his deciding to go in. yeah. >> when elon musk met with prime minister. modi earlier. >> today. >> did he do so as an. >> american ceo. >> or did he do so as. >> a representative. >> of. >> the u.s. >> government? >> uh, are you talking about me? >> no. elon musk? >> elon i don't know. he they met and i assume he wants to do business in india. but india is a very hard place to do business in because of the tariffs. they they have the highest tariffs just about in the world. and it's a hard place to do business. no, i would imagine he met possibly because you know, he's running a company. he's uh he's doing this as a, as something that he's felt strongly about for a long time because he sees what's happening and he sees how the country is really being hurt badly by all of the fraud, waste and abuse. yeah. >> so how would. >> you know whether he's meeting with the ceo. >> or meeting with a representative of your government? >> uh, well, he's meeting with me in a little while, so i'm going to ask him that question. all right. i'll ask him that question. yeah.

>> what should we expect, sir? you mentioned obviously steel and aluminum and pharmaceuticals. what are you thinking about? those tariffs. we haven't talked about that. >> i think autos are coming soon. i think they're all coming more or less at the same time. and it's not going to be a big shock to the system. but what it's going to do is it's going to bring pharmaceuticals back to our country. much more important than the money. it's a lot of money, but it's going to bring pharmaceuticals back to our country. it's going to bring chips back to our country. it's going to bring, uh, automobile. we're going to do a lot more automobile manufacturing in our country. you know, when i did this, when i announced this, uh, during the campaign, they were going to build the largest car plant in the world in mexico was almost under construction. it was just starting. and when they heard me make that statement and they thought i was going to win the election, actually, it was a few months before the election itself. china was building the the car plant. it was going to be the largest in the world. they immediately stopped construction. you can see the

foundations there. they immediately stopped when they heard i was doing this. that would have destroyed detroit. it would have destroyed michigan. this plant would have taken up more than almost the whole state built, and it would have it would have been very destructive when they heard me speak and they said, wow, if he gets in, we're going to we're going to lose our shirt. so they stopped building. that's the impact that tariffs have. again, you know, i say it and i say it loudly. it's the most beautiful word. but now i say religion love and a couple of other things are more beautiful because i got a lot of problems with the fake news when they said, oh, other things are more important, god is more important. but these are the words. but i would say it's number 4 or 5. to me. it's it's the most beautiful. and i'll tell you what i think really reciprocal tariffs. those two words uh, reciprocal or reciprocal makes tariffs really fair. >> tom mcclintock seems to be no exemptions. right. it would be all auto imports. >> any exemptions. no because you don't need to with

reciprocal. you don't need to. >> mr. president. mr. president hannah kliger do you arrived. at the. fox radio. >> do you have a update. >> on the tiktok negotiations. >> yeah we have a lot of people. running out. sure. well, i have 90 days from about two weeks ago. right. uh, and i'm sure it can be extended, but let's see, i don't think you'll need to. we have a lot of people interested in tiktok, and, uh, i hope to be able to make a deal. i think it would be good. you know, people have learned it's very popular, and we'll have to probably get approval from china to do it. but we have a lot of people that are interested and a lot of people, i think china will be interested because it's to their benefit too. so i look forward to that. but we have a lot of people that are interested in tiktok, quite a few. >> mr. president, doge workers arrived today. hannah kliger and others arrived today at the irs. do you expect to close the irs or what are you expecting? >> no, i don't expect it. but but i think i think that the

internal revenue service will be looked at like everybody else. just about everybody is going to be looked at. so it's, uh, they're doing a hell of a job. it's an amazing job they're doing. and, you know, that force is building these i call it the force of super geniuses, but it's building. and, you know, they go up and they talk to some of the people about certain deals, and the people get all tongue tied. they can't talk because these people get it. they're very smart people. we need smart people. >> yes. ryan on tariffs, sir. >> brian. >> yes, sir. >> mr. president, i know that during the campaign it was huge in pennsylvania. as far as bringing back manufacturing. we talked to any ceos since the tariffs were announced and steel and aluminum. what's the feedback from those cases. >> they are in love with it as you know, in pennsylvania, u.s. steel is through the roof. they're all through the roof. that's why i didn't want u.s. steel to make a deal with japan or anybody else. i think it's going to do great. but, um, i think maybe more than anybody else, the steel companies and aluminum companies, they're in love with what's happened. and

this will eventually be the car companies and chip companies. we have to have chips made in this country right now. we everything is made in taiwan. practically almost all of it, a little bit in south korea. but everything, almost all of it is made in taiwan and we want it to be made. we want those companies to come to our country. in all due respect, you know, they took they took the business away, taiwan took our chip business away. we had intel, we had these great companies that did so well, and it was taken from us. and we want that business back. we want it back in the united states. and if they don't bring it back, we're not going to be very happy. >> can you mention tariffs. >> pharmaceuticals, pharmaceuticals as well? in china? that's national security to bring that back. >> china and other places. we want to get the pharmaceutical and drug business back into the united states, where it should be. >> right on on tariffs. are you concerned that the countries that would be most affected, like india, would just shift their trading. >> to china?

