climbed, beers were thrown, and absurdity existed as eagles. >> this. this city is one of the. >> greatest cities. >> in the world. we get a bad. >> rap, but. >> it is what it is, right? and so we come out. >> and support. >> our teams. >> through thick and thin, and we're just happy right now, at least for the eagles. >> but the love for the city. >> and its football team coursed through the heart of. philadelphia on the ben franklin parkway at the. valentine's day party as the city that. bleeds green watched their eagles soar. >> this we are. the champions. >> of the world. >> now, while the vast. >> majority of the celebrations were peaceful today, a source. >> with the. >> philadelphia police department. >> did. >> confirm there was. a shooting near the parade route, but emphasized it was. >> outside of. >> the footprint of the parade. two women were shot in their legs. both are in stable condition. danny freeman. >> cnn, philadelphia. >> and our thanks to danny freeman. i'm pamela brown in

the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. have a great weekend and happy valentine's day. >> outfront next, breaking news. >> vance is extreme. >> one on. >> one. >> the vice president meeting with the leader of a far right party leader in germany. the party whose members have been convicted of using nazi rhetoric. also breaking disruption and disorder. >> inside the. >> justice department. a seventh prosecutor quitting. >> over the doj demands. >> to drop the case. >> against new york. >> city's mayor. and an outfront exclusive tonight. the man. >> swallowed by a whale and. spat back out. >> all of it. >> caught on tape. >> he is alive to tell the story. >> he is our guest tonight. >> let's go. >> outfront. >> and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the breaking news. >> alarm bells going off among america's closest allies. >> after vice president. >> jd vance gave. >> an. >> extensive face time meeting to the leader of an extreme far right party in germany, a party which includes members who have been convicted of using nazi rhetoric. now. vance did not meet with germany's actual.

>> leader. >> chancellor olaf schultz, instead. >> choosing to elevate. >> alice weidel. >> leader of the. >> anti-immigrant party called afd. he chose to meet with her instead. our producer there, claudia otto, confirmed some. >> details of this meeting. >> including that it lasted 30 full minutes. it comes just weeks after elon musk addressed the afd party convention, sending shockwaves throughout europe. as musk told the party not to be ashamed of germany's past. >> i think there's like. >> frankly, too much of a. >> of a. >> focus on on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that. >> german chancellor schulz, in an incredible moment after that, slammed musk's decision to meet and cozy up to the far right party's main candidate. >> he said this to. >> our fred pleitgen. >> what is new is that he is intervening in favor of. >> right wing. >> politicians all over europe, and this is really disgusting.

>> well, musk is. >> not alone now because jd vance had that meeting today. we are told that that 30 minute sitdown again that he did with the far right party when he did not meet with the leader of germany, covered a wide range of topics. our reporter on the ground saying that include the war in ukraine. it included germany's most pressing domestic issues, which, while most certainly included immigration, which has been the center of alice weidel's campaign. >> what would you. >> do if. >> you became. >> the chancellor? >> immediately closing our borders, controlling them, and then sending out all the illegals? >> it certainly sounds in lockstep with president trump, and the context is important here. over the past few years, germany has taken in millions of refugees, mostly from syria, iraq and afghanistan. and the afd wants them out. and if you listen to one of their rallies, it does sound strikingly familiar to americans. >> we want. >> law and order.

>> we need. >> cheap energy. the next step. will therefore. >> be to. >> withdraw from the paris climate agreement. no financial aid to ukraine. >> a campaign speech that, well, could have been exactly what trump would say if you substituted her for him on that stage. and that may be why trump-vance musk, our fans. but vance is now blaming the media for the reporting on afd and its platform, writing, quote, american media slanders. afd is nazi lite, but afd is most popular in the same areas of germany that were most resistant to the nazis. well, geography is not everything, but here are some facts. one of the group's high profile leaders was convicted for a second time last year for using a neo-nazi slogan at a political event. a court also found a youth group that falls under the afd umbrella of engaging in, quote, massive, anti-foreigner and in particular, anti-islam and anti-muslim agitation. and according to germany's intelligence agency, the group is likely to adopt, quote, non-peaceful behavior towards

