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to this crash. >> where's the crash? it's on runway 23. right. that threshold right at the intersection there. two, three and 15 left. flight one medevac. just so you are. there's people outside walking around the aircraft there. yeah, we've got it. the aircraft is upside down and burning. >> here's what we know. at this moment, all passengers have been accounted for. at least 15 are injured. at least two people have critical injuries. now you can see the passengers here walking off the plane. one of them capturing this incredible moment. >> in toronto. we just landed our plane crash. it's upside down. fire department's on site. mount tai down. everybody. most people appear to be okay. we're all getting off. >> cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean is covering every new development of this breaking story. cnn's richard quest, who

has covered the aviation industry for decades, is also standing by. pete, i want to start with you. you have such a methodical process on how you report in situations like this. what's happening right now? >> let's walk through all of the images here, because we are seeing now the response there at toronto pearson international airport. a fire truck still on the scene there of a very snowy runway, which will no doubt be part of this investigation as investigators try and figure out all of the environmental factors here, that what went into this crash, what looked like a relatively normal approach on the flight tracking data that we've been able to see. but somehow delta flight 4819, the crj 900 ended upside down and on fire. that is the thick black smoke that we saw pouring out of the airplane. and we saw in the following videos posted from the crash response of the foam truck that sprays fire retardant foam on the fuselage of the airplane, and you can see the emergency exits open. that is the ah, one door at the very front of the

airplane. that's a galley door not typically used for folks to go in and out of. that's on the left side. and you can see one of the mid overwing exits, the emergency exits opened and folks streaming out of the airplane into the biting cold, about 18°f there at toronto pearson international airport. we know that this is a pretty big international response. now, not only. national transportation safety board here in the united states, sending a team to look into this. remember, this was a flight operated at a minneapolis saint paul airport. so this is a u.s. flagged flight with an american registration. so the u.s. will be involved in this investigation being led by canada's transport safety board. they are leading this investigation to figure out all of the parts and pieces as to how this airplane ended up on the top of its roof with the roof against the ground there at toronto pearson international airport. no doubt the wind will be a factor in this investigation. we know it was a

pretty good crosswind as this flight came in to land on runway two three that's facing to the southwest with the wind reported 27, gusting 35 knots straight out of the west. so a pretty good 40 degree angle there to the crosswind. pilots typically either crash into the wind, point the nose of the airplane into the wind to get the airplane tracking straight down the runway and following the path, the localizer path down the runway. or they will essentially put one wing down into the wind to try and keep the airplane from drifting laterally left and right. we know 80 people were on board this flight, according to delta airlines, the typical seating configuration of a crj 900 like this is with 76 passengers. 76 passengers came in, 76 passengers came out a full flight with everybody accounted for. of course, our thoughts are with those who are critically injured. that is a big question now. and many people walking away with their all people really walking away with their lives here, juxtaposed to just

19 days ago when we were reporting on the midair collision over the potomac river, where all 67 people on board did not survive. really a miraculous end here, and a very happy ending to what has been an incredible streak for aviation crashes and disasters between commercial flights and private jet flights that we have seen with rapidity over and over again in 2025. we also know the trump administration is responding here. transportation secretary sean duffy says the federal aviation administration is also sending investigators to the scene. phil. >> richard quest, you've covered the airline industry. you have so much experience in this space. what stands out to you when you watch this play out? >> if you. >> look at the the the extraordinary pictures. >> the unusual. >> nature, what stands out for me is that this will have been an incident that happened with

incredible force, speed, and suddenly the this wasn't one of these things where anybody really had time to prepare for the idea that the plane was going to flip over, lose its wings, stabilizers and tail, and then everybody would have to take their seat belts off upside down. no, there would have been none of that. it would have been the urgency. it would have been the that the yes, the panic at one sense of the passengers, but the meticulous way in which the crew have evacuated the aircraft with years, decades of training coming into play, that gets the air, that gets the fire brigade on the scene very quickly. we know there was a fire of sorts. we've seen the smoke. we know that the plane was in critical condition, having lost its wings. the potential to have lost for loss of life was enormous. in this circumstance,

