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to impact. >> almost immediately. but i'll be announcing the details of it. highly detailed. and it will be great for everybody, including the other countries. but if they are charging us 130% and we're charging them nothing, it's not going to stay that. >> way. >> and this is coming as trump and elon musk target more federal agencies for cuts later today. trump's so-called buyout offer is back in court. a hearing in boston could determine if it's even legal. i want to bring in cnn's jeff zeleny at the white house. so, jeff, what do we know about these new tariffs and the impact they could have? >> pamela. >> good morning. >> another week here. >> another threat of tariffs. of course, we saw that last week with mexico and canada. the president put those on hold for a month. but these are steel and aluminum tariffs some 25% or so are expected to be announced possibly later this afternoon or certainly this week. and that is primarily focusing on on u.s. steel. this is something that the president has long believed. he actually did this in his

first administration as well. you heard him talking about it there on air force one. but again, the threat of these reciprocal tariffs from some trading partners certainly is raising the question of what does this do for the long term relationships? is this going to push some of our allies into potential trading deals with china? so that is one of the questions hanging over all of this. but we know the president has long believed in this steel tariffs. we will likely see that coming. first and foremost. but pam, as you said, this is all coming as that. elon musk, movement, the department of government efficiency is really spreading throughout the government. and there is a key hearing going to be coming up in massachusetts in a federal courtroom about that so-called buyout program, if you will, that deferred resignation program. of course, the judge put that on on hold last week. so that deadline is still up in the air. and all of this is coming. as vice president jd vance is taking his first

foreign trip as vice president. but as he was flying to a paris overnight, he had some interesting words about the separation of power and government. let's look at this message that he sent out. he said if a judge tried to command the attorney general and how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also also illegal. he said judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. so, pamela, that hits at the heart of something very important here. up until now, the word constitutional crisis has been thrown out a bit by democrats, but there's no evidence that this administration has gone against any, um, the orders of the the courts that have been holding off on a lot of these administration purposes. but if the administration would ignore a ruling by a court that could certainly become that. so certainly interesting words there from the vice president as the fourth week of this administration begins in a very busy way. again, pamela. >> certainly it has been such a busy start to this administration. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. joining us now is republican congressman

pete sessions of texas. he serves on the oversight and financial services committees. thank you so much for coming on the show. congressman. so you just had jeff sort of lay out what we know so far on the tariffs. in particular, some economists warned that they could raise prices for americans. there's a new cbs poll showing a slight majority of americans do approve of what trump is doing. but in that same poll, congressman, two thirds of americans say trump is not doing enough to lower, for example, grocery prices. this is something trump promised he would do on day one, should he be doing more to lower prices right now? >> well, in fact. >> these are. >> very important. >> questions. the turning. >> of the economy. >> from where we were. >> with big. government oversight, overbearing regulation. >> is something. >> that this administration, now that they are taking charge not only with the secretary of education, but certainly the department of transportation under sean duffy is going to be

achieving things that will make regulation and the shipping and tracking of of goods and services important. but we do have to remember that this negotiation that i believe the president is involved in with mexico, perhaps canada and others, is a sign to say that we have other important issues too, including our border security. >> but on day, he said on day one, he would lower the prices. that hasn't happened. is that disappointing to you at all? >> well, i think that, pamela, you would understand that things that are already in transit, things that are already on the shelves, have a baked in price. i do believe that we will reduce not just inflation, but the cost therein. and it's it's been touted in particular by what might be called these musketeers, elon musk fans who are wanting to see the government wake up and accept

not just the things that it has been doing, but the overplay of government spending. the americans dollar. so i think that, you know, i could say, yeah, i have not seen that either. and we will hope to do that. and we in particular, we know this is with beef and eggs, food and other products, poultry products that we do want to see reduced. and i believe we will. >> all right. let's talk about, in your words, the musketeers, as you know, elon musk and his staffers have essentially unfettered access to these government agencies and their systems. other than this court order from a judge and the treasury system. can you tell us exactly what elon musk is doing inside the federal government right now, what he's accessing and what he is doing with the data? >> the department of omb, which contains the the the office for doge, is interested in coming

