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ukraine security assistance. now, through increased contributions and greater ownership of future security assistance to ukraine. to that end, i want to thank my uk counterpart, defense secretary john healey, for hosting this ukraine defense contact group and for his leadership on support of ukraine. president trump gave me a clear mission achieve peace through strength as well as put america first. our people, our taxpayers, our borders and our security. we are doing this by reviving the warrior ethos, rebuilding our military and reestablishing deterrence. nato should pursue these goals as well. nato is a great alliance. the most successful defense alliance in

history. but to endure for the future, our partners must do far more for europe's defense. we must make nato great again. it begins with defense spending, but must also include reviving the transatlantic defense industrial base. rapidly fielding emerging technologies, prioritizing readiness and lethality, and establishing real deterrence. finally, i want to close with this. after world war ii, first general and then president eisenhower was one of nato's strongest supporters. he believed in a strong relationship with europe. however, by the end of eisenhower's presidency, even he was concerned that europe was not shouldering enough of its

own defense. nearly making, in eisenhower's words, quote, a sucker out of uncle sam. well, like president eisenhower, this administration believes in alliances, deeply believes in alliances. but make no mistake, president trump will not allow anyone to turn uncle sam into uncle sucker. thank you. and we're glad to take some questions. >> thanks very much. >> let's start with. >> all right. you were just listening to defense secretary pete hegseth speaking there at nato. i want to bring in retired air force colonel cedric leighton. also with us is cnn's fred pleitgen, who is joining us now live from moscow. to you first, cedric, he made clear reiterating what we've heard from president trump that nato countries should pay more. they want 5%, but even the u.s. doesn't pay 5% of its gdp. >> that's right. we pay about 3.36% of our gdp. so i don't

know if this means that they're going to ask congress for an increase in defense spending to make it to 5% threshold, or if the europeans are going to be basically asked to move in a direction that the u.s. is not going to be moving in. there perhaps hints that that might be the case, but it's clear that there is a difference in the way the u.s. is talking to its european allies, as opposed to how the u.s. is handling its domestic budgetary affairs when it comes to defense at this point. >> certainly be a question. if i was there, i would want to ask him right now to bring you in on this, fred. you know, he's speaking at the nato summit, and he said recently that he does not believe he thinks it's unrealistic for ukraine to be part of nato and to basically take that off the table, among other things, that that really works in russia's favor. but he also said he's not betraying ukraine, which, you know, one would imagine ukraine has a different view of this. what is

the reaction been in russia? >> mhm. well, the russians are absolutely thrilled, not just by the things that pete hegseth has been saying, but of course also by that phone call that happened last night between president trump and the russian president, vladimir putin. and you can really feel that on the ground here, pamela, in moscow and moscow, how they're already getting ready for possible talks in the future. but one of the things, of course, that pete hegseth, the secretary of defense, did say, as you mentioned, was the fact that he does not believe that ukraine will be part of nato in the in the not too distant future, at least. and that certainly is something that we've been hearing from the russians as one of their main positions as well. the russians have been telling us that for them, nato membership for ukraine is an absolute red line. i asked the deputy foreign minister of russia about this a few days ago. he said it was a red line for them. also, one of the other things that the russians have been very happy about from the trump administration as well, pamela, is the fact that pete hegseth also said that as part of any sort of mission to ukraine, foreign troops, nato

troops on the ground there, that u.s. troops would not be part of that. and that is definitely also something that the russians have been wanting to hear. pamela. >> cedric, quickly to you. why should every american watching this? why do they care? i think sometimes we get so in the weeds and and talk big picture and the global scale. but but why do americans care about this? >> they should care. because if what what happens in europe really impacts everything that happens on our continent as well. when you look at the way in which the ukraine war unfolded that resulted in energy shortages, which first affected europe but then started to affect the u.s., those were mitigated by actions by the previous administration. but those are the kinds of things that could happen. so you could have energy shortages, you could have raw material shortages, the food shortages that resulted from the attack along along the ukrainian agricultural area. all of that prevented food from getting from ukraine to the third world. and the problem

there is that that then affects things like food prices. so that's one big reason why we should care about what happens to ukraine. >> all right. thanks so much. i want to go to our manu raju now, raju now on capitol hill with the rfk jr.. what's the latest there? >> yeah. >> going on right now. >> to confirm rfk. jr. to the position of. >> health and human services. >> after weeks. >> and really. >> battling behind the scenes. >> is on track to get confirmed by the united states senate. this vote is still is not. yet at the. that's really what he needs. the 5347 republican controlled senate. all he needs is the he is assured to get. we know who senators are expected to. >> guidance. all right. clearly having some issues there with manu raju. we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn.