absolutely enormous. and the fact that you end up with people walking away, three critical injuries but none life threatening. that, i think, is the marvel of today's aviation. from the safety procedures, from the standards of the the g forces for the for the seats that are put into place. overall, phil, what i take away from this morning is that this was aviation at its very best. >> most people could be okay. >> it's such an important point, richard, a point pete's been making as well. we can't forget about that as we kind of figure out what actually happened here. pete muntean richard quest invaluable experience and reporting. as always. the ceo of delta, ed bastian, just released a statement about this crash. it reads, quote, the hearts of the entire global delta family are with those affected by today's incident at toronto pearson international airport. i want to express my thanks to the many delta and endeavor team members and the first responders on

site. we are working to confirm the details and will share the most current information on news.com as soon as it becomes available. in the meantime, please take care and stay safe. i want to bring in cnn safety analyst and former faa safety inspector, david soucie. david, to the point that that richard quest was just making, it's almost miraculous that and based on the team that was in the plane, the safety kind of elements that are on the plane, the fact that at this point in time, there is no loss of life. there are 15 injuries, two that are critical. are you surprised by that? >> you know, everybody keeps saying it's miraculous that there are no fatalities. but i've had a little bit of a different perspective in that i was present at the 1987 crash of a dc nine in denver, which was on its way out, and it ended up crashing on the runway and flipping over upside down. and at that time, these seats, these 16 g seats were not on that dc

nine, nor were the breakaway wings. it wasn't designed to break away. so the wings were still on the aircraft. at the time, this aircraft was upside down with passengers in it. so at that time there were 25 fatalities that we were not able to get out of the aircraft in time, and the weight of those wings were continuing to crush down on people still in the airplane. they couldn't get out. so to be able to see this now, basically recurrent the same number of people, almost 80 airplanes, 80 people to be able to get out of there without any injuries is pure testament to all of the work that the ntsb and the faa and all the regulators and everyone involved with the design of the aircraft has made this a survivable accident. i saw it happen in 87, and it was not survivable by 25 people. i see it today and it is survivable. so is it a miracle or is it just good, smart, hard work by the regulators and by the ntsb in trying to get aircraft to be safer and safer and safer continuously? >> i want to expand on this because it's there are fascinating elements. and obviously, your personal

experience is extraordinarily helpful in explaining them, because when i first saw these photos, beyond the bizarre. a plane is upside down moment, it was there are no wings. and then you saw the video that we showed. if we can pull it back up again with the smoke, just the billowing black smoke that signified fire, i thought, this looks terrible in every single way. and on some level you're saying this is exactly how it was supposed to happen, based on regulatory changes and structural changes that have occurred over the course of the last couple of decades? >> yeah, it sounds like a strange perspective, but i really what i'm talking about is the capability of mitigating loss of life. that's what the purpose of the faa is and the purpose of the ntsb and our accident investigations is to save lives. and that's what's happened here. so when i see this now, you brought up the smoke. and that does raise some very big concerns for me about how this happened. initially, i thought, as most of us did, there was a crosswind. but this

aircraft is is certified. it has demonstrated its ability to land in direct crosswinds at 35 knots. so unless some surprise gust came up, which is possible. but when you look at that smoke, you see that the smoke wasn't there until it was on the runway. the runway. the smoke started at the impact point, from what i can tell, and so that i'd start looking at a couple of things. number one is i would look at the landing gear, because if the landing gear is still in the wheel wells, if it's still on the aircraft and it wasn't out and got ripped off when it when it turned upside down or sideways, that tells me that that landing gear may not have been fully extended. so as an investigator, that would be one of the first things i look at is when did that smoke start? did it start on impact? which would tell me that the the impact was so significant that it either collapsed the landing gear or caused the engines to come down, which would have started a fire in that connecting point for the engines and cause that large amount of smoke that came out.

