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access to it. >> right. well, when i talked to a source familiar with this move, they tell me this is all part of musk. and doj's broader umbrella and kind of directive to try and hunt down what they are referring to as waste, fraud and abuse within the government. now they are turning their gaze and attention to the irs. now, you mentioned it, but the irs taxpayer data system is highly sensitive and provides data on taxpayers personal information, their banking account info, their social security numbers, their tax returns, and much more. so, of course, a lot of questions over whether, you know, there are privacy violations going on here. we actually did hear some criticism from capitol hill raising concerns about this. but just to break down what we know at this point. one is that a doge software engineer, he's currently based temporarily at the irs. i'm told his name is gavin kliger. he is expected to be granted access to the irs system imminently. i'm told as

of 9 p.m. last night, he was not granted access. we also reached out to the white house just to ask for, you know, their statement on all of this. i want to read for you a bit of what harrison fields, a spokesperson for the white house, told me. they said, quote, doge will continue to shine a light on the fraud they uncover, as the american people deserve to know what their government has been spending their hard earned tax dollars on. so again, them really emphasizing that this is just part of the broader directive that doge is using to try and go into these agencies and hunt down what they are referring to as, like i said, waste, fraud and abuse. but one of the things that's most interesting about this, boris, is that part of the irs system and part of what they're trying to gain access to is what is called the integrated data retrieval system. just to walk through what that looks like, that it's called the irs. it enables access to irs accounts, including pin and bank information. it allows access and adjustment to transaction data. and it also automatically generates notices, collection documents and other outputs.

now, i think a key question, of course, moving forward is what, if any, kind of real pushback we may see to this. again, we've heard from a lot of skeptics, a lot of people, all corners of washington, a lot of skepticism and criticism over these moves, just like we have in the past with some of what doge is doing, whether they have the legal authority to do this. but again, the trump administration and people at doge are arguing that this is all part of that broader strategy of theirs to touch every agency and every part of government in that broader effort to kind of reduce the federal workforce and reshape it in donald trump's image. >> boris alayna treene live for us at the white house. thank you so much, brianna. >> elon musk's government efficiency team is now targeting the faa as it looks to overhaul the agency. hundreds of probationary employees have been fired in the trump administration's latest wave of sweeping layoffs. the move coming less than three weeks after the deadly midair collision in washington, dc that involved a military helicopter and a passenger plane. in the meantime, we're watching as a team of engineers who work for

musk's spacex is set to visit the faa command center in virginia today. cnn's pete muntean is here now with more on these new developments. what's the goal of this visit? >> well, you know, doge has really had its eyes set on the faa since the crash over the potomac. but the faa has long been considered off limits for government efficiency cuts. but now this really takes it to a whole new level. the new development is now engineers working for elon musk are visiting the federal aviation administration's air traffic control command center. that's a facility in warrenton, virginia that essentially coordinates every flight in the airspace system nationwide. we know this from transportation secretary sean duffy, who announced this visit by musk's team. he posted on x that president trump is ordering a new air traffic control system and called for help not just from private industry, but any high tech american developer in overhauling the faa. meaning also private citizens. duffy said that musk's team will get a firsthand look of the current

system, learn what air traffic controllers like and dislike about their current tools, and envision how we can make a new, better, modern, and safer system. the tweets from spacex and the fact that musk is still involved in spacex has raised some big questions about conflicts of interest. remember, private space flights are overseen by the faa. they even grant licenses for each individual spacex launch. now, musk squabbled with the faa last year, called for the then administrator, mike whitacre, to resign from the faa. he remained on his job until inauguration day. >> yeah, that's a huge conflict, objectively. so what more can you tell us about who is impacted in these faa firings? >> is it a pretty big deal? and the fact that this is happening at the faa is huge. the concern is when these federal workers go back to work from the long weekend tomorrow, they could be barred from faa facilities. the workers impacted here are members of a union called passe. that's the professional aviation safety specialists union, part of the afl-cio. and

