elon musk or anyone else going in and saying, we need to shrink the size of our military or somehow reduce our national capacity to wage war or defend the nation. but you can't look at a bureaucracy this size and tell me that there is not waste, fraud and abuse that could be ferreted out if somebody like elon musk and his team were willing to go in and do it, of course they're going to find things. they'll find things in every single agency. and i think the american people are asking for that. and i have no doubt that you could get rid of some waste, fraud and abuse in the pentagon and have no impact on our national security whatsoever. and in fact, maybe you might enhance our national security by getting rid of some duplicative bureaucracy or some things where money is being spent on things that shouldn't be spent on, maybe redirect those things to to more mission

critical items. >> i mean, is it a little disconcerting if you're a member of congress? bakari, and elon musk is somehow being given the carte blanche to do that, which your oversight is supposed to do? is it is it congress seeing this and saying, you know what, it didn't work for us. so go ahead and you try. i thought the founding fathers had a very different notion of the people who were supposed to have these roles, and that power of the purse. >> yeah, i'm not honestly not sure what congress is doing. mike johnson is fundamentally irrelevant, and democrats are trying to find their sea legs as if they were surprised by what would happen. so i'm not even sure if there is a a necessary relevance of either democrats or republicans in the house or senate. um, with that being said, i mean, the fact that he's going into the pentagon, if you want to find waste and fraud, you can start with pete hegseth, who's asking for $49,000 emergency paint job for a government funded home where he made $4 million a year.

>> this is a decision. this this was already in the works. this was already in the works. this is a. >> disingenuous attack. >> and you know it. this was already in the works. >> come on. no, i mean, well, i mean, let's let's round out the attack then why does why does pete hegseth need a government funded home if we're talking about if we're talking about government waste, i mean, why does he need that? but it goes even further than just that. i mean, if you want to talk about what's actually happened with happening with elon musk, this is about petty grievances. this isn't about some larger i want to trim government and bureaucracy. look at what he did at usaid. it's an agency that was investigating him because he was a beneficiary of usaid grants. who else but elon musk and starlink? if you look at what he did with the faa, it was a bitter dispute over the fact that he got a fine from the faa. so he wanted that chief to be excommunicated. if you look at what happened with the federal trade, et cetera., and the chief over there, and you saw the the way that they clashed, that is what this is about. elon musk today got the president of the united states to help dictate

policy and stop foreign aid to south africa, while allowing afrikaners to come into this country and have priority. this is not some larger mission to trim bureaucracy. this is not some america. first, we are going to go out and be and restore our prestige. this is elon musk doing what elon musk wants to do, and that's unfortunate. >> scott, respond to that notion of why this you believe is indeed america first policy, or is it not? >> look, i think this is absolutely america first, it's needed policy, and it's what people have been asking for for years. and honestly, politicians have talked about doing this for a very long time. the only difference is they never do it. you've had presidents from both parties say, i'm going to make the government smaller. i'm going to go in and look at the bureaucracy and make it more efficient. i'm going to trim where i can trim the fat. no one ever does it. reports are written and committees meet. people have phone calls, press conferences are held, and nothing ever happens except the government gets larger and larger. lo and behold, donald

trump shows up and throws out the sledgehammer, the instrument of destruction. elon musk to actually do it and do it at lightning speed. this is precisely what voters have been demanding. is he going to break a few eggs along the way? that's fine. they'll have plenty of political latitude to do it, because the action is what's wanted by the american people. >> well, we'll see who actually owns the eggs that are broken and how they feel about it. thank you both. >> they're too expensive. ain't nobody owning eggs right now. they're too expensive. >> i got plenty. i knew it come right out of my coop in the backyard. >> they coming right out of the coop. >> we went. from hgtv and a home makeover to now the food network. you got to love mac programing. all right, up next. thank you. president trump says it out loud. he will fire some fbi agents even after they won a legal ruling today meant to protect them. the lawyer defending the bureau's agents joins me next. and later, the trump team keeps saying their immigration efforts are only about targeting, quote, unquote, the worst first three weeks in,

