greatest entertainer of our lifetime. she announced her cowboy carter tour. i've seen her nine times already. i do plan on going to this tour, miss tina, since she's the one who's always on social media. if you would like to get beyonce to send me one of them really nice gift boxes. i understand y'all don't like trump, but this trump supporter likes beyonce a little box, and if she got a little ticket in there, i am pulling up. get it up. >> get it. that's you know, i'm still stuck. >> on because i was waiting to hear the greatest entertainer of. >> our. >> lifetime because some people would say. >> that's my unpopular opinion, though. >> some people would say it's michael. i think beyonce might say it's michael. >> she would i would not. >> okay. all right. well there you have it everyone. thank you very much. thank you for watching table for five. but you can catch me every weeknight at 10 p.m. eastern time at our news night roundtable. but in the meantime, cnn's coverage continues right now.

>> on. >> hello, everyone, and welcome to the amanpour hour. here's where we're headed this week. >> it would be my hope that we could do something really nice, really good, where they wouldn't want to return. why would they want to return? >> it's been a week of utter confusion in washington and abroad. as trump vows the u.s. will have control of gaza while also ordering a full on purge at usaid, the arm of vital u.s. soft power. >> the notion. of closing. >> and extinguishing. >> usaid is more than dangerous. it is deadly. >> trump's former state department appointee, matthew bartlett, joins me. and the palestinians tell trump, no thanks. >> president trump thinks. >> he can. >> steal our land. >> politician mustafa barghouti says the plan amounts to ethnic cleansing. he joins me from the occupied west bank. then has trump signaled the end of any

two state solution? i asked former israeli palestinian negotiator daniel levy, and last but not least. >> it's a. >> it's a pretty small piece of land. >> trump again dangles, annexing all palestinian lands. from my archives, the history of occupation and israel's religious extremist settler movement. and finally, we go to the movies. >> i mean, it's kind of a dream. >> come true for an actor to play such a complicated, interesting person. >> with mikey madison and her career making performance. >> no. >> no, i'm eating my food. >> you're killing me. >> honora welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour in london. no chance in hell, says a top egyptian official. just statements. no plan. it'll disappear sooner rather than later, says a former israeli prime minister. and even israel's current u.n. ambassador tells cnn palestinians cannot be forced off their land. even the

white house is walking back. some of president trump's shock statement this week on taking control of gaza and removing the entire palestinian population in order to rebuild into a, quote, riviera of the middle east. but condemnation and confusion persist amongst all parties, even as trump has elon musk all but raising the federal government to the ground this week, usaid, a critical arm of u.s. soft power around the world, was effectively dismantled. it's a $40 billion agency with 10,000 employees and provides critical, life saving humanitarian aid while bringing goodwill to the united states. on top of that, a purge of the fbi and the cia appears to be well underway. so to break down trump's attempt to throw the entire kitchen sink at washington, i speak to matthew bartlett, trump's former director of public affairs at the state department. matthew bartlett, welcome to the program. >> an honor to join you here.

>> thank you. look, a lot of people, i guess, certainly around the world have been, you know, really made very, very uncomfortable and nervous about usaid. um, america is the largest provider of humanitarian assistance. and as you know, it's always been called by the u.s. a vital, you know, tool of soft power. how does closing it down, to all intents and purposes, affect the united states? first of all. >> um. >> i guess the short answer is. >> it is. >> unclear, but we are about to find out. listen, i am a republican. i am a conservative. there are arguably some questions. legitimate questions about the the activity of usaid over the past four years. you've seen maybe some some political activism under the biden years. um, you would be naive not to recognize that you would be equally, if not even more naive, to not recognize the everyday miracle that usaid and its staff performed around the world in terms of clean water,

sanitation, and certainly one of the most central tenets of american foreign policy over the past 20 years, hiv aids treatment and prevention. so this is a very, very unsettling notion. um, we've seen efforts of reform. scrutiny is welcomed. continuity is critical. but the notion of closing and extinguishing usaid is more than dangerous. it is deadly. >> i want to first play this sort of mash up of sound bites about usaid and about essentially, you know, taking it to the woodchipper, as elon musk says, here's the president, here's the secretary of state, and here's elon musk. take a listen. >> it's been run by a bunch of radical lunatics, and we're getting them out. usaid, run by radical lunatics, and we're getting them out. >> they just think they're a global entity and that their master is the globe and not the united states. >> as we dug. >> into usaid. >> usaid.

