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presents as an authentic guy. i've wondered if they don't need to move away from the standard political types and get into something like this. i don't know if he's the right one, but that kind of a communicator who doesn't appear to be just reading the script that was handed to him by a political consultant could be really, really interesting in a campaign. >> i'm here for it. i'm interested in it. i'll watch it unfold real quick. i want to ask you both very quickly here. yes or no? if you were donald trump, would you be hanging your mug shot outside the oval office? mike, what do you say? >> lawrence 2025. up is down. left is right. hang up the mug shot. don't hang up the mug shot. it doesn't matter. you know it's 2025. hang it up. he he hung it up. >> scott, what do >> okay, well, that's not the word i'd use. but yes, balling on a budget. i mean, it's a mug shot you can get. anyway, scott jennings, mike leon, thank you
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so much, both of you. thank you all as well for watching tonight. anderson cooper 360 is next. >> tonight on 360. breaking news. after seven resignations in two days and counting, the trump justice department finally finds someone to sign off on dropping the corruption charges against new york's mayor. also tonight, the vice president meeting with nato allies. but instead of the usual pep talk, he gives them a scolding. and later, more than 300 of the men and women in charge of securing the country's nuclear arsenal have been fired. and we've just learned the administration fired them without realizing what they actually do. good evening. thanks for joining us. i'm boris sanchez sitting in for anderson. we begin with breaking news out of the department of justice. we've just learned who finally agreed to sign off on the dismissal of corruption charges against new york mayor eric adams. the justice department late today filed documents with the judge in the case seeking
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dismissal of the charges without prejudice, meaning they could be revived again. listed as signatories. antoinette bacon, who supervises the justice department's criminal division, and edward sullivan, senior counsel with the public integrity section, notably acting deputy attorney general and former trump criminal defense attorney. emil bove signature is also on the document. this comes after a mass exodus at doj and new york's southern district, which was set to try the case this spring. when anderson signed off last night, six people had resigned over what some of those quitting have criticized as a politically driven deal to coerce adams cooperation with the administration's immigration enforcement policies. today, a seventh step down. here's what the president said about it, while also saying he knows nothing about the case. >> if they had a problem, and these are mostly people from the previous administration, you understand. so they weren't
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going to be there anyway. they were going to all be gone or dismissed. if not, uh, they know on tuesday they're all being dismissed. you know, the whole country is being because what you do is you come in and you put new people in. so when you say resign, they're going to be gone anyway. but i know nothing about the individual case. >> based on his comments, it sure seems like he does. he did, after all, talk about it on the campaign trail, including famously back in october at new york's al smith dinner, literally in front of mayor adams. in any case, the president's claim that these were all biden hires on their way to being fired is simply not supported by the facts. danielle sassoon, the acting u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, was a trump appointee, a conservative federalist society lawyer who once clerked for the late conservative supreme court justice antonin scalia. the latest to quit top adams prosecutor, hagan scotten clerked for chief justice john
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roberts. he's a decorated combat veteran and was a rising star in the prestigious southern district. in fact, still up on the justice department website, six pages of press releases on important cases he has been involved with, including the successful corruption prosecution of the fbi's former new york head of counterintelligence. and his resignation letter today, scotten took the acting deputy ag to task, calling out bove, who has been at the center of this legal storm, for seeking the dismissal of charges against mayor adams. but in a way that could revive them. if adams doesn't do the administration's bidding, he writes, quote, no system of ordered liberty can allow the government to use the carrot of dismissing charges, or the stick of threatening to bring them again, to induce an elected official to support its policy objectives. he goes on, any assistant u.s. attorney would know that our laws and traditions do not allow using the prosecutorial power to influence other citizens, much
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less elected officials, in this way. yet the administration already seems to have done just that. yesterday, mayor adams agreed to cooperate more fully with ice on immigration enforcement, and this morning he did a joint appearance on fox news with tom homan, the border czar, who reminded him of his obligations. watch this. >> if he doesn't come through, i'll be back in new york city and we won't be sitting on a couch. i'll be in his office, up, up his butt saying, where the hell is the agreement? we came to. >> an agreement which hagan scotten, hagan scotten, danielle sassoon and five others. now either could not stomach and or simply wouldn't take part in. or, as scotten put it in his letter to emil bove quote, i expect you will find eventually someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion, but it was never going to be me. for more on this, we're joined by cnn's kara scannell. kara, what do you know