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names publicly without at least two days notice. okay, so for the fbi agents, that was good news. but here's the bad. listen. >> are you planning to fire the fbi agents who worked on those investigations? >> no, but i'll fire some of them because some of them were corrupt. i have no doubt about that. i got to know a lot about that business, that world. i got to know a lot about that world. and we had some corrupt agents. and those people are gone, or they will be gone. and it'll be done quickly and very surgically. >> i want to bring in mark zaid. he's a national security attorney who is representing the fbi agents in this legal battle. also here with us, daniel brenner, he's a retired fbi supervisory special agent and co-founder and president of the brennan sierra group. thank you both for being here. mark, i'll begin with you. you've got your work cut out for you and the volume at at the very least. but you just heard trump there. will you be able to stop these agents

from getting fired? >> well, so it's not just agents, it's analysts. it's forensic examiners. you know, a lot more than just agents who did work really literally. the people who signed leave requests for agents to travel there. we're on this 5 to 6 000 person list. will we be able to stop firings in advance? look, you see how surgically and quickly things go. without precision, we will. i guarantee you, i assure everyone, we will sue the u.s. government to reinstate all those who are fired, especially without due process, which is what we're certainly most concerned about. but listen. what what he said the corruptness i have sued the u.s. government, including the fbi, for over 30 years. i'm all for getting rid of corrupt fbi personnel. they take bribes. robert hanssen disclosing classified information to a foreign adversary. let's do it.

absolutely. but working on the january 6th cases, if that means they're corrupt or partisan, let me just very quickly give this this kind of sketch out. do we really believe an fbi agent who probably found the evidence by social media posting of camera footage that the january 6th people put out themselves somehow opened the case on their own, somehow investigated it all on their own, somehow brought the case to the u.s. attorney's office all on their own, got a grand jury, convened all on their own, got the prosecutors to prosecute them, and a federal judge to convict them all on their own. somehow, they're the corrupt ones who should be fired. i mean, give me a break, daniel. >> i know a rhetorical question. when i hear one, and i just heard a lot. there's only one answer. i think, for most of those. indeed. and you served in the fbi. so what is this doing? what is the impact of these

threats? number one, not only on morale but the actual operation of an organization critical on cases that have nothing to do with even this discrete date. >> absolutely. and that's exactly what you said. there's there's ramifications in what it's doing is there's there's earthquake going across the bureau around the world. there's agents in embassies overseas that they're putting forth. they're, you know, enforcing the constitution and the laws set forth by congress. but this is putting a brake on everything, on everyone, even people who aren't associated with any of these investigations. they're now nervous. they're now looking over their shoulder. they're. and it's causing hesitation. and it's taking them away from doing their work. that's all agents want to do is conduct their investigations, support the constitution, and enforce the laws that are put forth before them. and i absolutely agree with mark. if an agent is found to be corrupt or if he's breaking a law, i think there should be an investigation and that agent should be dealt with

appropriately. but most of these, if not all of them, all of these 6000 employees, and like you said, not all agents. there's a lot of professional support employees who are just supporting the investigation. they're being unduly investigated and put pressure. now, a lot of these people may be close to retirement and but more importantly, what's dangerous is if their names are released, the possibility of them getting doxed or getting threats or more importantly, their families getting threatened for something that they are allegedly having have done. so i think it's very difficult situation all around. >> so, mark, will the two day lead time be enough to try to counteract what you've just described? the potential for? what happens if it's released? >> well we'll see. i mean, you know, we made it two business days because what we were expecting with two days is, you know, 11:00 at night on a friday or saturday, we'd get notification and you can imagine how difficult it would be to respond. so at least two

business days, i think that would be long enough. i mean, the government was arguing when we were in court yesterday that this was speculative injury, that there was nothing imminent. well, that two day window, if we are received, if we receive notification, what more could be imminent? if they're telling us they're going to disclose something, you know, to whomever, to the public particularly. but we we were fighting in particular about the wording at first. they just wanted it to say the department of justice. and, you know, your last segment about elon musk and spacex and and everyone else and doge, you know, that's a concern that somehow information would get to a nonparty a non-governmental party and just be released, you know, the privacy act and others don't apply that some statutes don't apply to the white house. so what we want to do is bind all the executive branch employees to make sure the information doesn't, frankly, go to the president of the united states

