health crisis or health challenge for the pope. >> you know, as fate would have it, you had an audience with the pope just last week. how did he seem to you? >> well, that's right, i saw him just before he was hospitalized. and it was clear then that he was really having difficulty speaking because of the breathing difficulties. he didn't seem to have the lung capacity to talk for long periods of time. he did, however, seem very mentally alert. and i think that's what the vatican is trying to communicate through its statements that the pope is still alert mentally, but it's physically where the problems arise. for francis. >> all right. well, we will wait to hear more information from the vatican.

>> straight from the source. tonight, a delta flight crash lands on the runway as passengers emerge alive from an upside down burning aircraft. we have brand new details about what went wrong and new video from the scene. also, president trump's fight for more power now reaches the supreme court as he suggests he's not breaking any laws if he's, quote, saving the country. also, there is new fallout this evening for new york city mayor eric adams as four of his top deputies are quitting, with a major name now calling on him to do the same. after the justice department moves to dismiss his corruption case. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. tonight we're getting our first update from canadian officials on that crash landing on the runway in toronto. all 80 passengers and crew members on board that delta jet survived after the plane, which was coming from minneapolis, somehow flipped

upside down and caught on fire while landing at ontario's pearson international airport. we're told tonight that 18 people were injured. but it is remarkable just looking at the scenes of these people rushing to get out of the smoking wreckage, that everyone made it out alive. >> everything. drop it. come on. don't take your baby away. go away. go! holy. holy. holy. oh my god. >> you can see why those expletives were well warranted. as another passenger captured these moments. >> he just landed our plane crashed. it's upside down. fire departments on site. upside

down. everybody. most people appear to be okay. we're all getting off. some smoke going on. >> cnn spoke with the survivor, whose voice you hear there just a short time ago. >> we were coming in, and i did notice that, like, the winds were super gusty, the snow had kind of blown over the the runways. when we hit, it was just a super hard like hit the ground and the plane went sideways. and i believe we skidded like on our side and then flipped over on our back. it was mass chaos. i was upside down. the lady next to me was upside down. um, we kind of let ourselves go and fell to hit the ceiling, which is surreal feeling. um, and then everybody was just like, get out, get out, get out. we could smell like jet fuel. >> just remarkable to hear that witnesses story and the

investigation into what happened and why he and all these other passengers went through. this is just beginning as a chopper pilot who was nearby witnessed the crash landing and provided this account of what they saw. >> where's the crash? it's on runway 23, right the threshold. right, right at the intersection there. two, three and 15 left. so you are. there's people outside walking around the aircraft there. yeah, we've got it. the aircraft is upside down and burning. >> cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean starts us off. and, pete, what are the latest that the officials are saying about what happened here? >> they're saying so much over and over again that this could have been so much worse. remember, it was not even three weeks ago that we were talking about the mid-air collision over the potomac river in washington, dc, where all 67 lives were lost. now, in this case, delta airlines flight 4819, all 80 on board, okay, mostly with minor injuries. according to the airport ceo. and hats off to the fire crews, the pilots, the

flight attendants, even the passengers for evacuating this plane very quickly. you can see in some of the videos that they used the overhead bins essentially as the walkway that became the floor as they tried to get out of this plane, through some of the overwing exits that were turned into essentially underwing exits. if the right wing was still there, that completely sheared off along with the tail of this airplane. the big questions now, how did this airplane end up on its back? because the flight tracking data shows a relatively normal approach. as this plane was coming in, stabilized on the glide path on speed and altitude, things looked okay. it's the last few seconds, the few last few moments that are the big mystery now. and that's what investigators are really trying to drill down on at this very early stage of this investigation. >> so what happened? do we know what happened to the right wing of the plane? it was gone. >> yeah, it may have been sheared off essentially in a crosswind situation. the wind was coming from the right. one of the common techniques to