>> no, i'm not concerned about anything really. i mean, i'm just i'm just doing what's fair. this is a very fair thing. this should have been done a long time ago. i would have done it. but then covid hit. i was getting ready to do this years ago and first term we had the most successful economy in history. and then covid hit and i was this was going to be the the thing that i was most waiting to do, but it was awfully hard to do this with italy and france and spain and these all those people were dying. and then we put tariffs on. i have a i have a big heart. >> sir, on ukraine. when putin says that he really wants peace, do you believe him? >> yeah, i do, i believe he wants peace. i believe that president putin, when i spoke to him yesterday, i mean, i know him very well. yeah, i think he wants peace. i think he would tell me if he didn't. i think i'd like to see peace. >> do you trust president? >> i believe that, uh, yeah. i believe that he would like to see something happen. i trust him on this subject. uh, i think he'd like to see something

happen. i think it could have happened a long time ago. i think biden number one. it shouldn't have started. but it did. and now all those cities are knocked down like demolition sites. all those beautiful golden towers are knocked down. there's nothing going to replace them. but much more importantly, you lost millions of people, a lot of soldiers, but you lost millions of people when they knocked down those cities, and they're all laying down on the side. they're lying down just, uh, in ashes and all crumbled up concrete. they literally looked like a world class demolition site. and many of them, almost all of them, but many of them. and this should have been done by biden years ago. this should have never been allowed to happen. i know he's a friend of yours. he's a friend of cnn. that's why nobody watches cnn anymore. because they have no, no credibility. okay. who else? yes, please. >> if you can find a buyer in the united states for tiktok, do you think xi jinping will authorize the sale of it, or will? >> i'm going to make it

worthwhile for china to do it, i think so, i mean, i got to know tiktok because during the election, i ended up with 36% higher than my opponent with youth. okay. that never happened before. i mean, you know, that's always been a democrat thing. youth. it became a trump thing. and i think tiktok, i think joe rogan was a part of it. some of the great people that i did interviews with were a part of it. but i think that tick tock, tick tock was a i think it was a big part. look, as you know, we were up by 36% with youth. the republican was never up with youth, and i focused on tiktok and i found it to be amazing, actually, and very fair. and i think the image of tiktok is different than it was before the election. i think people saw it and they view it as a positive, not a negative. i think it will be to china's advantage to have the deal be made. yeah. >> how much money do you think you'll raise from tariffs on an annual basis? >> that's the most interesting

question. i think it'll be a staggering amount. um, it will be the external i call it the external revenue service. that was the name that was devised by a few of us. but it's i think it's going to be a staggering amount. >> it's the number 1 trillion floated in meetings with senators. is that a number you thought of? >> i don't know, but already the senate saying, well, wait a minute. you know, they're looking at some of the numbers and they're saying, whoa, this is look, we want to i say america first. i say make america great again. that's what we're doing. this is i think it's the most important thing i've signed. i've signed some very important things. right. to try was so important. i mean, a lot of important things. space force, the biggest tax cuts in history. this could be one of the most important things that we've ever signed. >> do you expect the russians and president putin to attend the summit in saudi arabia? >> um. eventually, yeah, not quite yet. it's a little early. they're having a meeting in

munich. tomorrow. russia is going to be there with, uh, our people. ukraine is also invited, by the way. uh, i'm not sure exactly who's going to be there from any country, but high level people from russia, from ukraine and from the united states. you're going. >> to have russia back to the g7, sir. >> i'd love to have them back. i think it was a mistake to throw them out. look, it's not a question of liking russia or not liking russia. it was the g8. and, you know, i said, what are you doing, you guys? all you're talking about is russia. and you, they should be sitting at the table. i think putin would love to be back. obama and a couple of other people made a mistake and they got russia out. it's very possible that if that was the g8, you wouldn't have had the problem with ukraine. and if i was president, you definitely wouldn't have had the problem with ukraine. russia would have never attacked ukraine. but but you asked a very good question. the g8 used to be the g8, and then these people threw them out. and i was arguing with, uh, trudeau and