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vaccines, very important to senator mcconnell. he is a childhood polio survivor. and in fact, when it was came out earlier that there was someone linked to rfk jr. who was pushing to try to revoke the authorization for the polio vaccine. mcconnell issued a very strongly worded statement about that. rfk jr. later said he supports the polio vaccine, but it had been a question all along how mitch mcconnell, in a new phase of his long career, now in the rank and file, no longer the republican leader, someone who has battled with donald trump for years in the aftermath of january 6th, how he would come down on this critical nomination. but just moments ago, he voted no. and he's expected to be the lone republican senator to vote no against rfk jr., to take one of the most important positions in government to lead the health and human services department in charge of all of the nation's health agencies. this vote is still ongoing. it is expected, with mitch mcconnell's opposition to still get confirmed. rfk jr. is still expected to get confirmed, probably on a 5248 vote, with

mcconnell being the lone senator breaking ranks. but no question about it, this is a very fascinating development in a career that has been one has led his party the longest serving leader in the history of the united states senate, of either party, took arrows for his party for years, worked with donald trump to get hit. many of his parts of his agenda through getting three supreme court nominees confirmed. but now, in this phase of his career, making clear he believes trump has gone too far in certain areas, he voted against pete hegseth to be the defense secretary nominee. and just yesterday, tulsi gabbard to be the next director of national intelligence. they both still got their post, despite mcconnell's opposition and here making clear he is a no on rfk jr. as well. we'll wait to see his statement that comes out in just a matter of minutes. but one notable defection here mcconnell voting no. with the rest of the party voting yes. is rfk jr.. poised to get this critical position, pamela? >> wow. and what about kash patel? what do we know about the

vote? there? >> yeah, this just happened along party lines after a marathon session in the senate judiciary committee. he was approved 12 to 10 along party lines to advance the nomination of kash patel to the full senate. and that is expected to be come up in the senate as soon as next week, where we expect another party line vote. kash patel got this position after chris wray, the then fbi director, stepped aside. wray had a ten year term. typically, when a new president comes in, he does not install his own fbi director. but trump made clear he wanted kash patel someone who has been very loyal to the trump agenda, very loyal follower of donald trump. he wanted patel in that position. a former congressional aide on capitol hill, on the house side of the on the intelligence committee in the house side, well known in the house circles, not as well known in senate circles, but he was able to win over all republicans on that committee to back him. we expect all republicans most likely to vote for him on the senate floor. we'll see how mitch mcconnell votes on that one as well. but kash patel is also expected,

despite the controversy, to get in the position here, which shows that donald trump is getting his nominees through, getting the party in line. even his most controversial picks, whether it's rfk jr., tulsi gabbard or kash patel by next week, getting them across the finish line as republicans fall in line and democrats voice their opposition, but they don't have the votes to stop these nominees, which is why they ultimately will be confirmed. >> very, very busy morning there on capitol hill. thanks, manu. we're also going to go now to the linda mcmahon hearing. she is trump's pick to lead the education department, as you know. trump has said he wants her to put herself out of a job because he wants get rid of the department. >> public schools. >> pretty simple. >> and so. >> i want. >> to ask. >> you whether you believe. >> it is your. >> primary role. >> and responsibility. >> as secretary to support and strengthen our nation's. public schools. >> i absolutely do believe that our public schools are the bedrock of our education. you know, they go back, um, you know, to the very founding of