>> it became apparent. >> that what we have here is, is. >> not an apple with a worm in it, but we have actually just a bowl of worms. >> i mean, matthew bartlett, from what i think you said before, is, yes, there needs to be some accountability and reform, but not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. so just describe do you agree a with that characterization of run by a bunch of radical lunatics that it is, you know, an apple full of worms? >> i mean, let's just be clear again, i was a trump appointee at the state department at pepfar in the first administration. we made different choices than the biden-harris administration made. this is more than reform. this is highly problematic in terms of the outcomes that are desirable for the united states of america. if you are saying that usaid was problematic in the biden-harris years, it is equally, if not even more problematic to then just end it. >> and i want to ask you why you think this is happening to this organization of all, with all the caveats that you've made

about various ideological things as well. but let me just read what doctor and author atul gawande, who served usaid under president biden, which you say required some reforms. he said, look, we did work battling and and it will stop a deadly marburg outbreak in tanzania, a wide outbreak of mpox variant killing children in west africa. it will stop monitoring bird flu in 49 countries. it will cut support, aiding some 90 million women and children with vaccinations, prenatal care, safe childbirth, et cetera.. so i guess what i what i, what i don't understand is why you think it's happening in this way. why so radical? why so absolute? >> i mean, if you take a large atmospheric approach to this, certainly through the prism of the last election, we have seen places in america in with pressures domestically, on the economy, on the middle class, on disaster zones. yet for the last four years, you saw billions after billions, after trillions,

after trillions announced for the rest of the world. this had a psychological effect. this now has a bit of a backlash. but what i what we as even conservatives, can affirm is the outcomes, the outcomes of what usaid can do, should do. pepfar is doing every single day is undoubtedly in the spirit of our nation, and it makes us a better, safer, more prosperous nation. >> i want to pick up on a very important aspect of it. and you said, you know, the the perception that too much money is being spent by america to serve the underprivileged abroad. but the truth is, as you know, from being in the state department, it's essentially foreign aid. a kaiser foundation poll found that americans believe about a third of government spending goes to foreign aid, where the actual number is less than 1%. so misinformation is right there. we really appreciate you coming in and explaining the best you can from from actually from the trump perspective, having been

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>> welcome back. the american president said the u.s. would redevelop gaza and its coastline into the riviera of the middle east and relocate palestinians elsewhere. the immediate answer from the region was a flat out no thanks. and the beleaguered palestinian themselves, still living in what trump has called hell, say they won't be forced out. >> this is. >> a failed israeli. >> plan, and it's impossible to transfer us from gaza. we lived under bombardments for a year and a half after all this suffering, starvation, bombardments and death. we won't easily leave gaza. >> all of our children's homes have been demolished and our house is half destroyed. rain comes into the house, cold is coming in and we will still stay. whatever happens, even if we stay in the tent, even if they give us castles and villas, we are not leaving our lands. >> i want to die in. >> my land. >> to stay. >> in it. i was born in gaza, lived in gaza, studied in gaza. i got married here and had my

children. whatever happens, i will never leave it. >> and yet they are desperate for the basic necessities of a decent life. houses, electricity, water and much, much more. after trump's gaza declaration, mustafa barghouti, president of the palestinian national initiative party, joined me from ramallah in the occupied west bank. and as you can imagine, he was duly outraged. >> what we heard was. >> president trump. >> talking. >> but actually. >> it was the. >> voice of netanyahu. i don't know if the american people in leadership understand exactly what he was saying, that this is a war crime, that this is a criminal act, that this is the most serious violation of international law and by which law? president trump thinks he can steal our land and conduct theft of gaza strip, to use it for his, i don't know, imaginary

plans of construction and so on, by which law he wants to displace u.s. 2 million palestinians from gaza. >> in 15 months. the israeli military has managed to reduce much of the gaza strip to rubble. you know, do you think it's uninhabitable? do you think gazans can actually figure out how to live there? steve witkoff, who visited gaza last week, said this what we are trying to do is be transparent to these people. if you go to gaza today, i was there, i witnessed it. you see people going there picking up a tent and literally in some circumstances, turning right around again because there is nothing left there. what is your answer to that? >> that's exactly the israeli propaganda. my answer to that is that 500,000 palestinians, half a million people, came back to the north of gaza. although it is destroyed, of course, because they would not leave their land.

