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6 a.m. here on the east coast, that's a live look of the superdome in new orleans. you might notice the home of last night's super bowl is green. green, of course, for the eagles after they walked out victorious. good morning everyone. i'm jim sciutto in for kasie hunt. wonderful to have you with us. we are now entering the fourth week of the second trump administration. and even on super bowl weekend, you cannot help but notice where he is and what he's doing. last night, president trump officially became the first sitting president to attend a super bowl in person. he was seen once on the broadcast during the national anthem. even on the way to the game, he stayed in front of the cameras, holding a press conference while flying over a body of water. he wants to rename gulf of america. they even brought a poster, also adding his to his flurry of executive orders with more promises to add tariffs on imports to the u.s. >> we'll also be announcing

steel tariffs on monday. >> this to tomorrow. >> monday? yeah. >> tomorrow. what countries will those go on? >> everybody. >> steel including canada and mexico. >> any steel coming into the united states is going to have a 25% tariff. >> what about aluminum, sir? >> aluminum to. >> while trump stays in front of the cameras. it is what is happening behind the scenes and in federal courtrooms which could decide wide ranging impacts to the federal government. as his chief election supporter and donor, elon musk continues to take a sledgehammer to u.s. agencies. now, a lawsuit filed by 19 democratic attorneys general seems to be playing catch up with one of the president's sweeping actions over the weekend, a u.s. district judge ordered musk's doge team to suspend access to a sensitive treasury payment system, which processes more than $5 trillion in payments every year. he also ordered the team to destroy any

information it had collected since the inauguration. elon musk is lashing out with baseless accusations against the judge, writing, quote, a corrupt judge protecting corruption. he needs to be impeached now, end quote, the vice president followed musk's lead, saying in part, quote, judges are not allowed to control the executive's legitimate power, and the president himself seems to be completely on board with wherever the world's richest man decides to turn his attention next. >> what elon and his group of geniuses have found is unbelievable. it's unbelievable. and that's just in. usaid. soon we're going into education. it'll you'll find the same thing, but bigger. soon we're going into the military and you're going to find a lot of bad things happening there. >> joining me now to discuss stephen collinson, cnn senior politics reporter megan hayes, former white house director of message planning on a joe biden. matt gorman, former adviser to

tim tim scott's presidential campaign. tim, i wonder when you listen to the vice president of the united states say, we don't like what this judge is doing here. you're aware of how the constitution works. there are three branches. there are checks and balances. et cetera. and courts have the ability to to challenge decisions, even by the executive. and the response, at least as i understand it, and i'm not a lawyer, is if you don't like that decision, you appeal. but i wonder, should we take this as a message that trump and team are willing to defy the courts if they don't like what the courts tell them that's for you. oh. >> sorry, i thought i thought you said tim, i apologize. i no, no no, look. oh, yeah. no. clearly this they disagree with the ruling and they will fight it. and look, we have to look no further than the last administration that when the supreme court ruling came down on student loans, joe biden bragged about it. they tried to

stop me, and i found a way around it. so i assumed that the trump team will likely do the same. this this time around, i think we can. i vehemently disagree with the ruling here. i mean, with totally within the executive branch's power to do this sort of thing, but i would expect them to comply. but then find a way legally to remedy it while they're appealing. >> megan, i wonder, do you agree? do you see that they're running this through the process as folks do, or as biden did? or do you see something different here? >> i don't think they're going to run it through the process. i do think that they're just going to ignore these rulings, and i think that they're going to be fought in court, and it's still going to, you know, the judges are still going to put stuff down. it's probably going to go all the way to the supreme court, and they're still going to do what they want to do. i think that's pretty evident in the way that they are doing things that they're not really concerned about the legality or the constitution, if it's constitutional or not. so i don't agree, and i do think that the student loan thing is a tad bit different. it wasn't the entire government. there were a lot of different factors there that, you know, we could sit here and argue the, um, the

