unlike anything we've ever seen before because the judge is going to bring in the parties. so we're going to have eric adams and his defense team at one table, and we're going to have doj leadership. we don't know exactly who, but perhaps emil bove, but people who are aligned with him at the other table and the judge is going to put them on record, doj on record. i need to know your reasons for wanting to dismiss this case. the law says the judge has to sign off. now. doj has very broad discretion if they want to dismiss a case as to why, but we're going to hear something, i believe tomorrow that we've never heard in an american court before, which is the justice department saying the reason we want to get rid of this case, dismiss this indictment, your honor, is so that mayor adams can help support our policy and political agenda on immigration. that's what makes this scandal about so much more than just eric

to me to the new york club, mr. mayor. elie honig bill de blasio, great to have you both. thank you so much. and thank you all for joining us. cnn news night with abby phillip is up next. >> tonight, who's in charge? civil servants abandoned their government gigs to send a message, as the trump administration refuses to say. >> does elon musk know he's not in charge of doge? >> so what is his role at doge? >> who's leading the president's great purge of the federal bureaucracy? plus, side by side, the president and the billionaire get equal time to sell their vision and to complain. >> i used to be adored by the left. >> you know, about their critics. also, just a joke. >> oh, no. no, it's just a handshake. yeah, it's just a handshake. yeah. all right. >> or a deplorables rerun? maga makes a mountain out of a moment on snl's 50th special. and his take. >> they need to get their act together before somebody like me

takes it real seriously. >> stephen a says democrats are in the worst shape ever. >> this is bad, bro. >> live at the table. ashley. allison. lance trover, arthur. aidala, cari champion and dante mills. americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do. good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york. let's get right to what america is talking about. if not him, then who? tonight the president is going full marie kondo on the federal government throwing out thousands of federal jobs that he and elon musk see as wasteful. so who is really in charge of the federal government is on the record in court saying it's not elon? this is from a court filing in one of the cases where doge is defending its legal defending itself from a

legal challenge to its authority. it says this, quote, like other senior white house advisers, elon musk has no actual or formal authority to make government decisions himself. well, if that isn't clear enough, maybe this is. quote he musk is not an employee of the u.s. doge service. mr. musk is not the doge service. administrator. really? well, think about that for a moment. the government wants you to believe that the person putting thousands of people out of work, making them rethink their entire lives, how they feed their families. technically, he has no power to do what he is doing. and the president says he doesn't really care. >> elon is to me, a patriot. so, you know, you could call him an employee. you could call him a consultant. you could call him whatever you want. but he's a patriot. >> but when the president elect, the president said that the president elect, he did have a very clear idea about who was actually in charge. this was his

answer just a few weeks ago. he said it was elon musk. here's the truth. social post to prove it. quote the great elon musk working in conjunction with american patriot vivek ramaswamy no more will lead the department of government efficiency. ramaswami is gone, but elon musk is still here. and if you're going, well, that's one social media post. well, he also said it as well. listen. >> we will create the new department of government efficiency headed by elon musk. we will create the new department of government efficiency, headed by a gentleman named elon musk, who is here someplace. >> okay. so now even asking questions about doge and its mission is apparently out of bounds. >> you may assert there's no waste in the pentagon. you may assert there is no waste in treasury. you may assert there's no one in hhs. >> stephen. stephen, i don't think anyone.

>> why are you not celebrating these cuts? if you agree there is waste, if you agree there is abuse. if you agree there is corruption, why are you not celebrating the cuts? higher salaries of american workers that are taxed disappear forever. >> stephen, let's calm down. this is not. this is. we're not having a debate. >> there's no reason. >> about whether there. are. well. >> you are clearly trying to debate me and i. i will be as excited as i want to be. >> joining us in our fifth seat is dante mills. he's a civil and criminal attorney and a law professor at temple university beasley school of law. and he will also be as excited as he wants to be. um, you know, why are they so finicky about wanting to call elon musk, the head of doge? what is the what are the legalities here that they're trying to avoid? >> i feel like i have to start by saying go birds. >> i have to. >> now that that's out the way, i can say so. there's an appointments clause that says that congress has to establish any new offices within the

