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question is whether they can end the war against ukraine without giving vladimir putin everything he wants. plus, we are standing by for a news conference in toronto about yesterday's plane crash, that jet flipping over. miraculously, no one was killed. but the question now here in washington is whether president trump and elon musk could think twice about the cuts they've already ordered at the faa. and yet another day of upheaval for the justice department. a top prosecutor in the d.c. u.s. attorney's office is out. and cnn has brand new reporting on how she resigned after being told to investigate the biden administration. i'm dana bash. let's go behind the headlines and inside politics. there's no deal. but the fact that they held talks at all is a big deal. secretary of state mark marco

rubio was in saudi arabia today to meet with russian foreign minister. three years, almost to the day since vladimir putin launched his unprovoked invasion of his neighbor, ukraine president trump has been crystal clear that he wants this war to end. even if ukraine has to make major concessions to end it. so what happens now? that is still very unclear, especially since the ukrainians weren't invited to today's summit. but the americans and the russians presented optimistic takes. >> the goal of today's meeting was. >> to follow. >> up on the. phone call the. >> president had. >> a week ago, and. begin to. establish those lines of communication. the work remains. >> today is the first step. >> of a long. >> and difficult journey. >> the meeting was very useful. we didn't just listen to each other. we heard each other. and i think the american side certainly started to understand our side of the argument.

>> get straight to cnn's alex marquardt, who is in saudi arabia. alex, what are you hearing from your sources about what happened in that room? >> well. >> essentially today, the agreement was to keep the conversation going to to keep having talks. this was to get. the the discussions between the russians and the americans unstuck after the relationship had been frozen for the past few years. they wanted to start talking about ukraine and other issues. there were no. concrete decisions. nothing was decided about ukraine that they are walking away with. this is the beginning, as rubio just said, of a process the state department laid out essentially four broad subjects that they agreed to. the first was to reestablish firmer diplomatic ties through the embassies, both embassies in washington and moscow essentially have been gutted for the past three years because diplomats and intelligence officials have been kicked out. and then specifically to ukraine. both sides said that they would name high level officials to negotiate about ukraine. and

then looking past ukraine. this is really interesting. they said that once the war in ukraine ends, that they should work towards cooperation on geopolitical issues and what they call historic economic and investment opportunities. and then just more broadly, the five men at the table, they're agreeing to continue talking as they did today here in riyadh. now, we did hear an angry president zelenskyy earlier today. he has canceled a trip now to saudi arabia. he did not want to give the appearance of coming here to continue negotiations. he says that there are no negotiations unless ukraine is involved. there's been a lot of discussion about why the ukrainians aren't at the table, why the europeans aren't at the table. the national security advisor, mike waltz, addressed this issue of the u.s. not talking to its friends. take a listen. >> we are absolutely talking to both sides. >> the secretary of state just met with president zelenskyy days ago, along with the vice

president. >> seven cabinet. >> members in europe. >> at the same time, really showing the importance of of engaging our allies. i think we'll the facts will continue to push. >> back on this notion that our. allies haven't been. >> consulted. >> so walt's. >> also pointing out that the president spoke with the french president yesterday, and the british prime minister is in town next week. so they are discussing all of this with the allies on a daily basis. there was a big question about when president trump and putin might meet. there was some speculation it might happen as early as next week right here in saudi arabia. dana, we are told by both sides that is very unlikely and that a date has not been set. dana. >> thank you so much for that reporting, alex. appreciate it. here at the table we have a terrific group of reporters. nia-malika henderson of cnn and bloomberg. eli stokols of politico. and olivia beavers from the wall street journal. hello, everybody. eli, you cover the white house and more broadly, foreign affairs for

your publication. and i know you've been talking to some of your sources about really what's going on and what's driving this behind the scenes. >> i think. >> they say take the president at his word when he says he really wants to end this war. i think why europe and people in kyiv are pushing the panic button right now is because he wants to end the war. it seems like no matter what, without regard for. president trump, without regard for the consequences of a deal that brings russia back into the mainstream diplomatically. i mean, he is talking about i mean, russia's getting this meeting with him. they're getting putin got the phone call with him, and they have done nothing. they have changed. they are doing this as they are bombarding kyiv hour by hour. and so there are a lot of people who sit there and see the president eager to normalize relations with russia, eager to talk to the bigger country and kind of sidelining the smaller country. even his, you know, initial ask the pitch for an economic deal with ukraine. you know, president zelenskyy looked at that and said, this looks