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about how those three signatures wound up on that court filing tonight? it was not without drama. >> it wasn't boris. and, i mean, this may have been a case where the person who stepped forward was not the fool or coward, but more of the fall guy. here's what we know. people familiar with meetings that took place today tell us that emil bove, the acting deputy attorney general, had summoned those who were left in the public integrity section. that's after five people resigned last night when they refused to sign this motion to dismiss. so they had this meeting with them. he said he needed one career person to step forward and to sign the document. now, after beauvais left, the team still met and talked together. they considered a range of options, including a mass resignation. but then it was one longtime member of the team, someone close to retirement, ed sullivan, who said that he would step forward and sign the document. now on the document, he is also joined by the acting head of the criminal division, tony bacon,
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as well as emil bove signature himself. but this was an act that was perhaps seen to help save the team instead of leading and end the crisis. instead of leading to more and more resignations. so, you know, this week began with this directive. we had seven resignations. and then ultimately there was one person who was willing to step forward in public integrity. and now they filed this motion officially asking the judge to dismiss the case. >> so what happens next? carol, when and how would the judge respond? >> so this is the big question here. this judge, judge dale ho, who was appointed by president biden, has this option now of whether he is going to sign off on these documents as they're filed or if he will call, call everyone in for a hearing. and it's if he goes that route, it's possible we could learn a lot more about some of these conversations, because he is likely to drill into how they came to this conclusion, because, as beauvais has said in his directive and in the filing, he is making this motion not based on the merits of the case, but more so on the use that they
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could have for adams in helping trump's immigration enforcement. so it's possible the judge could call everyone in. and now, i mean, there is a wild card scenario where he could resist dismissing the case, but it is more likely than not that it will ultimately end there. i mean, we do have a history in the remember mike flynn, trump's national security advisor, was charged criminally. there was a similar situation that played out, but ultimately trump stepped in and pardoned him. this, though all remains to be seen for us. >> yeah, we'll see what happens. kara scannell, thank you so much. let's get some perspective now with us. cnn legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general eliot williams. also, cnn political commentator hinojosa. until the change of administration, she served as director of public affairs at doj and with us as well, cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. thank you all for being with us. eliot, this internal doj standoff is over. this court filing signed by three different
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folks, including emil bove. what do you think the judge is going to do with this? >> the standoff is over, but this saga is not over, boris. and i think the judge at a minimum, and karen touched on this a little bit, has some sort of hearing to air some of these things that happened here. now, look, under the law, the judge is not obligated to accept the justice department's dismissal or decision to dismiss the charges. but in practice, how is that going to work? he can't direct the justice department to try a case that they don't want to try. and he also can't appoint someone else in the justice department from another office to do it, because it's run by the same doj. so in practice, it doesn't go anywhere. i think if anything, he has a hearing. and maybe, you know, as kara was touching on here has them these really sweeping claims that danielle sassoon made on monday about quid pro quos and trading favors on immigration. perhaps she gets them to talk. the judge gets them to talk about those things in court under oath on the record. >> eric adams did respond to the
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accusation of a quid pro quo on fox. we'll get to that in a second. but let's take a step back and talk about this standoff. sochi because seven career prosecutors resigned over the past 36 hours. and your time at doj, did you ever see anything like this? >> no. i was at doj this last time, and i was at doj 15 years ago. and in my long time there, i have never seen anything like it. when people asked me before i left, how do we know that people that the trump administration will do the right thing? how do we know that, you know, when there's something that's going wrong? i will tell you, this is probably the worst case scenario that i could have ever imagined. just to put it in context for you, the public integrity section is doj's front line against corruption. these are career men and women of the justice department, whose responsibility is to go after corruption. and i have never seen political appointees go and demand that they do something else for political purposes. so
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i completely agree with eliot. i think the judge should be asking some serious questions about what happened. i've never seen this type of resignation before. i've also never seen political leadership go after the career professionals. and you know what? what i've seen from the career professionals, not only in this instance but over the last few weeks and same at the fbi is nothing but courage. >> john mayor adams may get out of this federal case, but his political career is on the rocks and there are growing calls for him to resign or be removed by governor kathy hochul. who can do that? it's within her power. where do you think he goes from here? >> well, boris, the machinations have been way more complicated than they were supposed to do. supposed to be. i mean, his political career may be on the rocks, but with this case staying in place, that would be a death knell towards running for reelection. successfully