and what they are talking about is absolutely incorrect, because the last thing any palestinian wants, after we've experienced ethnic cleansing in 1948, the last thing that people want is to be ethnically cleansed. again, people in gaza are ready to survive regardless of the harsh conditions. and mr. trump should have asked netanyahu, how could you have caused all this damage? he should have asked himself, where did this 86,000 tons of explosives that were thrown on gaza? where did they come from? from the united states of america, the united states has responsibility for the ethnic, for the terrible genocide that took place that netanyahu conducted, and for that it should be paying compensation to palestinians. they should force israel to pay compensation to palestinians, not to punish the victim by ethnically cleansing us. >> next up, what's in it for

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now, for decades, u.s. presidents have tried to play the peace broker for a two state solution, long considered the only viable option for peace in the region in the wake of donald trump's shock proposal this week, saudi arabia is considered the crown jewel to complete national normalization ties with israel, per trump's 1.0 successful abraham accords. but now that seems to be endangered. as the kingdom's former ambassador to the united states told me, your king and others have said in the past that there will be no normalization without a pledge for a palestinian state and in fact, for israel to get out of gaza. do you think that still holds? and can you see normalization happening? >> indeed, in. not at all. this morning, our foreign ministry issued a statement rejecting what came out of washington in the last days. and this has been the position of saudi arabia from the beginning and even

before october 7th. if you recall, when prince mohammed spoke with one of your opposition television channels in america, he made clear then that the path to a clear palestinian state is what we want to see as a result of any talks that we have with the americans. >> so what's in it for america, and what does it mean for any hope of a two state solution? daniel levy is president of the u.s. middle east project and was an advisor in the government of prime minister ehud barak, who put forward the most far reaching israeli proposal at the doomed camp david summit nearly a quarter of a century ago. daniel levy, welcome to the program. from a western perspective, or a negotiator perspective, or your knowledge of america, do you have any explanation at all for what was said from the white house? >> we do. >> know that the son in law, jared kushner, has. >> talked in those.

>> riviera terms about. gaza in the past. the israeli press is telling us that these are ideas that israel, netanyahu's confidant, minister ron dermer. >> has taken. >> to the white house. >> that's been reported. >> quite widely in the israeli press. we know that sometimes this president wants to say outlandish things and they'll say, well, maybe i'll drop this plan if you give me something else. i don't think you can appease him on this. so i do think we're left with scratching our heads, trying to understand how on earth if he's serious. and by the way, if the main question being asked after an american president. makes a major statement is, is he serious? >> something's already gone. >> wrong here. but if he is serious, how on earth does he think that. >> this will be done? the resilience. >> of the palestinian people, which we see could. >> not contrast more starkly with his words, the. >> steadfastness of the resistance. >> al-qassam brigades. >> of hamas have. >> replenished their numbers. >> you're going to have to fight. >> your way to achieving this. >> are we going to.

>> see american. >> body bags? is this. >> the priority of a second term trump administration? because that's what it would mean if you want to see this happen, you're going to absolutely have to prioritize. be on the ground in israel, the messianic extremist camp are giddy with excitement today. and these are the guys, i think you could call them. the apartheid is not enough. like keeping the palestinians in this separate unequal conditions isn't enough because they're still physically there. so these ben-gvir, smotrich, they've all come out warmly, embraced it, and they are saying, yes, now we can see it through. so even if america doesn't do it, you will have a significant cohort in israel who are saying he is now kosher. the idea that we have permanently promoted, we must do this. but if they try, if they climb up this ladder, will america be there or will they turn around and realize that this reliance on an omnipotent us is going to fall flat? but i think many israelis have woken up today not out of concern for

palestinians, but out of concern that this empowers the most extreme element in their country, and therefore they are worried. >> and trump has said that in a month, i think he said he will announce whether he allows israel to annex the west bank. i mean, does that formula even work? can trump as the american president, allow a land grab? i mean, how does it work? >> let's deconstruct that. right. so if israel takes over and this is where it's quite a clear fault line, if you take it over two states is off the table, israel's taking it off the table. america is taking. >> it off. do you think it's off the table anyway? >> i think it was off the table in significant measure with the guidelines of this government and with everything that has gone on, if that's off the table, then you either have permanent, separate and unequal apartheid or you have the physical removal. when we get into this kind of a zero sum place, right, when ethnic cleansing is put on the table as

