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live in the cnn newsroom. i'm pamela brown in washington. and in just a few moments, we expect to see the king and crown prince of jordan arrive there at the white house. president trump will host a bilateral meeting in the oval office. jordan is a crucial player and negotiator in the israel-hamas ceasefire deal. but trump's plan to move up to 2 million people out of gaza could be a big sticking point in this meeting. jordan and other mideast allies oppose that plan. cnn's alayna treene is at the white house. elena. jordan's king requested this meeting and is expected to propose some alternatives. what do we know about that? >> that's right. >> and i do want to say you're actually about to see some of the honor guard passing behind me right now as they prepare for the arrival of king abdullah of jordan, as well as the crown prince. he's expected to arrive here at the white house at around 1130 this morning. but look, i do want to get into what you were asking about pamela, which is, you know, what's going to be at the forefront of this conversation today. and that is, of course, what we've been

hearing. president donald trump double and triple down on in recent days, which is his idea to take over gaza. he has said that he wants to own it and that he wants to turn it into the riviera of the middle east. but part of that plan, and a key part of that plan, was what he said would be displacing the nearly 2 million gazans from the area and moving them into jordan and egypt, things that we know both countries leaders have flatly rejected. now, the president also was asked about how he would essentially convince these leaders to take these people in, and one person asked him if they if he would consider withholding aid to jordan and egypt in order to try and force their hand on this. listen to what the president said. >> would you withhold. >> aid to these countries if they don't agree to take in the palestinians? >> yeah, maybe. sure. >> why not? >> you mean if they don't agree? if they don't agree, i would. i would conceivably withhold aid. you so look, this is obviously

again going to be a very important meeting between the two leaders and what's happening right now in the middle east. >> at the very front of this conversation. one thing, though, of course, what we're watching for and what i'm hoping for really, is to see if we can maybe get some shouted questions in. we know last week, when israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was here at the white house, he had a bilateral press conference here at the white house that is not expected today with the king of jordan, you're going to see his arrival. but as of now, they're meeting and everything else that they have planned for here today is going to be closed doors. but as we know, sometimes the white house tries to open that up. so that's one key thing we're watching for. and just briefly, pamela, i do also want to touch on some of the president's other comments that related to the war in the middle east. we know that there that very carefully crafted hostage and ceasefire deal is kind of facing one of its major roadblocks right now. hamas said yesterday that they are planning on postponing the

release of more hostages, and something that the president argued. he said if they do that, that he believes all hell would break loose. he did not specify exactly what that means, but it comes again at a time that this is a very uncertain and uncertain moment for what is happening in the middle east and how the president is going to be reacting to it. pamela. >> all right. alayna treene, thank you so much. so let's bring in cnn global affairs analyst kimberly dozier so we can better understand the dynamic going on here. so we just heard president trump float this idea of withholding aid to countries that won't take in palestinians. but is there any amount of pressure that he can put on jordan or even egypt to get them to take potentially millions of people? >> no. this is existential for them. and what arab officials that i've spoken to believe is that the israelis and certain right wing members of the jewish and christian community have gotten to trump, but that is now

their time to educate trump, that moving those palestinians out of gaza would be equivalent to another 1948 nakba, the catastrophe as the palestinians call it. it is something that could trigger not only all 2 million palestinians joining hamas and fighting against israel, whereas right now not all gazans support hamas, but that it could also potentially trigger a regional third intifada. third uprising because so many arab and muslim populations are furious over what they've seen in gaza and if any of their leaders agree to expelling gazans from that area, they will rise up against their own leaders, especially king abdullah, who has so many palestinian refugees in his country. um, some estimates say half, but it's at least 2 to 3 million out of an 11 million

