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>> oh my god. >> this is video. extraordinary video. a passenger took climbing out of an overwing exit that's now an under wing exit. or would be if the right wing were still there. others got out through the front exit of the crj 900 regional jet operated for delta by endeavor air. their world literally turned upside down. this is not how you ever expect to see a passenger plane, let alone one in which anyone, or in this case, everyone, makes it out alive. the crash happened on landing at about 213 this afternoon. that's according to flightaware. a short time later, this is the conversation between toronto tower and a rescue chopper. >> where's the crash? it's on runway two three, right at the threshold. right at this intersection there. two, three and 15 left. okay, we got it in sight. can you tell us what type of aircraft it was? uh, yeah, it was an rj. 9.1 medevac. just so

you are. there's people outside walking around the aircraft there. yeah, we've got it. the aircraft is upside down and burning. >> the aircraft is upside down and burning. the question now, how did it get that way? at least 17 people were hurt. in a moment, we'll be joined by a team of aviation experts and air safety experts. first, though, cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean, who has done phenomenal work all day long. keeping us updated on this. what's the latest you're learning about what caused the crash, pete? well, the cause here is still. >> under investigation, john. and of course, investigators want to look at the airplane, the pilots and the environment. the airplane. probably not a big question here because it flew several times throughout the day. but the most abnormal thing here is the environment and especially the wind. at the time of this crash, 27 knots, gusting to 35 knots, about 40mph at a 40

degree angle to the runway that this plane was landing on, which could have posed some pretty interesting challenges here. it's not totally clear what caused this plane to roll onto its back, because the flight data shows the plane coming in on a relatively stable approach. nothing out of the ordinary there. but now investigators will want to know if the wind played a factor and it did in previous crashes, like the crash of continental 1404 back in 2008 that was on takeoff, but a similar outcome. everybody walked away from that crash, mostly. okay. the investigators now really have their work cut out for them, and of course they will be asking if the condition of the runway was also a factor

here. biting cold there in toronto at the time of this crash. about 18 degrees before you factor in the wind chill. >> yeah, you can see the passengers shivering on the runway after they managed to escape. first responders were on the scene in just minutes. what more can you tell us about the immediate aftermath? >> a textbook and harrowing response here by the airport rescue and firefighting crews. they were able to get to that plane that was apparently on fire. we know that not only from the singe marks on the fuselage there where the right wing was, but also near the engines, and also the video of the black smoke rising above toronto pearson international airport. they use foam and water trucks. they're able to spray as they're moving. that is so critical because fire can spread so quickly in a crash like this. you just have to imagine the terror that the passengers were feeling turned upside down, hanging from their seatbelts in a dark passenger cabin that is on fire. everybody did their job here, from the pilots, the flight attendants, the control

tower, the first responders all the way down to the passengers. and getting out of this airplane safely and quickly, everybody escaping with their lives. >> what about injuries, pete? what are you hearing about that? >> the latest update from toronto pearson international airport ceo is that 17 were injured in this crash. we thought maybe a couple were critically injured, she said. there were only minor injuries in this crash was especially good news. you know, a lot of people can be injured in something like this because they're hanging from their seatbelts, and then they go to unstrap their seatbelts. they could fall essentially because of gravity to the ceiling, which is now the floor, and injure their head, neck or back. so really pretty incredible here that not many people were injured only 19 days ago that we were covering the crash of american, an american airlines flight over the potomac river when it was hit by a military army blackhawk helicopter. all 67 people in that crash died. and here we're talking about an extremely different outcome that could have been much worse. >> very different. all right, pete, stick around, if you will. i want to bring in former

national transportation safety board managing director peter goelz. also, stephen wallace, former director of the faa's office of accident investigation. and steve, i want to start with you here. when you look at the pictures of this plane just upside down, partially charred aircraft on its roof missing a wing and its tail, well, where do you begin with this investigation? >> you know, i think it's first worth noting that this is the second accident that people will describe as miraculous at this exact same airport, because the air france crashed an airbus 340 in august of 2005, 297 passengers, 12 flight, 309 people got off that airplane, which was completely destroyed by fire and without a single life threatening injury. and i would just quote what the transportation safety board of canada said at the time of that accident. prophetic unfavorable