union president dave sparrow tells me. between 2 and 300 faa workers started receiving firing notices from the trump administration late on friday. these are the workers who helped maintain the critical infrastructure that keeps the air traffic control system operating, he says. not only were these workers fired without cause, but that this was hardly a surgical move by the trump administration in a statement saying it's dangerous to public safety and especially unconscionable. after the aftermath of the crashes that have been grabbing headlines over the last month, it's important to note these are probationary employees, meaning they've been on the job for less than a year, meaning this was the next generation of workers at the federal aviation administration, an agency that's had a really hard time keeping up with the pace of retirements and even attrition. >> and pete muntean, thank you so much. really important reporting that you're doing on this, boris. >> so what is it like to be on the other side of doge? let's discuss with former federal employee elizabeth anuskavich. she was an attorney at the consumer financial protection bureau, the cfpb, and was terminated in the trump

administration's mass firings. i want to read you a portion of her termination email. it says, quote, unfortunately, the agency finds that you are not fit for continued employment because your ability, knowledge and skills do not fit the agency's current needs. elizabeth, thanks so much for being with us. what was your reaction when you got that note and what was the process of being terminated like? >> hi. >> thank you so much, first of all, for having me on here and. >> for. >> everybody's attention. >> to this. um, i would say my, my reaction to receiving the notice was. complete and. utter shock. um, not only because i believe that i have the ability and knowledge and skills that fit the agency's mission and needs, but, um, because of the way that it happened, i mean, my paycheck was done as of that day, i have no information about exactly how long my health insurance will continue. i have

not received forms that are necessary to file for unemployment. um, and there's just a lot of questions about what we are supposed to do next to, to take care of ourselves. >> you weren't offered any kind of resources to to form a plan for what's next. >> we were given an email that you could reach out to. many of us have probably all of us who have been terminated with probationary status, and we've received an email back saying they are working diligently to provide us the forms that we need, and we should receive a packet in the mail within the next week or two. but we have immediate needs now, all of us who are terminated. >> yeah. of course. i wonder if you could help us understand what it means to be a probationary worker, what it entails, and why you think doge is focused on those folks. >> sure. so a probationary worker as as you mentioned just a few minutes ago, is is a newer

worker to the federal government at the cfpb. my term was two years, so i started in june 2024 and could have gone to june 2026. um, a probationary employee. you're new, but that doesn't mean that you don't have experience. i myself am a seasoned litigator. i have been practicing law since 2011. i came in and was immediately leading investigations, drafting complaints and a lawsuit that we filed. these are people who are ready to dedicate their lives to the federal government, um, from from various backgrounds, who are really committed to serving the american people. and i think doge is focused on probationary employees because they believe that they can just mass terminate us without without any recourse. it is true we don't have the same rights as employees who are post probationary status, but we still cannot be terminated for pretextual reasons. nobody who has knowledge of my skills or my ability was involved in the

decision to terminate me. >> to your point about serving the federal government and serving the american people, i wonder what you think the acting director of cfpb, russell vought thinks of what the function of the agency should be, and what do you think the ultimate consequence of that agency specifically being gutted will be for american consumers? because so much of what you do deals with financial fraud, right? >> right. it's hard for me to understand what the acting director thinks the agency's mission or direction should be, given how dedicated i am to what the mission has been, and the fact that i was told my knowledge no longer fits the agency's needs. but i can say the fallout of losing the cfpb will be immense. the cfpb oversees 19 different statutes. if you have a credit card, if you take out a mortgage, if you have an auto loan, if you have

