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more, all coming in right here to cnn news central we begin this hour with breaking news that no doubt is pretty tough for ukrainians to hear. >> president trump revealing details of a 90 minute phone call with russian president vladimir putin, saying that it was, quote, highly productive, as they discussed a number of topics, including steps to end the conflict in ukraine. >> all this as the white house announces the release of another american detainee, this time from a prison in belarus. we've got a team of reporters covering every angle. let's go straight to cnn's jeff zeleny with more on this lengthy call between the two leaders. what is the white house saying, jeff? >> rob frehse. >> we are learning more. >> about that telephone call this morning between the american president and the russian president. certainly, this is significant on so many fronts, but largely because the president is saying that he believes the discussions to end the war in ukraine should begin

immediately. of course, this is coming a day after another american prisoner, marc fogel that pennsylvania schoolteacher, was released from moscow. the white house saying, these aren't exactly linked, but certainly the timing leads to this conversation with the vladimir putin this morning and the the two leaders in the first administration met some five times in person or so, very controversial meetings. but this is a different moment altogether because of the ukraine war, of course, and the fact that the president spoke with vladimir zelenskyy. a second, uh, after vladimir putin. certainly is interesting. but both leaders vowed to visit one another's countries are kaitlan collins asked if any preconditions would exist before putin would be invited. >> i have a few things for you, but on the commitment by president trump, he said that he and president putin agreed to visit each other's respective nations. are there any preconditions that president trump has that president putin

must do before he goes and meets with him, withdrawing some forces, withdrawing all forces, anything like that? >> not that i'm aware of. that doesn't mean they don't exist. but i was just talking with the president in our national security team. i wasn't made aware of any conditions, but if they exist, i'm happy to provide those. >> so certainly this is the opening of a new chapter in diplomatic relations, which largely had been frozen during the biden administration because of the russian invasion of ukraine. now, there is no question that this is causing much consternation among many u.s. allies, western allies, who, of course, are meeting in brussels, and the vice president also is scheduled to meet with ukrainian president zelenskyy. but no doubt, the opening of a conversation with russia is raising the question is ukraine going to be on the losing end of this? boris and brianna. >> jeff zeleny live at the white house. thank you so much. let's turn to cnn chief national security correspondent, alex marquardt. alex, what more do we

know about this american released from this prison in belarus? >> well, boris and brianna, two days of remarkable, unexpected prisoner releases by russia and. >> by belarus today, just. >> a couple of hours ago, we learned that three prisoners we regime, including one american citizen who is unnamed for. >> privacy reasons. >> but he was detained in belarus. we understand back in september, he was released alongside two non-americans. one is andre. >> kuntschik. >> who worked for the american backed radio. free europe, and the second is elena marchuk marchuk. we understand, has serious health conditions, while kuznetsk has been reunited with his wife and two children. and just a short time ago, we heard from the ambassador to the american ambassador to lithuania and senior state department official chris smith, because they had worked on getting these three out of belarus. take a listen.

>> this was a unilateral gesture by the lukashenko authorities. they made this gesture because they are responding through what adam pointed out, which is the president's peace through strength agenda. they're responding to strength. they're looking to improve ties. this was a gesture on their side. >> it's important to note. >> here that this. >> is four. >> releases we've had in less than a month of the administration. it's quite extraordinary. it's really a very rare thing. we work sometimes for years to get people out. i've personally worked on one of these cases for a number of years. and so to see this person come out of belarusian prison is quite extraordinary. >> and boris and brianna, this does come the day after marc fogel was released by from from russia in a remarkable exchange. steve witkoff was ostensibly the middle east envoy, traveling to moscow on his private plane, coming back with marc fogel, he was exchanged for a russian and

american custody named alexander vinnik, who was accused of running a multibillion dollar cryptocurrency exchange. big questions now, as jeff was noting how this plays into the broader question of ukrainian-russian negotiations to end the war that are being spearheaded by the united states. you heard that state department official saying that the release today in belarus was done unilaterally because they wanted better relations with the united states. after the release yesterday of marc fogel, we heard the white house call that a show of good faith by the russians. ahead of these negotiations with the ukrainians, what do the russians get out of it? certainly, they do appear to be currying favor with the trump administration, getting brownie points, if you will, with president trump ahead of what are expected to be very contentious negotiations that, as things stand today, are not trending in favor of the ukrainians guys. >> all right, alex, thank you for that. let's bring in cnn global affairs analyst kim dozier and cnn chief international security correspondent nick paton walsh.