weather conditions and poor landing decisions combined. that's that's what they said about about that accident. and i'm not passing judgment on what happened in this accident. now, you know, when we certify an airplane at the faa and i worked in aircraft certification for many years, we do evacuation demonstrations where we basically you load it up with a representative load of passengers, age, sex mix, and you block half the exits. it's standing on its landing gear, and it's just kind of a certification criteria. and people have a tendency to think, oh, you are supposed to get out in 90s and that's just a certification criteria. and this accident demonstrates kind of the ultimate fallibility of the faa's approach. well, it's a good criteria to measure the escape ability. but look at this. this is completely. escape slides. ridiculous. the airplane

is inverted. uh, accidents never happen the way they're supposed to. >> no, you have to have a cool head to get out of this safely. and clearly they did. peter goelz. what are the initial questions you think are most important to have answered tonight? >> well, i've got complete faith in the transportation safety board of canada. they are methodical and they're good. uh, and they are going to get they will issue an interim report per a treaty, the icao, uh, treaty that we're all signatories to in 30 days. uh, i think it's extraordinary that there were 17 injuries, none of them serious. and that that is a tribute to the way in which these planes are designed. now, since the early 2000, they've had to have, as of 2009, 16 g seats, seats that can withstand an accident such as this and not

detach themselves from the floor of the aircraft. um, steve knows and we we've seen accidents where people have survived the crash landing but been killed because their seats have been propelled forward. uh, and people have died. it's extraordinary, uh, that that these these folks walked away from this. and it's a sign, uh. during this political year of where a government regulation saved lives. >> um, those seats, had they not been in there, we might have had a very different outcome. pete, at what point is a windy day at the airport too windy to land? and what were the wind speeds here, exactly? >> 35 knots. was the peak gust recorded at the time, but that is just a snapshot of the wind at the time. there could have been gusts that were higher. i have to tell you, i've scratched flights all the time from my little airplane, but the difference here is that my airplane weighs about 2,000 pounds. a crj 900 weighs about

47,000 pounds, so they're much more capable when it comes to commercial airplanes and the wind. but it is always a factor. and this is kind of at about the limit for flights, especially given the fact that there was a major wind event up and down the eastern seaboard. the winds were very high here in washington. there were a lot of flight diversions in this area. there's a huge low pressure system moving through causing all this wind. so this is pretty significant. and of course investigators want to look at the wind and whether or not the plane was capable, whether or not the pilots were capable. and there are some big questions there. >> peter goelz this plane took off from minneapolis, landed in toronto. will the investigation extend all the way back to when it took off from u.s. soil? and could that be relevant or really just be focused on on the landing in toronto? >> well, the standard investigation, they will lock down all of the information about this plane, its maintenance history, where it's been. they will lock down all the information about the flight crew. did they have enough rest?

were they properly trained? uh, they will lock down everything that they can to uncover, uh, what contributed to this accident and what might be declared a probable cause. so. yeah. and the the canadians will lead the investigation. but the united states, through the ntsb, the faa, is, uh, is a party to this investigation. they will assist. and, uh, i think i think in 30 days, we're going to have a good picture of what happened here. >> 30 days. pete, in some of the video that we've seen, we've heard we think flight attendants telling people, leave their bags, just get out, get out. based on what we've seen so far, what kind of training do you think aided in making this such a successful evacuation? >> flight attendants are aviation's first responders, and they are there in part for your convenience, but primarily to keep you safe. and one of the big things that we see over and over in accidents, not so much in the u.s., but especially abroad, is people bringing their bags with them, which can really

slow down an evacuation when seconds count. lives are on the line. and so you heard the flight attendants saying, leave it behind. i'm a little disturbed by the fact that there is video being taken of the evacuation from the first person. it's incredible to see, although probably not advisable, it's really, really important to leave everything behind. those things are replaceable. you cannot replace your life. >> good point you're making there, pete muntean everyone, thank you so much. next perspective from one of the two pilots behind what became known as the miracle on the hudson, chesley sully sullenberger will join us. and later, after raising concerns, he would defy courts, then saying, of course he wouldn't. the president is now tweeting, he who saves his country does not violate any law. what's up with that? we're keeping them honest. >> a heart attack. do they have life insurance? >> no. >> but we have life insurance. john. >> i'm trying to find something