government. and once they establish that whoever fills that or leaves that has to be, um, has to go through a screening from congress. right. elon musk wants to avoid that. so what they're trying to do with the trump administration is act as if this is a an advisory committee and not an official department. however, you see them operating as an official department, they want access to certain documents. they're making more than just recommendations, because whatever comes from that office happens. so they're doing more than making recommendations. they're having access to public records. they are an official department. but elon musk does not want the conflicts to come in place, because if he is determined to be a government employee, then he has to give up those governmental contracts that he has with his company. so there's a reason why they want to create that separation. i think they're doing a bad job of doing it. but there's a reason. >> well, it's too late as as. abby, just thank you for for all the soundbites. he's the head of

the department. and what i think is really interesting is how when i read different articles, they call his team of friends or people who think like him officials. they are not officials because. >> some of them are. some of them apparently are employed. >> some some are. but for the reality that 19 year old or then 25 year old or whomever we were referring to who was making these comments earlier. remember last week or two weeks ago, we were talking about that a lot of his employees are people that not his employees, the people that are working for doge are people that are like minded with him, and he's in charge of them. so it's clear that he still is to your point in charge. but it's a bad separation. i also think the talking points are too late. here's my thing they have already decided that he was in charge. we all, many of us already know little x told us we're going to do it. little x said we don't do it quietly. they'll never know. little x said, shut your mouth. you're not the president. little x told us what the game was, and if we're pretending like little x didn't give us a window into what is actually happening, i think that's ridiculous. i know people may disagree, but i'm here to tell you little x gave us the information.

>> i mean, can we really be surprised though? i mean, a lot of the soundbites, or at least 1 or 2 you showed was believed during the campaign. so how can we be surprised? like today, he did the ivf right and promises made, promises kept. he's going to make it a lot easier for people to get funding for ivf. so this is no secret he was talking about. he just said it. that was him on the campaign trail. so we like surprised. >> he's saying that elon is in charge of doge, but they don't want to have him go. >> they're walking a fine line. >> yes. process and the lack of accountability i think extends beyond just whether who has the title. right. uh, there's a court filing today in the hearings. some of the things that have been going on saying the defendants are aware that a select set of agencies, in fact, terminated a number of employees at the end of last week. how many? they can't say. why. >> do we really care that much? do voters care that much? do voters care that much? do do

voters care that much? that's a serious question. >> about they care about what? >> about whether he is in charge or is in charge. we have a president of the united. >> do they care about the jobs or elon is what i'm trying to clarify. >> i'm saying, do they care whether he's in charge or not in charge, or do they care what's getting done every single day? because from what i'm seeing, what's that? yes. >> you have the right to know. >> that we have a president of the united states who executes and makes these decisions every single day. he made that clear in their press conference with them. my point my point. >> is the same accountability that every other agency had has. i mean. >> well, there are. >> the public has a right to know about who's the head of the department of homeland security. why not the head of doge? >> well, he is, from what i understand, what's called an sge, a special governmental employee. that happens all the time throughout government where people come into the government, they are unpaid adviser and advisers for roles. that's what i'm saying, that. >> they from south africa. >> let me finish. let me finish. this is what happened. yeah. this is what happens in government all the time. everybody's worked up because of what they're doing. that's my point. the president is the president. he has advisers all

the time around him. are we worried about every single agency and who's doing what at all times? no, of course we're not, because it's elon musk and donald trump. that's why we're blowing it out of proportion. but i would argue. >> also because there are reportedly tens of thousands of people, maybe many more than that, losing their jobs. entire functions of the government no longer functioning. i'm just saying it's not just because people are suddenly interested in the nitty gritty details, it's because all of a sudden, whole swaths of the government that were functioning before are not anymore. and don't you think? >> well, no, i don't think that's true. what do you mean? the government is not functioning.? >> entire consumer. >> financial protection. >> bureau is not functioning. that's an entire. >> function. >> it's a congressionally authorized agency. go ahead. ashley. >> is anything happening? >> i actually don't disagree with what you're saying. i think that donald trump and elon musk are placing a bet that the american people actually don't care, but i think democrats have a responsibility to explain why they should. yeah, my sister is a teacher. she talks about her