our country. um, i think in the first constitution, there were actually sectors of each state that were set aside for this goal of public education. and and so education is certainly understood to be so vital and so important to what we're doing. i understand, uh, the schools in alaska. i think i was in your office. we were talking about the school that i visited in keith kellogg, which is a which is an, you know, a very, very small island. and this school was being funded by sba. and this was when i was at sba. and because we were looking at the fact that there was no real community center and no glue holding the community together, and that children, especially in k through 12, often dropped out of school because they didn't see the need or the necessity to continue with education. and they would often wind up, you know, on the streets or not having jobs. i've not checked back with that school to see how it was going, but i saw the

commitment of that community to invest and to make sure that the best education and this was a state of the art school built on this island. and when i pulled up in the boat in that village, there were mothers in a smoking, uh, hut that were cutting salmon to get ready for the winter. and on the other side, there was this incredibly modern school that was being built. and i think we have to invest our public education if we can use public funds to help with tutoring in those issues and those instances where you don't have a choice to go to another school. >> and you quite possibly saw one of the very few examples of good infrastructure. um, and as we know, it's not just giving a good building. it is making sure that you have teachers that are able to stay in a village that lacks a lot of resources, a lot of support. i want to i want to pivot from that. but i do want to underscore the emphasis on

education equity across america, including in the most rural of areas, because i listen to a lot of comments around here, and it works if you're in a city, but it doesn't work in my communities, and i have an obligation to them. i want to ask you about local control here real quickly. this has been something that, as republicans, we've been talking about, this is local control, local control, local control. um, and we've got a lot of folks that are suggesting that now the public school curriculum should not include lessons in diversity, equity and inclusion. want to focus on other things? i understand. >> listening there to the hearing with linda mcmahon for education secretary. we'll be right back. >> the boeing. >> 747 has crashed in the lockerbie area. >> trying to find. >> out the why. >> of it became everything. >> nothing is what it seems in the lockerbie story. >> lockerbie, the bombing of pan

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that's for sure. >> and a judge just allowed the trump administration to move forward with its so-called buyout offer for federal employees. but the offer apparently is no longer on the table. about 75,000 workers have accepted that package. joining us now is maria smith. she's a civil rights attorney at the department of education and president of a local union that represents more than 2800 of its employees. sharia first. walk us through the impact this is having on your members. did you get the email? how many of them have received this email terminating their employment? >> we have a number. i think, counted of 60 employees that have received an email. not all of the emails, uh, mentioned that they were being terminated because of performance. uh, not all of these employees even received emails. some of them just received phone calls. uh, from their supervisors with no written instructions. what we have here is a chaotic

environment. and what i believe is intentional infliction upon the dedicated public servants in my in my agency. >> you mentioned a phone chaos. so? so tell us about that. >> just a phone call. that just a phone call. they can't get into their computers. they are. they haven't been given received any documentation. what is interesting about this is that many of my colleagues reported receiving to their personal email addresses, offers, uh, for this deferred resignation. so the agency has our personal email addresses, but yet they are not receiving to their personal email addresses or to their agency email addresses. even a written letter saying that they are terminated or explaining the reasons why. >> so tell us a little bit more about this, because it's a little bit confusing to track about exactly what's going on. do you have anyone who like, for example, accepted the buyout but are still receiving this letter? >> we do. um, so we have one

employee, uh, a disabled veteran who accepted the buyout because of the spamming to his personal email address with the deferred resignation offer. he accepted it on the 4th of february. so before the deadline. um, and he still received an email. yesterday stating that he was terminated. um, and these terminations are coming from across our agency, uh, for employees that are across the country. >> so what kind of a personal impact is this having, especially on, as you point out, this one employee, a disabled vet who thought they were taking the the buyout and paid through september and then got this email saying that they were actually fired in the confusion from that, what kind of a personal impact is there? >> again, he's traumatized and he's extremely confused. we saw emails to his supervisors, you know, trying to understand copying that supervisor to the, uh, the resignation that he gave where he accepted the offer. um,

and explained that he's disabled. he's a veteran. he'd love to come back, but he's accepting the. buyout offer. um, and confused about why the agency is not honoring its promise, uh, to those employees who accepted the offer, uh, to not terminate them. he has been terminated and has not been. you know, no one has explained to him why it is not based on his performance. >> i'm wondering for you, you're a civil rights attorney for the department of education. president trump said he wants it to go away. linda mcmahon is testifying on capitol hill today. she is set to take over. and then, as trump instructed her to, to to basically get rid of her own job as an employee there right now. what is it like? are you looking for other employment right now? >> you know, i, i came to this job from the private sector. i made considerably more money than i make now. i came to this job to work for the public. and i think that's the most important thing to to take away from here. the trauma that's being inflicted upon my