colonial. this looks like paying the u.s. reparations for aid that has already been given to them. >> what you're. >> talking about, necessarily, including security guarantees. the treasury secretary, scott bessent, went to kyiv and met with zelenskyy last week and presented a proposal from the president. and this was a proposal for economic cooperation. trump you've heard him talk about rare earths. we got to have the rare earths. well, ukraine does have these rare earth mineral deposits that are very valuable in making semiconductors and all kinds of technological products. and trump has gotten interested in ukraine because of that. zelenskyy trying to kind of, you know, come up with something that will keep trump and the u.s. in the fold has said, you've given us a lot of aid. you deserve to have access to our rare earths. but the deal that the white house initially presented zelenskyy was so one sided, it was really shocking to people in ukraine because it struck them as sort of like similar to the versailles deal that germany cut after world war i, and the amount of reparations that that germans had to pay. it

did not look like something that was about protecting ukraine going forward after the war. >> and for those not that familiar with global history as they should be, that didn't go well for the world. no, because we ended up with adolf hitler and and a whole other world war. i just want to read the take of of our friend stephen collinson, because he said the following. trump wants a deal just along the lines of what you're saying, eli, perhaps any deal. quote, the war often seems a distraction from what trump really wants the chance to sit down with putin, one of the global strong men he admires. so that's kind of another layer of what eli is talking about, which is not just a deal to sort of get the goods inside ukraine, but also to appear a deal maker, maybe even, you know, he's we know that he is not somebody who would say no to a nobel peace prize. there's no question that that's part of what's in his

mind. that's why wouldn't it be? >> yeah. and to stand shoulder to shoulder with a strong man. i mean, this. >> idea. >> it kind of, uh, evokes images of, uh, the, you know, last century's right where colonialism was the rule of the day. imperialism was the rule of the day, and the stronger nations were essentially carving up the world in taking and extracting our resources as they saw fit. i mean, that is what trump's idea of being a president is. if you harken back to his inaugural, he talked about this, the whole idea of manifest destiny. one of his favorite presidents is william mckinley. he favored tariffs, but he also expanded the territory. is what donald trump talked about in his inaugural. this idea of expanding territories, why he's talking about canada, it's why he's talking about greenland and the panama canal. and so this is part of it. and obviously, america was part of building this post world war two, uh. world, uh, where this idea that

stronger nations can just pick on weaker nations, uh, is not something that the united states, certainly wants, uh, or certainly modeled that behavior. and so this is a real break in the world order. >> treaty of versailles. uh, president mckinley, we've got some deep cuts on history today, and i'm loving it. i want to bring you in, olivia, but i do want to play some bits of what we heard from mike waltz. the president's national security advisor, and marco rubio earlier today in saudi arabia. >> president trump. >> has shifted the entire global conversation from not if the war is going to end, but just how it's going to end. and only president trump can do that is. >> the. >> only leader. >> in the. world who can make this happen, who can even bring people together to begin to talk about it in. >> a serious way? >> is president trump. president trump is the only one that can do it. he's the only leader in the world that could have started a process that we saw here today. >> back to that audience of one.

>> yes. and i mean. >> it's a tough theory. >> or thesis. to prove or disprove, but. >> with president. >> trump. >> he is a pretty. transactional person. and i've been talking to republicans who want aid. >> to. >> ukraine to keep. >> coming from the u.s., and there are a dwindling group, but some of them were telling me that they hope that trump is actually trying to find a way with the base, which is doing the 50% rare minerals deal, or some sort of where he gets something back. and one of them also told me that while trump might be afraid to change with his base because he has been hitting it on the campaign trail for as long as i think all of us can remember since the war started, he told me that he one republican member told me that he did polling in his district, and if he voted for raising taxes, the numbers of popularity were way lower. but if donald trump said he wanted to raise taxes, the support group because the base believes at least the conservative base believes that trump is doing the right thing for them. so they'll take it.

and he was using that to explain ukraine. if trump decides he wants to do a deal with ukraine, then they'll probably a group of them will get behind it. >> and we need to go to break. but as we go to break, i just want to play something that i hope didn't get lost from christiane amanpour. my colleague here and the ukrainian president over the weekend where it looked like zelenskyy was trying to make clear he understands the trump psyche as well. >> did you tell us, was reported president trump, that putin is only doing this and agreeing to. talks because he's afraid of trump? did you tell him that? >> yes. >> i told. >> trump. >> that putin afraid of him. yes. >> and he heard. >> me. >> and now.