correct for a crosswind is to put the wing into the wind. we could see it in some of the video there. it was clean off back by the tail of the airplane. it's something that investigators will, of course want to look at the physical evidence, the ground scars and the telltale signs. they call them witness marks of where the pieces of the plane ended up. but they'll also look at the electronic evidence, the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. that will be so key. and the weather reports at the time, we know the wind at the time was 27 knots, gusting to 35 knots, about 40mph at a pretty biting angle, about 40 degrees to the runway. that can make things pretty challenging, although not out of the realm of capability of professional pilots. they may only just be a snapshot, though. was there an errant gust here that caused the wing to lift up and this plane to cartwheel over? or was there some ice on the runway that may have caused the airplane to slip slide along? there are some really big questions here. we know the fire chief at toronto, pearson, said. those two things

are not factors, although now it's up to investigators to figure out whether or not that is actually the case. >> yeah, and we'll see what they determine here and how quickly they figure that out. pete muntean thank you for that update. we'll check back in with you if there's anything new. cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo is also here with us. and, mary, it's great to to have you. you heard pete there kind of laying out what it could have been that gone went wrong here from your initial assessment, what are you looking at in terms of how this plane ended up upside down and on fire on this runway? >> well, pete hit the main points right on as usual. so we had a conflict on the wind. and i'm glad he mentioned the fire chief said, oh, no, it was calm and clear. well, we have meteorological airdrome reports. they're called stars. and it said the wind was 28 to 35 knots. air traffic control reported 23 to 37 and a 30 to 40 degree crosswind, as pete mentioned. so what i'm going to look at and they have this data.

it's on the cockpit. it's on the flight data recorder. and it's also on radar tapes. i mean, i could actually access on publicly available sites. you're going to look at the role. how was the plane rolling back and forth like this. you're going to look at the vertical speed. because if you're hitting all kinds of gusts, your vertical speed as you bounce up and down changes and you're going to look at your ground speed. if you're getting headwinds, your ground speed will change, et cetera.. so the investigators will be able to sort that out. but on this aircraft, yes it can. it can take a crosswind up to 37 knots, which would be within this range, but not if your runway is fouled. if you've got ice, snow, a reduced braking action, et cetera. the crosswind limits on this aircraft, a crj 900, can be as low as 15 knots. so the investigators are going to look at that and so do i. if this plane was coming in as within the limits as it clearly or should have been, if it went ahead and proceeded to land, then what looks likely is exactly what pete said. it got

caught. a gust. um, i in flight training. i was in the same situation. you caught a gust. and if your wingtip hits that ground, you're going to flip most likely. also, if the landing gear was damaged in that hard landing, that could have also caused it to bounce up, catch a gust of of crosswind that could also contribute to the flip. um, it doesn't doesn't take away from the fact that everyone on board is very lucky that they were able to get away with their lives. >> yeah. i mean, and that was the real question when we first saw this, the pictures of it just upside down. i mean, it was just a remarkable scene. you can see the snow there on the tarmac. i want you to listen to what air traffic control was hearing. um, right before this plane had been cleared to to make that landing. >> 1048 and 19. i'm talked. uh, 239489 10 to 1 270 23 gusts. 33 323. you might get a slight bump in the glide path. there'll be an aircraft in front of it.

clear the land. two, three in denver, 48, 19. >> what does it tell you when you you hear that? and, you know, we we're now hearing this term crash landing as we're looking at what went what happened as this plane was landing. >> right. well they got the warning that the gusts to 33. and of course, when the investigators look, they'll look at what the weather was given by the tower, because that will be most current, uh, the, the meteorological reports can be, as you know, sometimes an hour old. so that will be the operative factor right there. so just before landing, they were controlled. the 33 is pretty gusty for this plane. but it's it sounds like it's within limits. so whatever happened happened very quickly. and as the passenger said i mean it was seemed to be coming in okay. and then crash a very hard landing most likely compromised the landing gear, especially if it landed on one and one side was more damaged than the other. then the side that was higher to