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>> cnn. >> well, since taking office, president trump and top immigration officials vowed to arrest the, quote, worst immigrants. first, those who committed violent crimes. more than 8000 people accused of being in the u.s. illegally have been detained since trump took office. but a closer look at the numbers raises questions about who is being targeted. take the case of dante lopez, the undocumented father has lived in south florida for 14 years while seeking asylum from violence in his native peru. he admits he is here illegally, and he says he was deported once he crossed the border again. lopez says he has no criminal record. he self-reports to ice every day, and he uses his monitoring device. but this week he was detained by federal agents before his next asylum interview. his daughter left asking why they sounded like

mad. >> they sounded mad. they were yelling. they were screaming at my dad. i saw my dad. he was in fear. >> other families are asking the same question, a texas family told npr. their 18 year old son was arrested by immigration agents. they say their son arrived from venezuela last november and was using the cpb one app to seek asylum, but the app was shut down minutes after trump took office. while the 18 year old's family says he crossed the border illegally. his father says he's not a criminal, quote we have behaved, we have done things the right way and that's why we didn't fear we were going to go through this. but the trump administration, they're still a criminal. it's a message that has been telegraphed time and time again since trump took office. >> when we find him, he may be with others. others that don't have a criminal conviction but are in the country illegally. they will be arrested to.

>> with me. now, new york democratic congressman adriano espaillat. thank you so much for joining us this evening, congressman. about 100 people i understand have been detained in new york city. have you heard of undocumented migrants or immigrants without a criminal record being detained as well? >> absolutely. we have heard of even citizens and a veteran being a temporarily detained in question. this is a wide net that's being cast out there. i don't think anyone is in disagreement that if someone committed a violent crime, they should be arrested, they should go to trial, and if found guilty, they should be deported. the the laws are already on the books for that. what we are concerned is that a wide net is being cast out there to capture or arrest people that haven't committed a violent crime, even folks that may have committed a

nonviolent offense. while his colleague a an offense of moral turpitude, which is nonviolent. and we're very concerned that this is sending out sending out a chilling effect in the community. you see it in the streets. the sidewalks are empty you know, it would appear that president trump thinks that he's working to his exact plan then. >> and the idea that they are saying, if you have crossed the border illegally, that's enough of a criminal offense to warrant deportation. what do you say about this push to distinguish between violent crimes after crossing and the act itself? >> well, we're we're not for anybody that's either committed a violent crime before they came here in their country of origin, or someone that has committed a violent crime while being here. we understand that the laws should be applied, and in fact, they are being applied. well, we are concerned is that families

will be split up and we're very supportive of dreamers. dreamers are, on the average have been in the united states for 25 years or more. we're also very supportive of farm workers. uh, half of the farm workers are undocumented, and we want to make sure we keep families together. >> you know, the pacing, the administration says more than 8000 people have been arrested since inauguration day about three weeks ago, as you know. but sources say the white house wants agents to actually pick up the pace of these arrests. how do these comments add to the level of fear for any immigrants? >> well, this fear of sending kids to school is fear of a senior going to to the doctor for his or her doctor's appointment. there's fear of a of a woman who may be a victim of domestic violence, to go to the local precinct and report the batterer. and so this is not what we're about. we are a sanctuary city. it's a safety

net for those that are in need. it's not harboring hardened criminals. that's not what what it does. in fact, it provides a safety net for that mom, that senior, or that that child is going to school. >> i will tell you, as a former prosecutor, there is a chilling effect. if people believe that reporting crimes that they themselves will be victimized, they themselves would in fact be deported, which leads to a whole pandora's box being opened of not being able to actually pursue cases in the long run. in some instances. congressman, we're learning that new york city has a new policy that specifically instructs city workers to comply with an officer's request if that employee feels, quote, threatened, or if the worker fears for their safety. new york city, as you said, is a sanctuary city. is this the right move by new york city? >> well, i in the past administration administratively put into motion a bill that i have, which is sensitive

location bill that says that race should not occur in schools and funeral homes and churches, of course, in places of worship. and this is a backdoor way to get around that. and in fact, i we submitted the bill just yesterday with senator blumenthal. and we're hopeful that people will understand that a church is not a place to have a raid, that a school is is a sacred place for learning and nurturing for children, that an emergency room should not be a place where someone goes to fearing that the nurse is going to turn them in. this is not what we're looking for. we we want to make sure that these places are sacred, that they're not part of the aggressive action that often occurs when a place is raided. >> congressman espaillat, thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> thank you for having me. >> well, just in some more relief for the embattled workers of usaid, a judge has now

