>> well, that's the other thing. there is this perception that to be in one of these cults, you have to either be mentally ill or weak minded. you have some extraordinarily highly intelligent people here. that's what sets them apart from a lot of other cult members. the thing that doesn't set them apart, though, is whether it was the gender. gender fluidity issues or something else in their life where they were being isolated. they found each other and they found this leader, ziz, um, that brought them together in this common cause. >> and were they working? i mean, i guess there's more members out there. >> there are. and the question is, where does membership start and stop? you know, if you were a follower of the blog, if you were a fan, um, you know, what were you willing to do? how deep into it were you? are you a casual user or are you a hard core member? but with the main members, which number is about seven, who are either dead or in jail? you see kind of a real dent in that leadership. we'll have to see where it goes.

>> all right. the news continues right here on cnn. >> outfront next. breaking news. >> the mystery over musk. the white house insisting it's trump, not elon musk overseeing efforts to upend the u.s. government. but that's not what trump and musk have said. so who is in charge? also, breaking trump parrots putin falsely claiming ukraine started the war with russia. and video showing the moment that the delta flight crashed in canada, flipping over as new video into outfront shows the chaos on board as passengers scramble to get out of their seats. let's go out front. good evening. i'm brianna keilar in for erin burnett. outfront tonight. breaking news. call him whatever you want. just don't call elon musk the head of doge. that's the message from the president, who was pressed tonight on what exactly musk's role is when it comes to

dismantling the u.s. government. >> elon is, to me, a patriot. so, you know, you could call him an employee. you could call him a consultant. you could call him whatever you want. >> but as i said, just don't call him the head of doge. in a striking new court filing, the white house argues, quote, like other senior white house advisers, mr. musk has no actual or formal authority to make government decisions himself. so then who is in charge of the department of government efficiency? earlier, i asked trump's deputy chief of staff for policy, stephen miller. >> doge is the. >> what was formerly u.s. digital services. it's an agency of the federal government that reports into the office of the executive office of the president, which reports to the president of the united states. >> he says trump's in charge. back in november, trump said musk was in charge when he announced doge. quote, i am pleased to announce that the great elon musk, working in

conjunction with american patriot vivek ramaswamy, will lead the department of government efficiency. ramaswami long gone, but musk remains, and he certainly sounds like he's the man in charge. >> we actually are trying to be as transparent as possible. in fact, our actions we post our actions to the doge handle on x and to the doge website. all of our actions are fully public. it's not like i think i can get away with something. i'll be scrutinized nonstop. >> and tonight, cnn learning that whoever is doge is also attending meetings at the pentagon. this after seeking highly sensitive information at the social security administration and the irs. jeff zeleny is outfront, live in west palm beach, florida. so, jeff, why is the white house making it so officially unclear who is heading doge when practically speaking, it does seem to be elon musk. >> brianna. >> that is a great question. >> and for all of the controversies and really

questions surrounding this first month of this administration, one of them did not seem to be who was running doge. it was hardly something being hidden. in fact, it was being celebrated by the white house. but this all came about as you said in a court filing, when the white house has said that the administrator was not was not elon musk specifically. that is for litigation purposes. we've seen all these lawsuits coming. so clearly they do not want elon musk to be in that role. but i was thinking back as we were going through all of this today to the night before the inauguration, when then president elect trump made clear who was in charge. >> we will create the new department of government efficiency, headed by a gentleman named elon musk, who is here someplace. >> so from even before the president was sworn in to certainly that scene last week in the oval office, it is clear

that elon musk is in charge of doge his young engineers are spread throughout the entire government. but actually who the administrator is is an open question. it could be a long time. a worker of his as steve davis, who has worked for elon musk for many years, he could be the actual administrator, but the white house simply would not say. but brianna, the reason this matters is another executive order signed last week by the white house says the administrator of doge has to send a monthly report on new hires back to the white house at the end of six months. they also have to send a report on how this is all going. so elon musk has never backed away from the spotlight, except it appears when the question is who's actually running doge? brianna. >> very interesting. jeff zeleny, thank you. everyone is here now. we have jamal simmons. so i wonder, jamal, does it seem to you that elon musk is in charge of doge? >> of course. >> elon musk.