colleagues because they've dedicated their lives to serve the public, uh, the true barriers of that, that pain are going to be the members of the public. we're hearing from members of the public right now, uh, from extreme from rural areas. from urban areas. uh, a parent from kentucky emailed, um, whose attorneys that they have been working with were placed on paid administrative leave, emailed because they were concerned about the state of their sexual assault complaint against their district, that we were working with them on for free. um, and what would happen to that? we are receiving messages from universities whose fundings have been cut. um, you know, what we have is, again, chaos. and it is going to be the american people that bear the brunt of this. >> sherry smith, thank you for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we are monitoring the confirmation vote for trump's nominee for health and human

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>> yeah. and the one big reason why he was there were a lot of questions was just because of all the public statements that he had made questioning vaccines over the years question their safety, suggesting that there was a link to childhood autism and not accepting the science that debunks that notion that there is a link between the two. but even though he had his confirmation hearing, struggled on the question of vaccines linked to autism, hedged on that question. and it caused concerns among one key republican senator, bill cassidy. cassidy ultimately voted yes despite being a medical doctor, despite having his own reservations. because kennedy made commitments to him that he would not try to undermine vaccines, that he believed in the safety of vaccines. walking back some of his past statements of sorts, that was enough to win over most republican senators that won over susan collins of maine and other swing vote. also, lisa murkowski, someone who said that she still harbors some concerns about rfk jr.'s views on vaccines. and we just asked her moments ago. i said, how do you

trust her him on this issue? he said, by oversight, we're going to oversee what he decides to do here on these issues. he gave her some commitments as well. there was one very significant defection here in the in the united states senate. that was republican mitch mcconnell, the former gop leader, someone who just put out a scathing statement about rfk jr.'s views about the issue of vaccine. i'm going to read you part of it, pamela. he said that he noted that he's a childhood survivor of polio, and he talked about how vaccines have saved millions of lives around, around the world. he said he will not condone the relitigation of proven cures and neither will

>> it is a twilight of his political career of sorts, stepping aside from republican leadership, where he ushered through much of the trump agenda in his first term, there's a court and the aftermath of january 6th. >> and now he has stepped aside as republican leader, as a member of the rank and file. he has told colleagues the shackles are off. he has said that to his colleagues. and very clearly, this is the third trump nominee that he has voted against. he is the only republican senator to vote against more than one trump nominee and the other two ones, of course, tulsi gabbard to be the director of national intelligence. that happened yesterday, and pete henk smith to be the secretary of defense. now, with his opposition to robert f. kennedy jr.. that makes him three nominees that he has voted against, a major signal to the trump administration, but still not enough to stop rfk jr. from getting this important post. he was just confirmed 52 to 4852

republicans voting in his in support of his confirmation. 48 democrats opposed. 47. you and mitch mcconnell opposed. >> all right. there you go. sanjay gupta to bring you in. what kind of an impact could rfk jr. have as hhs secretary on certain health issues, including vaccines? >> well, you know, i think there are two prevailing themes. one was the theme of, you know, making america healthy again, which had pretty broad support, frankly, had a lot of echoes of what we've heard in the past from like, the let's move campaign from michelle obama, for example. but that, you know, that has broad support. trying to make people healthier. we spend a lot of money on healthcare. we don't see enough in return for those dollars. i think this issue of vaccines was the linchpin. and, you know, we got a sense of it. you know, during the confirmation hearings of where this was headed, especially after doctor bill cassidy, senator bill cassidy came out and voted for him in that procedural vote, but also said, you know, a couple of things. he said, as you can see on the screen there, after

speaking with with kennedy, he said that there was there was assurances that that he was going to work within the current approval and safety monitoring systems. he was going to maintain something that we reported a lot on. what is something called acip. that's an advisory group on vaccines and also the language, even on the cdc website, there would it would continue to say that vaccines don't cause autism. now, these were assurances that kennedy gave to to. cassidy. um, they're not enforceable. we'll have to sort of see how that plays out. so i guess the answer to your question, pamela, is we will see. i mean, i think there's a lot of things that he wants to do with regard to disrupting, uh, things that would make america healthy again with vaccines. if i had to sort of predict, i don't think that there would be that much of an impact on the childhood vaccine schedule, for example. and as manu just pointed out, there's going to be a lot of oversight around that. very specifically. >> all right. cnn chief medical