for more on the global perspective here. you know, kim, it's interesting because the biden administration had this multi-nation prisoner swap and you have this. multiple prisoner releases coming from russia here. but what's so clear is that russia does what it wants to do when it wants to do it, for reasons that it sees in its interest. so i wonder how you are seeing this. >> this is vladimir putin. >> delivering to president donald trump a number of wins in his first month in office. now, marc fogel, it's wonderful that he's out. it's wonderful for him, for his family. but let's remember that the hostage negotiator under the biden administration, roger carstens, was the same hostage negotiator under the first trump administration. he was a carryover and that he'd worked to get fogel out. but according to one state department official, i spoke to, the russians didn't seem interested in exchanging him. this is

carefully timed to get trump on putin's side ahead of these ukrainian negotiations. >> so, nick, if this is a precursor to negotiations between the united states and russia over the fate of ukraine, what does this mean for kyiv, especially as we're seeing secretary of defense pete hegseth visiting with nato leaders, saying that returning to that 2014 border with russia is unrealistic. >> yeah. look, i mean, it must have been, i think, quite an uneasy day for volodymyr zelenskyy. he had thought, perhaps on friday when donald trump said that they might meet this week, that he could in fact, be discussing in person with trump what the peace deal might look like. instead, he got the u.s. treasury secretary turning up in kyiv with essentially a financial type of deal defining their relationship with the united states going forwards. we don't know its full content. it probably involved rare earth minerals to some degree, but certainly during that failure to sign the

deal, as perhaps had been expected by the trump administration, news emerged that in fact, trump had been on another phone call talking to someone entirely different. remember, this ukrainian leader has been at the center of pretty much every room for the last three years when it comes to his western allies, and suddenly he's seeing all of this diplomacy occurring without him often being in the room, he said today in an interview with the economist, that he didn't know what conversations trump was having. he only heard about them in the press. that's such a stark difference. and we've seen this extraordinary moment of rehabilitation for russia through the return of mark fogel wrapped in the stars and stripes with donald trump, essentially a move by the kremlin. quite cynically here to pave the way to improve their image, to pave the way for trump to perhaps make a deal that's more in their favor. we've known for some time that those around trump and trump himself haven't really felt that the u.s. is getting much out of its support for ukraine. ukraine needs that support more than ever right now. and remarkably, too, we heard from hegseth in brussels, the secretary of defense there, what we kind of knew, ukraine is never going to get back to its

2014 borders. they tried in 2023 with a counteroffensive that failed, and they're not going to become part of nato. we knew that was the case too, but it said there very openly, very loud and also something to that ukraine urgently wanted, which is american peacekeepers as part of any peacekeeping force. we're far off that idea right now. but the notion of the u.s. kind of saying to its european allies, fixing this, policing this, sorting this out, it's on you. we're no longer the guarantor of european security. that's a huge sea change. and it's one that essentially says to ukraine, you better go along with whatever he presents, or you might be on your own, and we don't know the full extent of what trump and putin talked about for 90 full minutes, probably their second call in about a week. trump alluded to another one at the weekend. he rang zelenskyy second to update him on that. and i think that is all you need to know about where kyiv stands in the pecking order here. this peace deal is likely to be between russia and the united states, telling ukraine what they think is its best path going forwards. that is a marked

change and will leave many ukrainians deeply concerned and many troops on the front lines fighting for ukraine. perhaps wondering exactly what their efforts and loss is for right now. >> sure, kim, i wonder to nick's point, if trump's view of foreign policy is purely one based on transactions and what ultimately it will benefit the united states benefit him? what does ukraine have to offer? is it these rare earth minerals? is that leverage to get trump to try to push for more out of the kremlin? >> yeah, i did speak to a ukrainian contact who was briefed on what went on in ramstein and said that they're very upset with what secretary of defense pete hegseth said about this resolution is probably not going to include ukraine as part of nato, that you're not going to see a return to ukraine's 2014

borders. all bad news. the one bright silver lining here is that trump has sent his treasury secretary to kyiv to discuss access to rare earth minerals, so the ukrainians are hoping that maybe that is something that they hold in the balance. i also understand that henk smith behind closed doors got pretty savaged by other attendees saying, what? so. so you guys are pulling out and reassured them that no, no, the u.s. isn't abandoning this, it's just that you all have to step up. so they kind of took his comments publicly as a signal to it's what the white house wants to hear and though that is also disturbing that the white house wants to hear. what comments that would be welcomed in russia, that signal that russia will be able to keep at least some of the territory that it has taken by force since 2014.