people perceived as foreign. well, those concerns are why tens of thousands of protesters just gathered in berlin. their message was to keep up the, quote, firewall against the far right in germany. now, we mentioned that word firewall because it's about to be extremely important. it's a term right now used in german politics as a euphemism for stopping the anti-immigrant, far right party afd. and today, while slamming america's european allies, jd vance used that exact same word. clearly taking a stand for the afd. >> democracy rests on the sacred principle that the voice of the people matters. there is no room for firewalls. >> tonight, trump praising vance's speech. but germany's chancellor olaf scholz, responding immediately online with this quote the democratic parties in germany have a common consensus. this is the firewall against extreme right wing

parties. and fred pleitgen is out front. fred, you have covered this party. you've interviewed the same leader we the vance, met with. obviously, you spoke to the german chancellor when he made those incredible comments about elon musk's appearance before that group. what more do you know about the meeting today between vance and the leader of the afd? >> well. >> i know that the. >> afd is absolutely elated about this meeting, at least. >> according to german media. >> actually traveled. >> to munich specifically for that meeting. she's not doing anything else. >> at the munich. >> security conference. >> we know. >> as. >> you mentioned. >> that the. >> meeting lasted 30. >> hours. >> 30 minutes. >> sorry that. >> it. >> happened in the hotel. >> that. >> jd vance. >> is staying in. >> and that. >> it involved. jd vance. >> two of. >> his advisors. >> aleix vidal. >> the head. >> of the afd. >> and her. >> press secretary. >> as well. >> and as you mentioned. >> the two. >> topics that the.

>> afd said were left. >> right and center. in this. >> meeting is the war. >> in ukraine, where, of course, the afd does have a very similar position to russia, for instance, as far as support for ukraine or non support for ukraine is concerned. now they then said that. >> they. >> did talk about domestic. political issues. >> in germany. >> and that the. firewall that. >> you just mentioned. >> certainly was one. >> of the main topics., the afd. aaron, right now. >> is in a full court press against a lot of the other german parties, telling. >> them. >> you need to include us. in any government. what jd vance said on the stage today is something that german politicians. >> have heard. >> from the afd. >> in the. >> past as well. and of course, having jd vance in. >> their corner is. >> something that they believe gives them a great deal of legitimacy. we've been keeping an eye on the social media accounts of, at least throughout the better part of the day, and after the munich security conference, after jd vance spoke there, she's fired off a flurry of of tweets of posts on her account, saying that jd vance is a great politician, that his speech was excellent, but also saying that the trump administration has acknowledged that only with the afd can there be. >> a return. >> to a regular immigration policy in germany, so that once

again linking the trump administration to the afd, especially as far as immigration concern, is definitely a big thing for the afd. one final thing aaron, donald trump and jd vance have almost hero like status in the afd. if you go to their party conventions, you go to their campaign events. you do find donald trump books, you find shirts and the like there as well, erin. >> all right. fred pleitgen, thank you very much. he's done such extensive coverage on that tonight. thank you. fred, and i want to go to leon panetta now, former defense secretary, cia director, who has served under both republican and democratic presidents. so, secretary panetta, when you hear all of this vice president vance, meeting with the leader of the far right german afd today for 30 minutes did not meet with olaf schultz, uh, that party, you know, we went through some of the some of the things that stand out members have been convicted for using nazi rhetoric, a court finding that youth group involved with the party engaged in massive anti-foreign agitation. the message here, secretary, appears

to be loud and clear. >> well, it. >> uh, it certainly. >> is concerning. uh, you know. >> having been to. >> the munich conference. >> a. >> number of times. >> uh, usually when a. vice president. >> or president. >> goes to the munich. >> conference. >> uh. >> he discusses the importance. >> of. >> security. >> uh, between. >> the. >> united states and our. >> european allies in order. >> to make. >> sure that tyrants like putin don't take advantage. >> of europe. >> uh. even if. >> vance had gone there. >> and criticized. >> our european. >> friends for perhaps. >> not investing. >> enough in defense. >> i think that's a legitimate criticism. but to. >> get involved in. >> their internal. >> politics. particularly where it involves. >> uh. very right wing. >> group. >> uh, and. >> we're talking. >> about a europe. that with the united. >> states fought world war ii

in. >> order to stop naziism. >> from controlling europe. >> uh. >> i just. >> think it. >> is not, uh, it's not a. >> good. >> idea for the united. >> states to. >> suddenly inject itself. into that discussion. >> that's up. to germany. >> to decide how to handle it. they know. what naziism. >> is about. >> uh. >> let them. >> decide how to. >> deal with. >> this issue. >> the use of the word firewall, of course, was used so specifically again and again today. secretary, including by jd vance, when president trump commented on vance's speech, you know which which talked about a very different view of europe. he called it brilliant. he said that europe, quote, has to be careful, has to be careful. what did you hear? >> uh. >> you know, i, i find it difficult, uh. >> to try. >> to.