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could be the strategy for president trump, elon musk and the doge team. after all, musk said this back in 2020. >> government is simply the largest corporation. there's some people. i think it's a false dichotomy to look at government and sort of industry as separate government is simply a corporation. in the limit, it is the ultimate corporation with a monopoly. >> i want to bring in cnn global economic analyst and associate editor for the financial times, rana foroohar and victoria elliott, who is a reporter at wired who has covered elon musk extensively. victoria, first to you from this, from your reporting, is this still musk's view of government? does this reflect what he's doing right now? >> well, i definitely think, if not his view of government, it certainly reflects his own business practices. you know, when he took over twitter in 2022, he brought in executives and engineers from his other

companies to, you know, interrogate employees, do code reviews, sort of make them justify their jobs? he did mass firings, even using the same title in the email. that fork in the road email. um, and he also cut a lot of the roles in trust and safety, the type of people who keep hate speech or disinformation off the platform. you know, these sort of, um, roles that could sometimes be seen as cost centers a little bit because they weren't necessarily driving new users with new products, but were ultimately things that really helped a lot of users feel safe. so, you know, i think if the idea that the government is just one big corporation, you know, i'm not in his mind. i don't want to speak for him. but i think we can definitely see his business philosophy coming out in the way that doge seems to be going into agencies, and the way that he is really honing in on firing people and cutting costs.

>> ron, to bring you in on this conversation, you've written that the chaos we're seeing, um, could all be part of a governing philosophy. it has different names. it's also known as dark enlightenment, perpetuated by this blogger, curtis yarvin, who has been cited by jd vance and peter thiel. yarvin recently gave an interview about his views to the new york times. >> what's so bad about democracy? >> all right. to make a long story short, whether you want to call washington, lincoln and fdr dictators the sort of, you know, appropriate word, what they were was basically national ceos and they were running the government like a company from the top down. >> so why is democracy so bad? >> so it's not even that democracy is bad. it's just that it's very weak. >> so, rhonda, those ideas, once the fringe are now becoming more mainstream, what is the impact of treating the government like a startup business? the fallout from failure is much different,

obviously, between a startup and a >> do is very much in keeping with that. i mean, he's going into the treasury, for example, and saying, i want the keys to the plumbing the u.s. >> and global financial system. and when people say no, they get fired. you know, we're seeing lawsuit after lawsuit, um, about what's happening in the administration and particularly a lot that's being perpetuated by doge that is illegal. you know, i mean, it's, you know, we're seeing restraining orders. i'm sure that when the

dust settles, it's all going to be found to be illegal. but it is in keeping with the way that silicon valley operates. a lot of people in the valley are extremely libertarian. they really believe that government has, you know, democracy in a way, has sort of outlived its usefulness. and they would like to see, um, a world without government. i mean, they they buy into free trade areas and special cities that are sort of, you know, run by private armies. it's it's a long standing trend. and i think elon is just the apex of of what we've seen. >> and of course, we can't get into his head, but certainly the actions he has taken, the words he has used, we played some of that is reflective of that. he just said this recently actually equating federal agencies to weeds. let's listen to his sound. >> we do need to. um, delete entire agencies as opposed to leave part of them behind.

