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successful without ukraine? even at the table right now? we're going to go live to riyadh for the very latest there. plus flipped upside down, jaw dropping new videos show the moment a delta plane crashes in toronto. how the pilot and crews were able to get everyone off that plane. and later, stepping down the acting social security head is resigning after doge staffers tried to access sensitive information there. good morning. you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm pamela brown in washington. and we begin with high level talks between the u.s. and russia over the war in ukraine. secretary of state marco was sitting directly across from russian foreign minister sergey lavrov. the u.s. says the initial talks were aimed at laying the groundwork for ending the war, even though ukraine and its european allies were notably absent. a short time ago, u.s. and russian officials weighed in on the high
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stakes meeting and the path going forward. cnn's alex marquardt is in riyadh, and nick paton walsh has the view from kyiv, the capital of ukraine. nick, let's start with you. you have some strong new reaction from the ukrainian president. >> yeah. you mentioned there how ukraine was not party to these talks that increasingly, from the readout we've got seemed to be about the improvement of american and russian relations, notably the improving of diplomatic relations and embassies in washington and moscow. we've had our first reaction to this meeting, essentially about ukraine. we thought without ukraine being there, from ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy, who said in ankara, turkey, sort of hovering around the gulf area over the past few days, saying he would go to saudi arabia tomorrow. that, he said was a bilateral meeting not related to these talks. but i think many thought perhaps there was some suggestion in his mind, maybe he may end up involved somehow. well, that's now not going to happen. he has just announced that he will be canceling
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tomorrow's trip to saudi arabia, postponing it until the 10th of march. that's a long way down the line in diplomatic terms. he also says we want an end to the war. we want it to be fair and nothing that anyone decides behind our backs. i think that's fair. he goes on to say, we weren't invited to this russian american meeting. it was a surprise for many people. we got the information from the media. i don't really care who will stay in riyadh and who is leaving. i don't care if our partners think something unnecessary about us. determined, perhaps a little angry there, and certainly deciding that any fallout from this meeting, we do seem to get the impression that the americans and russians are not staying on for further talks doesn't involve ukraine at this point. zelenskyy will receive the american trump administration envoy to russia and ukraine, general keith, here, likely thursday or friday. but this is a stark reaction to talks, which do appear to have been essentially about improving the american russian
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relationship, possibly making a peace deal in ukraine. part of that wider deal than the focus of that main deal. and perhaps i think this reaction from the ukrainian president, a sign of how little progress perhaps they feel has been made to their benefit there, and really how isolated they've begun to feel over the past weeks. >> yeah, they clearly feel iced out. alex. so what is secretary rubio rubio saying about the meeting and any tangible outcome? >> well, pam, i think that the only tangible from this is essentially a lack of tangibles. i mean, it's clear that the discussions were wide ranging, but they're not walking away from riyadh with any kind of concrete solutions or conclusions about what's actually going to end up happening in ukraine. i think nick's point is absolutely right. both the u.s. and russia were approaching this, not just about the war in ukraine and how to end it, but looking at the broader set of relations across the board between the u.s. and
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russia, we do have a rather specific list from the state department of what was agreed to in terms of the conversations that will be going forward. at the top of that list is essentially reestablishing the general functioning of the two embassies in moscow and washington over the past three years. during this war, each embassy has been gutted with diplomats and intelligence officials who have been kicked out of each country. and then the second point was specifically about ukraine and naming high level teams to negotiate directly about the war in ukraine. we don't know who's actually going to be on those teams. and then the third point was more forward looking. and this gets to that broader conversation, that broader relationship between the two countries here. interestingly, you have the u.s. talking about the potential for historic economic and investment opportunities that would follow between the u.s. and russia after the war ends in ukraine. and then finally, that last point, just generally speaking, that the five principals who sat at the table today in this palace here in riyadh will