the wind could have caught a gust and flipped over. so can i just. can i. >> can i interrupt you to ask when you keep saying, you know, that it was this kind of plane was equipped, or it's got a limit of 15 knots, certain planes essentially can handle certain wind speeds and cross winds. is that what you're saying? >> right? >> right. every plane has its own limits. bigger planes. many planes have much higher crosswind tolerances. but every plane is rated, you know, like the little planes that i fly. i mean, they can't take much of a crosswind at all. and every plane has its own limits, and you must abide by those. for example, 737 has higher limits and a 787 has even higher limits, as do airbus aircraft, and each plane has to be flown according to its limits. and i was on one of these very planes flown by endeavor in laguardia just a couple days ago, and we pulled out of the takeoff line because the pilot said, we're past our crosswind limits, and we got to get out. and we went back. and when the wind died down and took off. but you have to fly the plane. according to

that plane's limits. >> mary, it would be fascinating to be next to you on an airplane. thank you so much for for sharing your expertise with us tonight. also here, as you look at the scenes of that plane, you just have to think of the crew and the passengers who are on board. sarah nelson is joining me. she's the international president for the association of flight attendants. and it's great to to have you here because we know a faa crew members were actually working this flight. have you been able to to get in touch with them? have they been able to get in touch with their families? what do we know about them so far? >> well, we're in touch with the crew and. and what? uh, i can't really speculate much more or give much more information beyond that. but what we do know very well is that they perform their jobs perfectly today and went through extraordinary conditions to do that. uh, finding that hole, getting everyone out of the plane, a burning aircraft. there's only seconds to do that to make sure that everyone is safe. and they were they were doing their jobs perfectly. we're incredibly proud of them, but we need to get support

around them now to be able to deal with this incident and and recover from it. >> is everyone from the crew doing okay? can you at least say that much? >> um, hey, listen this. it's never a good day when you end up upside down trying to get out of a burning aircraft. um, but they are okay, and we are grateful for that. and and we're in a position where, you know, we can recover from this. >> i just want everyone to to listen to what these flight attendants in the passengers were dealing with is you can hear as these attendants are guiding passengers off the plane. listen to to this video that one passenger took. >> everything. drop it. come on. thank you. jesus. don't take anything. go away. go, go! holy. >> you're hearing them say drop it. seeming to refer to luggage and then later. don't take that phone. put it away. i mean, what

are flight attendants trained to do in a moment like this one, which obviously they hope they don't encounter. but but what is what is your first thing that you're supposed to do as a flight attendant? >> look, the first thing that we're going to do is we're going to find a safe way off the aircraft. so we're going to check to see if the scene is safe, if it's possible to get out of the aircraft as quickly as possible. they did that. they looked for that hole. they got helper passengers, instructed them to stay there and help other people off of the plane. they were giving all of those instructions, including leave your bag behind, don't fiddle with your phone. don't be distracted right now. focus only on getting out of the plane and away from the plane to safety. um, so this is this is what they were doing. they were shouting their commands that they've been trained to shout, but they are also trained to look for that situational awareness consistently, because the last thing you want to do is send people off of the plane into an even more dangerous situation. they were looking at all of that, taking all of that in, giving people very clear instructions, and everyone got out today and can live to tell

about it. >> obviously, every situation is is different, but is there a certain time period that flight attendants are kind of instructed about when they are going through their training of? this is the kind of most critical period. if you do survive a crash landing like this. >> yes. well, we are trained that we need to get everyone off in 90s, and that can be with exits that are blocked about half of the exits. so that that's a really challenging job. if you just think about deplaning, an aircraft normally, um, when when everything is in normal conditions, this aircraft obviously in inverted and they had to find those exits that were available. so it was it was a really pretty extraordinary set of conditions that they were working in. and we are trained that that may be the case. we may be upside down, we may be in the dark, we may be in cold waters. um, these are these are all of the issues that we have to think through. and, and are are tested through, uh, in order to be trained to do this job and get everyone off safely.