because if you leave part of them behind, it's easy. it's kind of like if leaving a weed, if you don't remove the roots of the weed, then it's easy for the weed to grow back. but if you remove the roots of the weed, it doesn't stop weeds from ever growing back. but it makes it harder. so. so we have to really delete entire agencies. many of them. >> so victoria, from the access that elon musk and his doge team have right now, what are we seeing today with the scores of firings? you know that's what we're seeing. do you see this as an effort to consolidate power in the executive branch as part of this overall effort that ronna was just talking about? >> yeah, i mean, i definitely think that we are seeing particularly with, you know, the way that doge and musk and the trump administration has approached usaid, you know, agencies are set up by congress, they're funded by congress. that is fundamentally, you know, the the entity that has the ability to do that and to authorize funding. and so this

sort of desire to rip up these agencies without necessarily going through the protocol that's clearly set out, does definitely seem to be a an end run to try and consolidate this power in the executive branch, specifically through, you know, being able to turn on the taps or turn off the taps of funding. and, you know, i think a really great point here also is that, like musk has sometimes not necessarily directly quoted thinkers like curtis yarvin, but people he's close to, like peter thiel, the billionaire chairman of palantir, you know, have long sort of been clear supporters and readers of yarvin. and i think, like, you know, in our reporting, we've seen people from both musk companies and thiel's companies as part of the doge effort. >> yeah, i think that's a really important point there. um, so, ron, if we continue this analogy of the government as a corporation, as part of this overall philosophy in silicon valley, what positions do

president trump and elon musk have right now? >> well, i would say they're insider traders. um, you know, they're they fancy themselves co-ceos. of course, i will say, as somebody who's covered business for 33 years, um, co-ceo positions never work. well, somebody always gets ousted. so we'll see. we'll see what happens there. um, but what's so concerning is that the access that musk and his team have gotten so far allows them all kinds of potentially insider runarounds. i mean, you could, you know, front trade, um, treasury auctions, you could get access to, um, funding, early funding information that might benefit certain industries or companies. um, you know, if you have the keys to the treasury, you can authorize payments to be made or not made. i mean, these are these are the sorts of powers that you haven't seen really since, um, several centuries ago. the time of kings and autocrats. and

again, i mean, just like maya angelou said, when people show you who they are, believe them. um, folks like, uh, musk and peter thiel and the whole crew that we're talking about, the libertarians in the valley have been saying for many years that they think democracy is broken and that we should move to a world in which there really is a different kind of power structure. and i think that what we're seeing is eerily similar to some of those statements. >> um, and just to be clear for our viewers, what you laid out is what your concern about the possibility. we just don't know. right? i mean, there has been a lack of transparency in terms of what exactly what access elon and his staffers have and what they're looking at, even though they are putting out, quote unquote, receipts of programs that they think are are wasteful. and a judge did say that they couldn't have access anymore to that treasury system. but again, lots of questions still about all of this. um, i'm curious, victoria, to wrap this up with you, what you think

about musk and trump's apparent love affair, if you want to call it that? uh, trump has a history, as we know, of dramatic fallouts with his closest advisors. once they start challenging him too much or getting too much attention. right now, though, publicly at least, it doesn't seem like that's happening. >> well, you know, i think a couple of things, you know, on the surface, it seems that they they, the two of them are pretty copacetic. are reporter at wired. um, our freelance reporter, jake lahoot, um, published a piece last week about sort of how people within trump's inner circle are getting a little uncomfortable with the level of power and access. musk and his doge team seem to have across agencies. but, you know, i think at the end of the day, um, even though we perhaps they may clash, um, in private, you know, they are mutually beneficial to each other. you know, musk is able to do some of the things that might be otherwise really unpopular.

you know, cutting programs and funding for things that people rely on is not something that a lot of voters are going to be super excited about. but trump gets to maintain a little bit of distance from that part of his agenda. and for musk, you know, he can sort of hone in and focus on this stuff that has become his personal pet project witho the sort of other stuff that the president has to necessarily deal with. and, and trump can sort of take on that, that element. so i do think even if there might be a push pull there, it might not come out in public. and i don't know that it would necessarily change the way that either of them are behaving right now. >> victoria. rana. really interesting and important discussion. thank you both. and thank you for joining us. i'm pamela brown. you can follow me on instagram, tiktok and x at pamela brown cnn. stay with us. inside politics with dana bash starts after a short break. >> have i got news for you is back for another season. roy wood jr., amber ruffin and michael ian black are finding the funny in the week's biggest stories. >> going to give you all four

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