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continue to talk. but what was clear, pamela, is that the way that the u.s. viewed this is that this was talks about more talks. here's what secretary rubio had to say just a short time ago. >> but we have to understand that it's been three and a half years since there's been any sort of regularized contact between the united states and russia and in some cases between any of the participants in this conflict and russia. so the goal of today's meeting was to follow up on the phone call the president had a week ago and begin to establish those lines of communication. the work remains today as the first step of a long and difficult journey. >> and pamela, there had also been some thinking that this meeting would lead to a summit between president putin and trump, perhaps as early as next week. both the u.s. and russian sides making it sound like that is very unlikely. no date, we are told, has been set for that meeting. pamela. >> all right. nick paton walsh alex marquardt, thank you so much. let's continue this
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conversation. joining us now, our cnn global affairs analyst, kim dozier and former cnn moscow bureau chief jill dougherty. kim, what do you make of zelenskyy postponing his trip to saudi arabia? that seems like a significant and perhaps negative development in the overarching goal of reaching a peace deal. how do you read it? >> well, it's one way to send a message that he doesn't like how the white house has handled these opening talks with russia, that he doesn't feel like he's been looped in. and when you widen out to the european community, they all feel gut punched and slapped in the face that after years of close cooperation through the ramstein process under the biden administration, this time they didn't even get the courtesy of a heads up that, hey, president trump is going to follow through with his promise to try to make peace between ukraine and russia. with this phone call with vladimir putin that he had
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last week. and from there, we're going to see if we can have face to face, lower level talks. if anyone had gotten that heads up instead of the way this unfolded, with everyone hearing from trump out of the oval office about things, and then the bruising comments from a series of u.s. officials in brussels and munich, they feel very differently. so one of the only things zelenskyy can do is withdraw his presence and say, you're not going to bully us into this. >> and jill, the kremlin has framed the meeting as aimed at restoring u.s. russian relations. do you think putin is using this to regain relevance on the international stage, rather than actually achieving a peace deal with ukraine? >> well, i mean, they eventually will probably get around to trying to establish some type of peace deal, or at least a cease fire. but i think, you know, if you look directly at what the russian representative yury
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ushakov, who is a very experienced diplomat, was saying, you would have known right from the beginning that the primary thing that they wanted to do, the russians, was to to restore normal relations with the united states. and then ukraine is down in second place. i think it's really important. this is where it gets really complicated. the way the united states looks at it and it's being defined right now, is we've got to get back in communication. the previous administration, biden had no communication with the russians. ergo, we have to get back to talking. the russians look at this as not just talking. the mere fact that they are meeting. the mere fact that they are going to talk is hugely important for the kremlin, because it means russia is back on the stage. they're already talking about, you know, putting ambassadors back into the embassies, talking. et cetera. this is exactly what putin wants. the end of isolation and
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the beginning of bringing russia back and bringing putin back onto the world stage. that's what they want. and they are definitely getting it right now. >> and to follow up on that, moscow and trump himself have talked about meeting in person between trump and putin, potentially a summit between the two. president trump has said that could happen very soon. why is that so significant and more significant than a phone call? >> well, because summits are a big deal. i mean, really, you can just imagine president trump, president putin sitting down after all of this time, you know, a war. now, maybe bringing being brought to an end, uh, restoration of relations. this would be a very big event on the world stage. it would be something that president trump wants. definitely, because it's the it's i can't imagine a bigger photo op. and then
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president putin wants that because it would just kind of put the stamp on his being back. now, none of this is necessarily bad. you know, the countries eventually do have to get talking. but the problem is, as we're all looking at this, we're thinking it is negotiations, beginning of negotiations about ukraine. but really what it is, is about the united states and russia and then ukraine. and that's why zelenskyy is having problem. and that is why the europeans are having huge problems, because many of the things that the russians are saying and they're saying them very precisely, are the demands that vladimir putin had right before he invaded ukraine in 2022. and that's where they want they want to go back to that, which means no nato, no where. get nato out of europe. and
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that's extremely, extremely significant. >> it certainly is. jill kemp, thank you so much. joining us now, republican congressman tim burchett from tennessee. hi, congressman. thanks for coming on. so you were on the house foreign affairs committee. president zelenskyy says ukraine won't accept any deal made behind its back. you just saw he's postponing his trip to saudi arabia. now, clearly ukraine feels iced out. is it a mistake to not include ukraine in this meeting about ending the war in ukraine? >> no, ma'am. uh, the last three and a half years, no one has attempted to negotiate with russia. all they've done is is open up the american taxpayers to 200 billion plus dollars of investment. and i think the gravy train is about to end. that's the one thing the united states has is an incredible, brave and patriotic men and women who constantly go into battle and die for our country. but also we have an incredible economic might. and that's what