population. so yes, jordan gets aid from the u.s., but the king has got to stay on the throne to use it. >> and trump has said he wants to bring the middle east together, potentially. stabilize, normalize, i should say, relations between arab countries and israel, particularly saudi arabia and israel. does this gaza plan jeopardize that? because we know saudi arabia has been pretty outspoken about that, too? >> absolutely. for for the saudis, this is a nonstarter for jordan, for anyone i've spoken to. um, trump wants to get a peace nobel peace prize for expanding the abraham accords for bringing peace to the region. so rather than criticizing him publicly, what they have been trying to do is come up with ideas that they'll present to him. as you know, if you want to expand the abraham accords, here's an alternative. but the palestinians have to stay in gaza. here's what we'll

pay for. here's what we'll fund. but there has to be a two state solution. and they'll also gently present him with the alternative. again, privately, that current members of the abraham accord morocco, the uae, bahrain might even have to pull out of the accord as opposed to expanding it. because of this gaza plan. >> all right, kimberly dozier, thank you so much. and let's continue this conversation with moshe emilio levy, his brother in law, omri moran, has spent nearly 500 days as a hostage after he was abducted in the october 7th terror attacks. moshe, thank you so much for your time. um, first off, just your reaction to president trump's ultimatum for hamas. >> thank you. >> so much. >> for having me this morning. um, look, my my reaction is that i'm not a i'm not a policymaker. i'm not a strategist. what i do know is

that the policies that were implemented in the past 16 months did not work to yield results until president trump came to office and brought about an agreement for the deal. the biden administration initiated. and the trump administration started implementing. so i hope that the rhetoric that is is out there in the public is helping us to reach a resolution to release all the hostages. and i'm certain from discussions with the administration, with elected officials here in dc, that they are committed to that cause, because that's the key to stability in our region. that's the key to any plan in the postwar period. first, bringing home the hostages alive. >> of course, that is that is the hope. um, on saturday, i want to ask you about this. hamas released these three hostages. many israelis were just struck by how gaunt the men appeared. it's up on our screen. i'm sure you've seen

them. and if you haven't, please let me know. you can see the contrast in these striking images. you know how urgent when you see these pictures, is it to bring home the remaining hostages right now? and do you have any concern that these comments could potentially collapse the deal? >> um, yeah. i shared the sentiments of many israelis, and i think any person in the world who has any human spirit in him and in them, that these images are so difficult to bear. what we as families of hostages have in mind, ever since seeing the release of early or and or khaled is our loved ones in captivity because they are enduring the same pain, the same suffering as they did until saturday. and that really emphasizes the urgency, the urgency of releasing all the hostages, because every hostage is a humanitarian case. and we've been saying that for months to elected officials in

israel and abroad to to our in interviews, to the media, to communities we meet. i don't know whether the comments will or will not lead to the collapse of the deal. perhaps they will provide the dynamics needed for the urgency of releasing all the hostages as soon as possible. that's my hope. that's why i'm in the capitol hill today, to emphasize every hostage is humanitarian case and the administration already is committed to release all of them. >> president trump said, quote, i think a lot of the hostages are dead. the israeli government says that eight of the remaining 33 hostages, who were set to be released during the first stage of the ceasefire deal, are believed to be dead. this is this is a tough question, but do you know if omri is still alive? >> um, we do know that there are signs of life from memory and only today our family published after it was approved, that one of the returning hostages who

came back in the past few weeks provided us a sign of life. we do know many other hostages are still alive. at least half of them. the comments made by president trump were made many weeks ago, when there was a lot of disinformation around about the fate of the hostages, and i can assure you that his team knows very well the intelligence and and all the reports that are coming out of gaza about the fate of of many of the hostages today here in the capitol hill, we have a delegation of families of of those who are in the second phase. all of them are believed to be alive. and that's why we're meeting elected officials in order to make sure that they understand lives are at stake and we can still save them, just like we save. keith siegel was released and was featured in a propaganda video with omri in april 24th. and like, we saved so many lives over the past few weeks, we need to concentrate on that. >> what are your concerns if hamas ignores president trump's warning and the saturday