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getting reelected. so he needs this case to go away for his political career to rebound, if that's going to happen. but look at what was created here. the justice department could have gone into court and said, we have reviewed this indictment carefully. we believe that the top count on bribery is weak. it lacks a clear smoking gun, quid pro quo. and we've seen many of those cases reversed involving other public corruption cases. and for that reason, we're going to ask for it to be dismissed in the interest of justice. instead, what they did is they created this narrative that actually, in the case that lacked a quid pro quo, introduces one in their own documents, will drop the case in return for help with the migrants. even though we're not saying that, but we're saying that. and now they've taken a deal that could have been a clean legal decision and turned it into a political mess that makes doj look bad, makes the u.s. attorney look bad, makes
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eric adams look like he's complicit in this for his own interests. and it didn't have to be that way. this is what happens when you have political operatives at the white house directing lawyers what to do, and then having them figure out how to stitch that together. >> eliot, i want to ask you about that point that john made about how if the evidence was flimsy, doj could have come out and said, we have we don't have explicit proof that eric adams did this. i do want to point out, though, for viewers, as john was talking, you did something very spooky. you kept your eyes on the camera and furiously took notes. what were you writing? >> well, what was i writing? well, you know, i'm just thinking about the fallout here. and what what happens next? and, you know, john was laying out some of the, some, some of the quite serious allegations here. what happens? and i think this is sort of how business is going to be done. um, congress would be the body to really investigate if the justice
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department is truly behaving in an improper manner. congress would be the body to call those folks up and have them come in and testify. this congress currently is constituted is not likely. john is laughing. no, i think he's absolutely right. i mean, i just don't think this congress is really any likely to do that. i mean, probably not for a couple of years. you know, if there's a change in administrations. >> you got to teach me how you did that notes trick kept his eyes on the camera as he was taking notes. sochi. why do you think doj didn't come out and do this the way that john described and say, hey, the evidence here isn't great, but instead they spelled out, well, he can help us with immigration enforcement. therefore, the case should be dropped. >> so i actually think that's an interesting question, because what you were playing at the beginning of the segment is essentially transcript from donald trump saying that these people were going to leave anyways. these are people who are not loyal to the president. and if you've watched cnn over the last few weeks, you will see
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that trump loyalists believe that the government, including the department of justice, should only be stacked with people who are loyal to trump. but i have news for them. that is not how the department of justice works. they didn't take an oath of office to be loyal to the president. they took an oath to the constitution and every single career individual at the justice department understands and abides and should be abiding by the rules of federal prosecution. these are the rules that guide them in cases like this. and so i have bad news for the trump administration. but if they continue to do this, which they believe that they are entitled to, because that is what the president wanted, then they are going to continue to see resistance, and they're going to continue to see people stepping down, because that is not what we do at this. >> john, as you were chuckling at the suggestion that congress may provide some some kind of oversight here, i wonder if this does in fact slide. and the case
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against adams goes away. what does that do to the file as sochi was describing at doj, the prosecutors that helped put these cases together and then potentially also other politicians out there that may be taking calls from folks overseas seeking to offer them all sorts of luxurious gifts. >> it. the chilling effect cannot be overstated when you have people who are being fired either. mass firings, as suggested at the fbi, directed by the white house, or selected firings across doj of prosecutors who worked on cases involving donald trump. what you have at the end of that is a public integrity section that is not going to take on cases that may touch officials who are connected to power in washington, which is exactly what they exist for at their highest level. fbi agents who were not going to want to work on national security matters or matters involving political corruption. you're basically
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degrading these agencies, turning one into the the ministry of justice and the other into the secret police. if you create a situation where they're afraid to go, where the information takes them. >> john sochi, elliott, appreciate you all. thanks for joining us. up next, more on the justice department official and former trump criminal defense attorney. at the center of this story. emil bove and his surprising history before his involvement with donald trump. and christiane amanpour joins us from munich, where vice president vance today gave american allies the kind of talking to that certainly got them talking. >> today. >> lockerbie premieres sunday at nine on cnn. >> we're standing up for our right to be lazy. we work hard. we deserve to scroll hard. >> it's the lazy boy president's day sale. find the lazy spot you've been missing, lazy boy. long live the lazy.