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u.s. airways 1549, the so-called miracle on the hudson flight. captain sullenberger is also the former u.s. ambassador to the international civil aviation organization. ambassador sullenberger, great to see you. what is your view of what happened in toronto? how does a plane end up upside down? >> john, it's good to be with you. and thank you for mentioning the 1549 flight. of course, i was only half of it. captain jeff skiles was the other half. i'm very glad that the families of those involved got good news and that everyone survived. and that's a real testament to all the hard work that's been done up until now. my takeaway from this is that these recent crashes and incidents are a reminder that in spite of how safe aviation has become, there's still a lot of work to be done and investments to be made. >> how so? you say this system is taxed. explain. >> well, we're understaffed,

particularly in air traffic control and maintenance. on the navigation facilities that we use in this country. we still need to make investments to make sure that aviation can be kept as safe as it is. and to meet, i think, what is our our obligation to as we learn how to make aviation safer, to make those investments, to keep making improvements as we go forward into the future. i think we owe that to everyone who flies. >> talk to us about what it's like to be in the cockpit at a moment of crisis like this. obviously, the circumstances were different, and what happened here was, i think must have been seconds in the making. but what do you have to do to try to prevent or avoid the loss of life? >> well, you have to work together. passengers and crew. and you have to make very important decisions very quickly and make

>> we did so quickly. how important do you think the proper training is in having a miracle like this? >> well, it's clearly the result of the crew working well together and the passengers listening to the crew and understanding where the emergency exits are, how they work. um, not taking their belongings with them. even on our flight, as happens in every accident flight. many of the passengers tried to take their luggage with them, and when we were evacuating the airplane into the rafts on the hudson river, some of the other

passengers seeing passengers, take their luggage with them through the luggage into the river. so it was almost karma that the only people who didn't get their luggage back were the people who tried to take them with them. >> i was on the hudson. i was one of the first reporters to race to the banks. i saw it floating down the river. it was a remarkable sight, and i know how important it was for you to get confirmation that all souls on board your plane were accounted for. there have been no fatalities. so what kind of emotions do you expect that the delta crew is going through tonight in toronto? >> well, clearly, the crew and the families and the passengers and their families will have to process this. and even though there was a good outcome, i'm sure the event itself was very stressful. they may feel what we did and have some version of post-traumatic stress disorder afterward. um, but if they if they talk about it, if they process it and, and work at it,

they can all come out of it better on the end. >> uh, it is important to talk about it. i hope they have each other tonight to get through this. they are all very lucky. but as you said, it was important that they work together. captain sullenberger, thank you so much for your time. we appreciate you being with us. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> up next, we're taking a closer look at the wind conditions on the ground in toronto and why the plane seats were crucial in the survival of these survival of these passengers. and serious concerns tonight about the health of pope francis. hospitalized for a fourth night as doctors change course on his treatment. >> climbing up on solsbury hill. i could see the city light. my heart going boom, boom, boom. hey, he said, grab your things. i've come to take you away.

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high winds. tom, what does that look like? >> well, what it looked like as it came in was a strong wind coming in at sort of a 45 degree angle to the way that they were trying to land. so imagine if this is the runway here on both sides, and they're trying to come in and you have these strong winds coming in from this angle roughly to deal with this, john. typically what you're going to do is either angle the plane toward the wind or tip this wing down. there are two different approaches. and when you get close to the ground, you want to sort of adjust everything over to get the wheels down headed straight. that's a very simple explanation, but that's what you're trying to do. it's a lot to do in a short period of time, and it is challenging. and if you do it, you if you don't get it exactly right or get the wrong gust, you can get one under a wing over here pushing you up, or you can get a little off center here and on ice and snow. maybe start sliding once something gets over the edge over here, or a wing tip touches the ground, all bets are off. >> all bets are off. indeed. we

talked about peter goelz did about how the seats on this plane might have saved lives. explain that. >> peter goelz is really making a very important point here, as he always does. the 16 g seat when you hear this term 16 g it's basically 16 g like you hear about jet fighters, you gravitational force. the reason this seat was required on so many planes is precisely for this. if you had a plane that started tumbling, or a plane that somehow. survived impact, very often there's a fireball, a huge problem. they don't survive. but if they do survive, you don't want people dying inside simply because the seat collapses or doesn't stay bolted to the floor. the. 16 g seat was made precisely for this reason, and the faa was happy with the results they got out of testing of these. why don't they make them above 16 g? because an impact above that you're not going to survive even if you remain strapped into the seat. a big goal here making these big challenge. you're upside down