deadline passes without any hostages freed? >> we live day by day. we are concerned every day. we've been concerned for 16 months. we have been frustrated with the inaction of the international community, with the inability of pushing hamas to the corner and ensuring the release of our loved ones, of holding accountable their sponsors. and we hope that these comments will lead to a dynamic that will allow the release of all the hostages within the foreseeable future. we can't wait for phases to be negotiated. we really need a swift action, and i think that's what the president wants as well. and we're supporting him in that. war is a complex thing. we know that it's the kingdom of uncertainty. we know that we may not have the happy ending for every family, but we hope that the changes in rhetoric, the the changes in the dynamic in the region will push different stakeholders, including the king

of jordan, who is visiting dc today. the egyptian foreign minister who is visiting to understand they need to put plans on on the on the table to ensure that hostages are released and to ensure hamas does not return to power in gaza because both israelis and gazans deserve a better situation in the region. >> all right, moshe leib, thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> and still ahead, some economists are sounding the alarm on a trump trade plan that they say could ultimately cost you more money. so i'm going to ask the president's chief trade adviser about that next. peter navarro, stay with us. >> it's the news. >> welcome back. >> but it's also kind of not the news. >> all the information on this show so terrible. >> have i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn. >> like a relentless weed. moderate to severe ulcerative colitis symptoms can keep coming back. start to break away from

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anticipates that musk is going to be visiting the pentagon in the coming weeks to do much the same that he has done at other agencies in terms of identifying different programs and positions within the department of defense that can be eliminated. and secretary hegseth actually pointed specifically to the climate programs within the pentagon. but overall, he suggested that he is willing to work with elon musk on eliminating certain aspects of the pentagon's budget as long as it does not affect military readiness. here's a little bit of what he said. >> we've been in. >> touch with. >> i've been in touch with with elon musk. >> who's a great patriot interested in advancing the america first agenda, knows that president trump got 77 million votes and a mandate from the american people. and part of that is bringing actual businesslike efficiency to government. hence what doge is doing. we've been talking to them in partnership with them. and as i said on social media, we welcome doge to the pentagon, and i hope to welcome elon to the pentagon very soon. and his team, working in collaboration with us. there is there are

waste redundancies and headcounts in headquarters that need to be addressed. >> now, as i said, one of the programs that pete hegseth identified as something that is potentially wasteful that the pentagon focuses on are those climate change programs to study the different impacts of climate change. the pentagon considers that actually a pretty significant national security threat, just given the impact it can have on migration and catastrophes around the world, vulnerable populations, things like impact to military installations. so it's unclear exactly what pete hegseth plans to do with those programs at the pentagon. but he identified them as wasteful. and it's one of the things elon musk is bound to be looking at. pam. >> all right, natasha bertrand, thanks so much. well, president trump says that he is making america rich again by slapping 25% tariffs on all steel and aluminum imports into the u.s. canada is america's largest source of both and is slamming this as totally unjustified. the tariffs are set to go into effect next month. joining us

now from the white house is senior trade and manufacturing adviser to president trump, peter navarro. hi, peter. thanks for coming on. so we're going to get to the steel and aluminum tariffs in just a second. but what i want to talk about this announcement that trump said he would be making on reciprocal tariffs as soon as today. which countries and goods will be targeted by that. >> the event that president trump is going to have talks about how all the big major trading partners that we have have higher tariffs and or higher non-tariff barriers, that's simply not fair for the american people. back when i was with the boss in the first term, 2019, he had the reciprocal trade act that he wanted to get done to correct these problems. and it's just simply unfair. so the first step that's going to happen is that we'll have the the secretary of commerce, lutnick, will have the secretary of treasury, sarah lee best scott bessent will have the u.s. trade representative hope to be

jamison greer. we've got to get these people confirmed. they're going to study the landscape here, figure out what the biggest trade deficits are. and those are what's damaging to us, and then figure out which countries are responsible and whether or not they're engaged in tariffs, barriers or what the president likes to call non-monetary barriers or non-tariff barriers. once that happens, then the president will be guided by that. everything we do. pamela, is data driven. >> and so no countries or goods picked out right now, it's going to be studied. and then the administration will figure out which to target based. >> on our. >> top trading partners, our top trading partners. we run deficits with china, mexico, canada, vietnam and on down the list. so look, it's $1 trillion deficit. so do. >> you. >> expect it to to. >> be with. >> those countries. >> though given the deficit. i