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your dvr now. >> tonight's breaking news, and the run up to it has thrown a spotlight on emil bove. the justice department official, whose name is at the bottom of the motion to dismiss corruption charges against new york mayor eric adams. he was well known before all of this for his role as a criminal defense attorney. but as 360 randi kaye reports his story before all that is no less interesting. >> following the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol in 2021, emil bove helped track down and prosecute suspected rioters. at the time, beauvais was helping lead the counterterrorism section in the u.s. attorney's office for new york's southern district. a former colleague told cnn beauvais was appalled at what was going on during the riot, and was leaning in to fully support the fbi's efforts to investigate, locate and arrest the suspects. in a stunning turn four years later, beauvais is now acting deputy attorney general under president trump. beauvais had left the u.s.
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attorney's office and became a member of trump's criminal defense team in 2021. in 2023, beauvais teamed up with trump's defense lawyer, todd blanche, in the hush money case. trump was found guilty and is appealing the conviction. now, beauvais is leading a new justice department effort called the weaponization working group. according to a memo beauvais wrote, the fbi actively participated in what president trump appropriately described as a grave national injustice by investigating the january 6th u.s. capitol riot. beauvais is expected to be named principal associate deputy attorney general in trump's justice department. he's hardly waiting until that role to make an impact. this week, emil bove ordered federal prosecutors to drop federal corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams. >> it was done at the direct directive of of amel. so that case should be dropped. >> the move to drop the case resulted in the resignation of acting u.s. attorney for new york's southern district.
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danielle sassoon, along with other top prosecutors. in her resignation letter, sassoon made it all sound like some sort of quid pro quo. writing in part, beauvais proposes dismissing the charges against adams in return for his assistance in enforcing the federal immigration laws. in accepting sassoon's resignation, beauvais responded with allegations that the s.d.n.y. weaponized the justice department under the last administration. in just his first week on the job, reuters reports that beauvais instructed federal prosecutors to investigate local officials who refused to assist federal immigration authorities announced an investigation of a local sheriff in upstate new york over the alleged release of an immigrant living in the u.s. illegally, and traveled to chicago to witness the arrest of at least one migrant. beauvais has since ordered the firing of all prosecutors hired on a probationary basis to work on january 6th. related cases. >> the deputy attorney general was trying to demonstrate to everybody in the department of
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justice there's a new sheriff in town, and that's donald trump and the department of justice no longer has any independence at all in executing the criminal law enforcement function. >> beauvais got his law degree from georgetown university. he served more than nine years as an assistant u.s. attorney in new york's southern district, and will now leave his mark in the nation's capital. randi kaye, cnn, west palm beach, florida. >> our thanks to randi for that report. with that as a backdrop, we're joined now by cnn political commentators karen finney and shermichael singleton. great to see you both. hope you're enjoying this valentine's day. shermichael. it's tough to make the case that these prosecutors refuse to drop the case against adams over partisan reasons. they're federalist society lawyers, people that have served the military. they clerked for conservative supreme court justices. do you buy that as an argument that they refuse to drop over partisan reasons? >> i mean, i don't know why they refuse to drop, but i do have some issues with the