legalities on that as well. but when people are showing over and over again that they are not willing to follow the constitution, i think that this is in the law, then i think this is what's going to happen. >> stephen, you wrote about this overnight saying, quote, multiple courts have now stepped in to temporarily halt trump and musk's plans, but everything is trending toward one of the most significant showdowns over the scope of presidential power in modern history, which is destined for a supreme court whose conservative majority has an expansive view of executive authority. they do have an expansive view of executive authority, but they're also conscious of their own power and the power of courts. and i wonder, would this supreme court be comfortable with an administration who just says, i'm not, i'm not going to listen to the courts. >> if you look at the past pronouncements of the chief justice, john roberts, i don't think so. but all of it, of course, depends on how you can get the majority inside the conservative majority of the supreme court. i do think what the administration is trying to

do is to actually initiate a lot of these court fights very early. they know they're going to get challenged, and a lot of the things they do in executive power, the thinking, i think, is that if you get, say, 45% or 50% of favorable rulings from the supreme court, eventually you still have changed the structure of government and the size of presidential power. and as meghan was saying in the meantime, from the republicans point of view, you can do a lot. while these challenges are pending, simply freezing government could be an end in itself. if you dismantle large parts of u.s. aid before the court challenges happen. even if the supreme court came back and said, well, that was illegal, u.s. aid has gone away, and there's very little chance that a republican congress will reconstitute it. so there's a double pronged political and legal strategy going on here. >> let's take a look at some new polling about trump's first

days in office. new cbs poll finds the president 53% approval rating. that, we should note, is among the highest he's ever had. going back to his first term. however, when those same people were asked, the question, is trump spending enough time on lowering prices? two thirds said, effectively, no. and i wonder, matt, given how central inflation and high prices were in this election, uh, is that dangerous for this president? >> i mean, not yet. clearly not, because that's i mean, that's the highest approval rating he's ever had that i can remember 53% in 2017. he would kill for that. um, look, i mean, you know, inflation in the economy is certainly a big part of why he was elected. it wasn't the only part, but i think that a lot of that will come in this reconciliation package, i think, is likely to make its way through the house. at least we have intel from coming from friday in fairly short order. so i think a lot of what can be done by executive

order is, you know, essentially disassembling the administrative state and things that can be done without congressional approval, the things that will likely lower prices and do that sort of thing, at least in large measure, will have to be done through congress. and that process is ongoing. >> well, i'm trying to understand what's going to lower prices, actually. i mean, tariffs from an economic economists perspective raise prices. journal had a story the other day about how consumer sentiment is such that they actually expect prices to rise themselves, and the predictions are going from 3 to 4%. so so what what's going to lower prices? >> actually a couple of things. i mean, i feel like i feel like every time on mondays we have these conversations where there's new tariffs talked about over the weekend. look this is a negotiating tool. we've seen this over and over again, whether it's columbia and canada and mexico i think these steel tariffs again, as we deal with the nippon steel uh, imbroglio to figure out who's going to own this sort of thing. it's certainly a bargaining

chip. i think that's going to happen. i think what we've seen with energy, i think that is a major thing. that's why lindsey graham wanted to get some of the defense reconciliation done. first, lowering energy prices will lower the ability for trucks and and flights and boats and everything like that on the road or in the air or on the water to be able to get our products cheaper to the store. and that's the first part of all of this. >> okay, megan, does that math add up to, you. >> know, and i think that this administration is going to learn what the last administration learned, and you can't dictate prices to corporations and to companies. you can't lower prices by dictating them. so unless they're going to take real tax cuts for the middle class and not just wealthy people and not at all these different, you know, different things that are only going to benefit billionaires, then they are not going to lower costs for the average person and for the working class. and these tariffs are for sure not going to lower prices in any meaningful way. for anybody that really needs lower prices at the grocery store. >> well, we'll know we'll have some numbers. my panel will be back. coming up on cnn this morning. elon musk targeting yet