just want to i just i want to let you make your point. but i just want to be clear here just to understand, will those countries you mentioned with the trade deficits, will those be included with the reciprocal tariffs that we're hearing, or is there going to be further study? i just want to. >> there's no reciprocal tariffs yet. let's not let's not jump the gun. what's going to happen is we're going to look at all of our trading partners, starting with the ones which we run the biggest deficits with. find out if they're cheating the american people. and if they are we're going to take measures to correct that wrong. that's what the president has promised for many years now. and we know now how quickly he moves in this second term. so that's that's just a preview of of what he's likely to talk about today. reciprocal trade is the most fairest thing in the world. if they're cheating us then that shouldn't be allowed to happen. so president trump is going to stop that. >> and we're going to dive a little bit deeper into that in just a second. but you mentioned canada. canada has responded to the steel and aluminum tariffs by saying that they are totally

unjustified. are the tariffs allowed under the us-mexico-canada trade deal negotiated during the first trump administration, or does this mean that the usmca is now over? >> so in 2018, the original steel and aluminum tariffs were put into effect under section 232, which says that if imports are harming our national security, the president has full legal authority to do that, and these tariffs have been in place. pamela, to be clear, what happened. however, as the tariffs were, the trump tariffs were in place. joe biden introduced all these country exemptions and product exclusions gutted the tariffs. capacity utilization in steel fell perilously down to low 70s. it's down to almost 50% in aluminum. and we need a golden age of steel and aluminum back. and that's what president trump's going to do. he's perfectly within his presidential powers to do so. >> it's true about the national security exemption and going back and looking at that deal.

but as you know, canada, as part of this deal with trump, over the 25% tariffs announced, you know, the 1.3 billion to help with the border security, which it announced in december. and then this fentanyl czar and calling cartels, terrorist organizations and so forth. so they said they're doing that in the name of national security. so my question to you is taking what you said, everything you laid out, there's different reasons for these tariffs. how do you reconcile president trump's demands for action from targeted nations like reducing fentanyl and undocumented immigration, as canada says it's doing with the need for revenue and trade equity. how can you have both? what is the incentive to come to the table if they're just going to be tariffed anyway, like in this case with canada? >> well, let's be clear about the aluminum steel tariffs. we can talk about canada, but these steel and aluminum tariffs impact argentina brazil australia china, russia, ukraine i mean all of all the countries japan that flood us now with

aluminum and or steel are being tariffed. they're being tariffed to defend the american people. and our defense industrial base so that this country, if we have any kind of crisis, will have the ability to defend itself. that's what all this is about. and i'm surprised in a way that canada is protesting so loudly the tariffs that were already in place. when the problem is with country exemptions, countries like canada. basically did not keep their promises. i mean, canada, after the biden administration relaxed the the tariffs under agreements to limit their amount of aluminum and steel coming into our country, just blew past that, blew past that, as did many other countries, you know, brazil sticks us with too much slab. japan floods us with high specialty. australia is just killing our aluminum market. and the president trump says, no,

no, we're not we're not doing that anymore. we're going back to where we were. golden age of steel and aluminum. >> in australia. >> that's what he's going to do. >> i mean, some of these companies, as you know, create like the green steel in australia, for example, have products, steel, so forth that aren't made in the u.s. right. so i think that there's a question about how this is going to work, how this is going to work practically, and i'll let you respond to that. sure. and i also just just want to go back to that question, you know, why would these countries come to the table in the name of helping with national security? if you're just going to go ahead and tariff them anyway, how can you achieve all of the objectives that you are laying out you're trying to achieve with these tariffs? >> well, let's stay focused first on australia. australia is not. australia is primarily aluminum when it comes to the united states and the major companies in australia are held