>> is in charge of doge. the president. >> said it. elon musk. has said it. it's walking. >> like a duck. it's talking like a duck. he's in charge. >> of doge. the question that's happening, though right now is they're trying to dodge responsibility. i'm missing like a letter, right? doge doge. but they're trying to dodge responsibility for elon musk being there. here's the question. is he operating on behalf of his companies, or is he operating on behalf of the american public? is he taking advantage of his government position for his own personal enrichment? we don't know. is he using personal and private data from americans to marry up with the private data that he has, or public data that he has from those companies? we don't know. there are all sorts of things. when you're at the white house, you have to be able to report back on your conflicts and adhere to ethical constraints. it just doesn't seem like he's doing that. >> matt mowers, let's look again at what trump said today about musk's role. here it is. >> elon is to me a patriot. so, you know, you could call him an

employee. you could call him a consultant. you could call him whatever you want. but he's a patriot. >> i mean, matt, may we all aspire to be patriots, but it's probably not what's on our business card, right? is that an important detail to nail down? >> you know? yeah. it is. and by. >> the way. >> elon musk is a patriot. he's the world's wealthiest. >> person volunteering his. >> time to. >> assist the president. >> united states, to implement and advise on implementing. >> one of his key. >> objectives, which was taking on the. administrative state. >> and look, i'm. >> a lifelong conservative. most lifelong conservatives. >> have been waiting a. >> generation to cut. >> down. >> on the size. >> of the federal bureaucracy and. >> government to. >> actually decrease. >> the headcount. and in one month. >> you're already seeing president trump. and along with elon's advice. >> getting that done. >> i mean, you had 4%, almost at 4% of reduction in the headcount. from the buyout process alone that they had put in place. >> let alone. >> the rifts that are undergoing. right now. ultimately, it's going to result in a streamlined federal

government that's going to ensure that u.s. taxpayers are getting a heck of a lot more for their dollar that they're putting into than they were in the last few administrations. >> lulu garcia-navarro what do you think? mm. >> um, not that i think that, um, there's a lot of problems here. first of all, there's no transparency. how many people have actually been let go? where are they being let go from? um, it's incredibly chaotic. if you hear from federal workers themselves, some of them don't understand their status. some of them have been forcing to go, being forced to go into office when there is an office space, um, you know, the entire way that this is being done is with a sledgehammer. and the fact is, if there is no transparency you're talking about. yes. working for the american people. well, what the american people actually demand is if you are working for them, we should understand who you are. what is your security clearance? what is the purpose of what you're doing? i mean, these are all things that are incredibly important. and the reason we

demand transparency from the american people is because if something goes wrong, then who should we understand is to blame? where does the buck stop? um, how do we understand who's going to be taking responsibility? you know, they are meddling in things like who deals with our nuclear arsenal. this isn't just a casual thing. uh, you know, firing people at twitter. this is actually dealing with america's national security. and so who is in charge? why is this happening? and who is doing what is incredibly important for all of us to understand? journalists and regular people? >> and i asked steven. >> can i answer actually lulu's question there, brianna? i mean, we know the answer. donald trump is the one who is executing on his agenda. the same thing he campaigned on. well. >> you're jumping the gun. >> is the president jumping? >> you're jumping. >> the gun. >> because i asked stephen miller that earlier. and here's what he said. so who is in charge of doge?