>> yeah. it's remarkable to to see these scenes. sarah nelson, please keep us updated and tell the crew we're grateful for their quick work today. >> thank you so much, caitlin. really appreciate that. we will share it with them and we thank everyone's support and recognition of them. >> yeah, and much more to come as we are following these breaking details that are still coming out as of this hour, we're going to turn to a source in congress next about aviation safety. also tonight, president trump is now turning to the supreme court about his presidential powers, as he declares over the weekend that no laws are broken. quote by he who saves his country. >> cookbooks, corporate fat cats, swindling socialites, doped up cyclists, then yes, more crooked politicians. i have a feeling we won't be running out of those any time soon. >> a new season of united states of scandal with jake tapper, march 9th on cnn. >> sometimes it takes a different approach to see the

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>> 821 4000. >> tonight, officials with the national transportation safety board are joining canada's investigation into what went wrong on delta flight 4819 from minneapolis to toronto, and how it ended up upside down on the runway. my next source tonight is minnesota's democratic senator amy klobuchar. she serves on the transportation committee and joins me now. and it's great to to have you here, senator. given this flight took off from from minneapolis. what have you heard about what happened here? >> well, first of all, as your last guest explained, the flight attendants, despite this tragic crash, would have been so much worse if they had not followed their training and gotten everyone off their flight. they're like the first responders of aviation, right? they were the ones their training kicks in. the firefighters there right at the scene, so critical it's minus two degrees wind chill. and when i left the twin cities this afternoon, it was around that same weather. it's going down

to -15 without wind chill tonight in the twin cities. and i think we get so used to this kind of bad weather and wind gusts. it's a reminder of why sometimes flights are diverted or flights are delayed. and i'm sure this investigation will be thorough and get to the bottom. but today we have to rejoice. pray for the 17 people injuries, but rejoice in the miracle that all these people were able to get out of this plane. and remember that the safety rules that are in place about the kind of seats and the seatbelts, all of that, that's what made the difference here. >> yeah, it's remarkable to see the work that these flight attendants did. and obviously this investigation is going to be under way. it's managed by the transportation safety board in canada. given where it crashed. but but, you know, aviation in general and north america especially is being scrutinized. we learned this weekend coming on top of all of this, as we're watching what's happening in washington, that several hundred faa workers were just fired. their union says that they were responsible for maintaining critical air traffic

control infrastructure. obviously, we're not linking these two. this is separate. but but when you see what's happening in washington, as we just saw the collision that happened there a few weeks ago, do you believe cuts like the ones that we saw this weekend make it riskier for americans to fly? >> i think it's first of all, important that we make very clear that there's no evidence this was linked to any of that, because this happened in canada, and they will be taking the lead in the investigation. i've spoken to delta today about that, but of course, ntsb will be there working with them. but i do think it's a warning that we have tried to keep our aviation workforce strong. and it's actually suffered over the last few years, and we've been trying to do training and incentives in place in law to get more people to go into air traffic control and really all kinds of aviation maintenance and the like. and it doesn't make sense to me to be cutting some of the newer employees that we brought in to, whether it's

maintenance, whether it's radar, any kind of piece of this air traffic control right now, because we can we're coming back from being in a hole and actually adding more people. and then suddenly to backtrack like that with new talent or people who had just been promoted would be a mistake. it's one thing to go in there and say, how can we make this more efficient? let's these programs are duplicative. we're having the same person do this. those kinds of thoughtful ways that any business would look at when they're making cuts. but instead, this across the board cuts makes no sense. and while it was not related to what happened in canada, it does make us pause and think about how we need to keep our safety forces strong, including people that are doing checks on these planes and the like. as you can see, it was the rules that were put in place on these seats and the fact that we demanded the safety that made this safer. >> yeah. and of course, it is important to make sure, you know, they're not linked. we're

not suggesting that at all. it's just in general, the conversation that is being had about aviation safety right now. and in response to some criticism of these firings that happened even before the canada jet had the jet crash in canada, the press secretary over at the white house tweeted that no air traffic controllers, nor any professionals who perform safety critical functions were terminated. elon musk said, you know, when someone was saying that it was people responsible for air safety, he said, please identify which safety personnel were fired and we will bring them back immediately. to the best of our knowledge, no one affecting safety has been fired. are you confident about that information that is coming out from the white house, though? >> not really, because what i've been hearing is when i was at tsa today in the twin cities, a guy who had not been fired. let me make that clear, told me that he decided not to take the early buyout, and someone else said, i mean, as you know, these emails have gone to numerous personnel. i mean, over the weekend,