students being terrified that her it's in washington, dc. their parents are losing their jobs. it's impacting the students and how they show up to learn every day at that school. there are people in kansas, farmers in the midwest who are not getting access to grants, trump voters. that is what we need to be telling the american people. i think what donald trump and elon musk are doing is terrible. and as someone who loves our government and thinks that it's important, i do want to know all the ins and outs. but when americans we just learned this on november 5th, they actually might not care as much as who is in charge, but they do care what they are doing. this is where i disagree with you. and i think what elon musk and them are doing right now, deciding to cut fire faa officials when we seem like it seems like we have a plane crash in this country every other day, people don't feel safe to fly. and there, there, there, right now in this country. and what donald trump is doing feels like it's tone deaf. what democrats have a responsibility to do is now is to translate that into the american people, not in

washington, dc, but on main street, where their eggs are still too expensive. bacon is still too expensive. bread is still too expensive. >> government waste exists. i applaud them. >> then why do you guys keep. >> defending it? but here's. >> what you keep defending him. >> not defending, not defending. >> cutting government waste. but you can't have your cake and eat it too. you can't have. on x a numbers thing running with the amount of money you're saving. but then say, how dare you ask us how we're doing it? or who's in charge of it? you can't. >> do it. >> where it goes. >> this is the other thing. it goes. >> i want the american people also to pay close attention to the tax fight that's about to happen. and i know we don't like to talk about the specifics of tax fight, but they're talking about all this money being saved. well, you might want to expect in a check from the government to come back into your pockets. but most americans aren't going to get that check. but do you know who will get that check? the 1% of billionaires and millionaires who are going to get benefits. >> from these. it's not going to make up for it. i mean, i'm just telling you the facts are

okay. doge says that they have cut about $16 billion, which is a rounding error in the federal government's budget. but but of that 16 billion, they claim they saved 8 billion. this is according to the new york times, 8 billion is on a single contract. turns out it wasn't 8 billion. it was 8 million. yeah. so we're talking pennies here in the scale of the 6 trillion federal budget, it's pennies. and to ashley's point, there is going to be a tax bill. there's going to be a budget put forward and it's going to add trillions in spending. so where is doge actually making a difference? or are they just cutting things that ideologically don't fit? >> well, i don't think there was ever a promise made that we're going to pay for a tax cut bill with what doge did or what they're doing. that was. >> never elon said he was going to cut $2 trillion. >> well, that may be true, but i don't think the commitment was ever we're going to pay for a tax bill. >> we're one month in. yeah, we're one month in now. we're not even one month. right. so it's not even it's not even february 21st. so you know, like it's 28 days. it's four weeks. >> okay. wait. hold on.

>> let's see what happens. >> ashley! help me. can someone help me? why are we. i mean, maybe you can. maybe you can help me. why are we talking about elon musk? as someone who can come in and slash the government? government spending because he is in charge. and we're not like the guy who made my teslas in charge of the federal government. tell me, what are his qualifications? what are his qualifications? and i don't. >> president trump don't give me don't. president trust. >> do not because the. >> president president trust him. that's the president's prerogative. that's fine. you're going to be on the united states supreme court. you're going to be the secretary. >> of state. that's fine. no, no. >> everybody that you just mentioned, though, goes through a hearing, a separate hearing. >> that is my point. you can tell us, but you can. >> tell us more. >> than anyone. no law. >> how many, how many positions? there are very close to the president that are not confirmed by the senate. you you lived it? >> yes. this man is asking for important. >> information. >> and he wants to play in my to go through a six. >> month security clearance. whether you are answering the phone or whether you're in the oval every day. you literally if

you are answering the phone or you are in the oval office every single day, you go through a what is it, a. 68? or, you know what some, some form. it is about 100 pages long. you have to fill it out before you can even walk in. people get calls for six months from the fbi checking your background, asking questions, and then if you're on any boards, if you own any stocks, anything like that, you have to relinquish it. >> if you get. >> elected a.gov. >> just explain this to me. if you get elected in january and you're taking office in two months, where's the six months that the fbi. >> you go, you go because as soon as you win, right. >> that's november 5th. >> you have vetting attorneys that are already on your transition team. you get an interview from a veteran attorney and you start it's an expedited somebody at that level, quite honestly, at ellen's level, would get an expedited vetting process that could be done in six months. but the due diligence happens for six more months. >> how do we know that's not happening? so so i'm just asking how do we know it's not