>> uh, urge. >> uh, european countries to. >> somehow allow. >> that kind. >> of extremism to. >> exist within. >> their boundaries. >> i mean, if a if. >> a european. >> leader had. >> come to the united. >> states and. >> said. >> to us. that we. >> have to improve our. >> relationship with. >> the. >> klu klux. >> klan. >> i tell them to. >> go to hell. >> uh, and. >> so i just don't. >> think that we have we have. >> to get. >> involved in. >> countries that are trying to protect themselves from extremism that might lead. >> to another. >> confrontation. >> uh, or. >> another war. >> that we saw, uh, in. world war. >> two. >> that that. >> is something, frankly, we should. >> avoid. >> uh, secretary, i mean, it's deeply concerning. and, you know, we also had had played a clip there. elon musk had addressed that same far right group, uh, you know, very

recently, uh, before jd vance. and we are continuing to see how much influence musk has in this administration. yesterday he met with the indian prime minister, modi, along with musk's family. and we know when trump was asked about, well, what did musk and modi talk about? his answer was quite direct. he said, well, i assume he wants to do business in india. uh, he's got a lot of companies there. and musk does with tesla, starlink, um, space. research. do you see any issues with musk meeting with modi and other world leaders and taking on the role that he so far has? >> well, you know, i, i get very nervous about. people that. >> don't have a. >> portfolio or don't have a. >> credential. >> uh. >> going out and representing the united. >> states. >> um. >> when they haven't been confirmed by the united. >> states senate. >> uh, in their. >> position or. >> don't really have.

>> an official. >> position, uh, per se. >> uh. >> so it's, uh, it's unusual. >> now. >> you know, i understand the relationship. uh, i understand that, uh, elon musk is a is a bright guy, and, uh, could. probably give you some pretty good advice on a number of issues. >> uh. >> but i think for the administration's sake that they've got to be able to make sure. that everybody. >> uh, is coming. >> together on the same message. >> with regards to what's going to be. >> delivered to our. >> allies or our. friends abroad. >> uh, and i'm getting the impression. >> that there. >> are a lot of loose cannons right. now involved. >> in. >> deciding what our policy. is really about. >> secretary panetta, i'm grateful for your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> and next, we have breaking news. the u.s. justice department, an update here. the disarray continues. a seventh prosecutor resigns after refusing to dismiss the crucial new york city mayor eric adams corruption case. and we are now

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know that our laws and traditions do not allow using the prosecutorial power to influence other citizens, much less elected officials, in this way. if no lawyer within earshot of the president is willing to give him that advice, then i expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion, but it was never going to be me. trump was asked about the resignations today. he said this. >> if they had a problem and these are mostly people from the previous administration, you understand? so they weren't going to be there anyway. they were going to all be gone or dismissed. if not, because what you do is you come in and you put new people in. so when you say resign, they're going to be gone anyway. >> well, that's not exactly true. i mean, the acting u.s. attorney danielle sassoon remember we talked about her last night for the southern district of new york who quit yesterday over this demand. she was actually put in her position by trump, by the trump administration. she had just been put in it by him, and she

clerked for the very conservative late justice scalia, was a member of the federalist society. her bonafides and conservatism are very strong. scott and i just mentioned who quit today, clerked for the supreme court justice, chief justice john roberts, and for brett kavanaugh before he was appointed to the supreme court. not exactly a liberal, either. and it's also worth noting that scott has an incredibly successful career. he was awarded two bronze stars as a troop commander in iraq. kara scannell is out front in new york city tonight. so, kara, here we are. you know, you had another prosecutor resigning, saying only a fool or a coward would do it. and the biggest mass resignation since nixon. and yet here tonight, the breaking news is somebody actually signed it to dismiss the case. so what happened? >> yeah. >> erin. >> we've got three. >> signatures on this document. >> but it was really unclear. >> heading into. >> this morning if we. >> were going to end up exactly where we are right now. >> and what we know from our sources is that emil bove. >> the deputy attorney general, had.