hundreds of people who guard our nuclear stockpiles were let go and fired. and then they realized, oops, that might be really dangerous and brought them back. i mean, this is what's going on when you do things like this, instead of simply saying, okay, we want to make some budget cuts, we want to make things more efficient. let's work to do this. let's have some goals. let's get this done. instead, when you do this across the board because you're so desperate as they are to find trillions of dollars, because you want to give tax cuts to the wealthiest, which is exactly what's going on here. this kind of thing is going to happen, and it's really dangerous. >> i guess the question when you hear that is, and i should note, this comes as spacex engineers were set to visit the faa. we were told today the command center, according to musk, that was to make air travel safer. and, you know, there have been questions since faa regulates spacex, the conflicts there, what that looks like. but the question i think some people would have is, are democrats in congress doing enough here to to

step in and and have oversight of all of this? >> we have a very clear path here. and the first thing is to make sure that when the president is violating the law, which he clearly has done, that attorney generals across the country are bringing these cases. secondly, the president has said he wants to bring down costs, and we are ready to work with him on that. but in fact, costs are going up for average americans, just as they're looking at cutting taxes for rich people. so we are going to be holding the line when it comes to these kinds of activities where they're basically just doing things to help the wealthy, and we will do it with our votes. we will do it with oversight. we are. elizabeth warren this week is holding a hearing on the consumer financial protection bureau, which has brought in billions of dollars to regular people when they went after scams. and now the trump administration wants to shut it down. so we're going to be

putting big spotlights on all of this, asking the right questions at the hearings, voting against people we believe are dangerous. but in the end, this isn't just advice and consent. for the republicans. it seems to be accept and acquiesce in these nominees. and the issue here is that they have got to stand up. we're not going to be able to do this alone. and the american people sent a clear message that they wanted to see change, but i believe it was change in bringing costs down, not changing, getting rid of people who work at veterans affairs or making it harder for farmers and ranchers to be able to access loans. that's what's going on right now with the cuts they are making. and democrats are standing up and we are in this in a big way. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks. great to be on caitlin. >> up next, on this president's day, the president is now asking the supreme court to expand his powers amid a sweeping declaration from donald trump about himself and the law.

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director for vp harris, jamal simmons, former trump white house communications director alyssa farah griffin, and retired u.s. district court judge shira scheindlin. and it's great to to have you here, judge, when you see that quote, which i should note was not a one off, he posted it on twitter. he also pinned it to his profile. what does it say to you about how trump is viewing what the supreme court could soon be deciding on? >> well, i think what he's saying is that anything i do because i'm trying to save the country can't violate the law. but the problem with that is that's rather subjective. he decides that he's saving the country. and that's not the way the rule of law works. the problem is that any of us could say it, i can i can violate the law because i think i'm doing the right thing. but we don't do it that way, not in this country. we have we have a rule of law, which means if you don't like the law, get a new law passed by congress. if you don't like the law, go to court and challenge the law. there are ways to attack the law that you don't like, but one of them is not to take the law into your

own hands and just violate it at will. >> well, it reminded me of nixon's quote, you know, the president does it. it's not illegal. >> exactly, but it is. and he knew that, too. and that's why he resigned. >> and this case, alyssa, as we're looking at what really trump is trying to do, it's not just the government watchdogs that he's fired without notifying congress. this is about hampton dellinger, who is an appointee from the biden administration, who is to his job was to prevent the civil service being politicized. but it's not just him. you know, we're seeing this bigger scope of when it comes to the 14th amendment, trump's power to to fire civil service employees, trying to fire watchdogs without notifying congress. what does it tell you about trump's view, just how he is in his second term so far? >> so donald trump had four years basically. >> as a white house. >> in. >> waiting down in. >> mar a lago when his post-presidency. >> and some folks thought that he was stewing and he was mad and he was focusing on his court cases, and that was part of it. but he was also, as you know, planning for what is next administration would be like.