through government, not sweeping through, but going through government to identify not just their payment systems, but those monies that are scheduled to go out. as you know, congress has to make a determination by march the 14th of not only whether we fund the government, but how we're going to fund that government. and donald trump wants to make sure that they have a hand in saying, we're going to reduce the government here and we're going going to take payments that had been scheduled under the prior administration, out of that ongoing effort. why is this important? the same way that you just asked about donald trump since day one, he was going to reduce food prices. he was going to reduce commodities. well, the same thing is true of reducing money that's being spent by the united states government. elon musk, through the doge organization, is doing this. >> i understand that that is is what was vowed. the hope is that

doge will cut down on excesses in the government, which look a lot of people support. but should there be any limits to what elon musk and his staffers access to what they are able to do, should there be limits. >> the government has not yet put together? and what elon musk did do, what he did do is to bring into these areas people who could go into the systems that are government data, government information, and print out the information that would be necessary as a request from the president of the united states. the question about whether these people, what they were going to do with the data, where it was going to fall, we are still trying to look at also. so we're gaining a knowledge about this also from the government reform and oversight committee, and certainly me as chairman of government operations.

>> so what can you tell us? because i think a lot of americans, i'm sure you're hearing from people, are wondering, what are these people, many of them young staffers without government experience doing with my private information? i mean, as we know that they've accessed private information about, for example, those who have received disaster relief and and the dhs system. what can you tell us about that data, what they're doing with it, what they're accessing? >> yeah. well, first of all, they're not interested in anybody's particular private data because within these systems, they are payment systems of where money was going out and where they're gaining visibility and access to that. i will tell you that i believe strongly believe that the request that they had, they were not receiving positive viewpoints on people did not want to comply. so when they chose not to comply, they brought their own people in who broke into, so to speak, these

databases and provided the information we needed. and the government, uh, people, computer programmers were shocked that it could happen. so now that we've laid out some files, now that we have an understanding, think of all that we have learned about unnecessary, unwanted. and i think against the interest of the united states data, that is what an elon musk and the president and i are learning. we're learning about payments that were unnecessary and not in the best interest of the american people. >> and of course, that, as you well know, would be depending on the person looking at those payments and where they're going to, there's different opinions. but just to follow up with you, you said you emphasized access but couldn't access still create a conflict of interest concern as you as you probably know, for example, dhs, we were just talking about that musk has a contract with dhs for his

private companies. are you certain that this data that they're having access to is for government efficiency purposes only? how do you know for certain that this this access isn't being used for other reasons? for example, to get competitor info to help his a.i. projects for machine learning? i mean, how do you know that for certain well, one other question would be information. >> and that is, do you think that money that's being spent by the government, millions of dollars, unless it is for entirely a private or secret effort, should not be known by people. and i think that. >> i. >> don't think. >> anyone saying that people do want to know that people do. i think it's a question of the process and how it's being done and the lack of transparency surrounding it. >> well, let me just say this. we have we have asked for more and clear data and information about those lines of, in particular, not just privacy,

but the national security issues. and we expect to receive that. but the bottom line is, is that they need to do this to make a determination about things that will determine what we're going to spend our money on, what would be an appropriations and how we're going to fund the government moving forward. >> and i hope when you get that information, we'll come back on the show to share, because a lot of people are wondering and just to follow up with you, because the conflict of interest laws require financial disclosures, for example, he's a special government employee. he would be subject to that. would you like to see financial disclosures? would you like to see elon musk testify to your committee about the work he is doing and what he's doing with that data? >> i think that that we will get to that. and it's it will happen. what i would say sooner than later, we will be very pleased to not just clarify that relationship, but who is doing that and under what authority. and i think that these are all questions if if we intend to