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now. >> any minute now. toronto airport officials will hold a briefing. this comes after terrifying new video shows the moment a delta plane crashes on the runway at the toronto airport on monday. you can see there the plane is engulfed in flames before it rolls onto its side, and eventually comes to a stop upside down. remarkably, all 80 people on board survived. 21 passengers were injured. >> drop it. come on. taking the beach. don't know. >> what you're looking at. there is what one passenger filmed as they escaped, crouching through that emergency exit door onto the snowy runway. cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean is here to try to make sense of what happened. pete. >> dana, the good news and let's start with that. of those 21 injured, according to delta airlines, with their latest update, 19 of them have been released from toronto area hospitals, meaning all but two remain in the hospital now. the

big thing now is the video, which is so telling and so revealing, and this will be key to investigators. let's punch it back up because you can watch the approach here of delta 4819 as it's coming in to land on runway 23 at toronto pearson international airport. the approach looks relatively stable until the touchdown when the right wing shears off almost right away and the fuselage tumbles there across the runway and off to the right. what is really telling here is the impact and what you see and what you do not see. the flight tracking data shows that this plane was on a relatively stable descent, pretty normal, about 800ft a minute until this moment. this is the point where the right main landing gear, at least from what i can see in the video, touched the runway first with a lot of force, which caused the right wing to shear off and then the airplane to essentially turn into a fireball as it tumbles down the runway here. what we do not see is what is called a roundout and flare

that takes the airplane from the descending portion of the approach. and you'll have to excuse my model here. this is a 727, not a crj. like what was in this crash, but from the descending portion of the approach to the flare and cushioning the descent and stopping the sink rate, usually that causes a change in attitude of the nose. pilots pick up the nose to stop the sink and really kiss the runway. is the goal. usually do that at about 20 to 30ft above ground level. essentially, this airplane stayed in the same attitude all the way to the ground with a pretty big impact. and that is what investigators will really look at. why is the big question? and there are so many factors here. airplane pilot and environment are what the investigators of the transport safety board and canada will look at. and really the environment is the big one. we know that the wind was pretty strong at the time, gusting to about 40mph. a quartering crosswind coming out of the right side. did that cause any wind shear? did that cause any

sudden sinking of the airplane? was the wind there and was it suddenly not there? and we also know there was blowing snow across the runway. did that impact the pilots ability to see the runway and really calculate? and it takes a coordinated mach two eyeball to figure out when exactly to flare. were they able to. were they able to see the runway? were they not able to see the runway? a lot of big questions now as this investigation is only in its very beginning stages. >> and then the obvious question, i just want to remind our viewers, i'm sure they don't need a lot of reminding. there have been now a series of deadly aviation accidents or accidents in north america. just in the past month. we're showing some of them on the screen. what everybody is asking you, probably everywhere you go, including the hallways here. pete. is it safe to fly? >> you know, i would say yes. you have about a one and 11 million chance, even considering the crashes of late, of dying on a commercial airliner in the united states. i actually think that estimate is a bit overblown. it's probably even

better than that. you have a better chance of being struck and killed by lightning. the big thing here is that we're talking about a crash where everybody pretty much walked away. when only 20 days ago, 67 people were killed in the midair collision over the potomac, the worst air disaster in the u.s. since 2009. there is no real common thread here among these crashes, although there is a bit of coincidence in that these are happening so frequently. why now? and the warning signs were there with the potomac crash. we've covered near-miss after near-miss of mid-air collisions on or near the runway at commercial airports. this may be something where extreme weather may become a factor, and we know that the winds were a big thing. a big low pressure system moved through. it was very windy up and down the east coast, causing a lot of flight diversions. that may be more of a threat as climate change sets in. more and more. >> pete thank you. we're extremely lucky to have you with us. explain everything to us.