with with numerous of the people, actually, uh, prime minister abe, a great man from japan, agreed with me 100%. and some of the others did, too. but i got there. it was the g7, as you know, they they had already been terminated. i think it would have been very helpful, and it still would be helpful to have russia be a part of that mix. and i think if they were, i don't think you would have had the problem that you have right now. >> as part of the g20. they kicked them out, of course, because they illegally annexed crimea. i mean, how would you have responded if russia invaded or took over. >> took crimea during. uh, obama 2014? they took, they took. now they're looking to take the whole thing. then they took a big chunk of land. and people, as you know, during bush, and now they're trying to take the whole thing during biden. you know, the only one that didn't give him anything is trump. they never took anything with trump. nothing. not two inches of property, of of land. but they had crimea was obama. and then

bush gave him a lot, you remember? and then in fact, it's a sort of a standard little phrase. and biden is giving them everything because this is a war that shouldn't have been had. and the only one that didn't give him anything is trump. that's the way it. >> is. >> president trump wall street about these tariffs. there's been some nervousness on wall street. >> about the impact. >> i mean, there hasn't been very much. and i think it's going to make the united states stronger. and in many ways it could make other countries stronger, too. you know, other countries want to have a strong united states. they want to have a strong america. and i think it's going to make us very, very strong, much stronger. and we have a lot of work we're doing on the military, our military already, i've authorized some contracts to be built that are very substantial. we're building the greatest equipment in the world. we have the greatest military equipment in the world. we're building it. at some point when things settle down, i'm going to meet with china, and i'm going to meet

with russia in particular, those two. and i'm going to say there's no reason for us to be spending almost $1 trillion on military. there's no reason for you to be spending $400 billion. china is going to be at 400 billion. we're at a trillion. we're going to be at close to a trillion. and and i'm going to say we can settle this or we can spend this on other things. we don't have to spend this on military because and i'm going to be meeting with china. you know, we were trying to de-escalate nuclear. and i was in a position where russia had agreed and china had agreed we were going to start, and then we had a rigged election. so that never took place. but this one was too big to rig. we won by so much that it was too big to rig. >> the china meeting. >> in the united states. >> or would you travel to china for that? >> for what? >> the china meeting? would you do that? >> i tell people all the time, you know, the question is, who's going to have the first meeting? where are you going to go? i say this to to putin, to president xi. i say to everybody, uh, never bothered

me. you know, i'm willing to say i'll go first. it doesn't matter. it's the end result that counts. so it doesn't make any difference. >> do you want to have a conversation about global defense spending? you. china? >> i'd like to have that. as soon as things settle down, i'm going to have that conference primarily with china and russia, because those are the two that that really are out there. and we're going to have them spend a lot less money, and we're going to spend a lot less money. and i know they're going to do it. they agreed to it. we were talking about nuking denuclearize, denuclearize. and, uh, president putin and i agreed that we were going to do it in a very big way. there's no reason for us to be building brand new nuclear weapons. we already have so many. you could destroy the world 50 times, over 100 times over. and here we are building new nuclear weapons, and they're building nuclear weapons, and china is building nuclear weapons, and china is trying to catch up because, you know, they're they're very substantially behind. but within 5 or 6 years, they'll be even.

and we're all spending a lot of money that we could be spending on other things that are actually, hopefully, much more productive. hopefully they'll never be a time when we need those weapons. if there's ever a time when we need nuclear weapons, like the kind of weapons that we're building and that russia has, and that china has to a lesser extent, but will have, that's going to be a very sad day. that's going to be probably oblivion. >> you see that in separate conversations. or do you see one giant summit with you, xi jinping and vladimir putin? >> yeah, i could see that. let things calm down a little bit. you know, when i left, we had no middle east problem. we had no russia going into ukraine. they never would have done it. putin never would have done it. and i came back and we got like, the whole world is blowing up. so when we straighten it all out, then i want to have one of the first meetings i want to have is with president xi of china, president putin of russia. and i want to say, let's cut our military budget in half and we

can do that. and i think we and i think we'll be able to do it. >> elon musk identify as wasteful spending in the defense department, defense contractors and the like. are you willing to go after that spending as well? >> that's been. >> go we have to go waste fraud and abuse. yeah. and we're doing that. >> could we you know, i'm just wondering about your conversations on defense spending. would you want to do that as a trilateral, or would you use the existing body that also already includes china and russia, the g20? >> i know it's the people. it's president putin, president xi, i don't need bodies. i don't need anything. it's people. it's all about people. it's about relationship and people. and, you know, i've had a good relationship with president putin. i've had a good relationship with president xi. it's about people. and i think when things straighten out, which i hope will be in the not too distant future, the meeting i want to have first is a meeting with china and a meeting with russia on slowing down, stopping and reducing nuclear