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allegations of a quid pro. i mean, prosecutors all the time will say, well, if you testify against this person, we'll drop the charges or lessen the charges, or if you give up this bigger name person, we'll drop the charges or will lessen the charges. that happens all across this country, in courtrooms, across america. and i'm sure millions of americans out there probably have experience with this. with that said, some of the allegations against adams taking trips, you know, maybe that's an ethical violation. doesn't mean that the mayor should have potentially faced years in prison. i don't necessarily think so. and if i'm being honest, boris, there are politicians across this country who do a lot of very corrupt things. they just don't happen to look like the mayor of new york city. and a lot of those things are swept under the rug. >> no, no, it ain't because he's black. it's because he's corrupt. he is. i mean, he's already got. >> what are you basing. >> it on? he has the. >> have you seen evidence? have you seen evidence? what evidence? tell the american people. what evidence? there has been a jury yet. >> keep talking. >> you interrupted me. but go ahead, karen. >> he look a couple of things. sure. a number of people within his administration have already
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been convicted. and let's just pull back and remember that this is a man who is already on the ropes. and his former republican unpopular in the city for a number of things. so he's already facing was facing a tough reelection. and in the documentation, i believe in the letters it says he showed up and said, hey, you do this for me. i could do this for you. on top of the quid pro quo allegations around what the ways in which he was engaging with the turkish government and the ways in which he actually made new yorkers less safe, because over a building where the turkish government wanted a relaxing of the rules and regulations with the fire department, and they asked the mayor to help them out. and the mayor got lots of fancy trips and lots of upgrades that were very suspicious. no, no, no. there was a very long trail. so just politically, i think we should remember this is a mayor, a very entrenched in new york politics who is already
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in trouble. so it's not surprising that he would then show up. >> and try b b b as that may we don't have any proof that this man is corrupt, that that's an allegation. that's an innuendo based upon your opinion, based. >> upon your opinion, opinions. >> based upon your. department of evidence. have you seen that? are you part of a jury? >> isn't that ludicrous? a jury to decide. >> for a jury to decide. but a prosecutor can also decide to dismiss a case if they want to. >> if they believe that they don't have enough evidence. we didn't see doj come out and say that, that the reason that they're dropping this case is because of the evidence. they came out and said he can help us with immigration policy. you made the point that often prosecutors will drop charges if somebody flips in the advent of another criminal prosecution. this isn't for another criminal prosecution. this is over. >> but it is. >> it is changing the rules. >> in a sanctuary city. i disagree with that. it is to the benefit of the united states government and united states prosecutors again all the time. if you service, the government will dismiss or lessen a charge.