>> the president of the united states? >> he's the administrator of doge. >> no, the. >> doge is the what. was formerly u.s. digital services. it's an agency that federal government that reports into the office of the executive office of the president. >> but, matt, the president is not the one who is reviewing these individual personnel files. he's not firing the people who are in charge of the nuclear stockpile, kind of seemingly accidentally, and then rehiring them. so that's important. that's an important distinction. >> well, but his senate confirmed cabinet is right. i mean, the way it works, i mean, i worked in the state department under president trump, right? i was a senior white house advisor in the first administration. my job was to advise the secretary of state, ultimately the secretary of state, who was confirmed by the senate, had decision making ability. >> but if you're an. advisor firing you, it is it is a position that you actually get

appointed to. you are constrained, um, in a number of different ways. for example, for conflicts of interest, you can have businesses that are involved with things that you are actually overseeing, like elon musk is. so again, this is all being done in a way that is incredibly chaotic. there is no transparency. and one of the things that we saw today with judge chutkan, um, she gave doge a big win. but one of the things she pointed to is that these the there is no clarity into what they're doing, so they can't actually show harm. and i think that that is there is deliberate. this is deliberate. i think it is deliberate that we don't know who is in charge of this, because in that chaotic sort of darkness, um, things can really, you know, grow and we just don't know what's happening. >> let's talk about that conflict of interest, though. >> yeah. >> go on. matt. >> i was just going to say, you know, he is, i believe, a special government employee, which is a classification of

employee. you believe in every administration. >> you believe or, you know. i you know. >> i believe it's even been out there. i mean, i believe that's out there. there's a special government employee, by the way. that's not uncommon. that's how you bring folks from the private sector into the government to bring. >> their expertise. >> usually that's a. >> good thing. >> by the way. >> you know, i. >> don't. >> have to. >> celebrate the fact that. >> the administration says he's a special government employee. i think it's pretty clear the purview that he has exceeds that. let's look at this moment, a pretty incredible moment today as trump was asked about musk's conflict of interest he has. his company is, of course, tesla. spacex. they have just billions of dollars in contracts with the u.s. government. here's this exchange. >> mr.. present, given your concerns about corruption, um, you said that if there were any conflicts of interest with elon musk, you wouldn't let him anywhere near it. >> that's right. >> doge and spacex employees are now working directly at the federal aviation administration and the defense department, agencies that have billions of dollars in contracts with

musk's companies or that directly regulate his companies. how is that not a conflict of interest? >> well, i mean, i'm just hearing about it. and if there is and he told me before i told him, but obviously i will not let there be any conflict of interest. so anything to do with possibly even spacex, we won't let elon partake in that. >> jamal. >> i'm just reflecting back to my time at the white house where i literally could not talk to certain news organizations because i had been on their payroll right before i came into the white house. i couldn't deal with any issue that had to do with my wife's current employer. at the time when i was at the white house. and you had to report all these things, i mean, pages and pages of documents that report your, you know, whatever individual stocks you know, you may have held for $15 that you had to sell when you go into the white house. so it's just amazing to me that the president's basically saying, trust us, elon musk isn't going to do any of these things. just trust us because we're so trustworthy. >> well, beyond this, he's also saying, this is the first i've

heard of it. i mean, if you actually adhere to the process, there would have been a process to see if he had any conflicts of interest, and this would have all been seen in advance, as opposed to there have to be. that was my colleague jonathan swan there asking that that question to president trump and, you know, not the media having to do this vetting, but the government itself having to do this vetting. >> but, brianna, let me just say this also for the record, democrats should be talking about this. we should be trying to stop the worst things that the that the trump administration is up to. but that's not going to be enough to win back the support of the american people. democrats need to also begin talking about what's important to the american people, and how they are going to fix the government and make sure the government works and the change that the democrats want to bring out. that is the thing that we've got. >> to keep. that's a whole other can of worms, and certainly one, the conversation that needs to be had. thank you. all of you. really appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> so outfront next, breaking news. trump repeating russian propaganda. he's claiming that