that doesn't just happen from landing and getting sideways on the airport on the on the runway. so there's a lot of investigation that needs to be done. i'm not saying that is what happened, but as an investigator, an experienced investigator, those are a few of the things that i would look at first. matt. >> can i take a step back just to the point that pete was making that, you know, given this incident, multiple smaller incidents we've heard about in just the past few weeks, obviously, a much larger incident here in the u.s., the tragic, deadly crash, there's been firing of personnel at the faa. your point about regulations and the effectiveness of kind of the government action here. what's your sense of this moment for the airline industry for flights and flight safety? >> well, what i want to caution about, matt, is that when we look at a short period of time in aviation, you have to understand that the litmus test here is a personal decision on your part. do you feel safe now when you're trying to make that decision? do i feel safe flying?

and i do very much so. there's no trend. there's nothing that ties these accidents together. so using critical thinking, you can say for yourself, do all of these things indicate some kind of trend in aircraft accidents? and to me, as an experienced investigator and being involved in aviation, as a mechanic and as a safety inspector for the faa, i'm perfectly i feel perfectly safe doing this. i don't see anything tying these together that says, oh, the faa is bad or the system is a problem. there are incidents that are a problem. and so it's it's real hard to, as a flying person, i get emails all the time and calls from people that say it's not safe. it can't be right now, even from pilots saying what's going on with aviation right now. and to me, i still feel safe. you have to look at the thousands and tens of thousands of flights that happen every single day without incident and balance that. but again, it comes down to your personal decision. if you don't feel safe flying, do not feel, do not fly. but if you do feel

safe and you feel like you're ready to go, take take trust and take faith in the fact that there are thousands of people like myself, that dedicated their life, their entire life, to making things safer and making make it more survivable. when there is a critical failure of this kind. >> yeah, extremely important to point out, there is no connective tissue between kind of all of these various incidents, at least, that i have seen at this point. david soucie always appreciate your time, sir. thanks so much. >> thank you. matt. >> well, new information on the delta plane crash, including details on the status of those injured. we're back. live with new details. next. >> it's the news. >> welcome back. >> but it's also kind of not the news. >> we don't fact check it. we don't care, man. why is all the information on this show so terrible? >> have i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn. >> tap into etsy for original and affordable home and style pieces like lighting under $150

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about the people on board here? >> well, delta now confirming that there were 80 people on board, four crew members and 76 passengers. and that would make this a full flight as it touched down there in toronto. and also want to reiterate that the ntsb is on their way to the location in order to begin this investigation. the lead, though, of course, on the investigation will be the transportation safety board of canada. anita anand, the transport minister in canada, confirming that as well. those investigators are on the way to the scene here. as i've been saying, phil, i was at the airport a little over an hour before this plane landed. there were fierce winds, a lot of blowing snow, crews working to really try and clear those runways. but again, we have no idea if that led to this incident or not. i do want to point out, phil, that again in about 20 years ago, in 2005, an air france plane hit the runway here, overshot it. in fact, it landed in a ravine. 297 people there came out. there were

multiple injuries, none of them serious. and again, lessons learned from that crash. phil, indicate that at this point in time, if the weather was indicative and they didn't feel that they could land, given the recommendations that were set out about 15 years ago now, the pilots would have been made aware exactly the kind of wind conditions they were going into and the kind of crosswinds they were going into. again, obviously, more questions than answers on what was really a terrible day at pearson airport given the winds. >> yeah. keep us posted, paula, as you hear more from your reporting. appreciate your time. let's get further analysis now from former faa control tower operator michael mccormick. michael, based on your experience, what was your reaction when you initially saw these images of the plane upside down? >> like many. >> when you look at those videos. >> and pictures, the aircraft upside down. >> it's a little bit disconcerting. >> but at the same.