>> convened a meeting with the members of the public integrity section in washington, d.c. now. >> these are, you know, not. >> including the. >> five that resigned yesterday. >> in protest because they wouldn't put their signatures on this document. so he convened a meeting with them, and he said he needed at least one career prosecutor who was willing to sign their name. there was no overt threat in that meeting, although sources tell us that everyone was cognizant that the people who did not follow his directive issued earlier in the week, either resigned or were placed on administrative leave. so then after they left the meeting, the team remaining. >> convened their own separate. >> meeting, and in that they were discussing. a couple of. >> options. >> including a mass resignation from that section. but ultimately they agreed that at least one person would step forward. and sources tell us that ed sullivan, a senior litigation counsel who is close to retirement, had agreed to do that. and ultimately, he wasn't the only signature. >> on. >> this document. also on. the document. >> is. >> tony bacon. >> who is the acting chief of

the criminal division and also emil bove. he is the one who ordered this directive, and he is the most senior person in the justice department other than the attorney general at this point. now, this will next go to the judge. judge dale ho, who was appointed by president joe biden. it will be up to him what he wants to do next. does he hold a hearing? does he call these prosecutors in to talk about it, or does he agree on these motions to dismiss the case? that's next. >> erin. >> all right. kara, thank you very much. just an incredible story. as we said, the biggest mass resignation since the saturday night massacre in the nixon administration. outfront now is congressman jamie raskin, top democrat on the judiciary committee. congressman finally got what he wanted. he got someone to file the dismissal of the case. one of the people was himself, and the other was someone who was nearing retirement. and there was a third. but, you know, i'm sure you read the resignation by mr. scott and today saying, only a fool or a coward would do such a thing. and as i mentioned, he had clerked for roberts. he had

clerked for kavanaugh. what do you make about how all this went down? >> well, the whole episode is saturated with corruption. >> the case itself. >> is about the corruption of the mayor and not only the u.s. attorney's office in new york, but a grand jury in new york found that there was. probable cause to bring multiple counts of criminal corruption against the mayor. so that was proceeding. apace until donald trump made a deal with him, a corrupt bargain. essentially. if you come on to my political team, we will drop these charges against you. that's extraordinary. and it's obviously illegal, and it is corrupt. and so that's why you have this, you know, chain of dominoes falling, you know, falling after u.s. attorney sassoon is saying, no way. this is the scalia clerk, the federalist society activist who said, this is, you know, completely corrupt and unacceptable. i won't do it.

then they got rid of the office of public integrity. they got rid of the head of the criminal division. several others left before they found somebody willing to do it. i mean, i hate to think of the position that the judge is in or that lawyer is in appearing before a judge saying that this is something that you should accept because the judge has to approve the withdrawal of the grand jury subpoena. at this point, i've never seen that happen in a case, but it does tell this larger story of the fact that the trump administration, in every agency and department, is now an instrument of corruption. they got rid of 17 inspector generals, who are the people who fight corruption, waste, fraud and abuse in every department and agency. and they sacked them immediately and illegally. they got to come to congress first 30 days before they're fired, and they have to set forth the specific grounds for their dismissal. they never did that. these are people who saved us $93 billion last year in actually ferreting out waste, fraud and abuse. and so, you know, elon musk hasn't saved us

$93 in waste, fraud and abuse. all he has done is fire people who are doing their jobs. and those are people in jobs like, you know, food and drug inspectors and air traffic controllers. >> so, congressman, let me ask you, though. i mean, you know, this whole issue in new york and not to get into the complexities of the case. right. it was a it was a very clear corruption case, right. pay to play essentially, you know, donations in exchange for favors. um, and the whole allegation was that, well, they were going to drop the charges in that case in exchange for mayor eric adams cooperating with this administration on immigration. so prior to this case, finally getting dismissed late tonight, mayor adams appeared on fox news this morning with none other than the border czar, trump's border czar, tom homan. they had a joint appearance this morning. so the immigration czar and the mayor of new york, in the midst of all of this, uh. scandal. and here's what adam said. >> let's be clear. >> i'm not standing in the way.