talk to you soon. i'm back here with our fantastic panel. let's broaden it out a little bit to talk about what is going on here in washington. as he said, there is no thread, uh, between all of those except the obvious, which is that planes are crashing, which is frightening. but this is happening against the backdrop of massive cuts across the federal government, including at the faa. i'm just going to put some up on the screen. hundreds of faa employees have been laid off as part of elon musk going through all the federal agencies. and then beyond the faa, we have 10% of the cdc workforce, 3400 at the u.s. forest service, 2200 and the interior department 2000 at the department of energy, 1000 at the va. >> yeah. listen. and so far, at least, if you kind of look at how americans, trump voters in particular are reacting so far,

this is something that they haven't really been affected by. you do hear from some gop senators who are in some of these states where they're, you know, public parks, for instance, for instance, raising some alarms. but so far, these cuts, because they are directed at federal workers who the right has been expert at demonizing, uh, as, uh, as lazy as working from home, as costing too much, uh, because they have been demonized. uh, a lot of americans say too bad, so sad, uh, that they're that they're being axed. we'll see how long that lasts. we'll see if there is any trickle down effect for average americans. >> i just want to read what chuck schumer, the top democrat in the senate, said. i'm thankful that everyone in the flight incident in toronto that took off from minneapolis is safe. but we keep seeing these incidents day after day. meanwhile, trump's doing massive layoffs at the faa, including safety specialists, and making our skies less and less safe. democrats are fighting to protect the flying

public. >> it sounds like we're going to have democrats very quickly blaming if there's anything with, um, investigations pointing that, uh, the president's cuts, the doge cuts led to the faa having problems with flights, but it's going to be broader than that. i think within the usda, there were 25% cuts in the office that works on studying animal borne illnesses like the avian bird flu. and so you're going to probably see this become the battle cry of democrats. and some democratic members have told me that they have been getting calls off the hook from their voters, who say that they are so freaked out that this man who wasn't elected. elon musk is going into the government accessing classified information. and, um, making these cuts. republicans, on the other hand, especially in the house, i've heard very few, especially with centrist republicans expressing concerns. some are saying that while there are some good programs that are being impacted, they will call the white house and the white

house will fix it. >> republicans like the trump white house, they like how this is going. there's almost a sense, like we're baiting democrats into going out and having protests, defending bigger government. i mean, they think the politics in the main, you know, are favoring them. but i think that, i mean, and i have talked to a couple very senior democrats who have said privately, look, could the department of education be be shrunk down? has there been some some bureaucracy creep over the years? yes. but it's the way that they're going about doing it and it's empowering. elon musk and a bunch of 20 something tech bros to go in and sort of before they even know what's what, just slashing systems. it's when that is the story on one hand. and then there are other things playing out. you go to the store, there's no eggs in the in the, in the fridge. um, you know, you see planes crashing left and right. you hear about a bird flu and you hear, on the other hand, about scientists being fired at nih. you know, at some point people may connect the dots and they may come to blame. this administration, this government, if they have just bulldozed their way through government, taken out a lot of expertise because people don't really know what government does or is until

it's doing something for them or until it's not there. >> speaking of that, let's go now to toronto. airport officials are giving a briefing on that plane crash. >> no loss. of life or life. >> threatening injuries in. >> yesterday's accident. >> you know, every time. >> you. >> board a flight, you are greeted by flight attendants and by flight crew. >> often it's. >> their job. >> to. >> make us comfortable and confident about the flight ahead. >> and they. >> do an incredible job with that. but we saw the most important role that they play in action yesterday. the crew of delta flight 48, 19, heroically led passengers to safety, evacuating a jet that had overturned on the runway on landing. that was amidst smoke and fire. i thank each and every one of these heroes. every flight attendant and crew member on delta flight 4819. i also thank every flight attendant and crew member across the industry. thank you for all that you do

every day and every night in service of safe air travel. in regards to the accident, yesterday at approximately 2:15 p.m., delta air lines flight 4818 from minneapolis to toronto, operated by subsidiary endeavor air, was involved in a single aircraft accident. upon landing at toronto pearson. the plane was carrying four crew and 76 passengers. among them 22 canadians. flight attendants, flight crews and airport emergency workers and responders mounted a text book response, reaching the site within minutes and quickly evacuating the passengers. at the time, there were 21 injured passengers, ranging from minor minor to critical but not life threatening injuries. a total of 19 passengers went to the hospital. local hospitals, with two more going to hospitals in the time period after. at this

time, delta air lines has reported that 19 of those passengers have been released and two remain hospitalized. our thoughts go out to all of the passengers impacted and their families. we have taken great time and care to extend care to each of the passengers that were here after the accident. that includes comfort as well as support in their emotional well-being. in the hours since the crash. we have completed the reunification process for all of the remaining passengers and will continue to care for them during this extended time. i will now give you more information about the operations at pearson yesterday, and what to expect in the days ahead. from last thursday to sunday. toronto pearson saw extreme conditions. two separate snow storms. on thursday and sunday we got more than 20in. 50cm of accumulated snow. that is