>> time. >> the engineering. >> design driven by regulation has created an. airframe that's able. >> to withstand an accident of this type. and we. >> had. >> 80 people who. >> survived this crash. >> that is is. >> a result. >> of years of dedicated work by many aviation professionals to improve the safety of flight. >> it's a critically important point. we've had a number of our reporters bring up that same exact point as this investigation starts to move forward, obviously, in the earliest of early stages right now, what do you think investigators will be asking or talking to the tower operators who are there at the time of the crash about. >> primarily, they will be. interviewing the. >> tower team. >> at toronto. >> pearson international. >> airport to get an idea. what

were the winds. >> like at. >> the time? >> what was the. >> weather like? what was the visibility like? >> were there any. >> other problems with any other previous arrivals to the runway? that is the. >> longest runway. >> at toronto airport and where this accident occurred, and the aircraft came to a stop, was only a very short way down the runway. so it didn't have much of a time to roll out or reduce speed. so that is also going to be a factor into this. what did you see? how did it occur? >> can you take people into, you know, for people who don't understand how this process works, the communication between tower operators and pilots when there are weather issues, when it's windy like this or there are snow snowing conditions, how does it actually work? >> one of the tools available to air traffic controllers and shared with the pilots of aircraft landing, is what's

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know that some are in critical condition. these new images really show the incredible response here by the airport rescue and firefighting crews and the crash truck that came to the scene nearly right away. it looks like incredible response by them. hats off to them. the right wing missing and you can see what looks to be some singe marks there from the right wing missing. that's where the fuel is stored. so naturally that's where there would be a lot of energy for a fire, and a lot of the black smoke that we saw pouring out of the plane. and some of the other images. you can see also the doors that were used here for the evacuation. this plane is on its on its roof. it's inverted. and you can see from this image the right side of the plane, meaning that it's possible that the doors on the left side of the plane were blocked. just given the angle of the airplane. it looks like it sort of rotated a bit that direction. so the the passengers and crew and evacuating had to use what's called the r1 door. that's a galley door at the front of the airplane, just behind the

bulkhead between the cockpit and the passenger cabin. the start of the first class cabin. that's where seats are one by two in first class, then two by two, and the rest of the airplane, and then the mid wing or the mid fuselage. overwing exit the emergency exit there and you can see folks streaming out as the airport rescue and firefighting crews are on the scene clearly putting out, which was a very thick black smoke fire. so a lot of really good work here, not only by the rescue response, but also by the flight crew and also the passengers who were essentially thrust out onto this looks like a snow covered runway and blowing snow there, with the winds gusting to about 35 knots or 40mph and biting cold about 18°f. not factoring in the windchill. so this was pretty harrowing and pretty incredible that all passengers are accounted for with their lives. of course, some in critical condition right now, which is a pretty big caveat, but pretty amazing that everyone was

essentially able to walk away from this very terrible crash. and the big thing now for investigators to figure out is how this airplane ended up rolled over on its back. a lot of questions now about the approach and the wind, what took place here, and what were the conditions of the runway at the time? were they slick and snow covered, ice covered, or were they normal? and this is something that pilots typically look at. the braking action reports to give a bit of an indication of how smooth the landing can be once the wheels meet the pavement, or lack thereof if it's covered by snow and ice, that can really add to the risk factors here. and investigators will no doubt be looking into the environmental factors first and international investigation. led by the canadian transport safety board, but also being aided by the national transportation safety board in the united states and also the federal aviation administration here in the united states. >> hey, pete, while i have you, our weather team has been doing really excellent work trying to piece together how this happened from their side of things. we have we have a new graphic that

shows kind of wind speed on location where this was happening when the landing took place, and then the eventual kind of inversion of the plane. i don't know, i think if you've got return, you can see it. i'm trying to piece together kind of what we're actually looking at here. you've been talking about these very elements over the course of the last couple of hours. what do you see? >> you're seeing the runway there that the flight 4819 landed on to the southwest. runway two three. the wind is coming from the west. runway two out of the out of the west. we should go back to the graphic there. meaning that there was a pretty decent crosswind. you're not taking all of the wind at this angle. this is about a 40 degree what's called a crosswind component is challenging for pilots, although not out of the realm of their capability, especially professional pilots. and a gust to 35 knots or 40mph. it's tough. it's maybe not the smoothest, but it's doable. maybe a little tricky, but