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that russia's invasion of ukraine was started by ukraine. trump, echoing a russian talking point on the same day the u.s. and russia held talks about ending the war with ukrainian leaders nowhere to be found. >> i think i have the power to end this war. and i think it's going very well. but today i heard, oh, well, we weren't invited. well, you've been there for three years. you should have ended it three years. you should have never started it. you could have made a deal. >> as a reminder, this is how the war started. in february of 2022, russian missiles hitting kyiv. trump also seemed to push for new presidential elections in ukraine. that's something that russia really wants to see happen. matthew chance is out front. >> lavrov. >> president yury ushakov. >> the russians are calling these first u.s. talks a huge accomplishment after years of hostility. officials from both sides now chatting across a

saudi negotiating table. the u.s. says it wanted to see how serious the kremlin is about ending its brutal ukraine war. >> i came away today. >> convinced that. >> they are willing to begin to engage in a serious. process to determine. how and how quickly and. through what mechanism can be brought to this war, whether we can ultimately reach that outcome will obviously depend on every side in this conflict. willingness to to agree to certain things. >> we're still. >> not for the past three years, russia has been pounding the front lines across ukraine, seizing territory in a full scale invasion estimated to have inflicted hundreds of thousands of casualties on both sides. despite tough sanctions, though and steep losses, the kremlin has shown little sign of wavering even now, briefing that the war is just one issue. along with restoring economic ties in the possible normalization of relations with the u.s. under

president trump. >> i think, again, in the previous administration, there was so much damage done to any communication, any dialog, any understanding of each other. biden, biden administration. i think we're starting from a very low base, and we have lots of road ahead of us. but i think the conversation was a dialog trying to understand each other's position, respectful dialog. and that's already a huge accomplishment. no ultimatums, really understanding each other's positions. >> what's also striking in riyadh is the absence of key players, not least ukraine, whose embattled president vows he will not give in to russia's ultimatums and express surprise. us-russia talks are proceeding apace. >> europe. >> today, europe, nato countries and the united states could give ukraine hope. strong security guarantees, hope that ukraine will become a nato member. but today, we do not hear such support from the united states. we know that they and several other european partners do not

support membership in nato. and i believe that this is russia's great desire. >> to. >> another. is russia being back at the top table of international diplomacy? and the kremlin dream of shattering western unity on ukraine becoming a harsh reality. and tonight, brianna, president trump is telling reporters that he could meet his russian counterpart, vladimir putin, as early as the end of this month. that's just 11 days away. the kremlin has said no date has been set or agreed, but the u.s. president seems determined to press ahead with something that would have been unthinkable just over a month ago, before he was inaugurated, basically forcing a deal upon ukraine. well, resetting relations with russia. brianna, back to you. >> really amazing. matthew chance, thank you for the

report. outfront now, democratic senator jeff merkley. he is on the senate foreign relations committee. senator, first, your reaction just to president trump falsely stating that ukraine started the war when russia did. >> well, it's incredible. and it's really been a set of events since last wednesday that have just thrown shockwaves through the alliance. there was the wednesday night. call between president trump and putin without consultation with our nato allies, or, for that matter, with the ukrainians. there was vance's speech, the vice president's speech in munich, where he basically blamed european democracies, belittled them, treated them, has just kind of not even real partners. while meeting with the far right in germany, which has been a problematic element to the vision of democracy, a group that's much more interested more in autocracy, if you will. and then you have rubio going off to riyadh to start

conversations. our secretary of state, rubio, and excluding ukraine and our european allies from the conversation. so this set of things and now with president trump saying, well, the ukrainians shouldn't have started a war, it is shocking to have the leader of the united states of america not know the most fundamental elements of of how this crisis came to be a dictator, putin, who wanted access to the sea, who took crimea, who wanted a land bridge to crimea, invading and wanting to completely wipe out ukraine. and and boy, when he first had the ships and tanks position, people thought that within days he might succeed. and here we are years later, because the people of ukraine care so much about the same values we have freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of speech that they were willing to sacrifice. enormous losses, enormous losses in blood, enormous losses and injuries, enormous losses in the economy to keep their freedom. and here we have the president

of the united states and his team instead facilitating a split between our allies, our democratic allies in the united states. >> so why do you think he's doing that? what do you think is motivating this administration? >> well, we saw in his first administration how much he loves that his trump president trump loves authoritarian figures. and we are seeing his authoritarian actions here at home. so in this bizarre twist of history, we have the president of our republic, our democracy, who is more in love with dictators than with democracy. >> your republican colleague, mississippi senator roger wicker, he's the chair of the senate armed services committee. he wants ukraine to have a seat at the table. and he called putin a war criminal, said he should be jailed for the rest of his life if not executed. said he should not be trusted in these talks. does that go anywhere with this white house? >> i don't think it does. i