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i think president trump understands. and that gravy train is about to end. you know, under biden, they never even attempt to negotiate. all they did was, if you remember, as a presidential orders of sending more and more of america's money over there and then and of course, you had politicians on both sides of the aisle that were were frankly, getting getting rich off of it. they had investments in these things, the missile defense system that we sent to ukraine, we had to replenish ours, which we should um, but members of both parties happen to buy stock in that missile defense company. um, we made a big claim there. you know. >> this is getting rich. specifically, who is getting rich off of it? you're making the claim that they were doing. >> it to the public. are you going to? okay, it's public record. go on the wales website on on on x and you'll see, uh, you can you can break it down. it's all public record of who's doing that and who's who's gotten wealthy. um, it's, you know, when members of congress make two and 300%
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return. ma'am, something's going on, and america is fed up with this war. we don't need it. it's not our war. we shouldn't have been involved with it. it should have never happened in the beginning of that war. if you remember, though, america was on both sides with our gas contracts with russia. and then, of course, our involvement with ukraine early on, with our early investment of america's hard earned tax dollars. >> i want to read some analysis on the situation by cnn's stephen collins. and he writes, quote, trump's view of every geopolitical crisis as a real estate deal waiting to be clinched suggests he might embrace an agreement that lets putin keep all the land he stolen just to stop the killing. and there's a big risk he's being played by putin. a hurried peace deal that strengthens russia and weakens european security by validating putin's expansionism would likely sow the seeds for an even worse future war. do you think putin could be playing trump? >> no, ma'am. nobody's playing trump, ma'am. he. russia's gdp is somewhere between canada's
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and france is. they're not the world's superpower that they once were. and i'm not sure why all these people that are anxious for us to get in this war are not. why are they not looking at areas like china? in other words, i'll tell you why. because they're getting once again, they're getting fat off of off of chinese investment in our country. that's why they won't they take a blind eye to china and everywhere else in the world. this is one area where they see they can make some profit. that's all this is about the war. pimps at the pentagon are getting rich and fat, and we need to call it out. and this needs to end today. >> i want to talk about that. you mentioned china and the claim that that, you know, some members of congress aren't doing anything because they're making money off china. elon musk, for his part, as you know, does a lot of business with china, of course, tesla and so forth. and other companies. he does business there. and he now, um, as you know, has been given a lot of power by president trump. um, you are on the doge subcommittee, and the white
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house says in a court filing, elon musk is not overseeing doge. did you know that? >> president trump is overseeing doge? ma'am? um, that that's the bottom line. and everything that is being done has to be done through executive order. and that is through trump. and and oddly enough, congress better get some guts and start backing this up. or the next president could undo everything that's done. and that is really my biggest fear. i don't i don't care what title you give elon musk. it's amazing to me, though, that that all of a sudden capitalism and and making money in this country is now declared evil. the democrats, he was their guy for so long. now all they have is, is, is soros and a few others. so i think that that's that's why they're, they're disturbed about all this. >> right. but but you know, um, i think that there's a lot of americans who are supportive of this effort to clear out government waste, including
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members of congress on both sides of the aisle. but there's also concern by how much access musk and doge staffers have to their private, sensitive data. you're also on the house oversight committee, and given what we just talked about, musk's investments with china and billions of dollars before the government and now, you know, potentially having access to all this private sensitive data and not having full transparency on what is happening with that. what information do you actually have on what doge is doing with that data? what are your questions? what do you want to know? certainly, as a member of the oversight, you have some questions. >> well, first of all, elon musk, when he when he owned paypal, they never had a breach of security. irs is is is a nightmare, ma'am. you have uh, you have folks that haven't still haven't gone back to work 3 or 4 years after covid. um, as a united states congressman, i can write a letter of concern over a constituent of mine having a problem with the irs. and it takes up to six months for me to get a response. >> look, i'm not saying