definitely within the realm of capability you would usually have on the approach coming into the runway, the right wing down, or crabbing into the wind by essentially yawing the airplane or moving the nose into the wind so the plane tracks straight down the runway. so this really shows that there was a pretty interesting wind to put, to put it mildly, and may have been a contributing factor here. but the big caveat it's so, so soon in this investigation. we're only three hours since this happened, and and it's way too soon to speculate, although it's pretty safe to say that investigators will be looking at the wind as a potential factor in this crash. although, just to remind you, this is not something that you should be totally terrified about as a commercial airline passenger. crosswinds happen all the time. >> yeah. important point. i appreciate the agility, as always with the graphics. pete muntean are the best, my friend. when we come back, we'll speak with a commercial airline pilot

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airlines confirming that 80 people were on board the plane that crashed at the toronto airport. 76 passengers and four crew. we're still waiting to learn more about how this plane flipped upside down. to try and figure that out, we're going to talk to joshua sherrod. he's back with us. he's a commercial airline pilot and director of technologies and former senior ntsb investigator. greg feith. joshua, last hour we were talking about the flight crew here. talk more about their job when this flight is an emergency role, their role in the fact that 80 people were able to come off of this plane. >> yeah, absolutely. so when we think about cabin attendants and flight attendants, most, most of the american public think about somebody that serves you drinks and snacks. but these people go through weeks and weeks and weeks of intense training. and i can guarantee you it's not about how to take your order. that training is all centered around emergency response to all kinds of emergencies, including ones like this one where we have a plane that's in a

configuration that that is obviously not normal and not standard. so they are the linchpin. they are the pivotal piece in getting passengers evacuated efficiently and safely and safely here in the u.s. we're looking for a 92nd evacuation, and that's with not even all the exits working. so that's what they're striving toward. and while that takes a lot of compliance from the passengers, that is driven by that crew on board that aircraft, then you have the pilots, the flight crew as well. that's coordinating response from emergency services as well as the cabin crew getting everyone out. it is a orchestra of coordination to make the evacuation happen like we see here. and i think this is a testament to that training and that professionalism of that entire crew. >> focal point that can't get lost today. greg, i want to ask for context. i think people trying to picture how this actually happened. here. we have an image of the actual plane that flipped today. you can tell by the tail number this photo of the aircraft was taken in 2022.

that's what it was prior to landing. and we've seen with the wings sheared off, um, upside down, inverted as pete muntean has been laying out for us. what kind of questions would you be asking here as this investigation really kicks into high gear? >> well, i. >> think joshua touched. >> on. >> a. >> little bit. >> you know, in the. earlier segment. >> with regard. >> to crew operation. >> um, from the data. >> that i've seen. >> in it's early data. >> the airplane looks pretty. >> stable on the. approach coming down. >> it comes over the runway at. >> about 36ft over the numbers, which is normal 500. >> plus feet per minute. so that looks to be normal and stabilized. that could change of course. but the question is what happened once that. aircraft got close to the ground or even on the ground? because if you had a firm landing and the aircraft unfortunately bounced, or you planted the airplane on the runway and the runway was slick with a bit of a crosswind, in this case, there's some varying reports of 27 to 30, 35, 40 knots that could affect

directional control. once that aircraft leaves the paved surface of the runway. now, you don't know what's going to happen. the crew isn't really in control. and if they drag the wingtip, it breaks one wing, the aircraft starts to roll, it'll shed the wing. the good thing about this is that the wings and the portion of the tail that did separate, they absorbed all of those high impact energy forces that kept the tube, the fuselage tube, intact, which really enhanced survivability in this particular accident. >> you know, joshua, kind of to what greg was laying out there and this will sound probably a little bit simplistic to to an actual commercial pilot, but a plane typically before takeoff, it's deiced. right. it takes off kind of this snowy conditions. what about landing? when you're landing in a runway, when it's snow and it's windy, when there's ice, what's the process there for a pilot? >> so it's really getting a lot of information before that approach begins. and unfortunately, a lot of that information is colloquial. it's coming from other pilots that