weapons in particular, and also on not having to spend the kind of money we're all spending on weapons, military weapons generally. >> i think my question is, would you have those meetings separately with each of those leaders, or would you try to bring them all together? >> you start off separately. and that's what was happening. i was dealing with president putin. we had really an understanding where we were going to denuclearize. what a beautiful term that is, right? denuclearize. what a great thing. if we could do that and we were going to he he really liked the idea and so did i. and we had then called china. and china was very open to it. and then the covid hit and then we had a rigged election. but now there was no rigged election. now we have a an election that was too big to rig. that's what my whole thing was too big to rig. and they tried, but they didn't pull it off. >> as part of the reciprocal tariffs. would you also direct agencies to study the impact they. >> would have on prices in the u.s.?

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those taxes, which, by the way, do not kick in immediately, but justifying them by saying the eu, the european union has been very nasty. he dinged canada as well. um, and he also, of course talked about ukraine and russia. >> yeah. and that perhaps was some of the most notable commentary coming from trump there saying that he trusts vladimir putin on ukraine. and though he says that kyiv is going to have a seat at the negotiating table, he looks forward to eventually meeting with putin in saudi arabia. and he added to comments made yesterday by the secretary of defense, pete hegseth, saying that he does not see how russia, a country in russia's position, would allow ukraine to join nato. and then in what was a confusing array, this sort of explanation of history that was off. uh, trump essentially said that the war in ukraine would not have happened had former president obama not kicked russia out of the g8 to fact

check that russia was kicked out of the g8 for annexing crimea, which is a part of ukraine, or was a part of ukraine until russia took over it. so that's a weird basis for logic there. he also talked about elon musk. >> yeah that's right. and he said that he thinks that doge the department of government efficiency is doing a great job. he said very smart people there. uh, they are at the irs. doge is. and he said that, you know, he doesn't expect the irs to go away, but he thinks that they're going to be looked at like everyone else. they're doing a hell of a job. that's what he said about doge and elon musk. >> and one other thing that was noteworthy. he pointed out, a reporter pointed out that musk had met with prime minister modi of india earlier in the day. and trump was asked specifically whether musk had met with modi as a representative of the u.s. government or as a ceo. of course, musk has all these government contracts. >> not just. >> not just with the united states. he has business in china. he apparently wanted to talk to modi. uh, and trump said that he didn't know if they

talked business, but that he would ask modi later in the day when they are set to meet. >> yeah. which really highlights the conflicts here for elon musk. all right. we have an all star group of folks to break down all of this. and we're going to need every last one of them. um, let's begin here in studio we have mark preston and aaron klein with us. what stood out to you aaron, on the tariffs? >> so what stands out to me on the tariffs is something that makes sense and something that doesn't. the first is he's not just going to be reciprocal in terms of the exact tariff rate on the line item. he's going to include things like currency manipulation or other import subsidies, export subsidies that the countries have. that makes sense. then he goes further and says he's going to include vats, which is like a sales tax very common in other countries, particularly in europe, which makes absolutely no sense if you include the european vat in a reciprocal tariff, you're just going to be upping and starting a trade war by having a number that's way too high. >> explain that though. let's say, okay, well, if someone is purchasing a bmw and there's like a 20 something percent vat

on it, well, why should that not be included? >> because there's a 20% vat on a chevy to the vats are reciprocal. it would be like including a u.s. sales tax. you know, some states have different sales taxes than others. in fact, when you see a car advertised, it's usually not including sales tax in the price it's added on. it's not a trade levy, it's a value added levy. it's their version of a national sales tax. and that makes no sense. that is not a trade element. >> mark. we've seen donald trump bounce around on a number of policy issues throughout his political career, but something that he's maintained for decades now is this sense that the united states is being taken advantage of by the rest of the world. so this announcement today very much plays into who donald trump has built himself as. >> yeah. no doubt. and look, he's not the only one. i mean, there's a reason why he won the election, right? he is standing up for what a lot of people in america think that our leaders have not done for many, many years. you know, aaron and i were talking about just about some of the cuts that we're seeing right now and just how