medical debt, the cfpb had your back in those transactions. we oversee the military lending act. if you are an active military employee, we protect you from predatory lending practices. we are with consumers at every step of their financial life, protecting them and the loss of that. it opens a huge vacuum for anyone to come in and exploit consumers. and we are all consumers. and as the marketplace gets more complex, none of us are immune from predatory practices or from scammers. >> and elizabeth, i'm i understand that we have some video right now. i believe this is moments ago. it looks like the national mall and these are anti doge protesters out there. there's obviously a lot of sentiment, a lot of concern about what you're describing in terms of the sort of services and the sort of protections that are going to be at risk if agencies like cfpb are gutted or eliminated. i do want to ask what you think of the argument,

for example, with cfpb, that the agency's work was redundant, could be done by other agencies and therefore eliminating it could help reduce the overall budget. what would your response be to that? >> i'm so happy someone has asked me this question. i believe that the agencies that we allegedly are redundant are of are the federal trade commission. but unlike the federal trade commission, the cfpb has supervisory authority over banks with $10 billion or more. and and any entity that we supervise. so we can go in and work with them on an examination before there is an enforcement action filed. and sometimes there just is not an enforcement as a result of being able to solve something in a supervisory capacity. in addition, the ftc is focused on, um, what businesses are doing, and sometimes that overlaps with how a consumer is impacted. and then we figure out among the agencies

who will prosecute that case. i think the other agency that we are allegedly duplicative of is the sec. i did securities fraud litigation for nearly seven years. it's not the same. you're protecting investors when the stock price is impacted. the cfpb is the only agency that is on the consumer's side 100% of the time. that's that's our marching orders and that's our mission. really, the only thing that we overlap in is the ability to regulate some of the very entities that elon musk controls. >> so so there would be potentially exposure for consumers. could you address the the argument that eliminating it would alleviate some of the budget issues that we're facing as a country? the national debt. >> yeah. so i'm not a complete expert on exactly how the budgetary process works. but what i do know is that the cfpb is not funded through the typical congressional appropriation process. we're funded through the fed. um,

there's briefing out there that my colleagues and legal former colleagues, i should say, that are much more, uh, in tune with this, uh, that i would encourage others to read and look at. but when you have a line item budget going through every year, we're not a part of that. um, so that's a unique sort of posture of the cfpb. and i'm curious how this is going to reduce the overall budget. >> elizabeth, we have to leave the conversation there. please keep us posted. once you receive the information that you were promised, we'd love to keep track of the story. >> thank you. >> thanks so much. still ahead, major talks underway on ukraine without ukraine. what we know about a key meeting happening between u.s. and russian officials in saudi arabia. tomorrow, we'll take you live to riyadh. plus, a deadly storm sweeping across the south. the threat not over yet. kentucky's governor, andy beshear saying active rescue efforts are still underway. in certain parts of that state. stay with cnn news

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without them. french president emmanuel macron also held a phone call with president trump today. cnn's alex marquardt is in saudi arabia covering these talks. alex, tell us what you're hearing. >> well, brianna, the u.s. delegation is here. they had a meeting and a dinner with the crown prince mbs. but tomorrow, all eyes will turn to this very important meeting with the senior russian delegation, a meeting that we have not seen the likes of in the past three years during this war. the russians have called that an abnormal period, and they are looking to get past the frostiness between washington and moscow. they're looking to to talk about a whole range of issues, not just ukraine. they want to talk, they say, about the entire complex. but but the u.s. is focusing more on the possibility of a ukraine peace deal and approaching this very carefully. so what we're going to see tomorrow is sergey lavrov, the foreign minister of russia, uh, alongside the

former, uh, u.s. ambassador, a russian ambassador to the u.s. and then on the american side of the table, you've got secretary rubio of the national security advisor, mike waltz and steve witkoff, who's been doing a lot more work with the russian side. now, the u.s. is under no illusions that they're going to come to any kind of agreement anytime soon. this is the start of a process, they say, but this is the start of a process that, as you noted, is not including the ukrainians. and we did hear some frustration from ukrainian president zelenskyy earlier today. take a listen. >> ibrahim aqil. >> ukraine will not participate. ukraine knew nothing about them. ukraine perceives any negotiations about ukraine without ukraine as those with no results. we cannot recognize anything or any agreements about us without. >> us. >> so that does. brianna, that does speak to a lot of the concerns among the ukrainians and the europeans that the u.s.