actually not typical. in fact, it is more snow within that time window than we received in all of last winter. there were many delays and cancellations across this part of canada and the u.s. northeast during this time, creating numerous flight delays and backlogs at toronto pearson. 221 of 974 scheduled flights were canceled on thursday. 75 of 1012 flights scheduled flights were canceled on friday. 128 of 937 scheduled flights were canceled on saturday, and 371 of 987 scheduled flights were canceled on sunday. monday was a clear day, though, and it was an operational recovery day for toronto pearson, with 1006 scheduled flights. the results yesterday, in due part to the accident, were 462 scheduled

flights canceled and 544 flights operated. let's now talk about the investigation and what to expect in the next few days as we pivot to this phase. last night, seven members of the transportation safety board of canada arrived at toronto pearson to begin the investigation. 13 more of those investigators arrived today. members of the u.s. federal aviation administration are also here on site participating in the investigation, as it is a mitsubishi aircraft. mitsubishi will be here on site as well, and delta airlines has sent their go team, who are already here on site. so what does this all mean for operations at toronto pearson today and in the days ahead? our emergency operations center does remain open though. operations on the runways resumed at 5 p.m. eastern time yesterday. we have been in recovery mode since resuming flights at 5 p.m.

yesterday, catching up on delayed flights, and that continues into today as well. we are currently without use of our longest east west and north south runways. this and ongoing expected additional weather conditions today will affect how fast we recover operations, particularly with departure of aircraft. we do expect that the investigators on site will be reviewing the aircraft on its current configuration on the runway for the next 48 hours, and we are looking to get to support that investigation and the removal of that aircraft off the runway, at which point we can do our inspections and then return that runway into service. toronto pearson will continue to provide you all with operational updates, but this is now an active investigation time, and you can expect to start hearing more from the investigating

authorities about the accident that happened here. we expect that the transportation safety board of canada will be issuing a statement with more information around that later this afternoon. in closing, i thank the industry, the community and all of our employees here and across the sector for all the work that they are doing to support this incident and those affected, and that they do every day. air travel remains the safest form of transportation. we are proud of that record here. and at times like these, we're very grateful and thankful of how the community and the industry comes together as one. thank you. >> we'll now take a few questions. folks who maybe can come up to the mics if possible, or if there's a mic in the audience. okay. >> sure. hi there, alex caprariello with newsnation. a

question about the conditions yesterday. obviously, you just explained the extent of the snowstorms that came over the past few days. wondering if there has been any developments or any comment about what exactly it was like on the runway in terms of iciness or wind gusts? last night we heard the fire chief say that he did not believe that that played a role in this crash at all. is that still the theory here, and if so, do we have any developments on what caused the crash if it wasn't weather related? >> okay. >> yeah. this this would not be a time for us to have theory or to speculate on what caused the crash. so as i shared, you know, we have a number of agencies that are here that are responsible for doing a thorough and full and complete investigation to determine all the causal factors. and we are looking forward to getting those results and to sharing those. and those will be shared very publicly once they are received. >> and i understand that if you don't want to speculate about the crash, but can you tell us then what the condition of the runway was like at that time of

the of the impact? i mean, was it slick? have your teams been able to determine that? >> i look forward to sharing all of that information at the proper time. again, that is all. those are all the details that are going to be covered during this investigation. and that is active currently. >> there veoci from. >> the. new york times. >> i have one question and a follow up. >> does air. >> traffic control handle crts differently than other aircraft in crosswinds? >> the air traffic control is responsible nav canada, for all of the aircraft activity here at toronto, pearson and in the surrounding areas. they will have to respond differently themselves as to how they manage those aircraft uniquely. >> how do. >> you decide to pause operations. >> because of wind? >> and who makes that decision? >> that is a collective decision that is made between nav canada, uh and the pilots during live operations. we are not pausing operations. we do have a slowdown in the operations due to, uh, two of our runways being

closed for operations at this time. and those are the key contributing factors to the delays. >> last question. >> there's no delta or. >> tsb representatives on the stage with you right now. are you able to speak to why they're not present? >> we've been very much in communicative communication with all of those involved, all of the agencies, delta airlines and others. we've all had quite extensive communication. they've been in our eoc, our emergency operations center. so the system and the response to the accident is working as planned and going quite well with our partners. >> john wada with. >> the associated press. um, two questions. >> one is the two people who remain. in the hospital. any timeline on how long they may remain? >> i do not have that information. >> are they? do you know what condition they're in? >> uh, what we do know is that, again, 19 of those that were hospitalized are no longer hospitalized. the two that remain none face life threatening injuries. from what we have been briefed and what delta airlines has released as