have the american people see the benefit of what we're doing, it has to be above board. and that is exactly why you're asking these questions. and i owe you an answer. >> well, i appreciate you acknowledging that. thank you. and i'm just channeling in my job. i'm a vehicle for people's questions, and i know i'm hearing from a lot of people wondering all of this. and just to get a little clarity on what you said. so it sounds like you would be interested in bringing elon musk to testify to your committee. is that right? >> well, i think what's important is for us to make sure we understand the relationship that exists between him, he and and what's doge at omb is that relationship a contractual one? is that one where he has a fiduciary responsibility? we ask outside vendors to come in and gather information all the time. that then ends up in what would be the government as opposed to that person who pulled the data. and i don't understand enough at

this point to understand, is it actually elon musk that gets the data, or is it omb and i have a belief that it's omb that we hired outside government contractors. they came in and extracted the data, gave it to doge and doge, and omb will professionally use that data. that's what i choose to believe, and i believe would be a business model that i could support. >> and of course, people might ask, well, why do you believe that? what's what's the underpinning for that belief? i'll let you answer that. but i also, before we let you go, i want to ask you about usaid, because last year you voted in favor of a bill that included funding for usaid through congress. um, congress, as you know, has the power of the purse. and now that funding has been pulled by the executive branch, is that concerning to you at all? >> well, i think what's happened is, is that we have not made any

determination in congress about the application of that. we are going to take what is the lead from, once again, this data and information, if we certainly knew about the millions of dollars that was being spent the way it is, i don't think that a member of congress, or at least not a republican, would be in favor of that. so new information, new data. we're going to have to face up with this. and those are questions we ask also. >> but then someone might listening to that might follow up and say, well, didn't you vote in favor of it? why didn't you know that where the money was going? if you vote in favor of it, what would you say to that? >> well, i would say plainly that i don't know if all the information that was in the new payments, whether they were scheduled, whether they had been done for 3 or 4 years, i think republicans want to see the government work and be funded. and when you put large packages together, it's not just voting for usaid, it's voting for a lot

of other things that are important to the government. its standing, and it's moving around the world. when you separate these items, which is what is happening now. there's a separation of of not just the agencies, but of data and information that is now becoming available. we we did not go through this with a fine tooth comb. it does not happen in a large quote omnibus package. and we now have the latitude of seeing incrementally what's made up of this package. and these are all fair questions that you ask. >> thank you, congressman pete sessions, and we look forward to you coming back on the show. when you get some of that information that you are seeking in your role there for the committee. thank you so much for your time. we'll see you again soon. >> yes, ma'am. >> much more news just ahead. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you

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want to return to gaza because, in his words, it was in a it wasn't a place that anyone would be able to live, just given the destruction that has occurred there over the last more than a year. now, the president in this interview is saying this very explicitly. he was asked by bret baier, the interviewer from fox news, whether under his plan, the palestinians would have a right to return to gaza. and he said no, they wouldn't under his plan. and he goes on to say that because under his proposal, he would be building a place that would be better for them to live, much better housing. and in his words, a permanent place for them to live that they wouldn't be able to return to gaza. and i think it's significant because, as you mentioned, after the president had laid out this plan, we did hear from a number of administration officials, including the press secretary, but also the secretary of state, who tried to soften the president's plan in some ways, saying that he was proposing only a temporary dislocation of the palestinians as gaza was

rebuilt. now, the president is saying explicitly that this would be a permanent plan as he works to take ownership of gaza. and i think it's significant, he says in this interview that he thinks he can make a deal with the leaders of jordan and egypt to permanently rehouse some of these palestinians as they leave gaza. of course, the leaders of those countries have said that this is a nonstarter. they've said not only is this plan unfeasible, but it's immoral for the for the palestinians to be permanently evicted from their homeland in gaza. but i can tell you this will be a topic of discussion for the president when he meets with the king of jordan, king abdullah, just tomorrow here at the white house. >> all right. and it's worth just emphasizing that, as we know, the palestinians have been outspoken about this, saying that they do not want to leave their land. kevin liptak. thank you so much. and still ahead this hour, why, my next guest says president trump's funding