is essentially pushing ahead. just speaking with russia about a potential deal. we've heard president zelenskyy say time and time again, no talks about ukraine without the ukrainians. but the way that the u.s. is approaching this and their defense of this is they need to get things started. so they're they're working on two tracks. one is this track that we're seeing right now, direct conversations with the russians. separately this week. there will also be direct conversations with the ukrainians. trump's ukraine envoy, keith kellogg. he is going to kyiv later this week. and then at some point, the hope is that the two sides come together russians, ukrainians at the same table. big question, of course, what is the european role? because we did hear keith kellogg say just a few days ago that say that they would not be at the table. brianna. >> yeah. so interesting. alex, thank you so much for that. and with us now to discuss this further, we have cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric leighton. also with us is kevin barron. he's a national security analyst and former executive editor for defense one. i mean, it goes without saying that if two people are in a fight and you were trying to broker some kind

of resolution and you only invited one of them to the discussion, one might feel left out and it could feel unproductive. i just wonder, cedric, explain the dynamics here and why it's a problem that ukraine is not here as an equal partner at these talks. >> yeah, we. >> have. >> this tendency, i think, in u.s. diplomatic circles to exclude people who should really be part of the negotiations. and i. think of, for example, what happened with vietnam back in, you know, the early 1970s, we excluded the south vietnamese from a lot of the discussions in paris for those peace talks, and we risk doing the same kind of thing here with the ukrainians. this is a really bad idea not to have them as part of the main negotiations. and actually every part of the negotiations. now, on the other side of that, the russians probably insisted on not having the ukrainians there, at least for the first meeting. at least that's my my suspicion. and that's something that, you know, maybe the the administration took into consideration. but the administration seems to have

this proclivity of actually leaving out the ukrainians. and yet we're talking about ukrainian and ukrainian lives and the ukrainian government and its survivability. >> kevin, if you believe secretary rubio's argument that initially they don't want to have ukraine and europe at the table to see if these talks progress and that they will be included once they do, what's the impact of not having ukraine and europe there, at least initially, to start? >> well, i think this is like. >> the worst marriage. counseling ever to have. >> you know, two. >> people. >> talking about you. >> without you there. >> and i just. >> came back from the munich security conference. >> and it's not just that the. >> ukrainians aren't at the. >> table, but. >> like you. >> said. >> the europeans. >> aren't even at the table. so everyone there is questioning what. >> the real motive and the real. >> purpose of the american setting this up is. >> and by. >> far the. >> consensus is this is the trump team trying to look tough and trying to look like the world leaders that they want to be. they're trying to bring the russians. >> to the table. it has nothing to do with the ukrainians. it has nothing.

>> to do with the europeans other than to make them look. >> less powerful. >> and less important than trump makes himself look. so everyone that's why you saw you don't have europe saying, thank you, trump, thank you for starting these talks and representing us and tell us how well it goes. we look forward to hearing from you. instead, you have president macron in france calling it an extraordinary emergency meeting of of europe's leaders to finally talk about a massive increase in defense spending and getting the troops and getting all the ducks in a row to do what, you know, trump has wanted them to do, but also what europeans like macron has wanted to do for about five or more years, which is create a new future for europe on its own that just cannot rely on the united states. it's not what they want. they would love to rely on the united states, but they can't. >> colonel, what do you think is going to be the result of this emergency meeting? are you going to see folks follow british prime minister starmer in essentially saying that they would sanction their troops in ukraine as part of a security issue? >> so there's some interesting developments there. you hear a lot of conflicting things from among some of the european governments. and we have to keep in mind that germany is having an election this coming sunday.