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about a month ago, in the immediate aftermath of the fire. you both have been on my mind ever since. i was wondering how you and your kids were doing. how have you been? what is the last month been like for all of you? >> well, busy. and it has feels like it's been five months, but, um, we spent a little time with family when we last spoke to you. we were in the bay area. we came back down because we really wanted to be with the community and and and be in the place where there's all the people that were there to help and help us figure out what the next steps were. um, there has been so much aid and so much outpouring from the whole city. it's been actually extremely moving. >> and when we last spoke, you weren't both of you weren't entirely clear. if you were going to go back, if you were going to rebuild, eventually you you were thinking unless the community that you loved so much

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this year, grammy award winning singer ledisi will have the honor of performing it with president trump and many others. of course, in attendance. it's an extra special performance for ledisi. she's from new orleans, where the big game will be played, and ledisi joins me right now. ledisi, it's such a treat to have you here. i'm a huge fan, and so many people cannot wait to hear you sing. are you excited for this? i'm beyond excited and to be home. >> singing this song. >> but i'm also afraid. but we're going to have fun. >> with it. >> i don't know how you could possibly be afraid. we've heard you sing the vocal cords. you had nothing to be afraid of. why are you afraid? >> well, it's such. a big event. >> you know, i'm at home and all my family's watching. >> they're like. >> now make us proud. >> you know. >> so i just want to represent nola. >> really well. >> so i'm excited. i have no doubt you will. you've won a grammy. you've performed all around the world. we've all been blessed to hear you. and here

you are in this particular moment. and this song is iconic. i mean, it's the 2120 fifth anniversary of its first performance. you're going to be joined by 125 member choir made up of high school vocalists from all across the city. and you said you were going to sing the mess out of this song, which is, of course, what i would expect from you, but give me a sneak peek at what to expect. >> well, i'm going. >> to, of course, be myself, and. >> i'm going. >> to represent. >> my beautiful. >> city. >> and having these wonderful children here of the performing arts with me performing this song is just i can't wait till everyone sees it. it's going to your heart. it's going to make you cry. i was. we just did a rehearsal and i just couldn't hold it together towards the end. i just started bawling. it was so amazing to have this moment and share it with all the children. you know, it's really

beautiful. you'll see. you'll see. >> yeah, now i now i cannot wait. i couldn't wait before now i really can't wait. what does the performance of this song in particular? i mean, the black national anthem, it. you can't help but have your heart swell when you hear it. the lyrics, they're beautiful. they are. i mean, just the way it's performed. for me, it is. it feels like a hug, frankly. but there are those who might question whether it belongs at the super bowl or in sports. but when you hear the song and the lyrics, what does it mean to you? >> when i'm thinking of my reasonings for what? why i love music so much, it's the universal language that goes and touches everyone across the world. and to be from the birthplace of jazz and mahalia jackson, and like marian anderson stepping into a moment to just show the world why music exists, to make us feel better, to ignite us. this is american culture, whether some believe it

or not. it's part of our history. and i'm so honored to be chosen. i can't believe i'm chosen to step in this moment and remind us all why music is a beautiful language for us to come together. so it's not. it's bigger than me. it's my voice is chosen for it. but this is about all of us. not just one, but yes, but you know, my ancestors are all in through this, so i'm honored to be a part of it. yeah. >> well, i got to tell you, it was your voice that was chosen, so you better go ahead and lift every voice and sing until you know the rest. earth and heaven ring, my friend. and so i can't sing, but i can. i can vocalize it for you. i can just speak the words. that's all i'm going to do. but i'm going to be cheering for you. congratulations. it's quite an honor. i'm glad it's you. >> thanks for having me. i'm so proud of you. thank you for all the work you do for us. and you're amazing. i watch you every night, so thank you. well. >> thank you. >> well. >> well, get some sleep, because we're going to be watching you. i will have my hands covered in buffalo wing sauce, but i'm

going to cheer you on anyway, okay? ledisi. thank you so much. i'm rooting for you. >> thanks so much. thanks for having me. >> hey, thank you for watching. anderson cooper 360 is next. >> tonight on 360. >> breaking news on the trump musk effort to dismantle parts of the government. a judge put some of it on hold. and the president welcomes a young staffer linked to racist posts online back into the fold. also breaking tonight, elon musk sends the justice department a list of people to investigate, and the dc u.s. attorney promises to, quote, chase them to the ends of the earth. later, a closer look at the people who will be hurt by the gutting of american foreign aid programs and impact it could have on u.s. influence around the world. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news. there's a lot of it, starting with a federal judge >> as you know, th