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there's no problems with government agencies or. >> the irs. you ask me a question, you ask me a question. >> but you're not answering it. >> the irs has had well, the irs has hundreds of different groups that that have access to this stuff, and yet no one has complained about that. you don't hear there's. >> checks and balances in place for the specific system. that's not true. even the irs, even politicals and the former irs commissioner, who was just on the show yesterday, said even he didn't go to it. and it's highly unusual for political to have access to that system. do you not have questions about what they're doing with the data, why they want access to private tax information from americans? do you not have those questions? as a member of the oversight committee? >> i have questions. the only reason you have questions is, is if you're doing something crooked and you're going to see a lot of congressmen with red faces when they follow this paper trail back to members of congress, ma'am. and that's that's the bottom line. that's and the only where were they fussing the last 3 or 4 years? i mean, we've had these groups
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have different groups have have access, hundreds of different people have access to this that that are nowhere in the scope of what needs to be. and yet no one raised one peep about it. now elon musk gets a hold of it and he and he's going to do something. he's going to make some changes that need to be made. and you all are pitching a fit. it's the same old line, man. you attack the. message carrier. you all were. >> not pitching a fit a lot. as you said, a lot of people think it's a good thing to weed out waste, but there are fair questions to be asking, congressman, about these unelected people going in and having access to private information from america. how can you not be asking those questions? those are very fair questions. and but hold on, let me follow up with you. hold on. because there's a difference between listen. >> hey, hold on for a second. how many how many people at the irs are elected? how many of those are elected? ma'am, this is okay. you're you're proving my point. you've got all these people, and they're. this is a
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very porous agency. we know that. >> there's a difference. between civil service and checks and balances in place in a small group. and politicals who are going in, many of them young staffers who we know nothing about, really. um, and getting why but why? but why don't you have those questions? as a member of the oversight committee, if a democratic administration was doing this, would you not be asking questions? >> and the questions are being asked, ma'am, but i want you to look at these. >> i'm not hearing them from you. >> i know that. well, those those japanese, those are japanese rifles that guess what? my dad was 20, 21 years old when he killed the people that carried that. you all don't question the fact that, you know, these 20, 22 year old people, the ones that fight are dadgum wars, but yet. >> okay. >> there's a difference. >> between members of the greatest generation going to foreign service, risking their life to serve our country, and young staffers going in with their computers and trying to get access to personal data. there is a a big difference, but i want to follow up here. i just want to follow up because i think this is an important
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question. >> you won't answer your own questions, ma'am. no, congressman. >> hold on. i want to go to this question because again, it's it's not a question of whether they should be rooted out of the government. so many people agree with that. but now we're seeing it's the way it's being done. the government is trying to claw back several employees who oversaw nuclear weapons after they were fired. they realized, oh, we made a mistake. we need staffers who oversee nuclear weapons. a professor at the university of maryland, don kettl, who specializes in civil service, told the washington post that yes, the government is likely full of wasteful bloat, but said a clumsy fix is worse than no fix at all, saying it's like going to a meat market, getting a piece of steak and trying to cut out the fat with a sledgehammer that would only make a mess of the meat. do you think, congressman, that is a fair point, that the way this is being done is clumsy rather than methodical? >> again, you're upset about you're you're attacking the message here, not the results.
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you talk about nuclear, uh, secrets. you had a nuclear. a person who was in charge of nuclear secrets. a man who dressed up as a woman would go into the airport and steal women's luggage. was overseeing those nuclear secrets under the biden administration. and i never heard you say a peep about that again. ma'am. >> i don't know anything about that. i'll be transparent. >> elon musk. yeah, well, you need to look it up. he's he's a he's it's all over the internet. it's all over. he was on the. >> is this is unrelated to the people overseeing nuclear weapons being fired. and elon musk himself said we're moving so fast. of course there will be mistakes. the question is, you know, some of these mistakes are really high stakes firing, accidentally firing people overseeing nuclear weapons. do you see that point? >> humans will make mistakes, ma'am. but currently these are bloated programs. you have no show employees that are that are angry that they're having to go back to work, that they've moved and they're not. no one. >> is disagreeing. there's bloat and.