>> yeah, and those sort of things, nick, being undercut, the idea of you're not going to be in nato, right? you're going to have to give up your claim to. territory coming out of the gate before negotiations even begin. and making it clear that ukraine can't stand well or solidly on firm ground to argue that they deserve those things, where does that leave them in these negotiations? >> yeah, it leaves trump and essentially nato with no room to bluff here. they've laid their cards flat on the table in the first move. and i think this means a negotiator like putin, who's been waiting for this moment of western disunity for the whole three years of this war, he's been allowing, you know, thousands of his own people to die or be wounded at times every day or week, just to buy time until this change in heart, where we see nato having to deal with the fact that europe isn't putting as much in as the united states is not in

this necessarily indefinitely, even though it says it wants to be waiting for this moment of fracture. and the inevitable truth that ukraine isn't going to be part of nato. it never was. it isn't unlikely to be. for a decade that's been unknown. but the fact that this has been so boldly stated, comforting as that, is to the sort of the grass roots trump agenda that got him into power, it leaves these negotiations in a very dangerous place, because we don't know what trump and putin are talking about the entire time. we don't know how much sympathy trump has for putin's position in some of these areas, too. but we do know that his alliance with zelenskyy is certainly not paramount. he's not been the one receiving the calls or having the meetings, and that is extremely telling for where we are going forwards. this peace process is underway. but remember, russia is winning on the ground, so the clock is not ticking loudly. and its ears certainly is in zelenskyy, who is running out of people and weaponry. >> nick paton walsh kim dozier, appreciate you both. thanks for joining us. still to come. federal judges across the nation

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trump's basic executive authority. we believe these judges are acting as judicial activists rather than honest arbiters of the law. >> not long ago, elon musk posted a poll on x asking whether, quote, federal judges who repeatedly abused their authority to obstruct the will of the people via their elected representatives should be impeached. we should note no one elected elon musk, and he called one of those judges, quote, evil in a post shortly before that. >> now, we should also note some of the judges in these cases, including the one singled out by musk, were appointed by president trump himself. president george w. bush, president ronald reagan as well. cnn's paula reid is with us now. so, paula, you've got the a.g. here. pam bondi, who's responsible for overseeing the defense of these policies. weighing in today on the role of courts. what did she say? >> it's important. >> to hear from her. >> as the. >> president and the white house. >> continue to attack judges as being activists. elon musk even

called for one judge to be fired. >> something that. >> is extremely difficult to do. >> when it comes to the federal. >> judiciary, which is probably. >> what. >> prompted that poll. >> but it was important to hear from the nation's top law enforcement official. so let's take a listen to what she. >> said. >> doj we are prepared to defend. >> all of these. >> cases, and we will carry out president trump's agenda. >> got it in time. >> and you. >> see, these. >> judges are lifetime appointments. but what we can do is appeal them. and that's that's what's. >> actually happening today. >> in a case where appealing a case right now, it went up to the first circuit and the first circuit sent it back to the district court to clarify. and if they don't rule in our favor, we will go to the united states supreme court and get clarification and get a ruling. so that was very similar to what we heard from president trump yesterday, because. there were concerns about whether the administration would abide by these orders, especially when they continue to lose. and there have been at least two orders that they have not actually followed. trump said that he would abide by these judges rulings, but he will continue to exercise his appeal options. but

simultaneously, he continues to attack these judges and undermine trust in the judiciary. but these challenges, they continue today in washington. we were supposed to have several hearings on trump policies. most of them were delayed because of the snow, but there was one that wrapped just a few minutes ago, and this was on freezing. usaid funding. now, trump lawyers in this hearing, they insisted that this is within trump's right to direct foreign policy, so chooses. but the judge also heard from the challengers who said, no, we have a lot of clients who already completed work in the biden administration and haven't gotten paid. you can't just freeze these contracts, especially if they've already been executed. so there could be another loss for the trump administration there. we're waiting for the judge to rule, and we don't expect that decision until tomorrow. and then we're going to have even more hearings over the next two days, because so many were delayed. >> and perhaps more appeals after that. >> all the way to the supreme court. >> paula. >> we'll be there. >> thank you so much. joining us now to discuss is republican congressman eric burlison of