inside that plane trying to release that buckle and drop down without hurting yourself. that's a big challenge, but at least you have that chance. and in this case, these seats are going to be considered a real winner in all of this, even as they try to sort out whether the wind or the ice or something else had to do with this problem. >> built for exactly this scenario. tom foreman, great to see you. thanks so much. >> good seeing. >> you, john. with us now, commercial airline pilot josh sherrod. and josh, when you see the damage from this plane, not just upside down, but the damage to the wing and the tail, what does that suggest to you about how it came down? >> you know, as i saw these pictures in the video and as i hope the american public is seeing these pictures in the video, i know it's somewhat contradictory and a hot take, but i see this and i see how safe air travel actually is. we're looking at a crj 900, a commercial airline that came in at about 120 miles an hour, hit the ground, rolled for some reason, sheared off both the wings, the tail caught on fire, and we're looking at every

occupant walking out of that plane. that plane's engineering is absolutely a marvel. coupled with the flight crew and the cabin crew and the flight attendants that were able to effectively and efficiently and professionally get everyone out of that aircraft. to me, when i look at this, that's what i see is a safe airplane and a very proficient crew. >> got it. i guess, though, we want to address the questions of how did it end up in the position that it did. talk to us about the wind. 40mph that was gusting, coming in at an angle. how can that make landing more difficult? and how do you deal with that? >> absolutely. so when we're looking at the airplane coming in on runway two three, the winds in toronto are coming at 270. so right out of the west. so like we just talked about we had about a 40 degree quartering headwind coming at that aircraft. what that means is we do a bunch of math and a bunch of numbers is we generate a crosswind component out of that.

basically the amount of wind that's actually coming, a beam of the aircraft. and, and we're looking at about 23 knots or about 28, 29 miles an hour, which is actually well within the crj 900 demonstrated max crosswind component of 35 knots. so 3940 miles an hour. so when the pilots are coming in, they realize that they're going to have a stiff crosswind. it's going to be challenging, but it's well within the limits. the issue that i think that we're seeing here is we're having multiple problems come up at the same time, which really, really hinders our ability to mitigate a lot of that risk. we're looking at the environmental conditions, the ice, the snow on the runway. i literally flew out of aspen, colorado this morning that had far less snow and ice on the runway and taxiways, and we were sliding all over the taxiways. so what i think we're looking at here is that wind making a very challenging landing that the pilots, i'm sure were very capable of and have probably done several times. but when we're trying to do it on snow and ice, the chance of them hitting an ice patch and that gusty wind coming just at the

same time can absolutely blow them off the runway. anybody that's driven on the roadway and hit a patch of ice realizes that once you hit it, you're at the mercy of inertia and momentum and physics at that point. so the propensity of that all coming together at the same moment and then leaving the runway, i think, is where we're seeing this plane roll and we're seeing the damage and the crash that occurred. >> we should get some answers fairly soon. joshua riyadh, we appreciate your expertise on this. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> we got more news next, starting with the president petitioning the highest court in the land for help, but also suggesting he above the law. what's with that? also, a look ahead to tomorrow's u.s. russia, peace talks over ukraine. but without ukraine, even present. >> i want. i want, i want, one. one one. oh. oh.

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this from the president on social media. he who saves his country does not violate any law. for a while, he pinned it to the top of his post. it is purported to be something from the french emperor napoleon bonaparte, something he once said, though his providence is dubious. in any case, napoleon was no champion of democracy or the rule of law. the emperor part sort of gives it away. presidents, on the other hand, are supposed to be. they even say so out loud before taking the job. >> and will, to the best of my ability, and. >> will to the best of my ability. >> preserve, protect and defend. >> preserve, protect and defend. >> the constitution of the united states. >> the constitution of the united states. >> so help me god. >> so help me god. >> so how to square that with? so help me god. unless i'm saving the country, then all bets are off, because that's what the president seems to be suggesting. and with more than a dozen court cases now pending against a slew of administration orders and actions, that's not