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and it became abundantly clear that this administration is either incompetent or it's cruel. and i hate to tell you, it turns out that they're both. >> joining us now, illinois attorney general kwame raoul. thank you for coming on. so the white house has repeatedly tried to sort of downplay this freeze. as you know, that the courts have also put a hold on it. but the white house has claimed federal funds are are still being received directly by individuals. what are you seeing in illinois, though? >> well. >> we're seeing. >> that in certain areas with regards to both the inflation reduction act as well as the infrastructure and jobs act, that there are funds that that are still being paused and that the recipients don't have access to. and and again, this

is this is an effort to usurp what is supposed to be a separation of powers, what is supposed to have congress having the power of the purse by way of trying to find things that weren't specifically mentioned in the initial white house memo? the same principle stands that congress has the power of the purse. and the executive branch cannot just unilaterally do do this. >> can you be a little more specific on on how people are being impacted right now that you say should be receiving the funds but aren't? >> well, yeah, it's it's infrastructure funds. it's it's funds for climate reduction solar panels and and things like this, things that were explicitly. appropriated that, that impact uh, impact individuals in our respective

states and, and again, uh, there are various mechanisms being used by the administration to, to, to try to uh, put in place these pauses, uh, in a way that they try to argue is not covered by the initial tro that covered the covered the the, the initial, uh, memo. >> so, i mean, but do you think the trump administration is bucking this order from the court in terms of freezing some of these funds that are supposed to be frozen? or do you think that this is just natural confusion, given all of the back and forth that's happened i don't think it's natural confusion. >> the administration has made it clear their disregard for our constitution. uh, their, their, uh, in multiple ways over the last three weeks. and so that disregard is being carried out by way of these pauses when

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>> the department of education's days could be numbered. president trump has repeatedly vowed to abolish it, and he has indicated it could be doj's next target. >> i'm going. >> to. >> tell them very. >> soon, like maybe in 24 hours, to go check the. >> department of education. >> he's going to find the same thing. >> then i'm going to. >> go to the military. let's check the military. we're going to find billions, hundreds of billions of dollars. >> so what could this mean for educators across the country? joining us now are tim merrick from the new hanover county board and education of education in wilmington, north carolina, and andrew hayes of the lakeside union school district just outside san diego. and just for our viewers, you gentlemen have different views on this idea of abolishing the department of education. andrew, i want to go to you first. you're in favor of this move. why is that? >> well. >> thank you for having me. >> you know, the first thing for. >> me is local control. and i

see. >> this conversation. >> really opening up an ability for my school. >> district here in. >> my community to be able to. >> engage in a conversation where. >> we can. >> increase our. >> test scores without focusing on divisive social issues that have been really the crux of education in california and debates here in california. and i really just want to see our kids do better. and i think that president trump's, you know, thrust on this is, listen, let's find where there can be reform. let's find where there can be ways that we can change the system so that our kids do better in school and focus on the basics. so that's why i'm very supportive of this. >> just to be clear though, how does the department of education and the abolishing of that help your cause? exactly. >> well, it has to do with the power of the purse. so a lot of this, we know would have to go to congress. we know that. but for me, it creates the discussion. it allows for us to say, well, if we lose x funding, perhaps the state will then say, hey, we need to help you more with local control on some of