legitimate, you're in really dangerous, treacherous territory because it may start with the idea that the palestinians should be removed, but the israelis are making themselves un absorbable in this region. >> daniel levy, thank you very much indeed. coming up, as trump opens the door to annexation of the occupied west bank, from my archive, the roots of israel's far right extremist settler movement there. when we come back. >> cnn presents. >> hbo's real time. >> with bill. >> maher tonight. >> at eight on cnn. >> known for pursuing your passions? no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer. fda approved for 17 types of cancer, including certain early stage and advanced cancers. one of those cancers is early stage non-small cell lung cancer. keytruda may be used with certain chemotherapies before surgery. when you have early

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>> nothing is what it seems in the lockerbie story. >> lockerbie. >> the bombing of pan am flight 103, february. >> 16th. >> on cnn. >> welcome back. before laying out his plans for gaza, donald trump was asked by reporters in the oval office whether he'd support israel's annexation of the occupied west bank. his reply? >> well, i'm not going to talk about that. it certainly is a small it's a small country in terms of land, i take. see this pen, this wonderful pen. my desk is the middle east. and this pen, the top of the pen. that's israel. that's not good, right? you know, that's a pretty big difference. i use that as an analogy. it's pretty accurate, actually. it's a it's a pretty small piece of land. and it's amazing that they've been able to do what they've been able to do. when you think about it, there's a lot of good, smart brainpower. but it is a very small piece of land, no question about it. >> as he did in his first term, trump broke with american policy

and opened the door to israel, annexing the west bank. and it comes as settlers and israeli forces have ramped up their violence against palestinians and their land. there. back in 2007, i reported a series called god's warriors on the intersection between religion and politics. so we thought it instructive to revisit the origins of the settler movement in the west bank. six days that changed history. the 1967 six-day war. it put the heartland of biblical judaism under israeli control. hanan porat wanted to make sure it stayed that way. >> he knew we. >> felt this. >> was the time to seize the. >> moment. >> he and a small group of religious activists began planning a return to the land.

his parents once farmed a community called kfar etzion in the now occupied west bank. >> we were returning home and fulfilling the prophecy. >> but the israeli government was divided. trade the captured land for peace or keep it and build jewish settlements. but would settlements even be legal? in researching his book the accidental empire, gershom gorenberg discovered in israel's archives these documents marked top secret, written in september 1967 by foreign ministry lawyer theodor meron. the memos are a warning that civilian settlement contravenes the explicit provisions of the fourth geneva convention, which protects people living under occupation. >> it means that it violated

international law. >> but if theodor meron legal opinion was correct, how is it that israelis would build as many as 250 settlements and outposts in the middle of arab land? >> the legal adviser. >> of the foreign ministry doesn't tell us how to defend our lives. >> president shimon peres, one of israel's longest serving and highest ranking politicians, initially supported settlements. are you saying theodor meron was wrong? >> i don't. >> know if. >> he was right or wrong from a legal point of view, but he was wrong from a pragmatic point of view. israel was under a steady attack all the time. >> so just to help me understand this, for the israeli leadership at the time, pragmatism triumphed over international law. >> what you. call pragmatism was in. >> our eyes. you just said

pragmatism. >> pragmatism in the sense of security, of defending our lives. yes. >> president peres now says getting rid of most of the settlements is key to a lasting peace. israel's official position is that its settlements do not violate international law. it calls the west bank disputed territory not occupied because it says it was never a recognized independent country. >> the real problem is you can call it pragmatic, you can call it legal. was the war over? it was not. >> 40 years later, we spoke to theodor meron, a holocaust survivor who became one of the world's most respected authorities on international law. he stands by his top secret memos to the israeli leaders. >> you can justify a lot. >> of things. >> on grounds of.