all he is saying. in just the last couple of weeks, he has said that judges should not be telling the executive branch what to do. >> judges should be ruling. they shouldn't be dictating what you're supposed to be doing. >> he has said judges should not be interfering in his freezing spending, which congress duly approved and mandated. >> the day you're not allowed to look for theft and fraud, et cetera., then we don't have much of a country, so no judge should be, uh, no judge should, frankly be allowed to make that kind of a decision. >> the president and vice president have both openly flirted with the notion of directly defying court orders. >> and when the courts, because you will get taken to court and when the courts stop, you stand before the country like andrew jackson did and say the chief justice has made his ruling. now let him enforce it. >> the president has also said that as president, he enjoys almost unlimited power. >> i have an article two where i

have the right to do whatever i want as president. >> when the president does it, it's not illegal. >> i'm just saying a president under article two is very strong. read it. do you have article two? read it now. >> article two lays out the power of the executive branch, the powers which are considerable, in which only grew with the supreme court ruling in the immunity case. united states versus trump. what the president does not mention, though, is the responsibilities laid out in article two, including that he shall, quote, take care that the laws be faithfully executed. now, to be fair, when this first caused an uproar a bit more than a week ago, the president backtracked, saying, of course i will not defy the courts. i will just appeal the case. in fact, he said it more than once in his press secretary said it too. but then just a few days later, it's he who saves his country does not violate any law. just yesterday, he filed an emergency appeal asking the supreme court to let him fire this man, hampton dellinger, who heads the independent office of special counsel, which is a top government watchdog for

protecting whistleblowers and establishing the position. congress made it clear the special counsel could only be removed by a president for, quote, inefficiency, neglect of duty or malfeasance in office and firing him. the white house cited none of those, and it's hardly the only such firing the white house has carried out in petitioning the high court, the president is asking for a stamp of approval to exercise power above and beyond the norm. and he is asking it of a court that has shown itself to be open, even enthusiastic, about expanding presidential power and in sowing what might be called strategic ambiguity about whether he would obey the courts, he may be nudging the court to do what it takes to avoid a constitutional showdown. or he might just be popping off. with us now, former senior adviser to president biden, ashley etienne, republican media consultant and strategist brad todd, and former federal prosecutor and bestselling author jeffrey toobin, his latest book, just out, is the pardon the politics of presidential mercy. i am three quarters of the way through. it

is fantastic. thank you sir. all right, mr. toobin, counselor, what do you make of president trump sharing this quote? maybe not from napoleon. >> well, i think you put it right when you said strategic ambiguity because he has said, as he said in the press conference with little x, musk running around, that he will follow court orders. but there has been a lot of talk, especially from elon musk. that's the thing that's actually the most threatening where he's talking, where musk has been tweeting, saying, you know, these judges are should be impeached. um, and and as you said, vance has been tweeting, uh, suggesting that they wouldn't follow court orders. i think the goal here is to say to the justices, look, do you want trouble or do you want no trouble? and no trouble would be go along with us so you don't force the kind of confrontation that we're, you know, hinting we might, may, might have. >> do you think this flirtation is a legal strategy? sorry. do you think the flirtation here.

>> oh, absolutely. absolutely. >> so. so, brad, let me ask you this. would republicans have been okay with president obama posting a quote or non quote from napoleon that talks about being beyond the law? or is it only okay when president trump does it? >> you know, john, i think we've been trolled here by by president trump and these these sometimes these things are designed to sort of spin people into the ceiling. but as you note, as jeffrey notes, the trump administration is going to court to make its case. it's not trampling over laws. it's actually going to court. and when it loses, it appeals. and now we have this case, the dellinger case that's come before the supreme court on whether or not the president can fire the head of an independent agency. that is a debate that has been going on for for decades. in fact, this office of special counsel, which was the one in question here, dellinger office when jimmy carter created it, his own lawyers thought it was unconstitutional, that the president couldn't remove this head. so this is not a new debate, and i think it's actually healthy that we're

getting to have this debate about something that's been in, in, in doubt for quite a while. >> so, so, ashley, you know, brad put it interesting in an interesting way that we're being trolled here. the democrats ran against donald trump as being a strong man, a threat as a strong man, a dictator. on day one, they used a quote that he had made. they ran against that and they lost. so how effective is it for democrats to sort of focus on this? >> well, i mean, i think this notion that donald trump isn't fulfilling his promise to be a dictator on day one is actually laughable. if you recall, in the first term, the goal and steve bannon and steve miller laid it out was to expand the power and the authority of the president. they believe that the president has absolute authority. and that's what we're seeing being tested from the purging of the fbi and all these agencies that would hold the president accountable to this systematic dismantling of government, to the testing of laws from tick