happening? >> it didn't it didn't happen. >> that's a very good question. the questions are being asked. the white house is just not answering that. >> correct. >> and when news organizations like cnn say, okay, we're going to put a foia in place to just find out what documents were filled out. that office is gone. >> and why is the pushback so strong? >> hang tight. there's more. speaking of elon musk, maga champion steve bannon is apparently not a fan. why? he's calling musk a parasitic illegal immigrant who wants to do freak experiments on americans. he really said that. plus conservatives, they like calling liberals snowflakes. but after their outrage over tom hanks on snl, are those on the right now? the pearl clutchers. >> super man, the christopher reeve story saturday at ten on cnn. >> until this week, my dad did not know where he was from. it means the world to share ancestry with my dad in nigeria. this is where it all started. so

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state. arthur, we should disclose, is steve bannon's lawyer on a case that was just in the headlines last week. you talked to him about. well. >> i told him i'm going out with abbie. i said, you got something to say? first, i just need to say, um, he's been an excellent client. he really has. he has been. i mean, i deal with some very difficult people. >> nothing but good clients. >> no, no, no, that's not true. but it isn't. no, that's. but that's not true. >> he pays the bills. >> he has been. no, no, no, it means he listens. it means he says, okay, you're the lawyer. i'm not. you tell me what to do. you tell me how to handle. >> what's the beef with elon? why is all of that? >> this is what he. he allowed me. he gave me permission to tell you. abbie. he said steve bannon is a hardcore populist, nationalist, america first and american citizens first. anti oligarch, anti-big tech, anti concentration of power, anti network state and techno feudalism. defender of american

workers thinks silicon valley, silicon valley oligarchs live off of bringing in foreign workers to take jobs from citizens. steve wants to totally shut down h-1b visas and a moratorium on all immigration until our visa issues are sorted. bannon supports deconstruction of the administrative state, deep state and doge efforts, but thinks needs to show real cuts for this budget fight. now. >> that's actually kind of what we were talking about in the last. >> segment. >> the real cuts. and he also had a warning about some of the real cuts that actually would be required in order to get to some numbers that actually matter when it comes to the budget. here's what he said on bannon's war room. >> medicaid. you got to be careful because a lot of maga is on medicaid. i'm telling you, if you don't think so, you are dead wrong. medicaid is going to be a complicated one. just can't take a meat ax to it. although i would love to. >> tough, tough choices coming up. because if you really want to talk about money, elon is going to have to put him on the department of defense, medicaid,

medicare, social security. that's where all the money is. >> well, we've seen him going into defense. i think recently this week that's been happening. i think there's been that's been happening. look, yeah, there's no question. and this is going to take some congressional action as well. and the question is will there be the will in congress to make some of the serious cuts that are needed as well? i think there will be some congressional approval that will be needed on some of that stuff. >> one thing about steve bannon is he is consistent in his anti-immigrant rhetoric. >> i see a lot of. appreciation on the consistency. >> is impeccable. >> were you offended by that? because that was. >> i mean. >> believe it or not, i was like, okay, all right. >> i don't. really know where you're going, but i do. >> i just like he's he's so consistent that even like someone that is now an ally to donald trump and is doing things like undermining the administration, what elon musk is trying to do is actually destroy the administrative state. um, there is not a deep state, but he is trying to destroy the administrative state by these cuts. so that's why he is not totally saying to, to to

elon musk right now. but what he said in his war room is really important. and again, is what democrats have to figure out is that the, the the strategy or the policy programs are going to not just impact democrats, they are going to impact trump voters who live below the poverty line, who are middle class, who said it was the eggs and the economy in this election. and and they're not going to be. and if they start to do social security, it's not just social security. it's not just medicaid. it's not just medicare. it's it's what was tapped into when they did that funding freezing. it's section eight. it's wick, it's head start. those go in rural areas and in urban areas. and there is an opportunity for democrats and people across the board to say, this is the working class fight right now. elon musk and donald trump are new management that come into your plant, your factory and your small town. they don't care about you. they don't care about your city. they care about their pockets. and they lay you off. the