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education. he's going to find the same thing. then i'm going to go go to the military. let's check the military. >> it's a big budget at the department of defense. panel is back. matt, i just wonder, let's flip the script for a moment. a democratic president has a powerful donor, unelected, who is given fiat power basically to run through every government agency and budget, access personal information, make, in effect, spending decisions that were previously made by congress, right with the power of the purse. what would be republicans reaction to that? >> well, i would say, first of all, that that has been abdicated by congress for i would say much less 20 years, right? this has been a creeping thing that congress has ceded control over both administrations. you can go back, i mean, shorthand to at least 2014, the second obama term, where he talked about a phone and a pen. but really, this congressional authority has been receding in this area for a long time. again, i think what jd vance said this the other

weekend, i think it's true trump hasn't hit the ball in any of this. we could have been talking about this in october as just as we're talking about it in february. right. he was very clear what he wanted to do. and he had people that tried to do this in 2017. they didn't have their act together at that point. then i think this is not a case where he hid the ball for up until election day and all of a sudden trotted this out. if you knew what he was looking to do and you paid attention, this is not a surprise. that's why you see the ratings as a cbs poll that came out yesterday are what they are yeah. >> i mean, i don't remember during the campaign, megan hayes, him announcing broad powers for elon musk if he were to win. but but i wonder more substantively, substantively from a democrats perspective, what substantive work in your view, are democratic lawmakers doing to stand in the way of the measures, the steps, the decisions that they consider bridges too far?

>> i don't see them doing a lot. i see a lot of outside legal organizations filing lawsuits like democracy forward and the the ags. you saw filing lawsuits. i think those are the people who are ready, and those are the people who are paying attention during the campaign. it seems like the democratic lawmakers are caught a little bit flat footed here. i'm not sure what they can do and what's within their power, but i do think that you will see, especially democrats in the house, start to step up as they start to negotiate the reconciliation bill and some of these big measures that, you know, donald trump wants to get through. that is where they have leverage, and that is where they have their power to do something here. so i think legally, i don't think that they're doing very much right now. but hopefully in the next couple of weeks, we'll see more from them. >> yeah. stephen, i think flat footed seems fair, right? because the speed of these measures and exactly how they've been carried out. right. it is clear that this administration did its homework prior. it knew what levers, buttons to push, et cetera., to move quickly on on these measures. i wonder why democratic lawmakers weren't

thinking in a similar frame of mind. >> i think there was a period of mourning after they lost this election. the party was in disarray, but the problem they have is every time they stand up and say, defend us aid or the consumer bureau, they are defending a government that millions of americans believe is not serving them. so it sounds like a good argument inside the beltway. but to american, many americans, what donald trump is doing, it looks like action. it looks like somebody finally in washington is starting to shred the federal government, which many people view skeptically. i think once the impacts of all of this start to play out, that's when democrats may have a bigger case. you saw a couple of weeks ago when that freeze in consumer spending came into force temporarily, as soon as government services started getting withdrawn, the democrats had a bigger argument. but i think that the white house, as you mentioned, they're acting with great speed. they realize

and it's a truism, i think, of washington in recent years, that when you have power, you have to use it very quickly, because sometimes because of the divided nature of the country, it doesn't last very long. so i think that's one reason why the white house is stressing all of these executive actions, taking aim at government rather than necessarily prioritizing prices because they may not have power in congress in two years time. >> yeah. i wonder, matt, do you see dangers here? i mean, consumer financial protection bureau not i would guess, that most americans don't know what it does, but what it does do is it tries to keep people from getting scammed. right. and there are loads of scams out there, right? and they they are alive and well without it. one could imagine there might be more scams. right? so i wonder from your perspective and that's just one example. are you concerned at all about when and how these effects will be felt? and folks will say, wait a second. actually, i missed that. i mean, you could say the same for usaid. and i know there's