>> security, but you cannot. >> settle your. population in occupied territories. >> no doubt in your mind, no doubt, no wiggle room in the law. >> not really. >> certainly when somebody can present you the torah and the bible and say, look, this is our land, then any man made law is in confrontation with god's law. >> i cannot argue with the word of god. any lawyer. can only. >> discuss things from. >> the secular perspective. >> in other. >> words. >> i do not believe that the religion can resolve legal disputes. >> but to religious activists, god's law trumped all others. hanan porat went ahead with his plan to resettle kfar etzion. sympathetic government officials downplayed it with a cover story that it was a legally authorized military post. and that's what the sign out front said. >> everybody knew this was no military post. it was all just.

>> a show. >> so the settlers took down the sign and used it as a doormat. >> she that. >> tells you how we. >> felt as people who were there. >> as civilians and not as soldiers. >> another group of jews went to hebron and rented rooms in an arab owned hotel. it was just for a few days of religious study and to celebrate passover, or so they said. >> are you. >> asking if they misled the government? there's no doubt it was a political trick. >> the people who led this effort made it very clear that the reason that they were doing it is that they wanted to have rome to remain under israeli rule. >> when the jews announced they were staying this time, israeli officials worried there would be a confrontation with hebron's arab residents. the settlers eventually agreed to move just outside the city, temporarily,

but over time that temporary compromise became a permanent settlement. kiryat arba population today 7000. >> the decision to let them stay was essentially a victory for the settlers, and a defeat for those in the government who opposed the move. >> it would take another war in 1973 to transform the small band of settlers into a religious and political mass movement that would change the face of the holy land. this time, israel fought an uphill battle after a surprise attack by arab armies on the jewish holy day, yom kippur even though victorious israelis now felt vulnerable, a certain complacency had set in after the 1967 victory in israel. religious historian karen armstrong. israelis thought they were invincible.

this gave them a real shock, and they felt acutely their isolation. and among the religious it was felt that secular zionism had failed. god's jewish warriors claim to have the solution. an all out campaign to settle the west bank. the question is, will that settlement movement get the approval of the most important power in the world, the united states? donald trump said this week that they would be making an announcement on that very issue over the next four weeks. now, after a break, we go to the movies, oscar nominated ones. my letter from london with actor mikey madison on becoming a nora, the sex worker from brooklyn who falls for the son of a russian oligarch. >> that's one of the things i love about this character is that she has this amazing fighting spirit. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you? next saturday at nine on cnn.

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>> i'm ivan. >> it was really weird. >> and i. >> love him. >> no way. yes way. >> and i'm seeing him again tonight. >> i don't want to ever try to measures reason. >> will you marry me? >> seriously? >> seriously? >> three carats. >> what about for. >> mikey? madison, who plays annie, has been nominated for best actress at every major awards ceremony. and with less than a month till the academy awards, she joined me here in london to discuss the film and her flourishing hollywood career. mikey madison, welcome to our program. >> oh, thank you for having me. >> so tell me you've just won. i think the breakthrough performer of the year at the critics circle. and of course, congrats on the oscar nomination for best actress. how was taking on this role of honora? and you like you went as annie in the film? >> yeah, i mean, it's kind of a dream come true for an actor to play such a complicated,

interesting person and also someone who is so far away from who i am and my my universe. and so for me to be able to experience so many different things, but through the safety net of this character, it's like it's like a dream for a shy girl like me. um, and so i loved it. i loved all the research, all the physical preparation, all the, the emotional preparation i did. yeah. >> so we're going to play a clip. >> no, i know, it's like. >> i got. >> a kid who wants someone who speaks russian. >> you know, jimmy, the girls and i have been talking. and if your cousin doesn't start showing us some respect, we're not going to tip out anymore. >> all right. >> i'll talk. >> to him. >> what are you talking about? the dj. >> all right. >> seriously. >> i shared my playlist with him, and he was very rude and dismissive. >> you're killing me. >> let's go. >> come on. >> no, no, i'm eating my food. >> so from the get go, you are your own person, and you're very

clear about your boundaries. the character speaks some russian, certainly understands russian. as you said, a sex worker. so what was the prep for that? >> well, just in terms of the language, that was not a language i spoke before filming or had ever attempted to speak. so i spoke, you know, months of russian language sessions. i worked with an incredible dialect dialect coach who also worked on our film. i wanted to know the nuance of how each word sounds, how it feels to say it, what my what the other actors are saying to me. >> so how did you prepare for the the intimate scenes and the raunchy scenes? >> well, you know, i did a lot of research into sex work because i think i went into my preparation of the film really not knowing much about that community or what what that profession is like, and it completely opened up my eyes and i was able to we had consultants