think the white house is set on its path. it's willing to take criticism. it's valuable, though it's certainly i praise senator wicker for for saying what we're all aware of, of how horrific putin is as a dictator. the losses of all freedoms in russia, the massive loss of lives of him feeding them into this, this war in ukraine, his invasion and his plot to begin with. so thank you, senator wicker, for pointing out the obvious, but being willing to say it at a time when this white house is assembling authoritarian power here in the united states, and being quite harsh on those who would criticize it, especially republicans who would criticize it. >> what are president zelenskyy's options now as you see them? >> well, he has to make a clear as he's trying to do, that, you can't have negotiations in the future of our country, democracy without us at the table. now, maybe this can be fixed because

you have these initial conversations. and now if if the if the trump team goes and holds extensive consultations with, with our nato partners who have been with us throughout this war, with the ukrainians themselves, there are a series of issues that pretty much people understand are going to be factors that have to be dealt with in seeking peace. and by the way, all of us want to see an end to this war. it's been clear for a long time that the amount of land passing back and forth is modest, while the number of lives continue to be that are lost continue to be extensive. so there's the outlines of of a deal, but it can't be a deal that ukrainians are excluded from. they have to be involved. and the europeans are going to be expected to play a big role in guaranteeing whatever peace is worked out. president trump has made that very clear. well, if you want them to be a big part of the deal, you better involve them. >> senator merkley, thank you so much for being with us tonight at such a critical point in

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plane. passengers helped each other along the way. >> you could see. >> kind of row by row. or area. >> by area. people were checking one another out, making decisions. about whether we would help one another with their. >> straps, or if by doing. >> that, would they be landing on somebody else. >> one passenger told outfront that all seemed normal as the aircraft was on its final descent, but then suddenly a hard landing. the new video, filmed from another plane on the tarmac, captures the jet erupting in flames as it skids down the runway and flips over. >> when we hit, it was just a super hard, like hit the ground and the plane went sideways and i believe we skidded like on our side and then flipped over on our back. where we ended up, there was like a big fireball. there was no like real indication of anything. and then, yeah, we hit the ground and we were sideways, and then we were upside down, hanging like bats. >> in the few days leading up to the crash, toronto received more snow than it had the entire

previous winter. but officials say it's too early to answer if that was a factor in the crash. >> this would not be a time for us to have theory or to speculate on what caused the crash. >> canadian officials say 21 people on board were injured. none were life threatening, and on tuesday afternoon, officials said only two remained in the hospital. the incident comes as the aviation industry is still reeling from recent accidents involving an american airlines commuter jet and a military chopper near washington, dc. a medevac jet in philadelphia and a bering air flight near nome, alaska. passengers on board flight 48, 19 say it's remarkable everyone survived. >> i think. >> the most powerful part of today was. >> there was just just people. no countries, no nothing. it was just people together, um, helping each other. >> absolutely incredible. and,

brianna, just to give you an update, that plane is actually still out there on the runway behind me, still in the same position where it crashed. investigators have been on board, and late this afternoon, brianna, they confirmed that they did, in fact, retrieve the cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder. so they've got that in their hands. but even with all of that potential information that they have access to, it's going to be some time before they have an exact cause. brianna. >> jason carroll, thank you for that report from toronto. outfront now, erin murphy, commercial pilot and flight instructor, joining us live from the toronto airport. and mary schiavo, former inspector general at the u.s. department of transportation. and, mary, you've seen this. we just obtained this video, and it shows the inside of the plane as passengers were hanging upside down from their seats. talk us through the dangers of this situation in these first moments after the crash.