been a lot of talk, some frankly false about, say, $100 million for condoms in gaza, which is just not true. but usaid does deliver aids medications, saves lives to millions of people in africa. when folks see the effects of that. do you see any danger for this administration? >> well, i think i think steven makes a good point. right. they're testing the limits of what they can. you know, what is politically palatable and what's not. i think i think that domestic spending freeze about a week or two ago was a pretty good example of them understanding, kind of hitting the fence, like, maybe we have to back out from that. but look, i mean, i think it's politically advantageous and i think it's i'm willing to fight on the battle of, you know, bureaucrats and foreign aid. i mean, even rahm emanuel, david axelrod, who folks don't often disagree with. i agree with our party. so these are savvy moves. these are politically palatable moves. and again, you start getting domestic spending. that's a different equation. and i think that's also i think meghan and steven's point previously why you can do some of these things and wait for the courts to sort it out and get maybe, you know, 50, 60% of what you want instead of the whole thing.

>> yeah. rahm emanuel, david axelrod, as i said, in effect, not the hill i'm going to die on at this point, talking, talking about foreign aid. so so, megan, what is the hill to die on at this point for for democrats? what is what is the message issue that they should be focusing on? >> i think that the democrats should be focused on what message they are going to get out to the voters for the midtermsbecause if they do not get control back of the house, then that's one less. that's one less opportunity. they have to stop some of these things that donald trump's administration wants to do. so if i were democrats, i would be focusing on a central message and how we can win our voters back, and how we can talk to our base again and how we can really control power and bring, you know, costs down for the middle class in a real, actionable way. i think some of a lot of this stuff is noise. i think, you know, the consumer protection bureau does do a lot of things with junk prices and with when credit card late fees and those types of things, which is beneficial to middle class voters and middle class people. so i do think that that will be, you know, people will feel that

eventually, but those aren't things that people are going to feel right now in their pocketbooks. so democrats need to focus on the right now, and that is getting a cohesive message and getting that out to to middle, the middle of the country that, you know, actually these things are impactful too. >> yeah. and maybe not just assume that people know. right. sort of take it for granted. they got to you got to make the case right. you got to make the case. and that holds for a consumer financial bureau as much as it does for for foreign aid panel. do stick around. i still got more questions for you this morning. straight ahead on cnn this morning, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy says he is ready to negotiate with russia what exactly he wants in return to end russia's ongoing invasion. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you? saturday at nine on cnn. >> over half a million people with afib have left blood thinners behind, with watchmen,

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and a show, huh? how about that? >> a little bit of a throwback there. the halftime show also generated a lot of buzz, to say the least. a star spangled banner. samuel l jackson introduced the headliner, kendrick lamar. the rapper taking a victory lap one week after he won five grammys for his drake diss track not like us. >> yeah, i'm trippin. >> i'm slidin. i'm riding through the back like buck. mustard on a beat. deep. both in he a freak though, man. damn. call an ambulance. tell em breathe. they not like us. no, they not like us. what? >> how about that cameo? tennis star serena williams dancing along on stage. also adding to the spectacle, donald trump became the first sitting u.s. president to attend a super bowl. let's go live to new orleans and bring in cnn chief media analyst brian stelter. brian, good to have you. looked like you celebrated a little bit

as well. you got your beads. um, tell me. >> about it. and trump's. >> omnipresence. right. you've been writing about this. i mean, not just at the game. daily press conferences. he's front and center. it seems, by design. >> yeah. you know, the only show bigger than the trump show right now is the super bowl. so it makes perfect sense that he wanted to be here, that he wanted to be a part of it. you know, if the super bowl represents so much about america, from the combat to the commercials, you know, trump wants to be part of that. he wants to be in the center of the action. and my seats happen to be right across from him. so i was watching him last night. it was really notable to me two things. number one, nobody else around me cared that he was there, but there were more cheers and boos when he was shown on the jumbotron. he was only showed once. he wasn't on camera very often, at least not in the in the inside the superdome. but he was actually soaking it up, taking it all in, sitting in his seat next to his daughter ivanka. he had lots of well-wishers coming over to say hi, but he was actually enjoying the game. now he was reportedly rooting for the chiefs, not the