so what is said today in paris may be very different from the reality that comes up, you know, after this election takes place. but what i think will happen, at least partially, is, you know, the french are definitely on board with with making something happen, happen along with the british. the germans have actually opened the door to allowing their troops to serve in ukraine, which would be an amazing development given the history of world war two and german forces being in that part of at that time, soviet union. so what the europeans are realizing is that they have to have a defensive buffer, and ukraine is going to be that physical buffer. they're also going to, i think, use their troops. they're going to get to that point where they can say yes to many of their troops going at least to the border areas. if of nato and ukraine, and possibly even in ukraine, if the correct, uh, peace mechanism can be developed. if that can't be developed, then it gets to be

a much murkier situation. but i think this is definitely a possibility. boris. >> kevin, i wonder what you think about russia's negotiating position here, because you have the foreign minister, sergey lavrov, who's key in these talks, implying that, you know, moscow is going to give nothing. they're not going to compromise on anything. but it's not like russia's in the best position. they made a lot of territorial gains for sure. right. and that puts them in a position of strength. but they have lost so many people. and the economic picture at home for putin is pretty terrible. so how are you seeing how they're positioned? >> i zoom out wider. you know, i'm a guy who keeps thinking of guys like robert gates, who will talk about what putin really wants is that imperial russia of hundreds and thousands of years. he doesn't just want the slices of land that people are talking about. so zoom out. and even if some agreement is made where ukraine has to give up some bit of land and people start talking about is it a win for one, is it a win for another? the way the

europeans are talking about this already today is look, if you if you take away the pressure that that russia has to face in ukraine, they're only going to come for us, the latvians, lithuanians, estonians. that's their big worry is, hey, there's a there's a major realignment of forces going on. both, you know, metaphorical forces and alliances in nato power and the actual troops on the ground. and so if if trump wants to pull americans out of those baltic states and maybe put something more in poland, but also force the force, the europeans to send their troops one way or another, the europeans are thinking it's better to have everybody facing and making russia devote all those resources you're talking about to ukraine. so they're not devoting them to us up here in nato. >> yeah. and how real do you think that is? >> well, i think that's it's quite real. you know, kevin's absolutely right. the europeans are looking at this as we've got to safeguard our eastern flank. and this is one way to do this. and we have to keep in mind, you know, one of the great achievements of the biden administration was the expansion of nato. the fact that finland and sweden are in nato, that's a huge deal. of course, they wanted to join. they finally got in, you know, based on all the

political machinations that were going on at the time. but they were able to do that. and that is a significant setback for the russians. but kevin is right there. the main goal of putin is to recreate the russian empire or something like it. and if he does that, he's going to be able to achieve a degree of killed, that to him is a eople necessary sacrifice. and he's couching it as being a great patriotic sacrifice for the russian people. and that is why he can move forward. and he will continue to have support within russia for his position. >> your reference point in russian history, for which i think we are sometimes unfamiliar in america. kevin. cedric, thank you so much to both of you. really appreciate it. and still ahead, at least 13 people are dead after severe weather swamped the south and the midwest, but the threat isn't over. plus, health officials are scrambling as a fast growing measles outbreak hits two states. we're following the latest stay with cnn.

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valleys, for instance. so not only do we have the continued flooding that is ongoing from this past weekend storm, but now we're tracking an arctic air mass that's going to descend over the same locations and produce snowfall into some of the hardest hit areas. so over the next seven days, there is a high likelihood we'll break over 270 record low temperatures across the nation's midsection. but i point out kentucky, virginia, west virginia into portions of tennessee. some of the hardest hit areas from this past weekend storm. that is where this arctic air mass is headed. right now, we have these extreme cold alerts that stretch from the u.s. canada border to the rio grande that will likely shift eastward as the storm system evolves. so to complicate the search and recovery efforts that are ongoing across the state of kentucky, for instance, we already have winter storm watches that have been posted for the next storm that is about to impact the region. so right now we have five river gauges that are actually registering major flood stage. remember, they still need to crest in many