product doesn't get better and you lose your job. and that's what's happening in our government right now. if democrats can connect that dot, midterms are going. >> to be saved. but steve is on to something. i just want to say, i say we ran on eggs and economy, but what's also make america great again, what he was saying to me and what i, what i was able to gather. and you can tell me if it's wrong from your client. was that who is this man that i've been saying from day one? and i'll scream that every time i sit here because i think we overtalk that. who is this man making these decisions, deciding what should happen in our economy? we can simplify. and it makes no sense. so to. your point here, he don't even go here. thank you. >> we can simplify it by saying. this elon musk is a businessman. >> sure. >> america, the country is not a business. >> so you're not his not his. well, as a business, not his business. >> you have to factor in people's lives. >> but, professor, with all due respect. >> it as a business, this is for the people, by the people. all trimming the fat is not going to help the american people. >> i know in new york city. >> the bottom. >> line i know new york city is

not the united states of america, but those of us in new york will tell you, michael bloomberg may have been the greatest mayor of the 12 years in the city of new york, and he ran new york city. he ran his administration like a business. he took everyone out of their offices, put him in a bullpen, and he said, we're going to do this. like i run bloomberg, where i started with nothing. and boy, was new york fantastic. for those 12. >> where was he born? >> boston, i think. >> thank you. >> well, listen, you're the anti-immigration. just because the guy was born in another country. i'm not holding that against. >> unfolding here. but, lance, let me give you the last word. >> i think this is the misunderstanding. i think we are a much different country. i hear what you're saying, ashley. we may get down the road, and maybe there's not that toleration for it. we are a much different country and a much different electorate than we were eight years, even four years ago. i think there's a lot more tolerance for a lot of the cuts that we see coming up. >> unless they don't improve their lives. >> well, at the end of the day, that's what it will all come down to. but we'll see where the line is for most americans. everyone stick around. it's day two of maga outrage over snl. is

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>> irrelevant, due in large part to the election of donald trump, and it makes them furious. it's really condescending and insulting to these hollywood actors viewers that made them famous. >> it's like ten years of this and they still haven't learned a thing. it reveals they hate and have contempt for the hard working men and women in this country that make it great. >> they like to fly between los angeles and new york, and look down on the rest of the country. and that's what we saw with tom hanks. >> that is so low. i mean, that is so low and uncouth and disgusting. a lot of his movies are average. anyways. >> his movies are average. hold on, hold on, hold on. his movies are average. come on. how many? i mean, he's won more oscars. he's one of the greatest of all time. >> but i also just wonder, is it really that deep? >> no. >> and that was. >> when a girl turns you down. you're like, i really like her. >> right. >> she was ugly. yeah. >> she was ugly. >> but there. >> is this fixation, it seems. look, i know trump is a little bit fixated with snl. he likes

the way he is. he likes to control how he's portrayed in media, whether it's a time magazine cover or whatnot. but this is just a skit. it's just a skit. >> i thought a lot about this. i think this goes to snl, and in my view, when it comes to comedy, pretty much anything goes. i think most people would agree with that. i think the problem we have here is, is that it wasn't really that funny, and it's not been funny for 2016 and since 2016, for a lot of americans out there. and i think that's the problem with snl is that they have become so pointed and personal in their attacks on trump and his supporters. think about this just for one second, though. dana carvey, the best h.w. bush impersonator. the president loved it, invited him to the white house. it was bipartisan and hilarious. darrell hammond was a great bill clinton impersonator, did phenomenal skits, bipartisan. everybody loved him. that's not this. it has become so pointed. and i do agree, i think it reflects that these folks are really out of touch,