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how is this any different? >> it's not for a criminal prosecution. it's bettering the. >> government to be. >> for a criminal prosecution. >> that's the discretion of the prosecutors. >> let's put it this way. these career conservative lawyers were so appalled at what they were being asked to do, they endangered their careers because this is a maga gop right now and decided to stand on principle seven people and quit. so you can be in fantasy land all you want, brother. >> fantasy land. but what fantasy land am i in? please tell me you're. please tell me. >> i don't know why they would have quit. well, they were she. >> when did i ever say that? i haven't, i haven't even mentioned the prosecutors. you quit. i could care less about them quitting. if you know my honest opinion about. >> it was. why do you think they. >> i said, i don't know, that's what i said. >> okay, you said i don't. okay. >> let's let's get the language correct. karen. >> do you think. uh, kathy hochul should, uh, remove adams as mayor? >> so i think the pressure is mounting on her. there's
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another process by which they could remove adams, and that would involve some of the other citywide officials. the pressure is mounting on her. the pressure has been mounting, frankly, since this was first. the case was first brought, i suspect, by the end of the weekend, either there will be a city process in place, which involves the city comptroller and others, or the governor will be facing calls to remove him because, again, he has been on the ropes for a long time. there's a lot of shady stuff that's been going on. i know a number of people who work at city hall, so i'll just leave it at that. >> there's an election coming up. karen brought this up a lot of the people of new york to decide if they want to reelect this man or choose someone else. why should the governor get involved? and i'm actually a bit surprised that democrats are saying anything about this. when joe biden pardoned his son, a bunch of members of his family, there were calls about constitutional crisis or this being appalling. democrats had absolutely nothing. secondarily, i'm also surprised again. and,
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karen, i know you want to say this isn't about race, but how many other politicians who are not black and eric adams is more of my complexion than yours. do a lot of corrupt bs and no one ever lifts the rug to question what they're doing. but here's this black man, the most powerful mayor in this country, and all of a sudden we want to look at some trips. give me a freaking break. give me. >> a break. trips. give me a break. it's about corruption. >> karen shermichael. thank you both. love is in the air on valentine's day. appreciate the conversation as always. thank you so much. yeah. next vice president jd vance delivering a blistering message today for european allies. we also have more breaking news involving oversight of america's nuclear arsenal. did the trump administration fire some key employees without actually knowing what they do? stay with us. >> yes. thank. >> patrick oppmann. >> have i got news for you is back for another season. roy wood jr., amber ruffin and michael ian black are finding the funny in the week's biggest story.
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german domestic politics and the ukraine war. it was a busy day in munich. our christiane amanpour was there and joins us tonight. jd vance spoke at the munich security conference, and his remarks are being scrutinized. i want to play a portion of what he said and get your reaction. let's listen. >> the threat that i worry the most about vis a vis europe is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within. the retreat of europe from some of its most fundamental values, values shared with the united states of america. >> the vice president went on to criticize europe's commitment to democratic elections and freedom of speech. but russia is continuing to recruit soldiers and manufacture weapons and ammo at a very rapid pace. do you think anyone in europe shares his view? >> honestly, the reaction from key europeans afterwards was was
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very shocked. they really had expected to hear from the vice president. you know, the, the, the the second in command to the president. more about plans for the russia, ukraine and ending the war, as president trump has said. instead, they got a real scolding. they got a lecture. in their words, the german defense minister called it, called it unacceptable. a spanish delegate called it indecent. and they were very, very shocked. they described it as instead of taking the actual security and defense portfolio, they felt that vance was just going on the ideological, political, you know, cultural war footing. >> yeah. you got a chance to speak with nato's secretary general, and i want to play a short but very important moment from that conversation. let's listen. >> my worry. >> is that. >> we are now already negotiating with putin without having putin yet at the table. >> this is an objection we've been hearing for the past few
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days that by saying ukraine will not join nato, or that it's unrealistic for ukraine to expect to return to its pre 2014 borders, that the united states is taking these things off the table before a negotiation with putin even begins, essentially giving the kremlin concessions in return for nothing. is it clear to you why the trump administration is doing that? >> it's unclear to me only that, you know, that the trump administration has had this idea about this war ever since trump was president. in the first term, they buy the putin logic and many other people who actually think, i mean, on on a certain side of the democratic divide, that that russia was, was, was tempted by the move of the united states and nato further and further east. this, of course, is not, in fact, what exactly happened and not why the war happened. the real issue is that russia does not want a sovereign and and independent ukraine. it really still has out