your curricular issues, which, by the way, is a huge thing for me. i mean, i've passed a parent's bill of rights here to give parents more access so that we can represent our communities better. i just feel like our community, my community, we know better than sacramento and certainly with title one funding and other things, this allows for us to talk about this. it's a it's a way to leverage a position to help our kids succeed and do better. so that's that's where i'm coming from. >> and the department of education on its website says it does not set curriculum for students. i want to point that out, tim, to bring you into this conversation, the department of education administers billions in funding for title one programs and students with disabilities. how would this impact your district, and what do you say to what you just heard? >> well, what i. >> say to what i just. >> heard, pam. >> and thanks for having me on is, you know. >> we have private schools and religious. schools that are not. regulated by, by. >> the, by the federal government, the same way that our public schools are. and they

are not showing. better performance here in new hanover county. in fact, some of our private schools. have poorer performance than many of our public schools. so i, i can't agree. >> with that. >> what i can agree with is that with out our federal money, we. >> will not be. >> taking care of our most disadvantaged students. and that is just a crisis that we cannot have. um, you know. we have. fairly segregated schools here in north carolina, more segregated than they were in 1968. and our richest wealthy white schools have at the end of fifth grade, they have a 91% proficiency in reading. and our poorest black schools have a 9.5% proficiency in reading in fifth grade. this is a sort of segregation that will be even worse without the federal guidelines that that require us to take care of our most disadvantaged students. >> so just to follow up with you, um, what would you say then

to to the idea that look, look at those test scores you just laid out. the department of education has been given your your district funding. and yet look at the test scores. you say it would be worse if the department of education went away. but how do you know that well, i understand what's been pointed out that says, well, you're not doing well now. >> why would you do better in the future? the truth is, the state of north carolina has been defunding public schools now for 20 years. we are the 49th state in the union in terms of per pupil spending. so, you know, what we have is a fairly equal amount of money going to all our schools. and some of our schools need more. we need to have universal pre-k. we need to have more opportunities for some of the children to be ready to be in school. we need to help them, you know, feed them so that they can pay attention. we need to have trauma informed curricula so that they can regulate themselves, so they can learn. all of that will come through and be lost. if we lose our federal funding. we don't trust

that our state will want to take care of those kids. >> so then what do you say to that, andrew, that, you know, look, as you put it to him, you don't trust that local officials will use the money in the way that you believe it should, as it is now under the department of education, and that this could further hurt vulnerable populations. what do you say to that, tim? how can you trust the local officials with this money? >> uh, so let me point out what. >> i'm sorry, andrew, i meant to go to andrew on that. my bad. andrew, if i could just bring you in on that question. right. because i wanted you to respond to what tim noted. >> sure. you know what i believe that you can trust your local officials. listen, i'm elected locally. i know tim is elected locally, and we hear from our constituents as i'm walking through albertson's, i'm going to hear from people about what we're spending our resources on. and so to me, i'm accountable to the people where i was born and raised here in lakeside. and ultimately, i want to see people do better. and so

i really think local control is the is the key here. that money coming to our local community, we know better than top down. it's grassroots up. we know what's going on here and what our needs are. and they may not be the same everywhere. and that's kind of been my whole point, is that some of these big debates that happen across the country, california, of course, has been at the forefront of many of these divisive issues, as we know. but for me, when we're talking about k through eight kids who, you know, in california, 70% of our kids are not meeting standards in science. and i really think that the state and the federal government can help have a conversation by saying, let's focus in on giving our locals the tools that they need and let them make the decisions. >> tim, what do you think about that? and do you think that getting rid of the department of education could have an impact on recruiting teachers, you know, of which many districts are dealing with shortages already? >> i'm not sure how losing money from the federal government is going to help us

hold on to teachers. what i will say about states rights and the push that we're seeing right now, it look to where it starts. it all dates back to jim crow. my grandfather testified at brown v board of education. if it wasn't for the federal guidelines, what would our schools have ever integrated? right. so states rights is just a very nice way of saying we're going to let however you want to do it in your state, fly. and our state is spending $4 billion in the next ten years on school vouchers that the wealthiest people can get. so what those schools that that money goes to, that $4 billion is going to schools that do not have to admit students with disabilities do not have to admit lgbtq students, do not have to admit anyone who cannot supply their own transportation to schools. um, we're ending up with a two tier education system where we have the haves and the have nots. and i'm telling you what, now that's not going to produce a better workforce locally. that is not going to produce, is