particularly after november 5th, with where the rest of america is. >> but they had kamala harris. impersonations in there. i think they have it both. >> ways. on snl. >> yeah, they give it both ways. >> and it's 2016. why that? why that year for you? >> this was also, by the way. >> he did the skit. >> in. >> 2016 and he did it in. >> so you're saying it's not funny anymore after? >> i'm saying i never really found it funny and i do. i just think when you look at the history of snl and what they've done with politicians, whether it was dana carvey or darrell hammond and it was bipartisan, people liked it. this is much more pointed and towards donald trump and his supporters. >> i mean, i agree, they can't they can't keep going after the democrats. i agree with that. they need to be i mean, after. >> the republicans. >> it needs. >> to be more. >> i agree with you on that. >> into the white house and just said, hey, let's have a laugh at my own expense. i mean, it seems like the person who's not willing to take the laugh is the president. >> i mean, you have you have a guy in a maga hat not wanting to shake a person's hand because they're african-american. i mean, that's just not true. that's not how that's not that's not funny and it's not true and it's not accurate. >> that's it's not accurate. >> no, of course not. you know, this is what i'm talking about.

>> i just asked 77. 77 million people. >> voted for this guy. >> i just asked. >> the. >> question, is it is. >> it. >> not accurate? lance is raising an interesting question. the stereotype of the maga voter is maybe what was portrayed in that skit. but the truth is, the maga voter is your next door neighbor. the person living in your high. rise luxury apartment building. he's the person down the street. he's your cousin. >> the stereotype. >> the stereotype is not quite what the reality is. >> but the stereotype is also that the democratic voter is some crazy left radical. and they also are your neighbor. yeah, and i think this is the point. like things you said in the last segment, things are different since 2016. we all have to take responsibility of what role we have played in making things so different. and the person that was being pointed fun at, which is donald trump, has a crucial role in why we are in a different place in our politics. >> i think it works both ways to her point. >> it works. >> both ways. you can't just say it's so pointed. people are tired. to your.

>> point, if i don't think there's anyone who is rooting for donald trump to win the presidency more than stephen colbert and seth meyers. their whole monologue every night is about donald trump. if he was gone right now and kamala said, i don't know what, they would have nothing to say. and they do get personal, but i don't. i wasn't offended by the tom hanks thing. i think that was the funniest segment of the whole night. everyone's got to have some thick skin and let's make some jokes and laugh at ourselves. >> remember that not too long ago, republicans were also saying this about a joke. >> i think. >> that we have to. >> stop getting so. >> offended at every. >> little thing in the united states of america. i'm just. i'm so over it. >> i don't think people should be offended. i think we should all spend less time trying, literally trying to be offended. it imbues the offended with power with victimhood comes power. >> the whole thing is is like a shell game. we're all pretending to be upset that we're being insulted. america's motto should be oh, how could you? >> by the way, just let me just

be clear. this was when they were talking about a comedian joking that puerto rico was a floating pile of garbage. >> so i. >> know that offended me. that actually offended me. that was that actually offended. >> don't be a snowflake. >> i'm sorry. i know that's who i am. >> but you. >> but to your point. to your point, i do believe comedians and even roy wood jr., who was on here the other night, he said the same thing that the way in which comedians start to attack the president, they have to give it back both ways. we can't just continue to go after republicans. >> sometimes. another comedian said that. but but the ones that affect you are the ones. >> that that are true. >> that are true. >> but but the whole the guy with the but the guy with the maga hat not wanting to shake the hand of a black person. that's an extreme. that's an extreme, that's an extreme. but most people won't. >> relate to that. >> so you also but there are also other extremes in which they portray people who were too woke or die or whatever, whatever you'd like to call those people. and that's unfair too, as well. they're both. you can't just that's what i. was saying about. >> when you look at the 90s, if you look, they were making fun of the presidents. they're

making fun of the supporters, they're mocking the supporters and saying things. that is who tom hanks he was. he was not donald trump. >> he was. he was. so you're saying you maga supporter. >> so he was an extremist. >> 77 million people went and voted for this guy. >> and you should be able to mock an extremist without everybody else. >> saying. >> you and i started this. >> by saying i think everything's i think everything's. >> fair game. i think that you're making a fair point to a degree, but i think you would also have to be, if you're going to be fair minded about this, you would also have to say that all the people who are, you know, woke, die. they're screaming all that language at the other side should stop that too. >> i think comedy should be fair game for everybody. but i think i think comedy should be fair. >> for everybody. but the point. >> but but okay, so fair game. meaning this was fine. >> no, no no, i don't love it. i'm saying, look, i wasn't personally completely offended by it. i am bothered by the fact that i feel like they are mocking at least 77 million people in this country, that. >> mean 77 million people saying they. can't sit there.