missouri. he sits on the doge oversight committee, which met today. congressman, thank you so much for being with us. some of your colleagues on the committee called for musk to testify before congress. the billionaire said himself in the oval office yesterday that transparency is what builds trust. would you like to see him come before lawmakers to outline what he's doing with doge? >> i think that elon is doing a great job. i think that i don't know that i would want to pull him away from the work that he's doing. as i understand it, him and his team are working all nighters and bringing in sleep pods. but, you know, if he chooses that, that he can take time away. i'd be happy to meet with him. i'm sure everybody would. >> congressman, he did acknowledge that there could be missteps along the way with his work with doge. so i wonder what kind of oversight the doge caucus has on musk and his associates, and whether you have any understanding of why, for

example, they need access to some of these sensitive payment programs that keep the financial information of millions of americans yeah, and that's one of the things that i've requested is the oversight committee create a connection with the doge team so that we can that we can fully understand everything that they're doing. >> these forensic audits are are fascinating. and they're they're you know, this is what the private sector does. but we've never seen this happen on the on the federal sector. and it's long overdue, which is why we're uncovering so much waste. but at the end of the day, i think we it would be helpful to understand how the, you know, how their process works and, and be able to do some level of coordination, because at the end of the day, a lot of this is not going to come to fruition unless congress takes action. you're seeing the president being, you know, taken to court. they're trying to express, basically that he doesn't have the right to to do these impoundments. and i don't know how that's going to shake out in the courts. but at the end of the day, we don't

have time. the american people don't want to wait for years for something to be drug out through the court system. they want to see, you know, all of these wasteful spending programs eliminated today. >> that is such an important point, congressman, because the executive, the white house has multiple options. they don't just have to, in their eyes, appeal. some of these decisions. president trump could go to congress and cut some of the funding that he wants to see cut by striking a deal with democrats, but instead doge this sort of supra governmental authority, which wasn't created by congress, which supposedly serves in an advisory role, is trying to cut funding that congress has already allocated. i wonder if you're comfortable with them doing that and appearing to supersede your own authority? >> yeah, and i'll tell you why. i come from a state of missouri. in fact, i think most states operate in that. in that vein. i

mean, where you make the appropriation and the governor has the discretion and the ability to live within that appropriation, however much they decide to do so. and so that is something that the american people are used to seeing. and as someone who's a fiscal hawk, if you're going to err on the side of anything, let's err on the side of less spending because, look, we can't afford it. 30, almost 37 trillion in debt. the we are at a, you know, approaching a debt spiral. the epic think tank just recently came out with a report saying obviously social security goes bankrupt in eight years. medicare goes bankrupt in ten years. we are going to enter a debt spiral at the current spending levels in 15 years, meaning that the dollar will basically, you know, you think inflation is bad now, just wait until then. the dollar will be worthless. >> it is obviously an important cause to to eliminate waste, one that has bipartisan support. i do want to go back to to something that we sort of touched on at the top. you argue that musk is busy and working

all nighters. there are a lot of concerns about potential conflicts of interest because he's not only the richest man in the world, he has business with the u.s. government, contracts with the pentagon, and also business overseas with the chinese government. and yet he's not going to file something as simple as a financial disclosure that so many other folks that are so closely engaged with the work of government do. i wonder if you think he has an obligation to the american people to go before congress to perhaps put a pause on that intense work that he's doing at the white house that you pointed out to answer basic questions about any potential conflicts of interest. do you think he has that obligation? >> i think i don't know that it would be helpful. look, you saw the rhetoric in the doge committee from the other side of the aisle. they used it for moments of grandstanding. it basically became a food fight. so i don't know that it would be helpful to to do that. but i do think that coordinating with

congress is a great idea, and it's something that we should we should be working with him and and his team to understand the inner workings of the of doge. >> should he file that financial disclosure? >> i don't think that he needs to. everybody knows where he gets his money. he's not a guy who's as rich as him, is not benefiting by being by this position. he's sacrificing his time. he could be much more productive and make more money. that would benefit him. you know, at the end of the day, if he were to come in and start saying, we're going to, i'm going to force the government to purchase teslas, then i think we could probably sure, the american people would obviously question something like that, but that's not happening. to your point. about tesla, to. >> your point about tesla, he's gutting the consumer financial protection bureau, which oversees the loans that tesla offers consumers. so in a sense. >> and i'll. >> tell you, is gutting an agency that helps consumers