and a lot of those plans dealt with the roadblocks that he felt like he encountered in the first term. and every new piece of news that i see of, like, what piece he's trying to remove or who he's trying to take some authority away from, i see as ways for him to kind of clear the deck, to be able to get more of his agenda done with fewer impediments in place. and to some degree, he's got pretty broad authority, but he's going so much further than i think we've historically seen any president go. and it is purely because he felt like there was a lot that was stonewalled his first time in office. and this time he wants to be able to get done what he needs to. >> yeah. but i mean, looking at this, trump is coming off of a supreme court victory that essentially argued he was immune from being able to be prosecuted for, for official acts and had these kind of layers of what was official and what was not official. i mean, there is a reason that he feels emboldened in the power that he has, and there is and has always been a conservative argument for unitary power. and this theory, where the executive branch can't be told what to do by by congress.

>> right. every president wants to be able to do whatever he wants to do. right? and we've seen this a lot over the course of the decades. obviously, when the nixon case happened, that sort of took presidential power back a notch in a way that i think people felt good about. right. it limits we limited the fbi and the cia's involvement in domestic affairs. we limited the irs being able to be politically targeting of political opponents. but now it seems the president, this particular president trump, has decided none of those restrictions apply to him. and it seems like he's on his way to doing whatever he wants to do. we know that the doge folks are going into the irs. we know they're getting a hold of american data. we know they're inserting themselves into payment programs for americans. these are all things that give the president unprecedented amount of power. the only caution i have for democrats is you got to stand in the way of stopping some of this. but also, the democrats need to be proposing positive change agenda items. the american public wants. change the democrats cannot do is just be seen as the obstructionists in the game. they have to be part of changing

the government for americans to make it better. >> well, and the courts are standing in his way, but they may not be for for long because we heard from judge tanya chutkan a name that our viewers will be familiar with. she was the one overseeing trump's now defunct january 6th case. but in the argument that democratic attorneys general from several states have brought to her when it comes to what elon musk's team to do and can do and what access they can have to sensitive data, and the ability to fire federal workers. she seemed pretty skeptical of of their evidence today. judge, she said, quote, the court can't act based on media reports. we can't do that. the things that i'm hearing are concerning indeed and troubling, but i have to have a record and i have to make findings of fact before i issue something. >> so they were seeking what's called a temporary restraining order, which is an emergency order. and all she's saying, i think, is we don't need to rush quite that fast. we need to have a hearing. we need to have evidence. we need to have a record. and when i have a record, if i think it needs to be stopped, i will. so i don't take it as such a big victory,

which i'm sure it's being touted. she's just saying not emergency, temporary relief. i'm not ready to do that because i don't have enough of a record. she wants to be bulletproof if she can. so she wants a good record. >> yeah. it is remarkable, though, as we're watching, this is how this is playing out with with elon musk's team and engineers showing up to the faa today, getting into different agencies. the other thing that happened over the weekend was on 60 minutes. they aired a segment and elon musk came out responding, calling them, quote, the biggest liars in the world and saying that they, quote, deserve a long prison sentence. in response to that, i think we have the tweets here that we can show of of what he was arguing here in response to them. i think this was in response to a usaid interview that they had done with an official. but but what does that say to you, alyssa, about just what this is looking like inside the trump administration right now? >> so i see it different than some folks may and just bear with me. but i think that donald trump is giving tremendous leeway to elon musk to go in and shake up these agencies, to cut workers, to slash salaries, and

to do it the way that you would a startup, which is you might break things along the way. but by letting elon musk do that, he is giving himself some cover. if something goes wrong, when something inevitably falls through the cracks, some cracks, somebody doesn't get something they need from a government agency. he is going to blame it on elon. that's not going to be something that donald trump owns. and i think it's an important distinction because trump is not particularly ideological about all of these battles. and the way that elon musk keeps showing that he is, i think that there's he's being very strategic and keeping some distance from what's being done. >> you know, here's the question, caitlyn. here we are. i have a friend whose brother was a usaid worker. he had to basically get scurried out of the country very quickly because they were afraid that they were going to start arresting american officials, because we weren't going to be able to pay our debts. right. we had obligations to vendors, to staff, and americans weren't going to be able to pay that money. they were worried about his particular safety. so to get him on an airplane quickly get him out of the country from his program, how is it that we are withdrawing americans from the