that were brought into the film. they're consulting us on their profession, on what they've done. and so these women who have similar lived experience to my character, i was able to just talk like woman to woman and pick their brains. and they offered so much insight and nuance into what that kind of work is like. and so i think that that just opened up my mind. um, and that's how i was able to film, film, all of those scenes. i mean, i was i was very comfortable. i mean, sean baker is just he's a wonderful, lovely person. and sammy kwan and that whole production, you know, their priority is safety, comfortability. like they want everyone to have a wonderful time making their films. and that sentiment was really echoed. it was such a positive experience for me. >> i want to play another clip and it's essentially fast forward from there, from the first one and you end up marrying vanya, ivan and not something that his parents are

thrilled about, and they try to get you to split up. here is a scene on the tarmac where you are in no uncertain terms, your character, annie, is telling them where to go. >> you are getting on this plane and you are getting divorced. >> yeah, we're going to get a divorce. but first i'm getting a lawyer, then i'm going to sue ivan and. >> you. >> and i'm going. >> to walk. >> away with half because i didn't sign a prenup. >> i mean, you're taking control of your life right there. >> well, you know, i i've always seen annie as someone who is very sure of herself and her place in the world. it's just other people who question it. and she's, you know, really mistreated just because of what she does for a living. but she is a fighter. she that's one of the things i love about this character is that she has this amazing fighting spirit, and she will fight tooth and nail physically and emotionally, to

fight for what she believes is hers, or the life that she's been welcomed into. >> the. interestingly, though, you talk about, um, it was hard to summon the tears that were required in that final scene because it was there was it was emotional. it was sad. and your whole film had been projecting toughness, your whole character throughout the film. the breakthrough came from something deeply personal. an old voicemail from your father. >> well, it was, you know, he sent years ago. my dad, my sweet dad, sent me a voicemail during a time where i, you know, i needed some hopefulness, and i, i just he said the things that i needed to hear, you know, he he just talked about seeing a lot of hope in my, in my future. that's basically what it said. and we played it and we all listened to it. and i think just the intimacy of listening to that voicemail, really, it just

grounded all of us, brought us to kind of more of like a raw uncomfortable place. like we were all kind of on edge. and so then we shot the scene and there was just some different energy to it. >> and sean baker apparently created this around you, this, this character. >> and it's pretty. >> that's that's not bad for any. >> actor. >> um. >> much less a young one. >> yeah. i had never had that experience before. i had never had a director want to write something for me. and, um, so it was it was very exciting. i had to really quickly, like, let go of, try as much as possible to let go of my impostor syndrome of like, why did he choose me? i kind of feel like all my dreams are coming through true a little bit, which is like, i don't know, maybe there's woods somewhere and all. yeah, knock on. >> it, knock on it. but what a great place to be thinking your dreams are coming true. it's great. congratulations. >> thanks. >> thank you. madison. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> she's one to watch coming

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year's grammys. the celebration last week showed the music industry paying tribute to the city's perseverance during the wildfires, and millions of dollars were raised. l.a. firefighters even came on stage to present the biggest award album of the year to beyonce. it was a night to celebrate resilience and creativity, a dominant theme in another grammy winner, american symphony by jon batiste. he picked up two gongs for this musical documentary. it's about him creating a symphony for his wife, suleika, who was undergoing cancer treatment. and jon batiste told me what music means to them both. when i spoke to him shortly after the film was released. >> music is. >> a manifestation of the ancestors the past. it's in the present, but we also using it to create the future. and if you think about music as a tool and you envision the future, that the way you want it to be, you have intentions. you have ways of using art to create those

intentions into reality. they become the thing that drives the way that you you frame reality, that the context of how you live and how you see the world, how you treat other people. that's a superpower. >> a message of hope in times of tragedy and hardship. tomorrow, batiste will perform one of music's most visible and challenging moments in the sun. returning to his hometown, new orleans, to sing the national anthem at this year's super bowl. that's all we have time for, though. don't forget, you can find all our programs online as podcasts at cnn.com, slash audio, and on all other major platforms. i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching and see you again next wee