>> i'm collaborating against so many others that don't want to collaborate. >> well, now. >> so, congressman, the use of the word collaborate, of course. um, do you believe there was a quid pro quo between trump's team and the mayor? is there any doubt in your mind? >> yeah, that is an interesting deployment of the word collaboration, which is, of course, what, uh, which was the term that was used to describe people who cooperated with fascists, um, before world war two. but, um, you know, the quid pro quo question. i mean, i think everybody can see it was obvious it was patton, what was taking place. but it's a little bit of a distraction because the real issue is that you can't say we are about to prosecute you for something political corruption or anything else unless you join my political team. you can't say that. whether you describe that as quid pro quo or a coercive offer

or a godfather offer, whatever it is, you can't use criminal prosecution in that way. that's why all of these conservative lawyers are resigning en masse. and they had to basically have an extortionate meeting with the whole group of career people trying to hang on to their jobs. >> all right. well, congressman, i really appreciate your time and thank you. thank you. >> you bet. >> you know, it's interesting to the congressman's point, one of the things that mr. scott said in his resignation letter was he could understand how a chief executive like trump could be seeing this as a transaction that you would do, but that it is up to the lawyers around him to stand up and say, no, that is not what you do with the u.s. justice system. ryan goodman is here now. so, ryan, um, mr. scott described it as you know, it. you'll find eventually, if no one's going to tell the president that, you will find eventually someone who is a coward enough to do this. uh, someone ultimately did it. one of them is emil bove himself, right? he was able to do that. but then there were two others who signed on, one nearing

retirement. i don't know, tony bacon. do you know anything about these people? i mean, are they are they the cowards? >> um, so when, uh, mr. scott wrote that letter. he might not have anticipated the scenario that seems to. have unfolded. and so these two other individuals who then do step forward to sign it. two things are happening potentially, which is there's some reporting that they do it in order for their entire team not to have to resign or be fired. and so that's a different reason for us not to use the word collaborating and not collaborating with mr.. >> it could be protecting people who didn't have the ability to quit their jobs. >> that's right. so they're trying to protect the entire public integrity unit of the main justice. in some ways, that might be a good outcome that the people who are trying to do the right thing are still there. and the document that is submitted, they get emil bove to sign it, which is very unusual. we have the second highest person in the justice department signing it. >> perhaps their way of proving we did this for this reason, and we're going to force you to do something. so outside the normal realm. 100%. >> and the document is really interesting because it says the

determination was made by mr. bové. mr. bové concluded this. mr. bové concluded that not. >> it all. >> concluded that we are not saying that we as a u.s. attorneys. >> so they may have been protectors, absolutely. rather than to overuse the word collaborators. yeah. um, i wanted to play what tom homan said today with his appearance on mayor adams on fox. here he is. >> if he doesn't come through, i'll be back in new york city and we won't be sitting on a couch. i'll be in his office up his butt saying, where the hell is the agreement? we came to? >> um. what is he saying there? where the hell is the agreement we came to? if he doesn't come through, i'll be back in new york city. >> yeah. so he's basically. this is the quid pro quo. um, it seems like this is the implicit threat. if you don't come through on your part of the agreement. i'm coming back to claim what we have, which is that we have submitted to the court that the case is still strong, and we're asking the court to dismiss it, but not to throw it completely away. it's still hanging. >> we can hang it like a sword.

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concern that such crucial positions could go vacant. outfront brian barrett, the executive editor at wired. their team, as you know, has been breaking so much news on musk and doge. and, brian, i really appreciate your taking the time tonight. so 300 people who manage america's nuclear weapons. so these are these are incredibly specific technical jobs. they get terminated in this effort to shrink the government. and then they get brought back once somebody goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. all cuts aren't the same. this is a problem. what is your reaction when you know, when you hear how all this went down? >> well. >> i guess my. >> first reaction. >> is i hope they actually do go back. i think they're not under any obligation to. and my second is. that it speaks to this sort. of ethos that we've. >> seen to all of this cutting. >> which is that it is cutting for cutting sake. >> it is we're going to reduce the number of employees. >> we have, are going to reduce the number of programs. we're going to reduce the amount. >> of humanitarian. >> aid, scientific research, you name it, just to. >> hit a number. >> and in the.