going to produce more drain on our social services. this is not what america stands for. in my mind. >> andrew, to you on on what he just argued that it would create a two tiered system. >> well, i would argue that in my community where i'm here, where i'm from, we we have such a two tier system in a way, already there are people who are not being supported by the state and their career education workforce programs that we have. the state continually cuts those here in california. and so i think from my perspective, this is why local control is so important. my community knows better than sacramento, certainly. and then of course, with dc, this funding conversation in my mind allows for us to say, listen, we know better. we need a seat at the table. help us sit here so that we can focus on getting our kids a great education. you know, public education. i was public school educated. i want to see kids get a great public school education, but it's a matter of having local control. >> andrew hayes, tim, eric,

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you at usaid do your job better? so they enacted reforms, listening to employees that strengthened the ability of usaid to serve as a national security agency. and they strengthened the workforce. the employees felt valued and they felt listened to. we also received a lot of support from the white house. we're very appreciative of the advisor to the president of unca trump's efforts to launch a usaid initiative that strengthened women's entrepreneurship, and we were very grateful for the first lady. melania's visit to the usaid project sites in africa, highlighting the good work of american people overseas. >> and now it's completely different. all of these employees are in limbo. what are they telling you about their ability to do their jobs right now? >> well, first they're confused because the very same types of programs that were put in place under the trump administration are now on hold, and they don't understand why. and the same employees that served honorably and supported president trump's initiatives are now being denigrated. it's really hitting the employees overseas a lot

harder. i mean, hitting everyone hard, but those overseas are in a particularly vulnerable situation. they're not getting clear guidance. some are told, be ready to pack your bags and others are saying sit and wait. so a lot of them are in survival mode. they are trying to protect their families. they are being prepared to be evacuated. they have no homes to go to. they are being told they'll have to leave their possessions and pets behind. they're having difficulty accessing health care. for example. i know the case of at least 20 women with high risk pregnancies that can't get the medical care they need. they tried to do be medevaced to the states. they weren't able to be medevaced, and one now is in a life threatening situation. i heard from one foreign service officer whose mother is critically ill overseas. she can't get back to the states. so they. the other concern i hear is many are facing potential financial ruin, and they wonder why, after serving their country overseas for so many years, are they

being treated this way? why are they being punished? what happened? >> what do you say to americans who are out there and looking at the way and some of the usaid funds were being used, appropriated by congress, we should note and say, well, gosh, i didn't even realize that, you know, maybe my money, my taxpayer dollars shouldn't be going to that. what do you say to those americans? >> that's a very fair question. what i would like to tell those americans is that every dollar that usaid spends is approved by the ambassador post and then approved under the authority of the secretary of state, back in the state department, that besides the fact that 98% of usaid spending is earmarked from congress, directed by congress, is all then notified back to congress. so the idea that there's this rogue cell of of usaid officers doing mischievous things is doesn't make sense. every penny is notified and accounted for. every program is approved at the higher levels.

now to political parties change between administrations. absolutely. i've served through six political administrations. the vast majority of programs continue to be the same because national security policy remains the same. but there are things that change that's fair, and there's a process for changing them without gutting an entire agency. >> all right, chris milligan, thank you, milligan, i should say thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective. thank you for joining us. i'm pamela brown. you can follow me on instagram tiktok and at pamela brown cnn. stay with us. inside politics with my friend dana bash starts after a short break. >> a heart. >> attack was scary. >> never want to go through that again. >> but we could. >> with heart disease. >> you never know. >> so we made changes. >> green juice. >> diet. >> exercise. >> statins helped, but our ldl, or bad cholesterol, it was stuck. just couldn't look, couldn't lower it enough. and high ldl seemed.

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