have either taken off or landed on that runway. we talked about braking action reports, which in this case is probably going to be one of the most critical pieces of information that those pilots can get. it generally comes across as three numbers five, five, five, or maybe three, five, three, which coordinate to a scale between 0 and 6, six being the best, zero being the worst, and the the thirds of the runway first, third, second, third and last third. the problem is, is that's very anecdotal. so it's really just garnered off of what other pilots have occurred or have come across in that part of the runway. so, you know, they're trying to get that data to see if their braking action is going to be good, if they're going to be sliding to to see exactly how to to to make that approach most successful. >> joshua sherrod, greg feith, really appreciate your expertise. thank you, my friend. well, there is new information about the difficulty the plane encountered just before it crashed. we're back. live in a moment.

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adjustment to get in this way. the plane needs to point into the wind as much as possible. so in a perfect scenario, what they would have done is one option would have been to sort of nose toward this wind coming in that requires, when they hit the runway, to very quickly adjust, because the landing gear isn't meant to land this way if you're going that way. so they have to adjust quickly. the other option is they have this wing over here dropped down a good bit, so the wind is pushing down on it, and then they use the controls to keep it heading straight forward. the bottom line is you're doing a lot fast upon landing when you're dealing with winds like this. is it beyond the range of what's safe? no, but it is challenging. and as your guest noted earlier, what happens if the plane goes off the edge of the runway? that's a whole different ball of wax. this plane is landing at about 150 miles an hour. so think about all that kinetic energy being turned loose. as your guest greg mentioned a short while ago, it's got to go somewhere. when you touch down, it's got to go somewhere. if

you catch the wrong piece of gear in those conditions, if the wind hits just right, the results could be calamitous. >> yeah, the speed with which everything happened. and yet the fact that people appeared to walk out for the most part. >> so many things for them to look at. and the wind may have had nothing to do with it, but we'll find out. it's something to be looked at for sure. >> fascinating stuff as always. tom foreman, thank you so much. well, the question so many are asking, how could a large passenger jet just flip upside down? cnn is working with investigators to uncover new information. stay with our live breaking coverage. >> to the situation room. >> with. wolf blitzer. next on. >> cnn. >> and harbor freight, we design and test our own tools and sell them directly to, you. no middlemen, just quality tools you can trust at prices you'll love. whatever you do, do it for less. at harbor freight.

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airport, but we do want to turn to another major story in our world. lead in just a couple of hours. u.s. and russian officials will meet in saudi arabia as president trump drives a sudden push to end the war in ukraine. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says ukraine, quote, knew nothing about the talks. let's go to cnn's jeff zeleny, who is with president trump in west palm beach, florida. jeff, what are you hearing from the administration about eventually including ukraine in these talks? >> i mean, phil, that is the central question here. ukraine obviously not being involved in the talks on the front end is a major signal of priority. it's a major signal of outcome as well. but the president has dispatched three of his top foreign policy officials, as you said, for meetings tomorrow in riyadh. secretary of state marco rubio, his national security adviser, as well as his middle east envoy meeting with the russian counterparts. but ukraine is not at the table. that begs the question is ukraine now going to be isolated? is ukraine going to be essentially what russia has

been for more than three years or so, isolated by the world community after invading ukraine? but the president, obviously wanting this meeting to be in saudi arabia, that is no accident. the crown prince there has been not only hosting the meetings, they are going to play a central role here. and the president, white house advisers, tell me, would would like to join these talks with vladimir putin in the coming weeks. so that would be an extraordinarily quick development here. but again, the central question, you hit it off the the top here is ukraine going to be involved and to what degree. security concerns, of course, their future security. concerns there. they're a land and a and a territory. so many questions here. but for now at least at the early meeting tomorrow, ukraine is not there. and that speaks volumes. >> it certainly does. jeff, just your perspective in talking to white house officials, what is their ideal outcome out of this? would it be for a kind of a summit between presidents putin