>> process of hitting that number. >> if we lose. >> really critical. >> things. >> really important missions, really important research, if. >> we lose the people. >> who oversee the nuclear stockpile, so be it. i'm glad that they are trying to reverse this. i hope they're able. >> to. >> but i think that this is what is happening in every agency across the government. it's just a very highly visible, critical example. >> of it. right, right. but of course, the point being that, you know, sometimes being glib about what you're going to do needs to be followed up with careful, thoughtful decisions. the page on elon musk's doge website lists all the savings made for the american taxpayers. they say that's going to be there. currently, that page is blank, except for the phrase receipts coming soon no later than valentine's day. now, musk has promised maximum transparency around the massive amounts of fraud that he claims to have uncovered thus far. >> all of our actions, we. >> are maximally transparent. i don't know of a case where an organization has been more. transparent than the. doge organization. what we're. >> finding is that a bunch of

the fraud. >> is not even going to americans. >> so, you know, i'm just curious, brian, because we know the whole point about doge they do say with pride, right, that it's silicon valley software engineers and interns who are are doing all of this. the website at this point. right now, there is still blank on this information here on the savings made. what's going on here? >> yeah, i mean, there's no transparency. and i think it's again, indicative of these supposed to be the best and brightest, saving lots of money. maximum transparency. we haven't seen any of it. almost everything we know about doge has come from reporting i think this website too. i would note, um, some very good journalists at 404 media, a small outlet pointed out that they left the database behind this website unsecured, so anyone could go in and publish changes to the website. and a few people did to prove it could happen. this is sort of sloppy work. it's also sloppy where they do try to be transparent. there's a section of the website that is active where they list, uh, details about every government agency

and include in that they included details about the national reconnaissance office, which is an intelligence agency that has classified information about how many people work there, what the budget is. so what they are sharing, they shouldn't be. what they should be sharing, they're not. and even when they do share a number, uh, jobs or money that they've saved, they're not going to share the programs that that went with it. they're not going to share how many, uh, the opportunity cost of all of those reductions. >> i mean, it is it is crucial what you're pointing out. and i know you've got new reporting tonight about musk's top doge staffer at the treasury department. this is now the highest ranking nonpolitical staff member. and who is this person? >> uh, this guy's name is tom krauss. and i think what's important to note about him is that while he is the highest ranking doge member at the treasury department, he is also currently the ceo of a software company called the cloud software group. he is doing both of these things at the same time. uh, the conflict of

interest is sort of obvious in this case. you don't really have to look hard to find it. i know that there is a history in government of a revolving door where someone goes from an agency to to a business, but doing them at the same time seems beyond the pale. um, and i think, again, is just something that we are going to have to look out for across the government. >> all right. well, we're grateful to you and your team for doing so much of that looking out. brian, thank you. >> thank you. >> next, trump suffering a new setback as he has been cracking down via executive order on transgender rights. now targeting the stonewall national monument. plus, tonight, an outfront exclusive on this friday, that terrifying video of the kayaker swallowed by a whale and then spit out. so what was it like inside a whale? the kayaker will tell you. >> about our heart. >> attack was scary. >> never want to go through that again. >> but we could. >> with. >> heart disease. you never know. >> so we made changes. >> green juice.

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rolling back transgender rights. trump has announced four orders so far, rolling those rights back, including purging all government websites of the word transgender. the latest is the webpage for the stonewall national monument, which was the birthplace of the gay rights movement, where transgender activists played a crucial role. now shortening lgbtq to lgb at front. now sophia nelson, a former close friend and yale law school classmate of vice president jd vance, and sophia familiar to so many of our viewers. but this is the first time, you know, you and i have talked since trump and vance won the election, and we talked prior to that about how he supported you when you had your own gender affirming surgery back in 2012. but now here in these past few weeks, we've seen executive order of executive order rolling back transgender rights. i mean, how have you processed that? what has gone through your mind as you have seen this unfold so quickly? >> thank you for having me, aaron, and good evening. it's just been.