well. >> and just finally, deborah, um, given what we saw from all the videos that are on social media, and i'm sure what you've seen internally, how is it more remarkable that everyone was able to you, that everyone was able to, you know, survive this incident? >> there are so many factors that lead us to have gratitude today. again, i cannot commend enough the the crew, the flight attendants, pilots and our emergency responders for their quick and effective response. it's really, really incredible. and when you see that aircraft, it just makes you really thankful for all the safety checks that go into running this, uh, one of the world's safest, uh, air transportation systems. thank you. >> yeah. >> okay. we'll take questions now from the first for the first responders, please. >> good morning. >> momen qureshi from six. >> news radio. >> my question really is. >> um. >> last check, the wreckage was still out there on the runway.

>> i just. >> wanted to know if you know how long that will be out there and what kind of impact that's having on, uh, service here at the airport. yeah, yeah. >> so, as i shared, yes, that the remains of the aircraft will remain on the runway while the investigators are performing, uh, their reviews. uh, we expect that that could be about 48 hours. uh, and so until that time, two of our runways will remain closed. and that is affecting the volume of traffic that we're having. so passengers should be looking and working with their airlines, checking our website for information on delays and cancellations as well for the next several days. >> just as a follow up to that, then, i've been upstairs, as many of us have, talking to passengers and many of them, most of them, all of them really are understanding of the ripple effect, but are extremely frustrated by the lack of information or conflicting information. so just what do you say to your passengers right now who are trying to get themselves on flights to their destinations, but are left feeling frustrated by conflicting information or a lack of information? >> we are we are here very much

at the airport to support and provide passenger care for people that might find themselves here at their airport and have their flights disrupted. so we'll continue to provide that customer care for them. but in the interim, please do check with your airlines, check your website and check your apps for your most updated flight information. >> thank you. we'll move now to questions to the responders. thank you. >> yeah, sure. >> it's shawna with city news. can you. >> talk a little. >> bit. >> um, about. >> the response. >> how long it took fire trucks. >> to. get to the plane? >> and can you talk a little bit about. the flame that we saw in the video and the smoke and, you know, was it easy to put out and just really take us through the response? >> all right, todd. >> thank you for the. >> question. >> the the. >> actual time. >> it was a very quick. >> response from. >> toronto pearson fire emergency services. upon arrival, the crew did witness spot fires. they were able to quickly knock. down the spot

fires using the aircraft rescue, firefighting apparatus. once the fires were knocked down, the crews did make entry and performed primary search and rescue. the passengers were all evacuated and then they were taken to a secondary location at station two for triage with our mutual aid partners. >> just a quick follow up. um, can you describe what it was like because we've seen videos of the passengers hanging upside down in their seatbelts. can you maybe just describe what it was like to get these people, you know, hanging, cut down and out of the out of the plane? >> i believe that most of the passengers. self-evacuated at that time, and upon arrival, they were being escorted to a second location. >> hello, nate. foie fox news. >> um.

>> i'm just seeking some clarity from a first responders perspective on the elements and how they played a role in your efforts yesterday. i know a lot of people are hoping for some clarity on what the fire chief said, and it sounds like you guys won't give us that. but can you tell me what it was like out there on the runway as you were doing your job? was the runway dry and the wind gusts? how did it impact you? >> and like, we met at very early to make any conclusions. i know i provided a little bit of information yesterday for transparency today. now we have an active investigation. therefore, any of those questions would have to be directed toward transportation safety board. >> thanks, todd. hi there. karen lieberman with global news. besides the chief, i just wondered if any of the other first responders can speak to their own experiences and what you found and how you cared for

some of these passengers. >> sure. >> mark. >> thank you for the question. mark andrews, deputy chief with peel regional police. um. i'd like to before i answer the question, i'd like to say that our thoughts and prayers are with the 76 crew members and four passengers and their families that were impacted by yesterday's events, which fortunately had the best possible outcome for all of us. um, our response is, as peel regional police. um, we're the police of jurisdiction. um, we have a really robust presence here at the airport. we actually have a fully functioning division with 100 officers and civilians located. we have a presence on the public side and the private side. so we were able to respond in a, you know, very timely fashion, along with our, uh, first responder partners. um, the conditions