eagles. so i'm sorry, mr. president, to disappoint you. he did leave at halftime, so he missed the end of the game. and jim i can't get through this segment pretending to be totally objective. i was here for the eagles. so i'll put on the i'll put on the green instead. >> i did notice you were wearing some green. i surmised you might be an eagles fan and you know more power to you. as hard as it is for this giants fan to say that i celebrate. i mean, they were great. they were just a far better team on the field. how about the halftime show? because, you know, it's funny, i was talking to my kids about this before. they were aware the whole beef kendrick lamar, drake. and there was a lot of talk as to whether he would pull punches. he did not pull punches last night at all. >> no, he swung some new ones. this was not a sing along halftime show. it was a story. it was a narrative. it was a visual spectacle and light. and even if you didn't know the songs, even if you didn't know the words and the lyrics, at least you were. you were able to soak up the energy and take away some of that message. now, i do

think, you know, it's a little bit like the eagles winning. it was a polarizing performance. people either loved it or didn't love it at all. and so there's lots of social media chatter about that. i think kendrick lamar probably embraces that and likes that. and then at the end there, his his lyric at the end, he said, turn off the tv, turn off the tv. you know, kind of referencing what this game represents, you know, the consumerism of it all, the capitalism of it all. i'm not going to say turn off the tv, but it was a good it was an interesting moment where he was taking advantage of the platform in order to critique it, you know what i mean? and that's always interesting. and that's what kendrick lamar always wants to do. he always wants to use the opportunity and then make a point with it. >> secret service, they aired a recruitment ad inside the superdome. notable. we're going to play a quick clip of it. i want to get your thoughts on the other side. >> protectors are born. they're not made america's secret service protecting this super

bowl is asking a few more to step forward. >> secret service spent $2 million to produce that spot. michael bay directed it. i mean, that's a that's a lot of money in in what is, i thought, a budget cutting time. >> and the argument is they'll have the ownership of the rights to this for five years. they'll be able to use this all over the place. some have commented that it's strange to use scenes of when the secret service failed to protect, in order to recruit people to protect in the future, but obviously, the overarching message was about patriotism and serving the country. and we saw that, i think, in a number of different ways throughout the other commercials that were airing during the game. interesting problem, though, for fox, because this game was so lopsided, this is probably not going to be the highest rated super bowl ever. you know, a lot of people probably tuned out at halftime or after as this was becoming more of a blowout. so for all the advertisers that do pay that record $8 million, they might not have actually quite gotten their money's worth. jim, because this was such a lopsided game. some of us loved it. but yes, a polarizing outcome to the

super bowl. we'd say. >> will you give this giants fan just a little bit of gratitude for saquon barkley? i think. you know, he probably made a little difference for you this year. >> i think that's absolutely right. i treated this as a once in a lifetime trip. you know, if you're an eagles fan, you assume this will never happen again. >> well, 2 in 7 years. not bad. brian stelter more power to you and the eagles. appreciate you joining us this morning. >> thanks thanks. >> up ahead just after the break president trump says he has spoken with vladimir putin. now volodymyr zelenskyy is expected to meet with vice president vance this week. can all sides get to the negotiation negotiating table to bring an end to russia's ongoing invasion of ukraine? plus, the president is not backing down from his wish to make canada the 51st state. >> i don't think. >> there's any plans to invade. >> canada. >> but there is. a lot of people that like what we have in the united states and do not like the last ten years of liberal