>> a furious pace. >> and the breadth. >> of the orders and the quickness of. >> them have been shocking. and i suppose i shouldn't have been. >> so naive. >> but i was hopeful that it wouldn't. >> be quite. >> as bad as some people were predicting. and it's been. >> as bad. >> if not worse. >> there seems to be a very concerted effort to erase trans. >> people from public. >> life. and from the history books. we know. >> that marsha. >> p. >> johnson and sylvia. >> rivera. >> heroes of. >> the. transgender community and of the. >> lgbt rights movement, were. >> at the forefront. >> of the. >> stonewall uprising, and they. led what became the modern day. lgbt rights movement. >> which is memorialized. >> at the. stonewall national monument. and to erase that history, to. >> rewrite history. that's a. >> real authoritarian move. >> aaron, and it's part. >> of this overall effort to erase trans people from public life. and from the history. but the truth is. >> we've always. >> been here, and we will always be here. and they can try as hard as they would.

>> like, but we're not going anywhere. >> i mean, vance has spoken about the showdown that the trump administration has had with the courts so far. right. we talked about the order today, you know, being put on pause by a federal judge for the second time. and that's happened on other topics as well. but vance said, sophia, quote, judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. now, you're a public defender. now, you went to law school with vance. so what's your reaction when you see him post something like that? judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. >> so vance. >> jd and i actually. >> took constitutional law together. >> so we read and analyzed marbury versus madison together. >> that is the article. >> three power of the judiciary. that's what separation of powers means. >> congress writes the. >> laws. the executive enacts laws, and the judiciary gets. >> to decide. >> whether a law is constitutional and an executive action is constitutional. >> so the courts. >> are doing right now. is exactly what they were designed

to. do by the constitution and by our founding fathers. and that's been the case since 1808. and the u.s. supreme court decision in marbury versus madison. i mean, what we're facing right now is the beginning of a constitutional crisis. um, and this isn't the first time. i mean, jd's tweet wasn't surprising to me. he said that previously, you know, kind of admiring this. andrew jackson will. >> let them come. >> let's come see them enforce it style. and it's incredibly dangerous. it's a thing of authoritarians ignoring the courts is something authoritarians do. and we've already seen hints of it. i know a rhode island judge, um, has been questioning whether the trump administration has been complying with its court orders to release certain federal funds that congress appropriated. >> so, you know, in all of this, you know, i talk about that tweet from jd vance. and, you know, he's getting a lot of we let our show today with his comments out of the munich security conference. but overall, sophia elon musk has overshadowed vance in public in

these first weeks at least, of the new administration tonight, actually appearing in a joint interview with trump instead of vance. so vance is in munich and sean hannity is interviewing musk and trump at. it's it's odd, right? that's well, that's the role. but he's not the actual vice president. i mean, it's extremely rare to see a joint interview with president of the united states. really ever. never mind if it's not with the first lady or the vice president. uh, so, um, i today vance said something that could be telling when he was talking. here's what it is. >> if american democracy can survive ten years of greta thunberg's scolding, you guys can survive a few months of elon musk. >> how do you think he's feeling with this elon musk situation? >> i mean, this is what donald. >> trump does, right? he loves people to have to publicly fight for his attention and his approval. and i don't think this is what jd signed up for. so.

>> um. >> and i think the president made that clear recently when, um, he was asked if jd was his successor and he said, no, um, i'm not sure trump envisions that he has a successor at all. um, but there's never was never going to be a world where he didn't pit people against each other. and so, you know, this is jd is getting what he signed up for. and i don't have any sympathy for that. >> all right. well, sophia, i really appreciate talking to you. and thank you. >> thank you for having me, erin. >> all right. you too. and next, an exclusive interview with the kayaker. the one who was swallowed by the whale and spit out. >> ontario, canada, your third largest trading partner. and number one export destination for 17 states. our economic partnership keeps millions of americans working. we're here right by your side. >> you'll be back. emus can help people customize and save with liberty mutual.

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one( 800) 269-9522. that's one( 800) 269-9522. >> anderson cooper 360. >> next on. >> cnn. >> tonight, swallowed by a whale. 23 year old adrian simancas swallowed and then spit out by a humpback whale while kayaking last weekend. it's a truly incredible thing to even imagine. and then here's this it was caught on tape. >> hey. >> what? >> tranquilo.