forefront of american policy, when we know that china and other countries are trying to take on americans? and one of the things that we're going to see is americans travel around the world, spring break and summer break, and they're all treated with respect because people respect the american government and they admire the country. we are putting the country and our citizens in danger. and the way this government is behaving on the world stage. >> well, some griffin judge, always great to to have you all here. thank you so much. up next tonight breaking some breaking news out of the white house where i can now confirm that russia has freed a u.s. citizen who was arrested not long ago, earlier this month. that's according to a senior trump administration official. tonight, 28 year old caleb byers was detained at a moscow airport on february 7th after customs officials allegedly found cannabis laced marmalade in his bag and was being held on charges of drug smuggling. the move comes hours before talks between moscow and washington, between senior officials. some of the most senior talks we've seen since russia invaded ukraine are set to happen in just hours from now. we're also

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of new york state history, these powers have never been utilized to remove a duly elected mayor. overturning the will of the voters is a serious step that should not be taken lightly. that said, the alleged conduct at city hall that has been reported over the past two weeks is troubling and cannot be ignored. tomorrow, i have asked key leaders to meet me at my manhattan office for a conversation about the path forward, with the goal of ensuring stability for the city of new york. my sources tonight are john miller, cnn's chief law enforcement analyst who previously worked under mayor adams as deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism at the nypd. and joey jackson, cnn legal analyst and defense attorney. john, when you hear that statement, what do you think, governor hochul? do you think she knows what she is preparing to do? >> i don't think so. you know, she has written this these surf, these waves since this started. and as you know, the governor in new york state has the power to remove the mayor if there are charges. and for cause, but that

he can be suspended for 30 days. she could have done that a number of points when he was indicted and and so on. she hasn't. she seems to be sticking her >> what is going to happen? you still need to go before the judge. the judge still need to dismiss the case and the optics of this to be clear, that's the problem, right? why? because just a straight we're all good. >> he can't be seen as a puppeteer. it's over. if it was a straight dismissal, we're all good. there's no leverage over him. i think the problem here is that if. >> it was a pardon, they couldn't hold it over his head. >> right. so that's the issue.

right. and i think that because there's a lack, i guess, of trust between him and trump, play ball with me. that's where they're saying. because now the concern is by elected officials. is he going to be a figurehead of the white house or is he going to be our mayor? and to the extent, caitlin, that they could assume these charges because they're dismissed what's called without prejudice, meaning you could bring them back? that's the concern. so why am i saying all this? because you can go before the judge, and the judge can ask some pointed questions. department of justice, what are we doing here? are you going to dismiss or are you not? are you going to bring them up at a later time? is there quid pro quo? and i think the trump administration has the ability to just outright dismiss them. so there is no optic of him being a puppeteer. and then will this go away? it remains to be seen. but removing him when there's a primary in three months, how much sense does that make? last point. caitlin, it's not like she can just wave the wand and remove him. he's entitled to guess what. due process. that means he can proffer a defense. as john said,

you have 30 days where he suspended. he could come back and say, what are you doing? and this is improper. unjust. he could raise whatever defenses. meanwhile, there's a looming election. the voters, i think, you know, have a choice here. and that choice is very soon, a few months away. >> i was talking to some trump sources and saying, you know, why is this the fight that you're picking this early on to, to go to battle over eric adams? it's just it's just surprising. but to the. >> point he miscalculated. >> can we talk about the the last time this. >> ever was attempted? i love this fact from gloria pazmino fdr, but the mayor at the time, jimmy walker, resigned before it could happen. so this hasn't even been attempted in 100 years or something. it was. >> a sheriff. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, that just. >> speaks to what a moment this would be. if she does move forward with that. >> no, it would be. it would be stunning. and, you know, the proximity to the election and all that. but you have to just take a step back and look at everybody's strategy here. mayor adams strategy was let's form alliances with the white house and let's work with them.