majority owned by the largest shareholder is china. and what they do is they just flood our markets after biden led them, get gave him an agreement that said, don't flood our markets. you can have a reasonable amount. that's what we're dealing with. our aluminum industry, pamela is is is on its back. it's a 50% capacity utilization rate in australia. it's 90%. and we can't afford not to have strong aluminum and steel industries. i mean, just i've in crisis. it goes into everything that we have to defend ourselves. so with respect to your question about how do you meet multiple goals, i mean, clearly the tariffs that were put in place on canada, mexico and china to address a fentanyl crisis were simply tariffs that say, hey, we need you to do a bunch of things to stop killing americans. that can be done at the same time that we

can have steel and aluminum tariffs to protect our national security, and we can have reciprocal trade discussions to deal with our trade deficit. all of these are significant crises and threats to the country. >> because, as you know, americans, there are there's concern among some americans that this could lead to a rise in prices for them. the importer, the importer of a good, pays the tax. now, i know you say you argue and what i'm looking at your your previous interviews before this interview you said, well, chinese companies will lower the price in response to the tariffs here. they did that in the first administration. but in the first administration it did not translate to all american companies paying less for tariffs. there is a jp morgan chase report that estimated the average american household cost was $600 per year. what do you say to americans who are watching right now with the price of goods rise because of these tariffs? >> well, let's remind everybody watching that when we put on the steel and aluminum tariffs in

2018, we did not have inflation. we had price stability and we had prosperity. now in terms. >> on some goods though, they did go up on some goods according to what i see right now from goldman sachs, bedding. >> furniture. laundry equipment, as far as i'm concerned, anything that comes out of goldman sachs or some of these think tanks, they have an agenda i don't believe. but let me just quickly tell you when when tariffs come, you have the price adjustment by the exporters. they have to lower their prices in order to hold on to their market share. you have the currency adjustments that take place as part of the market adjustment, but also through currency manipulation by the governments. you have supply chain adjustments, and the best thing that happens and president trump loves this is investment comes into our country that raises the productivity of workers. and productivity is the quickest way to real wage gains that offset any inflation. and then over time, as president

trump says, you don't want tariffs, then build it here. so that adjustment process. and look it's fun coming out and defending these attacks on inflation when i can just point to what happened the last time there was no inflation. >> yeah, it was very minor inflation. that is true. thank you. that is true. but i will say i don't at the same time. >> what is minor. remember we had. price stability. >> it was very little. i went back and looked. but listen i just i just want to follow up with you. sure. because you know, automakers for example. and actually, before i get to that, i do want to follow up on the jp morgan and goldman sachs. they they were using data. they were basing what they said on data from the government. i know you said you don't want to believe that. you were saying, we're going to make these reciprocal. tariff judgments based on data. so i'm just pointing that out. but. automakers are saying you know, oh, okay. okay. um, so. >> so automakers what. >> are you saying? mark twain? huh? lies. damn lies and statistics. i mean, you know.

>> excuse me, i'm recovering from a cold, but automakers say that they're concerned that this could lead to layoffs and so forth. now, several studies did show in the first term that tariffs did help create some jobs. but even more jobs were lost during the first term. so does the white house have any plans to support businesses impacted by potential retaliatory tariffs? as you know, there are businesses that are worried right now about that. >> those studies that you can't believe any of those studies because all of those studies predicted the apocalypse, the inflationary recessionary apocalypse. i mean, it had the wall street journal and two lead editorials calling the navarro recession coming. and it's like all we had under donald trump was prosperity, price stability. and by the way, no foreign wars and a secure border. and things were good. >> okay. really quick. he's he sounds like you're back on the campaign trail there. he's already back in the white house

there. but but let me just follow up because elon musk what role does he have with you right now? is he playing a role with you or. >> no no, no. >> he's not. >> but in terms of the inflation question, i think it's important to point out that we have a very broad based way to to get inflation significantly down very quickly. and it's drill, baby, drill that's going to have a tremendous lowering effect. it's deregulation. and when you add doge on with all of the cost cutting, that's a beautiful thing. and then when you have all the investment come in because of the tariffs and productivity rises, i think, pamela, one of the statistics i'm most proud about, and this is a real statistic, and you will agree with me on this. during the trump years, real wages for american workers went significantly up during the biden years. real wages went significantly down. and the difference is the kind of