and trump? is there a peace deal that they see in the works here? what are they going for here? >> it absolutely would be a summit. that's exactly what the president wants. i mean, it all started last week with that phone call between donald trump and vladimir putin. it really reopened conversations that had been frozen for three years or so. now. the road to a peace process, obviously at some point has to include a ukraine secretary. marco rubio has given some assurances that ukraine will be in the middle of this. but what's happening across europe also is so much a part of this. the summit is not happening in geneva, in helsinki. it is happening in riyadh, in saudi arabia that is sending the message here that russia is playing a bigger role. and volodymyr zelenskyy is a bystander at this point. of course, he likely will not be at the end of this, but there is no doubt the next step after these meetings tomorrow could be a summit between donald trump and vladimir putin, and that would

be extraordinary. >> yeah, it's just remarkable how fast these things have turned and remarkable yet again. we saw it in the first term. you covered it very closely. mohammed bin salman and saudi arabia's role in centrality in all of this will certainly be something to watch in the days and weeks ahead. jeff zeleny for us. west palm beach, thanks so much. i want to turn to our politics lead now. today, four top deputies to new york city mayor eric adams resigned. this after the outgoing u.s. attorney for manhattan accused the mayor of agreeing to cooperate with president trump's immigration plans if the justice department threw out his corruption case. this follows the mass resignation of top prosecutors in new york and d.c. last week. adams has pleaded not guilty to all charges and denies any quid pro quo. i want to go to cnn's kara scannell. carol, what more do we know about these resignations or expected resignations? and how is adams handling all this? >> well, phil, i mean, this is the first. political fallout. for adams since that decision was made by the justice department to file this motion to dismiss the criminal charges

against him. and as you said, that resulted in the resignations of seven. federal prosecutors. now, we're seeing the implications of this at city hall, where four of his top deputies, those are half of the deputy mayors at city hall have resigned today. and in part, they say one of the reasons why they are resigning. and this is a joint statement from three of them, they say it's because of the duty that they swore to new yorkers to carry out, and that because of the events of the past week, they were issuing their resignation. now, it's unclear if there will be more that follows or if this is where we are. but, you know, the mayor today, responding to their resignation, saying, i am disappointed to see them go. but given the current challenges, i understand their decision and wish them nothing but success in the future. now this is coming as there are growing calls for adams himself to resign. a growing calls for governor kathy hochul to remove him from office. but so far he is staying in this position. he is still trying to run for reelection, and he has denied participating in any quid pro quo with the

trump administration. of course, that was the basis for the prosecutors to resign last week because they believe that this is part of a quid pro quo to get rid of these criminal charges, to allow adams to carry out trump's immigration agenda. >> still, challenges is certainly one way to put what's going on right now. the court case itself, uh, is it gone? there's there's other steps here. right? >> oh, yeah. phil, there's still more to come here. i mean, they filed this motion where they had to get prosecutors in washington, d.c., to sign on to the case. now is before judge dale ho. he is the one that has been overseeing this case. and just today, there was a lawyer for common cause. it's a nonprofit group who asked the judge to appoint someone him to be able to argue the other side, to argue why this case should not be dismissed. you know, this is all kind of uncharted territory, but it's something that the judge could consider. he could allow someone else to make the case against dismissing this, and then ultimately decide what he is going to do. but because this is one of these

moments that is almost unprecedented, how this is going to play out remains to be seen. but the case is now before the judge, and we're waiting to hear what he's going to do next. >> and it's why i'm grateful kara scannell is leading our coverage on these unprecedented times. kara scannell, thanks so much. also, in today's world, lead mexico's president claudia sheinbaum threatening to sue google over changing the gulf of mexico to gulf of america on their maps app. now, sheinbaum says the company's label includes areas under mexican and cuban jurisdiction, and that google lacks the actual authority to make this change. and back in the breaking news in canada, we just got some brand new video. it's our first look from inside the cabin. it shows passengers getting out of the airliner after it flipped. you're going to want to watch this. coming up next with wolf blitzer in the situation room, he'll have all of it and much more on the investigation in the crash in toronto starting right now.