devastating they are going to be in some places. but yet there is still, uh, there is still fat on the bone, so to speak. there is programs throughout the federal government that were not only championed by democrats, but also republicans that would be considered fat. so donald trump, when he goes in there, he tries to be very simple about things. he tries to speak in very plain terms. and you know what? he seems more believable than some expert who or some somebody who's been in washington for 20 or 25 years who keeps saying the same thing in your life hasn't changed. >> this argument that free trade has been good for people, that we've had a good deal with china for 20 years, has been soundly rejected by the american people. soundly. right. but you haven't seen a major change. and he's speaking to that. the problem is his policies aren't implementing what he's speaking. he's not going in cutting out waste, fraud and abuse. you want to find that? look at the paycheck protection program that he put out in covid, which was rampant with fraud. no, no, no, he's taking a sledgehammer and destroying things on an ideological basis, not rooting

out things. >> oh, i was going to say let's let's talk a little bit about russia and ukraine. it was such a large part of what he talked about there in the oval office. i want to bring in jill dougherty to talk a little bit about this. jill, you heard him. he said, i believe putin wants peace. i trust him on the subject. the war wouldn't have started if i had been president. and he went on to note repeatedly, he said, the only person who is president that putin did not basically do a land grab during their presidency was trump. he did it during bush. he did it during obama. he did it during biden. uh, trump, notably, of course, kind of russia, even as it had interfered with the u.s. election in 2016. we should note. >> right. well, i mean, trump right now is poised to give. >> vladimir putin everything. >> that he wants. uh, you know, crimea. eastern part. >> of the donbas, eastern part of ukraine, everything.

>> that. >> um, that president putin wants is being offered to him even before the negotiations begin. although you could you could say that the negotiations have already begun. and they are between russia and the united states. and then ukraine. so this is a real, um, i'd say, quite surprising development and happening very fast. i mean, look at everything that vladimir putin got out of this news conference. he got, um, let's get russia back in the g-7. he got, i believe, putin when he says, uh, that he wants peace. he got, uh, i think also this idea that president trump has, which is, you know, it's called the great man theory, that it's it's not organizations, it's not the world organizations. it's great men. putin, trump, xi who decide everything. and that's exactly what we got. we

also got i mean, you go down the list, we also got no nato for russia. in fact, president putin said russia should have some type. i don't see why any country like russia, um, should could allow ukraine to become part of nato. russia doesn't have a veto on membership in nato. so, um, i'm i'm pretty astounded by how well putin came out of this. his conversation with the president was very effective because president putin, president trump, is quoting almost everything that vladimir putin wants. >> let's go to alex marquardt, who's also with us. i believe he's coming to us live from munich, where a security conference is set to kick off in the coming days. and alex trump alluded to the munich security conference, in part because we know that his vice president, jd vance, is set to meet with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. trump here describing

that there's a lot of forks in the game is the way that he described these negotiations to end the war in ukraine. what does this actually mean for kyiv? >> well, and. >> you also can have secretary of state marco rubio. >> among other european, among other american officials here, alongside european officials here in munich. when this conference gets started tomorrow. so there's the really the main focus of this of the next few days here in munich is going to be ukraine. i'm not sure that that kyiv took much comfort in what president trump just said about. of course, ukraine will be involved in the conversation. there certainly is a sense, i think, among ukrainian officials, that the u.s. is barreling ahead with the deal over their country, mostly talking to russia about it. we heard president zelenskyy saying in the wake of those two phone calls with president trump and president putin and then his own with president trump, that it was not pleasant. the fact that the russians got the first call. but here we have president trump saying that, of course, the ukrainians are going to be at the table when it comes to striking a deal. and the big

question now, boris, and i think this is what we're going to be focused on for the next few days, is what does the contours. what do the contours of that deal actually look like? and i agree with, with jill dougherty, in that there are a lot of people wondering why the u.s. is giving so much to russia before the negotiations have even started. pete hegseth saying yesterday that an eventual deal would not include nato membership for the ukrainians, that u.s. troops would not be part of a peacekeeping force, that the security guarantees would not come through the americans. instead, it would come from the europeans. so it certainly appears to a lot of the europeans and to the ukrainians that russia is starting with a leg up here. and i can tell you that the conversations the next few days between the americans, the ukrainians and the europeans are going to be focused on essentially two major buckets. what what is the security assistance? what are the weapons that ukraine is going to continue getting from the united states? and what are they going to have to pay for those weapons? there's been a lot of talk about rare earth minerals