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there putin's desires to see essentially a ukrainian surrender. it wants to take over quite a lot of the land, not only that it occupies, but land that hasn't even fallen yet. it wants ukraine to demilitarize. >> you have an upcoming interview with ukrainian president zelenskyy, and he recently said that he asked president trump, quote, to not make any decisions about ukraine without ukraine. trump is clearly determined to make some sort of deal to end the war, or at least to secure a ceasefire. does zelenskyy have leverage? what kind of leverage could he have to ensure that ukraine isn't forced into some kind of deal that would allow russia to simply restart its efforts in a few years? >> well, boris, this is a very, very important point because that stunned everybody. the readout from president trump of his call with president putin stunned everybody. europe was knocked for a loop. ukraine was knocked for a loop because the consensus over the three years of the war is that nothing about
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ukraine without ukraine and ukraine. now, volodymyr zelenskyy had a meeting with secretary rubio, vice president vance today here and clearly put that message across, because that is coming across now loud and clear. the europeans are saying that as well. if you want us to bear the burden of of, you know, the eventual peace guarantees and much more on the defense of europe, we'll do it. but you can't exclude us. we have to be part of whatever solution is going to happen. >> christiane amanpour in munich tonight. thanks so much for being with us. >> thanks, boris. >> now let's see what americans think of all of this. cnn senior data reporter harry enten joins us now. harry, great to see you. as always. walk us through how support for the war in ukraine has changed over the years among americans. >> yeah. >> i mean, look, remember. >> when the war started. >> back in 2022, early 2022? there was so much support for ukraine in the united states. it was, you know, there were flags in the yards. you couldn't really do anything wrong in the
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american minds if you were ukraine. look at this. u.s. support for ukraine is too much and it's war against russia back in february of 2022, it was just 7%. look how that number has skyrocketed up to 41% now in february of 2025. and among republicans, it's the vast, clear majority of republicans who feel that u.s. support for ukraine is too much. so you can feel that domestic pressure, that domestic base, that republican base on jd vance's side and the president's side as well, arguing that, you know, russia and ukraine have to come together. >> what about president zelenskyy? do americans believe that ukraine's president is doing the right thing with this war? >> yeah. this to me is one of the most fascinating stats, right? i can remember, you know, zelenskyy visiting the united states back in 2022. there was just a lot of support for him in the congress from president biden. but take a look here. confident zelenskyy will do the right thing when it comes to world affairs. back in 2022, among americans, it was 72%. look at where that number absolutely tumbled. less than a majority now in 2024, down to
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48%. the percentage of republicans who are not confident it's the clear majority of republicans again. so these numbers are really being driven by republicans. and so it isn't much of a surprise that you see republicans like jd vance going overseas and saying what they're saying. >> do the numbers support the idea that americans want the war to end? >> yeah. if there's one thing that americans agree upon, it's a negotiated peace. look at this. 78% of americans want a russia. ukraine negotiated peace deal, just 16% opposed. you really get 78% of americans who can come together on anything, but they come together on the idea that russia and ukraine should have a negotiated peace deal. >> boris harry enten always great seeing you. >> great seeing you, my friend. >> up next, more breaking news. the firing of more than 300 people overseeing the nation's nuclear weapons without apparently knowing what these people actually do. later, new reporting on what may have caused one of the two massive fires in los angeles county. we'll be back after a quick
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headquarters who write requirements and guidelines for the contractors building nuclear weapons. now, sources tell cnn that members of congress expressed great concern when they learned about this. so much so that senators visited energy secretary chris wright to express those concerns about the cuts. one source telling cnn that congress is freaking out because it appears doe didn't really realize that nnsa oversees the nuclear stockpile. so, boris, tonight the agency is in the process of sending emails to impacted employees, rescinding their layoff status. >> renee. has doe responded to these firings? >> well, the energy department, a spokesperson disputed the number of affected employees, telling cnn that less than 50 people were dismissed from nnsa. um, and they also went on to say that those individuals primarily
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>> was he in the. vehicle? >> that is an l.a. county firefighter climbing over that fence yesterday. he's lucky to have suffered only minor injuries after the truck he was driving was swept into the pacific ocean. you see it there? meantime, the investigation into last month's wildfires are still underway. but some people are convinced they know the culprit behind one of the biggest, the eaton fire. veronica miracle has that story. >> one month after the eaton fire tore through altadena, all across los angeles are people like dawn sheikh hasina. >> all of this. is donations. all of this is donations. >> living in an airbnb and lucky enough to have survived the deadly fire. but at the cost of everything. she owned. >> this is. >> the avocado tree. >> and then you come down. and over here is the barn. >> her house now looks like this. >> i've just never, ever seen such a landscape of devastation.