were difficult, but i will say this that we regularly practice with our partners in fire and ems and the gt and transport safety canada. so we were prepared for this event as as extreme as it was. and our men and women, not only in policing but across all the first responder services, did a tremendous job. um, and in my, my mind and no doubt saved lives. so i'd like to acknowledge that there was some impact. um, you know, on the police of jurisdiction being ourselves, not only here at the airport because as you can imagine, we don't have surge capacity to deal with something like this. uh, the way they do in the private industry. so, you know, we had at one point we had 50 police officers responding to the circumstances here at the airport and the surrounding environment. um, what i'd like to do is thank our partners at

the opp, commissioner tom creek, and. chief marion demkiw, because they supported us through the aftermath of the incident by sending officers, officers to support both of our public divisions 11 and 12 division in mississauga. you know, all in all, it was a great response by first responders, uh, supporting gt and our tsb partners. but it's something that we've practiced and we're well prepared for should this happen again going forward. >> mississauga fire and communications services received. >> the 911 call. >> it's called a. >> crash alarm. >> so we get it directly. >> from pearson. >> into our communications center. >> so we. >> had. a very quick response. >> we had six apparatus. >> from mississauga fire respond. it was a combination. of aerials, engines. and squads.

in addition, we sent our command vehicle and also a tanker. we also had an acting platoon chief, a district chief and myself that attended the scene. i took a position within their emergency operations center. um, just to reiterate what, deputy? um, just said, annually, our firefighters participate in joint training with pearson fire at a location called festy. it's a training facility. our primary response is to assist with water supply, search and rescue, rehab and medical support. the mississauga fire and emergency services and mississauga office of emergency management participates in two annual emergency exercises that are held at toronto pearson international airport each year, including a high level table, top command exercise and a full

scale boots on the ground emergency exercise. in addition to the exercises conducted each year at toronto pearson international airport, the city of mississauga conducts its own functional emergency exercise. and we did that in 2021. examining an aircraft accident occurring within the city of mississauga. this exercise included partners from various organizations, including those represented in the exercises held here regularly at pearson. the mississauga fire and emergency services and oem provides emergency management training to regional partners from various organizations who may be involved in the response to an aircraft accident. amongst other. emergencies. the mississauga office of emergency management can also serve as a conduit between the city and the

provincial emergency operations center. if provincial wide coordination for the response and recovery of community impacts during an emergency is required during an aircraft accident. the mississauga office of emergency management can assist in the coordination of providing municipal services if requested by our community partners, who may be impacted in the event. this could include transportation like busses, facilities or heavy equipment. the city of mississauga has developed its own aircraft accident emergency plan, which conforms with and operates in conjunction to the airport emergency plan developed by the greater toronto airport authority. >> thanks. that was a fulsome response. >> i just also wondered if anyone can speak to the nature of some of the injuries. >> um, do you want to speak to

some of the nature? >> good afternoon. >> my name is. >> corey tkachuk. i'm a commander of operations within peel regional paramedic services. so upon our arrival of the crash site, uh, our staff were faced with a multitude of different injuries, mainly stemming from back sprains, head injuries. um, anxiety, some headaches, nausea and vomiting due to the fuel exposure. um, so those were the the common sort of injuries that we had come across. sir. >> any more questions, please? >> canadian press? >> um, just want. >> to follow up on this rescue effort. can you please provide some details on the timeline? how how long did you i mean, paramedics, paramedics and firefighters did it take for them to get to the airplane? and how long did it take for them to

evacuate the airplane? >> okay, todd, you want to take that? >> yeah. the response from toronto pearson fire emergency services was minutes. um, because there is an active investigation, we won't be able to provide the the details, but it was a very quick response from farmers services as well as our response partners that just spoke. >> can you please also comment on the role that flight attendants played in evacuating the airplane? we saw some videos on social media where basically doing their job, helping passengers get off the plane. can you please comment on their role in this? >> sure, absolutely. we, uh, we train for such events. we're very well prepared and trained. and the firefighters responded. textbook. they were able to knock down the fire. they were able to assist the passengers getting off the plane and then performing triage and then response to the hospitals. >> thank you. next question.