tock to others, you know, challenging the authority of congress. that's what's really at play here. and we should not toy around with the american people. now, whether or not it's effective, we'll find out. i mean, we we, you know, we we we try to hold donald trump accountable to his word in the last election. and the american people didn't believe us, but now they're seeing it with their own eyes. and you see his own his own supporters in states from kentucky to indiana and others that are balling out of their eyes asking, well, what about us, mr. president? while you try to amass all this power, what ever happened to your promise to lower costs? they did not vote for this, but this is the reality. this is always the test that donald trump was testing since he was first elected. so we shouldn't play games with the american people. trying to make it seem like this is about trolling, when really it's about amassing absolute power. >> and in taking the dellinger case to the supreme court, jeffrey, the office of the special counsel, this seems like a deliberate choice here. testing a deliberate thing here. i think we're talking about

humphrey's executor here. they're talking about a supreme court case from the 1930s that this court may overturn. >> right now, there are procedural issues with the dellinger case that might encourage the court simply to send it back and let it get, you know, developed further before they decided on the merits. however, president trump is on stronger legal ground in the dellinger case than he is on many of the others that are floating around at the moment. for just this reason, there has been a movement in the conservative world for a long time that any head of a department should be removable by the president, with or without cause. now the statute says it has to be with cause some sort of misconduct. but the conservative legal movement has said it doesn't matter. and there may be five votes on the court. and it's not just important for the office of special counsel, which is this obscure corner of the government, the national labor relations board, um, the securities and exchange commission, federal trade

commission, all these so-called independent agencies have officials that can't be removed by the president if the law changes, if trump wins this case, all those people could have their jobs at risk. >> there's actually a good precedent on that. there's actually precedent from 2020, the supreme court ruled that the the cfpb, the consumer finance protection bureau there set up was unconstitutional because it didn't it involved all the power in one person. the office of the special counsel is set up the exact same way. and again, this has been in dispute really, really since the dawn of the republic. you can go back and read the federalist papers, and they talked about how much authority should the president have to execute laws? could congress tamper with that? so this is really a long term constitutional debate, and it's appropriate to go to the supreme court. >> it shifted largely or most quickly, i would say, over the last few years. but it has been something that's been discussed for some time. jeffrey toobin, brad todd, ashley, thank you all so much. we have breaking news tonight from russia. the associated press reports that

authorities there have released 28 year old american caleb byers, who was detained earlier this month at the moscow airport after authorities said they found cannabis laced marmalade in his luggage. the release comes as talks are set to begin in saudi arabia between senior russian and american officials. the focus on a possible deal to end the war between russia and ukraine notably absent, though from this discussion, any representative from ukraine. cnn's chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance, joins us now live from riyadh. matthew, you spoke with a key person on the russian side. what did he tell you? >> yeah, that that that's right. john. look, i mean, the fact that 28 year old american citizen has been released so quickly in russia gives you an indication of how warm the relationship has become in such a rapid period of time. there are going to be historic talks between the united states and russia, starting here tomorrow, as a way of bringing to an end the war in ukraine. you've got

the u.s. delegates on one side, russians on the other, including this guy called kirill dmitriev, who's the head of the russian sovereign wealth fund. his big emphasis is economic cooperation, and i think it gives us an indication, the fact that he's included in the russian negotiating team about what the russians want out of this. they want those sanctions lifted. they want their economy boosted. take a listen to what kirill dmitriev told me earlier tonight. you've had a long standing relationship with members of the trump team in the first administration, and in this one as well. have you been meeting already with trump delegation members here in riyadh? >> well, yes, we had some meetings with trump team members, and all i can say is that they are great problem solvers. and i think president trump is a great problem solver. and also his team is a team of great problem solvers. >> what has that team promised you here? have you? have they given you an indication about what they're going to give you? >> no. i think the promise is let's have dialog. let's

figure out the best solution for our countries, for other countries, for the global community. >> reality, these talks may produce, jump back to you. >> there seems to be an attitude among the russia as a flatter gets you everywhere. uh, matthew, what is the goal the immediate goal for the kremlin in these talks. >> well, i think it's certainly true that three years ago, when russia invaded in its full scale way ukraine, it didn't think it was going to go this far. it's caused enormous damage to the country's economy. there's been enormous bloodshed and loss of