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>> waste and. >> no one is disagreeing. >> well, then why are y'all not exposing it? have y'all have y'all even talked about hey, mozambique. we sent them $10 million for circumcisions. i mean, goodness gracious, ma'am, americans are paying. >> we have. we've been covering. >> at length. >> where the money is. >> going to, and you all are. all y'all do is run down elon musk and donald trump, and you continuously do this. and that's why your ratings are in the tank. ma'am. you all right? >> congressman tim burchett we're going to leave. >> it there. >> i do appreciate your time coming on and having this conversation. thank you very much. coming up, passengers left upside down but alive after a plane crash in toronto. >> we kind of let ourselves go and fell to hit the ceiling, which is surreal feeling. um, and then everybody was just like, get out, get out, get out. we could smell like jet fuel. um, even now i smell like jet fuel. >> up next, i'll speak to two aviation experts as new video could give investigators clues into what went wrong.
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>> the plane flying from minneapolis had 80 people on board. let's get more analysis on this crash. joining us is steve wallace, a former director of the faa's office of accident investigation, and peter goelz, a cnn aviation analyst and former ntsb managing director. peter, i want to show everyone another video of the plane as it lands. we're going to put it up as we watch the video. it looks like the right wing touches the ground before the plane flips. what does that video tell you? >> well, both videos are quite revealing in that it shows the aircraft and steve can comment on this. this too. it shows the aircraft was not flaring as it was supposed to just before landing. and that may have been because it got caught by a large gust of wind. but it does look like it came down hard that the right landing gear possibly
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collapsed, and the right wing certainly, uh, touched down, uh, tore off and causing caused the plane to flip over. uh, the good news was that the fire was largely confined to the wing, which was left behind by the fuselage as it went down the the runway. but the videos are quite revealing and will be helpful to the investigation. >> you know, the the passengers who spoke afterwards said look, it was clear there was snow on the runway and it could be a dicey situation. um, obviously didn't expect this to happen. steven, what do you think? i mean, i know hindsight is 2020. should a plane not have landed on that runway? i mean, walk us through your thinking on this. >> well, sort of similar to the accident that happened in 2005 at the same airport. another miraculous accident. everybody survived. where the transportation safety board of canada, a highly competent authority that will definitely get this accident right, said,
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uh, attributed that accident to unfavorable weather conditions and poor landing decisions. so that will be a focus of this investigation. those two things i would add to what what peter said that the video shows very clearly in these two videos. we just saw this morning. it shows very clearly. first, the first video shows a hard impact and a fire initiating. and it does seem to be slightly right wing low. and, you know, you can grab into the wind or you can tip the wing down low or do a combination of both, which is what that looked like. but you see, the right wing fails, but the airplane is still going quite fast, and that left wing is generating a tremendous amount of lift. and so that immediately causes the airplane to roll inverted. that's quite clear from the video we just saw this morning. >> peter, you said if this crash had happened just 16 years ago, not everyone might have survived like in this case. what has changed? >> well, what's changed is that
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all commercial aircraft have seats that are locked in place on the tracks in as part of the fuselage that can withstand up to 16 gs of impact. that means that in a crash landing like this, if you're strapped in correctly, you're going to survive the impact and have a chance to escape. and when you combine that with advances in fire retardant material to inside the cabin to increase burn through rates of the skin, you really have a good chance to make it. if you follow directions. >> so, you know you have to wonder about these injuries and whether because these passengers had to
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>> from first of all, everybody's hanging upside down. most unusual. and this is of course, aircraft accidents never happened like they're supposed to you know, we do evacuation demonstrations with the airplane sitting right side up on its landing gear. >> then an accident like this happens and the airplane is on its roof. and and so i think that you would expect a certain number of injuries in hope that in a situation like this, i think they're unavoidable. you just hope that they are not life threatening. >> all right. steven wallace peter goelz, we certainly hope that everyone is okay. i know some passengers are in the hospital. we appreciate your insights. and happening now, the legal fight over the new policy involving transgender service members is before a judge. up next, i'll speak to a
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force you are and what your reaction was, what the impact has been for you when trump signed the order and your plans were paused? >> yeah, absolutely. um, i had already actually signed my contract. um, so i was supposed to ship out on march 4th. um, i had quit my job, and two days later got the call that i was put on hold. so it was less than 30 days before my ship date. um, so, yeah, the news was, uh, traumatizing to hear, because i have. i've been working really hard for this, and it's it's really set my family back, uh, on our plans that we had, we had kind of planned out. and this was kind of the basis for all of them. >> you're married? what? i read you have a child. um, you have applied to be part of an elite air force special warfare team that specializes in rescue missions. part of president trump's executive order says, quote, expressing a false gender identity divergent from an individual sex could not satisfy the rigorous standards necessary