that the u.s. wants to get their hands on inside ukraine. and then what are the security guarantees? we now appear to we now are hearing from the u.s. side that there will not be a nato guarantee. there won't be what's known as an article five guarantee if russia chooses to attack ukraine in the future. so so what does that look like? and you can be certain that the ukrainians and the and the europeans are going to be lobbying vice president vance, secretary rubio and others to make sure that that flow of weapons continues and that there is some kind of guarantee in place that if this deal is struck, that russia cannot just turn around again in a few years and attack ukraine again, brianna. >> alex, thank you. and daniel dale, our fact checker, is with us now. daniel, where would you like to start? >> well. >> mitch mcconnell had polio. i've never heard anyone question. >> that until president trump did today. i don't like is that a conspiracy theory that even existed before today? i don't know, that was something before. >> before you go on, daniel, let's provide some context for our viewers. i don't think we've touched on that yet. we actually

have the sound bite here. president trump was asked by kaitlan collins, cnn chief white house correspondent, whether trump was questioning if mitch mcconnell had polio, something that he has been open about and has spoken in favor of vaccines and how they aided him. let's listen to that interaction. >> yes, sir. we saw robert f. kennedy junior get confirmed. he's in a come in here and be sworn in. mitch mcconnell has now voted against several of your nominees. he voted against rfk jr. as the next health secretary, citing conspiracy theories. what's your reaction to that? >> well, i feel sorry for mitch. uh, and i was one of the people that said he couldn't. he wanted to go to the end, and he wanted to stay leader. he wasn't. he's not equipped mentally. he wasn't equipped. ten years ago, mentally, in my opinion, he let the republican party go to hell. if i didn't come along, the republican party wouldn't even exist right now. mitch mcconnell never really had it. he had an ability to raise money because of his position as leader, which

anybody could do. you could do it even. and that's saying a lot. but the fact is that he raised money and he gave a lot of money to senators. and so he had a little loyalty based on the fact that as leader, you can raise a lot of money. senators would call me and they say he wants to give me 20, 25 million. can i take it? i'd say take the money, take the money. but he so he engendered a certain amount of i don't even call it loyalty. you know, he was able to get votes, but, uh, i was the one that got him to drop out of the leadership position. so he can't love me. but he's not voting against bobby. he's voting against me. but that's all right. he endorsed me. you know, mitch, do you know that mitch endorsed me, right? do you think that was easy? what? >> he had polio, obviously. and i don't know. >> i don't know anything about. he had polio. he had polio. uh. >> are you doubting that he had polio? >> i have no idea if he had polio. all i can tell you about him is that he shouldn't have been a leader. he knows that. he voted against bobby. he voted

against almost everything. now he's a, you know, very bitter guy. and, uh, we have a very strong party. and he's almost not even really a very powerful member. i'd say he's not a power. he's lost his power. and it's affected his vote. and, you know, it's one of those things. but in the meantime, bobby did great, got more votes than anybody thought. and i think he's going to do phenomenally, just phenomenally in that position. and everybody else likewise did well. not only well, they got more votes than. >> all right. so that was the moment that we were talking about where, um, trump appeared to cast doubts on whether mitch mcconnell had had polio. daniel dale um, he did. >> yeah, he he did. he talked about it for decades. and that was just one of the the claims, i think, that are worth fact checking. >> daniel, i'm so sorry i keep interrupting you, but i do just want to let our viewers know you're watching the swearing in of, uh, rfk jr.. for hhs

secretary as we're watching this. sorry, daniel. go ahead. >> no problem. so president trump repeated this claim that he won the youth vote by 36 points over former vice president harris. he did not win the youth vote at all. harris won it, let alone trump winning by 36. repeated, of course, his usual lie about the rigged 2020 election, which he lost fair and square, legitimately. and then he repeated this more important claim. i think now that the u.s. has provided hundreds of billions more aid to ukraine than european countries have collectively, according to a german think tank that studies this issue closely, it is europe that has provided tens of billions more aid than the u.s. had, both in terms of committed aid and the aid that's actually been allocated. so that's a reversal of reality from president trump, he said. we had no middle east problem when he left office. i mean, that's a that's a come on. we had an unresolved israeli palestinian conflict, u.s. troops in iraq. we had u.s. troops in syria. we had a civil war in syria, in yemen. so just nonsense there. he also suggested that china had been open to denuclearization

when he was president the first time. he certainly privy to much more. you know, he has conversations with china that i'm not privy to, but in public, at least, china forcefully rejected even being part of the talks that the u.s. was having with russia, saying that it had such a small arsenal, china, that it didn't need to be involved. and then finally, he blamed the invasion of ukraine by russia, among other things, on president biden supposedly saying that ukraine could join nato. again. i don't know what biden was saying privately, but he never explicitly said that ukraine was anywhere close to joining nato. he left the door open to it, but repeatedly made it clear to the ukrainians that ukraine, in his view, was far away from being able to join the alliance. >> yeah, he said, it was in their hands, meaning that they needed to show that they were ready to be a part of the organization. >> precisely. daniel dale, thank you so much for breaking that down for us. we have to take a quick break. we'll keep breaking down the latest from the oval office. when we come back.