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>> kasie hunt is one of many altadena residents now suing southern california edison, the main electric company in los angeles. >> yeah, i guess i just want somebody to be accountable. >> ali mercado is a partner at edelson pc, and cassini's attorney says his firm has now spoken to thousands of people who lost their homes. >> they're scared. top of their mind is, you know, how am i going to afford this? they want to hold southern california edison accountable. >> what exactly caused the fire that killed 17 people and destroyed or damaged 10,000 structures is still under investigation. but according to mercado, there's mounting evidence that suggests southern california edison's equipment sparked the blaze. >> people that have been flooding us with with videos, with photographs. and it's it's pretty tough for sce to to dispute videos of their equipment arcing, a subsequent fire breaking out at the base of their tower. >> arcing happens when electricity jumps from one point
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to another through the air, often creating a flash, and can generate significant heat. that's what's seen here on surveillance video from a gas station in altadena. mercado's firm claims, pointing to flashes of light near transmission towers owned by edison at the exact same moment, electrical sensors in homes across part of the u.s. recorded a massive disruption. >> we looked at the data and we were like, oh, my gosh, something very substantial happened here. >> bob marshall is ceo of whisker labs. his company makes household devices to detect electrical problems. the night of the fire, the network detected electrical circuit malfunctions, also known as faults, in eaton canyon. >> they coincide in time with the the flash of light that you see on that arco gas station camera. and what happened is there's a giant release of energy that actually propagated across the entire western electric grid. >> well, whether or not it was the cause of the fire, something happened. >> i want to be clear. we cannot say and are not saying that the
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faults that we detected were the source of the fire. what we can say with 100% certainty is that there were very large electrical grid faults in the area at the time, and exactly at the time that the flashes of light occurred on the camera. >> in their newest complaint, lawyers from edison are turning their focus to this small tower, which they say was decommissioned decades ago. she says it's not decommissioned, but has been idle since 1971. what are your experts finding in the at the base of the tower, all around it? >> one of the things that they've been looking for are physical marks. and we call them arc marks on the conductors that show that there was actually an explosion that occurred here. >> this is a claim sc disputes. a spokesperson says the idle tower has no obvious signs of arcing on the base of the tower. new video that has only recently surfaced shows the clearest view yet of what appears to be a fire erupting at the base of that
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small tower. >> so we know now that that this fire occurred because of that decommissioned tower. the only question is why did it happen? >> sc also disputes this. in the days after the fire, southern california edison repeatedly claimed that there was no evidence to suggest their equipment caused it. they've since walked that statement back. in a prerecorded video statement last week. pedro pizarro, the president and ceo of edison international, said sc is exploring the possibility that its equipment was involved but stopped short of taking the blame. >> sc has. >> not. >> seen the. >> kinds of things that are typical when electrical equipment starts a fire. >> we're getting the same playbook from southern california edison. making us go into court and demand that they preserve evidence, making us go into court and demand that they produce data to us. >> as the legal process gets underway. cassini faces the reality of rebuilding what was lost for her, holding who she believes is accountable, is
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about preventing the next fire. >> maybe they will be more aware of their responsibilities towards the human beings who count on them. >> boris. last week, southern california edison published a regulatory filing that they made to the california public utilities commission. and in that filing, they said that on january 19th, they re-energized all four of the lines in question, saw a flash of white light, and then de-energized the lines. well, now, edelson pc, the law firm that was featured in this story, is saying that by doing so, by re energizing those lines, sc has irreparably altered potential evidence in this case. and they're now asking a judge to sanction sc and its lawyers. we spoke to sc. they said that these allegations are absurd and that they have and will continue to preserve evidence. >> boris. veronica miracle, thank you so much for that report. thank you so much for joining us tonight. we have a quick programing note before we