>> tranquilo. >> his father recorded that video while the two were kayaking in the strait of magellan in southern chile, and adrian and his father, del are here to tell the tale. outfront tonight, adrian, i think the whole world has seen this video probably many times. i can't stop watching it. we're showing it again. you are the one there. you're paddling. the waters look very choppy, cold, gray, and then all of a sudden you disappear for several seconds. can you tell me what happened? >> adrian? >> i. >> yeah. >> um. i was. >> at. >> bahia del. >> aguila. >> we were. >> on our back.

>> raft. >> and suddenly. i felt. >> like. uh. >> a wave struck. >> me. >> from behind. >> but it. >> was very, very heavy to be. >> anything like that. >> so when i turn. >> around, i. >> i saw. >> some blue dark. >> colors and. >> white flashing. >> right through. >> my face. >> and i. >> felt a. slimy texture. >> in my cheek. >> and then. >> it shut. >> down on. >> me and. >> took me underwater. >> i closed. >> my eyes because. >> i thought that something would. crash into my. >> face, but. i didn't feel. >> it like a crash. >> it was like. >> getting hit by.

>> a wave. >> and. >> yeah, the. >> the hurricane. >> of water. >> that forms. >> below when you're at the beach. >> and. it was. >> like one. >> second of that strange feeling where i thought that i was already eaten by some kind of giant fish. >> but then. >> uh, i started to feel my, my water best. that was pulling me outside of the water. and there was two seconds until i got to the surface. >> adrian, did you you talk about feeling something slimy, and then it actually sounds like you're describing maybe what the mouth of the whale looked like. when you talk about the gray and blue, did you realize

in that in those moments where you were that you were actually inside the whale's mouth? >> i guessed i was inside. something's mouth. but i didn't know it was a whale. >> what what what? i can't even imagine. it's only a few seconds. but what could have been going through your mind? i mean. did you did you realize in that moment. i mean, if someone says to you, what does it feel like to be inside a whale? there really aren't there really isn't anyone else on this planet that can answer that question. what was it like? >> and. >> but it was just a second. but it felt like. uh, more time because i was thinking a lot of

stuff. uh, remember about. pinocchio, everyone saying that. pinocchio. pinocchio and geppetto. >> yes. >> and. and, uh, it was surprising. i, i wasn't expecting that at all. so, um, at first i thought that i would die because, uh, there's nothing i can do if i'm inside the mouth of a giant fish. but, yeah, it was a whale. so. then, uh, i didn't have enough time to realize that i was not in danger. if the whale had a hit me, it would be more dangerous. >> del, you were there. those few seconds must have felt like. interminable to you. but you

were filming the whole thing. why were you filming to begin with? i mean, it's incredible. this was actually caught on camera. >> see? >> nosotros estamos. armando momentito. por la bahia del aguila. >> well, we were at the. >> aguila bay. >> and we were doing very well. >> in our. >> packraft. >> and when we. >> have good. >> weather, everything's. >> fine. and when. >> we. >> got past. >> the bay we wanted to make a photo. and then a few waves started rising. and so we were very excited. and i have a camera. >> so artistic. santa cruz. uh.

>> 360 degree. >> camera. >> and i started recording. it and. >> i was sort. >> of just rowing. and afterwards. i switched on the recorder. >> and in. >> two seconds i. >> heard this incredible wave behind me. and when i turned around, i couldn't see adrian anymore. or his boat. so i was absolutely terrified and knew. >> that, you know. >> something was. >> up. >> and then i saw him emerge to the surface. and then.

>> something huge. >> came up. >> by the side. >> of him. >> and of. >> course, it was the. >> whale. >> and when it came. >> up. >> it was maneuvering all around. >> and. so then. >> adrian called me. >> and i. >> calmed down because i knew he was alive. >> so we. were just. >> very, very lucky. to avoid this. >> so will you both be be out again? it obviously this is something you do together. does this change in any way you're going to go back out and and kayak there. >> yeah. yeah i want to go back. and. see. >> a c claro in. obviously the.

sea esta travesia. travesia in particular. >> yeah. >> well you know we. >> uh, went. >> on an expedition and we. didn't get to. the island that we wanted to. >> and we hope maybe we can do it again. but from a far distance. >> i would hope so. well, i really appreciate so much both of you talking to us. and i hope that you get to that island. thank you. >> thank you, thank you. muchas gracias. >> just an absolutely incredible story. pinocchio in real life. well, thanks so much for joining us on this friday night. i thought that would be a good way to end, to end the evening. ac360 with anderson begins