conduct against abusive business practices and regulates business that he does. is that not a conflict of interest? >> you know, if he's doing something that benefits all businesses? in fact, i'll tell you, my brother, who is a banker, is cheering that on. you talk to anybody in the banking community. they they're absolutely celebrating because they hate that program. so look, it's, you know, it's good. what's good for the goose? good for the gander. he is doing things that raise that benefit the american people. and and he happens to be an american citizen. so look, at the end of the day, he's trying to save this country because he loves it. we're all citizens of this country. i think we ought to welcome it. and i'll tell you who better to to to to lend time and effort to this, you know, for free. i'll tell you if you ask any governor of any state or any business, if and you said elon musk would like to come in with his team of people and help find waste, fraud and abuse within your organization or your state, there's not a single governor or executive that would

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much. we just got to know that they are alive. the release is so both of them, but they are separated. and we knew that they were separated from november from the first deal in 2023. and back then the release was just in the first deal. sodom, saw them alive and separated, but now we have confirmation that throughout this year, a more hostages saw them. >> and we see the pictures of them, you know, so full of life, so much brotherly love. you can see between them just in the photos. did did you hear how they're doing? >> no, we didn't get much. we just heard that they are alive and separated. that's all a we saw two sets of of hostages, hostages released in the past couple of weeks. the first stage

was like emily, romi, doron. ofir gilad erdan, they were relatively, relatively healthy and physically at least just by the look of it. and then we saw the last three hostages. awwad and ali, going out last saturday. and they looked. devastated. so we are trying to lean on the more optimistic side of the release hostages, and not the last three, but who can tell us what we are going to get back? >> yeah, it was certainly hard. i think, for anyone who saw to see the condition they were in and i mean israel, israel really has to. and israel and hamas, they really have to get into this phase two of this cease fire. right. in order for you

to. realize the possibility of seeing your brothers. that's really the truth here. so so what are your concerns right now as you were watching this process? um, be threatened, but still, at this point, we haven't gotten to the weekend. what are you thinking? what are your concerns? >> it's been a crazy couple of days with hamas announcing that they are withholding the talks and withholding the release of the hostages on saturday. and then president trump said what he said that if the horses won't be released on saturday, then all hell will break loose in gaza. and we are caught in the middle. and my brother were caught in the middle. but what i got so far is that both sides wants this deal to continue, and no one from israel or hamas said that the deal is off until now. so we are still optimistic that we are going to see the hostages

again going to be released this saturday. and the deal will go through with this first phase. and completely and then straight to the second phase, where my brother is at. >> as you hear some of the things that trump has said and he's said a lot lately, president trump about gaza, about this process, he said he's called for the relocation of 2 million palestinians from gaza to turn it into the riviera of the middle east. that is something that a lot of, um, arab nations have have really had a lot of difficulty with the instability that those comments have created in this process. do you have any concerns about how what he has said could affect this process? >> i'm not a politician. i have no idea what what it means and how it's going to be

facilitated. if it's going to be facilitated. i have no idea. it's way above my head. i'm here only to release my two little brothers and all the rest of the hostages. this is a humanitarian cause and all the rest. it's like so far from me, so i don't know how to comment on this and what what my feeling about this. my only concern is for my little brothers. >> yeah, you, you and your family have been through so much, lauren. and and it's it's so wonderful to hear that you got proof of life and that you can be hopeful as you look to the future and hopefully being reunited with your brothers soon. um, thank you so much for being with us. we'll keep an eye on the story of your brothers. we appreciate your time today. >> thank you very much. thank you very much, brianna. thank you. >> and we'll be right back. >> choose advil. liquid gels for

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one, which doesn't have a name yet. it still goes by its serial number. it could be that that one was going to be delayed even longer, or it could be a change in the. there's many reasons why you could change the change in the manifest and the flight rate in the use of the launch pad activities at the cape crew training. i mean, it could be a lot of things, and it probably was more than one reason that they that they did this, but they made the decision to to swap out those two spacecraft. you know, we could we could guess as to why. but but but they did that and decided to bring them back, send endurance up with this crew, which a little bit sooner, which allows them to come home a little bit earlier. >> and mike, i know that astronauts love to astronauts. so this has been a tremendous opportunity for them. but their families, can you talk a little bit about their families? they were expecting them to go on what would be a short mission, and here they have missed, i'm sure they are so supportive of them. right. sunny and butch couldn't do what they do without their support, but their families have been through quite

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