and maybe, maybe a pardon will come out of that because what did he say? they came after me because i criticized the white house. what did trump say? right. they came after me because i was a political enemy. so they became validators for each other. the spectacular miscalculation is they could have just reviewed this indictment and said, after a careful review, we don't think that the bribery charge is strong enough to pass muster on appeal, and we think it is a flawed case and we're withdrawing it. it would have gotten some snickers, but they could have done it with a straight face, actually creating documents and statements and having people go on shows together saying, we're doing this. and now he's going to help us with immigration, was to actually add the quid pro quo to this deal that the actual bribery charge seemed to lack. was nobody thinking here, except we can show how we're bullying the mayor to do our will, that this would backfire. >> i think ultimately, though, you go before the judge. the judge will ask specific

questions as to why it's being dismissed. the usual answer, caitlin john thune, is we cannot prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. in a normal world, that's what it's about. it's about the merits. but we're not talking about the merits. we're talking about politics. he would be free to enforce immigration policy. he would be free to fight crime. those are not cases in which to dismiss cases. and so therefore that leads to this whole big problem that could have, to jon's point, been avoided. >> and as he said today, they are dancing on my grave right now. every news headline, every report. i'm not going to step down. i'm going to step up. >> he said he's on a mission from god. >> we will find out what. we'll see if there's any divine intervention here. john miller, joey jackson, great to have you both tonight. up next, we're going to get back to our breaking story, because that crash landing of that delta flight comes on the heels of other recent air disasters, only heightening concern among fearful fliers. my next source, though, has the numbers on why air travel is safe.

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deadly emergency landing by a jet in south korea late last year. all of that making it completely understandable why some people are wondering if it's safe to fly. still, a closer look at the numbers, though, should bring you some comfort. my source tonight is cnn's senior data reporter, harry enten and harry. obviously, this has freaked people out. you yourself? yes. i'm not revealing any private information. now you have a fear of flying, too. or trepidation about flying. >> yeah, i absolutely have a fear of flying. you know, i like to say it's one of the few times i find god is when i'm about to go up or about to go down. it freaks me the heck out. right. i don't really drink booze, but occasionally if i get a little nervous, i might have some booze before taking off. but then i put that fear aside and i look at the numbers because that's where i am. at the end of the day, i'm a numbers guy. and what do we know? the number of deaths from commercial airliners over the last 15 years is dramatically, dramatically lower than it was during the 1980s. i mean, look at this. there were 984 deaths between 82 and 89 over a significantly longer period,

including that unfortunate plane crash down in washington, d.c., a few weeks ago. you only are dealing with a little bit more than 60 deaths, so it's just significantly safer to fly now than it was in the 1980s, than it was in the 1990s, than it was in the 2000. so that's one thing we can look at. but the other thing we can look at is this sort of close runway calls. right. remember two years ago there was all this talk. right. of all these close runway calls? well, guess what happened in 2024. that story seemed to go away. why did it seem to go away? it went away because the close calls on the runway went down significantly. significantly from 2023 to 2024. look at this 7 in 2024 compared to 22 and 2023. that number in 2024. caitlin was the lowest over the last decade. so there isn't that clear sign in the stats that airline travel is becoming more dangerous. in fact, the signs are it's becoming significantly safer. >> and i know, you know, hearing this argument, we obviously spoke to a lot of the people affected by the crash in

washington. those numbers don't make them feel any better because they lost their loved ones and obviously are still dealing with that. and they see this and they're looking at this though. but but the other thing that people have looked at when they do look at the numbers for, for flying is that versus driving. and technically, what is safer when you look at the number of accidents that happen in cars? >> yeah, i mean, i like to put these numbers in perspective, right? and what do we know? we know that traveling by airplane is significantly safer than traveling by car. in fact, the chance of passing away in a car accident is significantly greater than the chance of passing away in an airline accident. so when you put it all together, yes. the lives lost. horrible. horrible, horrible. but the bottom line is, airline travel is significantly safer than it's ever been. >> yeah, we'll see where these investigations, if they lead to new regulations as well. harry enten as always, thank you so much. thank you so much for joining us. cnn news night is up next. >> this is cnn breaking ne