policies that we had. strategic oil, energy, oil dominance, we had deregulation, we had tax cuts, we had fair trade. instead of seeing our factories go offshore. and this is how you fight inflation and doge, that's like, that's a that's just an added layer that's going to have a tremendous impact on helping us lower. but as far as doge and trade, manufacturing parallel tracks., okay. there's a lot hidden towards prosperity, i hope. >> well we'll see. i mean, look, you made a lot of predictions. economists, as you know, there's varying viewpoints. some of them disagree with that. we shall see if your predictions come true. and we'll have you back on the show to discuss that. peter navarro, thank you. >> great. great to talk to you, pamela. >> we'll be right. >> back. >> mira. joy. >> the overwhelming. >> relief after miralax. >> helps you go. miralax works. >> naturally with. >> the water in your body,

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that's how you get on mount rushmore. that's how you make america great. and american greatness is in part about journalists covering the story and citizens reading the constitution and judges doing what they do, which is hear cases under law. and if you think a judge has made a mistake at trial, well, you can bring the case up to two appeals and eventually to the united states supreme court. three of the justices on this court were appointed by donald trump himself. his party has a majority of the supreme court. and if and when these cases go up to the supreme court and the supreme court rules, then actually presidents must obey. that's actually a deep part of what the constitution actually provides for. and trump himself, the very first thing he was obliged to do was to swear an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. as every president is obliged to do. and it's in the constitution itself. it says that. >> yeah. and in the constitution, article three

about the judiciary, co-equal branch of government. i want to highlight something jd vance said back in 2021. this, of course, was years before he was even considered to be trump's vice president. >> i think that what trump. >> should do, like if i was giving him. >> one piece of advice, fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people. and when the courts, because you will get taken to court. and when the courts stop, you stand before the country like andrew jackson did and say the chief justice has made his ruling. now let him enforce it, because this is, i think, a constitutional level crisis. if we continue to let bureaucrats control the entire country, even when republicans win elections, then we've lost. we've just permanently lost. we've permanently given up. and so that's sort of how i think about this. >> what do you say to that? is that what we're seeing play out? what would the recourse be in that hypothetical? and again, it is a hypothetical. we don't want to be alarmist here, but you

have to ask the question, given some of the rhetoric and what we're seeing. um, if the executive branch is flatly disobeys a judge order from the supreme court. >> well, what jd vance said is not true. it's fake news about andrew jackson. he never said that. that was apocryphal. now, let's look at what he did and not just what he said. he never refused to comply with the supreme court order. that, quote is from a case called worcester versus georgia. it didn't involve. yeah, the cherokee case didn't involve actually the executive branch at all. the supreme court never issued a directive to the president. the president never defied that. when the supreme court, in donald trump's lifetime told harry truman, you can't seize the steel mills unilaterally, even if you had good motives. harry truman complied with that. and this was a supreme court dominated by people of harry truman's party. when, in the nixon tapes case, the court with

four nixon appointees, three of whom were on the court and one of whom recused, told him he had to hand over the tapes, he obeyed that. that's what presidents have done in years past. and, and and i fully expect that this president will do that if he really wants to make america great and have a good reputation going forward. because our best presidents actually have been law abiding presidents. the greatest of them all was abraham lincoln. he did not disobey a supreme court order, as some people have sometimes said. it's just not true. it's it's fake news. abraham lincoln revered the constitution. he was a great constitutional lawyer. and and we all, we americans shoul actually hold fast to the constitution. >> i mean, yeah, that's and that's what our elected leaders swore an oath to. it's as simple as that. bring me back to law school with the youngstown case. that was one of the the first cases i studied when i went. akhil reed. amar, thank you so much.

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