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for military service. knowing what your program entails and what you already had to get through to get to the point where you were. what do you think when the president says transgender troops can't meet rigorous standards? >> right. yeah, it's it's definitely hard to hear. um, because i've, i've been working really hard to get to where i am. like i said, i train all the time, just like everybody else. and when i go out to my training events that i try to go to once a week, i'm usually i'm at the top of the standards. there's a lot of people that come in and and can't pass the fitness test that it takes to get, um, even a contract for a pair of rescue. and i've met and exceeded those multiple times. so, so to say that we aren't able to meet those standards is, is inaccurate. um, at the least. and yeah, i definitely we're all capable of being there. >> the battle over this issue seems to be influenced by who occupies the white house. just to remind our viewers. former president obama lifted a ban on transgender troops in 2016. the following year, trump announced
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a new ban. but district courts temporarily blocked it, saying that it violated the constitution. in 2019, the supreme court let it take effect, but did not rule on whether the ban was constitutional. but in 2021, then president biden rescinded trump's ban. now this. what do you make of this continued uncertainty? >> it's it's hard, hard to be living in, i guess. um, like i said, my family we've we've planned our, our life, uh, heading into the military. and i had that contract signed and i passed all the standards and been medically cleared, and and there's really no reason that that we shouldn't be able to go out there and serve just like everybody else. i always say that, you know, we're not we're not looking for a handout. we just want our equal chance to serve our country just like everybody else. and we're willing and capable to do so. >> so transgender troops have served openly for several years since biden revoked trump's previous ban. critics of transgender service members say that the medical treatments can
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interfere with their ability to deploy, arguing that, you know, even if you have a tooth issue or something like that, you can't deploy, let alone gender reassignment treatments. of course, everyone who is, um, you know, reassigning their gender or transitioning are in a different phase of that. um, what do you say to those critics who argue that? >> to that? um, i would say that, you know, the any kind of procedure that a trans person would go through is, is the same downtime for someone that that needs to have knee surgery. you know, i know a lot of active duty people that that have to have knee surgery or anything like that. or if a woman gets pregnant or something and needs that time off. uh, it's all it's all the same. um, and, and also a lot of trans people don't, don't want surgery, so there's nothing saying there's not a step by step for trans people to as far as medical treatment and stuff. so, so a lot of us don't want surgeries or have already had surgeries before coming in. and, and the downtime is, is the same as any
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happened that led to the commissioner stepping down? >> right. and just to give you a sense, more of a sense about michelle king, she is someone who has worked at the social security administration for several years and was named last month as acting commissioner. but she resigned on sunday. i'm told, after employees with the department of government efficiency were attempting to seek access to highly sensitive government records related to, of course, social security. just to give you a sense of how broad social security is, because we've heard about these concerns from others, right? this idea of department of government efficiency employees getting access to these very highly sensitive systems. just to give you a sense, like i said, about social security, it touches 72.5 million people, a 72.5 million people receive social security benefits. that includes retirees, disabled people and children. now, i think it's notable again that this comes after we've heard a lot of skepticism and criticism from all corners of washington,
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from capitol hill to the courts, about whether or not doge has the authority, if these different employees have the authority to access these highly sensitive systems. we were just speaking yesterday, pamela, about concerns around doge employee getting access and seeking access to the irs. highly sensitive taxpayer system. so this isn't the first time, of course, we've seen something like this. i do want to read you just part of the statement from white house spokesperson harrison fields. he told me, quote, president trump is committed to appointing the best and most qualified individuals who are dedicated to working on behalf of the american people, not to appease the bureaucracy that has failed them for far too long now. pamela michelle king's departure also comes as we know that social security has increasingly become a political flashpoint in recent years. it was a key issue during the 2024 election. president donald trump has said that he plans to protect social security. however, he has offered so far very few details about how he would solve for
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