>> well, there are many dangers, and not the least of which are probably the ones we don't see. one problem with seat belts, and there's one good thing is everybody does seem to be hanging. so they followed the captain and the flight attendants rules. the flight attendants went through the cabin probably twice to make sure everybody's belt was fastened. but for small people, very thin people, little children, often they fall from the belts. and so we didn't hear a lot of that. there still may be some of that we don't know about, but that's what's supposed to happen. there's supposed to be secured in those belts. but the problem is getting down. and that's when a lot of head injuries happen. if they just release the belt and fall, then that's a problem. but there doesn't seem to be any panic. there was no fire. there's no smoke. right? kills most people. the heat, the smoke, the fumes and the fire. and, you know, miraculously, they didn't have that. and the flashover happened and was extinguished by the time they stopped and had to get out. very, very fortunate. >> yeah. thank goodness. and,

erin, i want to show the video again that shows the plane as it's coming in to land and then instead it crashes. when you slow it down, you can see it hits the ground, it catches fire there very quickly. it flips what stands out to you as you as you see this. >> yeah. >> looking at that approach, um, it's incredible. first of all, that that aircraft parked on juliet there, holding short of 23 was able to just put the the phone up and just for some reason record that aircraft. and it was landing of all the random things to do and to have that outcome. uh, the thing that i'm seeing on that approach is what we call a stabilized approach. it looks fine with the with the wind gusts and the conditions that we had that day. i would expect to see the aircraft struggling to maintain wings level. we should see a lot of roll inputs. it looked incredibly stable to me all the way down to the very last seconds of that approach and landing, and it's it's almost as if they picked up some kind of a downward gust. or maybe a

gust had suddenly stopped at the time of landing and kind of dropped out the bottom of the aircraft, like the aircraft seems to have just dropped to the runway suddenly, and that really struck me as odd. i didn't really perceive, um, any amount of flare happening in that landing, which to me is very odd. i think any person who has some flying experience would have picked that up right away. the aircraft stays level all the way down to the ground. i did not see the nose come up in any kind of a flare. at the point what i would have expected to see a flare and the flare is where the aircraft pitches nose up gradually, just a little bit to reduce the vertical speed so you're not slamming it down onto the runway, as we saw in this case. unfortunately. >> yeah. that vertical deceleration that we kind of perceive as floating nicely down the runway usually. and mary, we just learned that the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder were both recovered. maybe not surprising because of the condition of this

plane, but how quickly can investigators take that and get the information from it to figure things out? >> oh, the canadian officials. are very they will. oh, sorry. they will be downloading it right now. they already have the cvr and they've probably downloaded the flight data recorder. it is it's, you know, computer data. so what they have to do is they do have to analyze it, but they're downloading it literally right now. this is one they'll be looking at air speed, wind shifts, you know, um, maybe there was a landing gear failure of the locking mechanism or the pneumatics. they will look at flap deployment, everything, and they will have this. this is one where they will have very quickly and they're reading it. they're printing it out, reading it out, downloading it literally probably right now. >> and erin, i also wonder just kind of about the psychology of maybe what was happening, because at the press conference today, they said that there were more than 2000 flights that have been canceled from thursday to sunday because of snowstorms.

let's listen to this. >> we got more than 20in, 50cm of accumulated snow. that is actually not typical. in fact, it is more snow within that time window than we received in all of last winter. >> aaron, they said that monday was a recovery day for operations at the airport. we also know i think this flight was coming in a little bit delayed. do pilots feel pressure in these situations to land their planes, knowing that there's a backlog of delays and cancellations? >> i think the the only real pressure is duty. every pilot feels a duty to get their passengers to the airport safely and as quickly as possible. uh, yeah. and then you get this situation with some really challenging winds. um, we are you're usually you're primed to go, you're primed to land, you're primed to continue with the flight. uh, different pilots

will, uh, decide, you know, maybe there's too many threats in this situation. i'm going to pull up and go around. i'm going to come back around and try this one more time because something just doesn't look right. but yeah, there's a duty. every pilot feels a duty to get that aircraft to the destination of the passengers safely to the gate. that's absolutely the case. and when there's a backlog of passengers, that's when the pilots really stand up and say, okay, let's get this done, because people need to get where they're going. >> all right. erin murphy, mary schiavo, thank you so much to both of you. outfront next, a city in crisis is the fate of new york city's mayor is now hanging in the balance. the state's governor weighing whether or not to remove mayor eric adams from office. plus, nascar on a collision course with one of its biggest fans. president trump. it's a special report you'll see first on outfront. >> this part. >> changed my life. >> superman is now the winner of the bafta award for best documentary. >> chris wanted. >> to change. >> the world. >> people are.