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putin, in an interview with the new york post. trump confirmed he's spoken with putin on several occasions, although he did not make clear if trump spoke to putin before or after taking office in january. trump did not offer any more clarity when asked by reporters. >> well, you don't want to tell us about your conversation with president putin, but can you clarify whether you have that since you've been since you've been in office, or whether it happened before you became? i've had it. >> let's just say i've. >> had it. >> and i and i expect to have many more conversations. we have to get that war ended. it's going to end, and we have to get it ended, and we have to get it ended soon. it should have never happened, would have never happened if i was president. >> president. >> of course, the other quite important part of this equation is ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy. zelenskyy is expected to meet this week with the vice president, jadee moncur vance, at the munich security conference. zelenskyy is signaling he is ready for talks if his country can get

security guarantees. as ukraine approaches the three year anniversary of russia's full scale invasion. >> jia cobb human bullet. >> if i had an understanding that america and europe would not abandon us and that they would support us and provide security guarantees, i would be ready for any format of negotiations. >> joining me now to discuss jill dougherty, cnn contributor, former cnn moscow bureau chief. jill, good to have you. just quite a simple question. trump. very coy about when how many times he talked to putin. that is not normal for a president typically state to state conversations are not only confirmed, but also there are readouts of these calls. how unusual is it? and is there any reason why trump will not say if, when, why he's spoken with the russian leader? >> well, i think there are a couple of reasons. one is that, you know, he doesn't want to go there. he doesn't want to be specific. he may have had

contact in the past. it's very unclear, but i think it's interesting to watch what the russians say. and yesterday, the press secretary for putin said, well, you know, there are a lot of contacts. i may have missed something. so i can neither confirm nor deny. and then i just read another quote from a senior official in the foreign ministry saying, well, there are contacts. and he said between the foreign policy departments of both countries and the process is underway. so i think you can probably surmise from this that maybe there were contacts. directly recently between the two presidents. maybe or maybe not. but there is some process underway that the foreign policy people on both sides are somehow communicating. and we know that we're headed for some type of probably some type of negotiations. but this

is really complicated. >> yeah. we're showing pictures there of the famous or infamous meeting between trump and putin in helsinki in 2018, when trump notably took putin's side regarding u.s. intel assessments of russia's interference in the 2016 election. we're getting some outlines of the trump administration plan for ukraine, as spearheaded by keith kellogg, his envoy, which seems to include territory as it stands in, in other words, freeze the lines where they are and give ukraine some sort of security guarantees. do we do we have any more details as to what those guarantees would be, and what else might be included in a deal? of course, with the proviso none of this is agreed until the sides agree. >> exactly. and we don't know what the administration specifically is proposing. i mean, there's a lot of talk right now in the foreign policy community actually being pretty

specific about outlining. how could you do this? but we don't know what the administration exactly wants to do. i mean, look at some of the issues. you have an enormous border that would have to be protected if there were some type of ceasefire. does everything stop, you know, on that line? do you have international peacekeepers? russia might not be that happy about that. who comes in? you know, would american troops go in? that's, you know, another thing that might be on the table? not likely, but maybe. and then you have what happens to sanctions? you know, russia is probably the most sanctioned country in the world right now. putin wants those sanctions gone asap. does that happen? and then there are all, you know, all sorts of other sides to this. >> yeah, the french president, notably a few months ago, offered at least the possibility of french forces there. again, you know, big difference between saying that and actually

following through. another interesting element has been zelenskyy saying publicly that he might offer the u.s. access to key minerals, rare earths that ukraine has, perhaps as a sweetener. i mean, it's interesting because it seems that zelenskyy is perhaps accurately perceiving that if he can give trump something, trump might be more likely to give him what he wants, which is security from a russian invasion. >> yeah, i think that rare earths, minerals idea is probably the most, let's say, transactional and possible. it is interesting because, you know, trump is talking about this. zelenskyy is saying, yes, i agree. and essentially what it would be, although we don't know the details here either would be some type of access by the united states to those, uh, stores that they have underground in ukraine. a lot of these really valuable minerals