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the release of all the hostages as soon as possible. two of the many people hoping this latest ceasefire holds are audi and yael alexander. they are the parents of 21 year old aiden alexander, an israeli american soldier with the idf who was born in tel aviv. raised in new jersey. i spoke with aiden's parents, eyal and adi, earlier. this is part of our conversation. adnan is the last israeli american hostage in gaza thought to be alive. so what's your message to the trump administration tonight? >> just push forward for the second phase. i mean, eden is not enlisted for the first phase. we have to push forward for the second phase. maybe we have to extend the first phase, and we have to get them all out, not in a tips and drips like bunch of them out. i know it's been discussed for the this saturday release to get more hostages out, but that's the ultimate wish. >> and yeah, i believe you spoke in hostage square. you're in

tel aviv. you spoke there today. how confident are you that this ceasefire will last beyond march 1st? >> um, i really don't know how to answer this question. i'm just hoping that they they, like, continue with the ceasefire and release more hostages. like, there was, um, on the news today. they're going to release four, uh, bodies on thursday. and, uh, let's hope what's going on on saturday release. that's why i'm here. you know, i felt that i have to be here in israel on this time. and i think it's really important to be with everyone and also to speak at the hostage square. >> audie, again, it's been 500 days, and i think it's important to remind everyone of the people who are still being held captive. so can you just tell us about iran? what kind of what kind of person he is? >> he's a great all-american

kid. jersey jersey guy, you know, graduated from the high school. um, and it's it's a frustrating on a year, the gap year that he decided to take a year enlisted himself to idf and found himself on that, uh, terrible october morning at the gaza border. and here we are, 500 days after, uh, at least we're in the middle of the ceasefire, which is encouraging. >> what will you do when you see him again? >> just a huge hug. you know, so many questions to ask about this particular day on about what happened on october 7th, on that particular morning and, uh, just hoping for him to say back to us that it was okay after all. i'm okay. >> well, we all look forward to that moment when you can give him that hug. audie, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having us. >> so tonight, new and serious concerns about the health of pope francis. vatican officials

say the ailing 88 year old pontiff, who has been hospitalized in rome since friday, is suffering from a respiratory tract infection and that his course of treatment is being changed. the pope had part of one lung removed when he was a child suffering from pneumonia. he was taken to the hospital last week for what was believed to be bronchitis. but tonight that diagnosis has changed. cnn vatican correspondent christopher lam joins us from rome with more. christopher, what is the latest on the pope's condition? >> well, john, the vatican say the pope is without fever, that his condition is stable. but clearly he is dealing with a complex respiratory tract infection that is going to require a long hospital stay or a longer stay than was initially thought. the vatican also said that the pope has been doing some work reading texts, and we also know that the pope has been in touch with the catholic

parish in gaza that he regularly. calls, uh, but, um, we don't know how long the pope is going to be staying in hospital. that all depends on how he responds to the treatment, which has been modified on two occasions so far since he was hospitalized on friday. >> the pope has had some health challenges before, but based on what you're hearing from vatican officials, is this the most serious health challenge he's had since he assumed the papacy ascended in 2013? >> yes, i think it is, because in the past, his hospitalizations either for operations or when he was hospitalized for bronchitis in 2023, it was a shorter stay. um, the pope has also never been, um, diagnosed with this polymicrobial infection, which is a complex infection involving different factors, viral and

possibly bacterial. we don't know exactly from the vatican. they haven't made that clear. it's also serious because the pope is 88 years old, and he has for a number of days before his hospitalization, been struggling to speak. and and he has also had a couple of falls. his mobility is is very poor. he uses a wheelchair. so within the wider picture, this, um, hospitalization does certainly pose. i think the most serious health crisis or health challenge for the pope. >> you know, as fate would have it, you had an audience with the pope just last week. how did he seem to you? >> well, that's right, i saw him just before he was hospitalized. and it was clear then that he was really having difficulty speaking because of the breathing difficulties. he didn't seem to have the lung capacity to talk for long periods of time. he did,

however, seem very mentally alert. and i think that's what the vatican is trying to communicate through its statements that the pope is still alert mentally, but it's physically where the problems arise. for francis. >> all right. well, we will wait to hear more information from the vatican. christopher lam, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> all right. the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins starts now. >> good morning. it's tuesday, february 18th. rig o