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>> the thing is, though, the damage may already be done here. many of those usaid workers, they left scrambling from dangerous global hotspots, unsure what comes next or afraid for their safety. even one agency diplomat telling cnn, quote, we feel like psychological warfare is being waged against us. joining us now is jeremy vandyke. he's a former senior usaid official who led the global disaster response under president obama and the covid 19 response under president biden. he's now the president of refugees international. uh, your reaction just to this ruling? >> well. >> i think. >> it's it's good. >> to see that the judge. >> still is not buying. >> the government's arguments. you know, the government. >> has been. >> trying to. >> claim that they are doing this. >> lawfully and appropriately. >> that's not at all the case. they are doing this almost entirely outside of any sort of legal bounds, any sort of required processes. um, you know, what it is doing is, as

the plaintiffs argued and as you referenced just a moment ago, is really putting usaid personnel in harm's way. one of the really striking affidavits that's been filed in that case talks about people who were being evacuated out of out of kinshasa, the capital of the congo, after there was significant unrest in town. and as they were being evacuated, they weren't sure if they still had jobs. they weren't sure if they would be supported when they come back. normally, when u.s. personnel are pulled out of an unsafe overseas post, they get support. when they come back here, they were just dumped in a hotel for two days. not sure if they had jobs, not sure if they would have anywhere to go after those two days. it's really unconscionable how they're being treated. >> jeremy, i do wonder how you think this legal fight wraps up, because if it winds up in the hands of the supreme court, this is a court that, as you've seen, is willing to buck with precedent. do you think they would hand president trump, the executive in this case, the sort of powers that allow him to

transcend congressional appropriations? >> well, this this is the huge question in this case and some of the other legal challenges. you know, he is rather than trying to follow the law or change the law, he is proceeding to try and ignore the law and then basically dare the courts and dare congress to see if they can stop him. i hope he does not get away with that, both because that would be very damaging in this case for usaid and for the many, many people abroad who depend on u.s. aid and the many americans who are made safer every day by u.s. aids work. but it also raises really troubling questions about the. constitution. if a president can choose to ignore the law, and if the courts ultimately let him get away with that, we are in a very dangerous place. >> so tell us what this has meant in really in real terms with the work usaid does and the work that its nonprofit partners do. >> so what it has meant in real terms is people beginning to die

from deprivation of services. in a hearing in congress this morning, congressman brad sherman talked about a patient who had been discharged from an ngo clinic, a refugee who had been pushed out of a clinic due to the stop work orders from the state department. and when they were deprived of their medical treatment, they died soon after that. you know this this is killing people. it's not a hypothetical. it's happening. um, that will happen on a much, much larger scale. the longer that this goes on, the longer that critical, life saving humanitarian services are disrupted, the more people will be harmed by this. and, you know, based on what we heard from some of the members of congress this morning, i think they don't fully grasp yet just how much damage is being done right now. they're kind of buying the line that the critical life saving programs are exempted when in practice, they're not. >> i wonder if you think that, uh, some of these programs from usaid and its mission, uh, have

become almost parodied and, uh, their, uh, efforts exaggerated by members of congress, because we hear these stories about condoms to hamas and that sort of thing. but then there are also, uh, pieces of information coming out about die programs in eastern europe, for example. how much of it do you think is valid? and do you think that usaid had programs or money spent that could have been funneled in a different direction? >> uh, look, priorities change every time an administration changes. when i came in, i came in on the day one team with biden at usaid. there were things we shut down, and we changed fully expect that that would have happened in a normal transition here, too. that's not really what's going on, though. what's going on here are kind of, you know, there's three categories. there's outright lies like the gaza condom story, which even elon musk admitted earlier this week was not true, despite him having pushed it for a week. there are things that

are, uh, accurate, but not actually u.s. aid programs, like some of the things that we've heard about the so-called transgender opera, which was actually a state department cultural diplomacy payment, not anything to do with usaid. and then there are things that are, uh, just being completely misunderstood and mischaracterized. so there's been a lot of mockery of usaid funding circumcision programs. well, the reason that usaid does that is to prevent hiv, because voluntary circumcision can reduce hiv transmission risk by two thirds. it's incredibly cost effective way to slow hiv transmission. so there's a very good reason to invest in that kind of a program. um, and, you know, this is why it's really not good to make federal policy by through elon musk's twitter feed. because you lose all of that. you lose all contact with reality when that is what's driving the narrative. >> yeah. uh, jeremy konyndyk, thank you so much. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. >> today's ruling on usaid is