>> hi, i'm alex miller with scripps news. um, i know you can't confirm what. >> you. >> saw on the runway, but can you confirm that the runway had been coded as fives across the board as a wet runway? um, for the for the pilots, which is a runway with light snow or slush. >> i followed that question. do you know the answer, or do you want to repeat it? did you get it? >> yeah. like i mentioned earlier, because there is an active investigation that will have to be directed towards the transportation safety board. please. >> hi. >> jessica murphy, bbc news. i want to go back to something mr. andrews said you talked about difficult conditions that rescuers faced on the ground. i'm hoping you can go into a bit more detail. >> sorry. with who said sorry? >> bbc. >> oh, no. >> sorry. >> you peel regional police. >> peel regional police. >> come on.

>> thank you for that question. um, the conditions that i was speaking of is the environmental conditions, the cold, the wind, the fact that, you know, we we were still having the occasional snow. um, but those conditions, again, that we're, we're used to working in as first responders and our people, along with the, the other first responders, did a tremendous, tremendous job of responding in those conditions. um, it's part of the environment that we operate in. >> megan fitzpatrick from cbc news. what can you tell us about the child that was airlifted to sickkids? do we know if the child was on. somebody's lap or buckled in? what can you tell us about the nature. >> of their injuries? >> no, no we don't i'm sorry. >> we don't. know if the child. >> does not know. no, we don't have that. those details. >> can you give us an age range of the passengers on the plane? >> we don't have that either. i would direct that to delta. okay. >> we're going to take two more

questions. >> okay. >> and just one more on the. >> shot of the two that are in hospital. is one of them the child? >> we're not sure either. okay. >> i have a. quick question for fire. did, uh, fire responders fear the spread of the fire? and can you speak to the properties of jet fuel? how flammable is it? how much time did that give you to? to tame it? >> okay. did you hear the question? okay. so on the jet fuel, like whether they were working. >> yes. um, upon arrival, there was jet fuel and there was flames. uh, we do have specialized aircraft rescue firefighting equipment that carries water, foam and dry chem. and that it is utilized to smother and cover up the jet fuel to provide mean free egress for the passengers. so we do have the appropriate equipment and the appropriate training to mitigate that emergency. >> okay. we've been listening to officials in toronto give as

much information as they can, emphasizing over and over again that this is still the beginning of what will be a complicated investigation. cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean is back with me. pete, what are your takeaways from what we did hear. >> that so much went right here. you know, it wasn't all that long ago that we were talking about 67 people dead in the potomac river and the most severe injuries that were laid out by the first responders here were back sprains, anxiety, nausea and vomiting. a very different tale. and we could so easily be telling a much worse tale. what is interesting to me now is also just the textbook response that is described here by the first responders and toronto pearson ceo, deborah flint that they have trained for this over and over again, not only by the aircraft rescue and firefighting crews that responded within minutes, although we don't have an exact time, but they were there pretty much nearly right away, but also by the cabin crew. the two flight attendants on board this plane who got these 76 people.

this is a full regional jet out very quickly, not only using one of the exits. that's typically used as a means to service the galley in the front of the airplane, but also one of the overwing exits that essentially became an underwing exit because the fuselage was turned upside down. it's not a very big airplane, a canadair regional jet like this. and so the passengers essentially had to make their way. and you can see in the video there by using the overhead bins as a walkway and out into the cold of toronto pearson. it was 18°f at the time. just imagine the terror there. and we also heard from the airport fire chief todd akin, that there were some spot fires that they had to put out some small fires, and you could see the foam and water trucks there, and they they were able to spray while they're moving, which is so critical at an airport like this. pretty incredible. the other thing that we also heard, and this is something where, uh, the officials of the airport are kind of not wanting to touch the

third rail here, but they are sort of hinting at it is that there was an extreme weather event there at toronto pearson, and they had on the thursday and sunday before this crash on monday, 50cm of snow. that's about 20in. we're talking just under two feet. so they said that was totally abnormal. they would not really touch the questions about the conditions of the runway and the blowing snow at the time, but the video really tells the story. you can see the blowing snow across the runway there. and investigators will, of course, want to know if that impacted the pilots ability to see the runway, their depth, depth perception, their ability to flare and round out the airplane at the last minute, last seconds to to cushion the sink rate and land normally. because the video we keep seeing is of a very hard landing with a lot of force that caused the right wing to shear off and this plane to tumble down the runway. so much went right when so much could have gone wrong. a real testament to the engineering of the airplane and the training of these crews who practice for this over and over again. flight

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