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hear is this high pitched whine and then just the tires being shredded by those electric engines. >> the power is just out of. this world. >> it's like nothing. >> i've ever experienced before. >> it's like twice as much horses as as one of the regular nascar. >> yes, that. >> beyond that, you have the power on demand at all times. >> like a power drill. >> there isn't a power band. it's just there's just all the power at all times. >> this is one of three electric prototypes unveiled this year, as nascar pledges to be net zero by 2035. but while this chevy blazer was supposed to be the first electric pace car in daytona 500 history, it was literally cut off by donald trump's armored plated motorcade, a fitting metaphor for a president who is vowing to destroy ev incentives, charging networks and tailpipe pollution standards, as he promised to fossil fuel executives. >> as the. >> politics made your job harder these days.

>> we have very clear corporate goals around sustainability, and so our job is to focus on getting those done no matter who's in office or what's going on. so our focus is on right now energy. and right now the race track you have behind you that keeps you up at night. and how do we decarbonize that within the next ten years. and so that's everything from energy efficiency, led lights, bringing different technologies, other partner technologies so that we can reduce our own operating footprint as a sport and then bring that to the fan and educate the fan on how can we bring some of these technologies into our communities and help support the growth of sustainability across the country. >> i guarantee. >> you, there's more. evs in the. >> parking lot today. >> than there was five. >> years ago. >> and then another. >> five years. there's going to be a lot more. >> david ragan is a third generation nascar racer who now drives an electric ford mustang in retirement simply because it's fast, fun, and cheaper to fuel and maintain. he believes this fan base is destined to make that same discovery. so the market, not the president, will decide. >> and i think the manufacturers. >> really they've got their

finger on the pulse. chevrolet, ford motor. company you. >> know toyota. >> the big partners here in nascar. they've all got their different plans for how they're going to attack that. and again i think nascar is just saying hey we want to be prepared when that evolution takes place. >> so daytona. >> they just electrified. >> their parking lot. >> so there whenever. >> their employees. >> pull up. >> they'll be able. >> to charge your vehicle. >> once charging. >> becomes more ubiquitous. >> and it sort of. >> gets integrated into the fabric of the everyday. >> american. >> i think it will become. >> more and more. >> accepted, and it will be utilized more and more by everybody. >> you were telling me this is a conscious effort to win hearts and minds of folks who pay extra for the fumes and the noise. >> of we're in the energy transition right now in this country. the energy transition isn't for some people. it's for everyone. so i think we need to have better conversations about how we use energy in the united states. and we welcome all the opinions and all the opinions out here today, because these are important decisions to make our country stronger.

>> guys are watching. >> ryan and bill is with us now. so bill trump remaining firmly in favor of combustion engines. can't elon musk just maybe win him over with this idea of electric? >> that's a great question. it looks like he's going to claw back the incentives that benefited a lot of tesla buyers. it's interesting that in blue states, tesla loyalty seems to be going down. it's going up in red states as the cybertruck becomes sort of a maga symbol. but globally, it's taken a huge hit. sales dropped over 40% last year over the years before. and you got to look at china. in china, there are hundreds of different ev companies that will likely be winnowed down to a dozen or two just global superpowers in the next decade. but that's a race that donald trump seems he wants to sit out. >> yeah. no. is there a good roar with the vehicle? >> no. you need to do it artificially. it's it winds too much. and it would beat any nascar right off the line. but you need a break to recharge the batteries, so. but so much

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