another example of federal courts pumping the brakes as the trump administration tries to quickly downsize the government. the president and some of his allies are accusing federal judges of overreach and political bias. >> joining us to discuss is retired new york state supreme court judge jill konwiser and former miami-dade county court judge jeff schwartz. thank you both for being with us. judge konwiser elon musk posted a poll on x asking whether, quote, federal judges who repeatedly abused their authority to obstruct the will of the people via their elected representatives should be impeached. do you think judges feel pressure from these kinds of polls being put on social media? >> i'm not sure if pressure is the exact word i. >> would use. >> it's certainly. >> inexcusable and troubling, but i don't think federal. judges care so much precisely what mr. musk. >> might say. judge judges. federal judges call balls and strikes every day. they deal

with difficult litigants. they deal with those accused and convicted of crimes. i don't think they're that terribly worried about it. but i think what the issue is that is concerning and what mr. musk probably doesn't understand is how to impeach someone. there has to be a reason. it's not by fiat and it's not by executive order. so i think he probably needs a better understanding of what that means. and it has to be grounds for impeachment, which he has not alleged. >> and judge schwartz, we heard the house speaker, mike johnson, saying the court should take a step back to let the trump administration work its will. i just wonder what your reaction is to that. when we're talking about co-equal branches of government, which is something that normally the speaker is in support of. >> well, i would say. >> this judges. >> whether they're elected. >> or appointed. >> have no constituency. they are not loyal. >> to one party or the other. >> they are not there, as the justice said, they are there to call balls and strikes. they are

there. >> to determine. >> what is or. >> is not. >> legal under. >> the constitution. their job. >> is their. >> constituency is the law and only. >> the law. i learned. >> a. >> long time ago that half the people that. >> left my courtroom weren't really very happy. >> with. >> me, because they lost. >> losing does. >> not mean a judge is incompetent. >> it does not mean that the judge. >> is crooked. >> and i think mr. musk. >> really has no. >> understanding of our. >> constitution. i know he knows some things because he became. >> a naturalized. >> citizen, but he literally has no understanding of the constitution in. >> this country. >> and how it works. >> and that makes. >> him even more dangerous. >> judge schwartz, i wonder if there is much that can be done if they ultimately decide to ignore court orders, whether it's musk's doge or president

trump. >> that is. >> to me, the the nightmare. >> scenario that. >> is, in my opinion. >> in this happened. >> in 1830. >> andrew jackson. >> was quoted as saying when there was a ruling against him, if the chief justice wants to enforce his order, let him come down here with his army. we don't have judges, don't have armies. we operate in this country on the respect for the law. and if there is no respect for the law by the leadership of this country, it is basically meant to destroy the third branch of government that which has the most control over the executive check on the executive and on congress for doing more than they are permitted to do. and if that happens, that's a nightmare scenario. that's the real constitutional crisis. >> trump has said he'll abide by the courts, but that he'll appeal. but certainly when you

have elon musk tweeting like this, you have jd vance tweeting, raising questions about what they'll do when judges hand down decisions they don't like big questions that have to be answered here. judge something else i want to ask you about though, something that just happened minutes ago. the acting u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, danielle sassoon, resigned. she didn't say why she was doing this, but she certainly was under a lot of pressure to dismiss criminal charges against new york mayor eric adams after being directed to do so earlier this week, a directive that wasn't about the merits of the case against him. but doj, citing the need for adams to be able to cooperate with the trump immigration crackdown. what's your reaction to this? >> well, first of all, i did read the indictment against mayor adams, and there was significant teeth to it. a federal indictment, unlike a state indictment, will list every overt act that's alleged in the case. and i think it's s been clear to any even casual

observer that mayor adams has been running after president trump and courting his support for an obvious reason. he didn't want to face the music. and it only looks to me that the interim u.s. attorney. miss. sassoon, probably was saying, you know, sort of realizing that what trump was doing and the justice department was doing under trump's tutelage was to completely obliterate her independent role as a prosecutor. there's a reason why the southern district of new york is referred to as the southern district of new york, because they have been independent. she probably couldn't. she wouldn't do it. and if that's the reason, my hat's off to her. good for her. >> judges. >> can i add a couple things on that? i don't mean to interrupt. >> but. >> we only have. >> a few. >> seconds here. but. >> the letter. >> okay, the letter that came down from beauvais telling her that she should resign or that she was fired. you need to know that he also threatened to have her and her staff internally investigated for whatever they

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