that are extremely important to the modern digital economy, you know, like, um, yeah, lithium batteries, things like that. and so that is something i think that trump could actually hang on to as a specific thing that could help the united states get free of china, or at least help to get free china, because china is a country that produces those minerals. >> no question. a stranglehold to some degree on some of these rare earths. jill dougherty, thanks so much. always good to have you on. all right. so we're 55 minutes past the hour. here's your morning roundup. president trump is ordering the treasury to stop making pennies, citing high costs. according to the u.s. mint's annual report, it costs 3.7 pennies to make a penny. that's up 20% from 2023. the rising cost of metals is part of the reason it's getting more expensive to make those

little pennies. president trump freezing aid to south africa over a land law there that he claims discriminates against white farmers. officials there say his move lacks accuracy and fails to recognize the country's long history of colonialism and apartheid. a lot of folks are dismissing president trump's threat to annex canada as just bluster, but justin trudeau is not one of them. listen to the canadian prime minister caught on a hot mic at a business meeting just on friday. >> mr. trump has it in mind that one of the easiest ways of doing that is to absorbing our country, and it is the real thing a real thing, absorbing an entire country. >> it's a rather remarkable statement from the canadian prime minister. it appears to be spot on because president trump, not backing off. >> is it a real thing? >> yeah it is. i think canada

would be much better off being a 51st state because we lose $200 billion a year with canada, and i'm not going to let that happen. it's too much. why are we paying $200 billion a year essentially in subsidy to canada. now if they're a 51st state i don't mind doing. >> it. >> my panel is back stephen canada doesn't want this, neither its liberal or conservative politicians want it. the canadian public doesn't want it. it's a proud country. i live there for a year. canadians like canada. the question is how far is trump willing to go? is he willing to say, hey, i'll sink your economy if you don't join up? well. >> those new steel tariffs are going to hurt canada. what he's really achieved so far is to unite canadians. the conservative leader, the pierre poilievre, the next likely canadian prime minister, has had to. who is more in tune with trump, has had to become more nationalistic as a result. but i think there's a through line

here between what you were talking about with ukraine and some of trump's other foreign policy aspirations. canada, like ukraine, has got a lot of rare earth minerals, which are really crucial in the future economy. and guess what? so does greenland. so i think a lot of trump's thinking here is expansionist foreign policy is about this global race for these rare earth minerals, a competition between russia, china and the united states. and he sees canada, and perhaps he can get a deal there on that issue. >> but matt corman, canada is a country. it's a sovereign country. it's also a u.s. treaty ally, part of nato. it's got its own rich history hundreds of years. they're pretty good at hockey. they got their own food traditions. et cetera. you're a republican. yes, but you're also an american. is this a position an american president should be pursuing seriously? >> and they're also not going to after seeing our super bowl. they have their own. they know they have the gray cup, too, but ours is ours. so don't try and steal our super bowl day. but

no, i think steve is exactly right. right. i think this is something where this is a negotiating position in many respects. i think that's a great point on the rare earths. this is something where i think you're going to see him bluster and look, whether it's ukraine, i think, or this, it's about getting in a room, cutting a deal and selling it as a win. we've seen that over the last month, over and over and over again. i think that's a great through line with that, stephen points. >> out meghan, though the canadian prime minister is taking this seriously. danish officials are taking the threat to annex greenland seriously. do you take it seriously? >> as much as you can take donald trump seriously, which is not very much at all. i just don't think this is a real thing. it's a negotiating tactic or a negotiating tactic. i don't know that this is anything that's going to do anything but make us all talk about it. it's not a serious thing. we are not going to take another country. we're not going to take panama. we're not going to take greenland. this is just not realistic for the president to do. i think it's just a lot of talk and it gives him something to talk about, and it makes him being talked about on the news, which we're all doing, which he loves.