of these locations downstream. so this will be an ongoing event for the next several days. so here comes the second storm system behind this past weekend that brought the flooding rains. it will now be cold enough to produce snowfall. so frozen precipitation over this area. and then the coldest air settles in directly behind it. the heaviest snow will be to the west, but still 2 to 4in of snowfall over those hard hit areas of kentucky. that is going to complicate matters, brianna. and it's that arctic blast of air that will make it that much more difficult. back to you. >> yeah. certainly is. all right, derek, thank you so much for that for us. >> now to some of the other headlines we're watching this hour. a third victim has been found in the wreckage following a fiery crash inside a wyoming highway tunnel. at least five people were seriously injured in friday's pileup. that involved 26 vehicles along interstate 80. a portion of the highway is set to reopen later this week. also, a pilot made an emergency landing during a texas air show on sunday after the plane's

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outbreak in western texas, and apparently it's getting worse. the case count doubling in under a week to 48 people. this is in the south plains region. majority of cases are in gaines county. and local officials suspect the outbreak crossed the state line into new mexico. that's where three people in bordering lea county are now sick with one of the most contagious diseases in the world. >> let's bring in doctor paul offit, a member of the fda vaccine advisory committee and the director of the vaccine education center at children's hospital of philadelphia. ari, doctor, just tell us what you see happening here, why you see this spreading so quickly. >> well, so we. >> hear. >> about 50 confirmed. >> cases. >> meaning cases that have been proven to be measles by either doing a pcr or doing serology. this is probably the tip of a much bigger iceberg. i think it could be 200 cases. the other thing that worries me is i don't think people realize how contagious measles is. if you look at viruses like sars-cov2

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you know, shuttering schools or closing businesses or restricting travel that was seen by many as government overreach. same thing in 2021 when we had a vaccine and you couldn't go to places like your place of worship or a favorite bar or restaurant or sporting event, unless you had your vaccine card. i think people saw that, or some people saw that as massive government overreach. and i think we leaned into a libertarian left hook. and i think this at some level is a result. >> and so they're taking concerns. look, many of them valid. i think so many parents have had concerns or certainly with the benefit of hindsight, have looked back and said, why were certain things done right in certain ways? um, but when you're hearing skepticism specifically on vaccines that have been around for so long in cases like this, how do you talk to parents about the risks of not vaccinating for something like measles? when you're talking about getting into certain populations where there are really huge risks?

>> right. well, a choice not to get a vaccine is not a risk free choice. it's a choice to take a different. and i would argue in the current climate, more serious risk. it's okay to be skeptical about vaccines. i think you should be skeptical skeptical about anything you put into your body or your child's body. but often there are answers to the to the concerns people have. and so you try and explain those answers compassionately, passionately and humbly because we don't know everything. but on the other hand, i think people need to realize that vaccines are very well tested. and although they're not absolutely safe, certainly the benefits clearly and definitively outweigh the risks. >> doctor, i was just joking with brianna and some of our crew here during the commercial break that this winter has been especially rough. i feel like i've been hit with with everything covid, strep, the flu. et cetera. et cetera. and now bird flu is out there. a third person in the u.s. has been hospitalized with it. the cdc says that

>> the virus into their lower respiratory tract, their lungs, but that virus has not yet learned how to reproduce itself in the upper respiratory tract, being nose, throat and until that virus has learned to do that, it's not going to become a pandemic. >> and it may never become a pandemic, but we need to keep a close eye on it in case that virus does mutate, to then be able to be transmitted from person to person. but right now, it hasn't done that. so we need to keep our eyes open. it's possible, but it hasn't happened yet. >> yeah. hope it doesn't get smarter than it is. doctor offit always great to have you. thank you so much for being with us. thank you. and still ahead, it was a star studded night as snl

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