>> and comedy is. >> comedy. >> but. >> not the whole the. >> whole skit was they were mocking black people. i mean, black jeopardy. it was all i mean, i think they were offending. >> everybody that. i think that the. >> point like, i don't actually think it's snl's job to stay above the fray. >> yeah. >> it's their their job is a comedy skit. i actually think the people sitting at this table, we have a job and a responsibility. when something like that happens, it's our job to dissect why people are offended and why people aren't offended and really understand why is our country so divided right now? if a black person feels like they see somebody with a maga hat and they are, they are, they are intimidated or whatnot, that's a conversation we need to have in our country to move past this point we are right now. but instead, i think we veil it behind like skits and it's like, oh, you know, you're going to lose forever. i don't i don't want to live like that. this is actually. were you. >> outraged when you saw that? i don't think there was. >> i just. >> but my. >> point is. >> is that there was no outrage. like, i think we're overdoing. >> it just about the. >> right, right now. i mean, right now they want to cancel the ap over not calling it the

gulf of mexico. which is. >> ridiculous. >> undocumented. any more. ridiculous illegal aliens? you can't say a whole host of things that you can't say anymore. i mean it, the atlantic put it this way. how? the woke right replaced the woke left. i mean, is that where we are? >> well. >> they. >> are good at controlling the. >> narrative. >> and they're going to pick up on these morsels and try and blow it out of proportion and say, oh, the left are being they're being mean. and and that's why you should never go back to them. they're going to blow it out of proportion. i think they're doing this a little bit too. i don't think they're as offended as they're making it out to be, but of course they're going to exaggerate it and make it seem as if it's the worst thing in the world. >> also, these are not elected officials. let's just be also really clear, really, these are comedians. and so to compare it to somebody running for the president of the united states, to the comedian, i think those are two different. those are not apples to oranges. those are like apples to a cow. >> apples to a cow. oh my goodness. >> hold on. coming up next. >> is. >> the democratic party in such dire straits that it needs to nominate a sports host as a presidential candidate. well, that host thinks that he should

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threatening. >> well, he's been. >> we had him on the show talking about this very issue around this time. actually it probably a year ago. so this has been floating around for a while. >> but can't you make a little bit of an analogy of that? that's what happened with trump. in other words, like he was like, look, jeb bush, what are we going to go? bush, clinton? bush? clinton? like, you know, and i don't see anyone else out there who's so great. so i'm going to go in there and and he won. now, i don't know if stephen smith is going to win the presidency. >> why not? and these are her people. this who. >> was calling stephen a smith? >> well, he said they like he would take it if. >> you need somebody did call. >> if they need him he'd be like, i'm more than willing this stephen a if you're watching classic you. he's such a he's a wonderful human. he's going to do it for america. >> i i'll tell you. but i'm not do the i believe. no. >> no, no, i believe he would be great. i'm not even being funny. i believe that he would be great. i need someone to match the bombastic the the the the the outrage, the the the

performance of what we have going on right now. stephen a could do that. i disagree. >> with that. i do think that someone needs to come at the democratic party is now all about anti-trump, and that's not going to work. when you think of bill clinton, you think of homeownership, you think of obama, you think of health care, you think of trump, you think of immigration. we need somebody to step up and have an issue spotting agenda where they can say, here's how i'm going to directly help america. >> and you think he has, you think he has. >> i don't. >> think stephen smith can. >> do it. >> but clearly somebody. >> has to. >> if democrats drafted a stephen a this a personality as somebody who has sort of pop culture resonance, would that concern you as a republican? >> yeah. i want to say to stephen, a stay where you are, because as a republican, i want the democrats to keep doing what they're doing because. >> because you think. >> he'd be good? >> yes. i don't want. yes. >> i say. >> stay. >> where you are. i. because i think that. >> i. >> i don't actually think that like the person who is the president has to be a career politician. i agree, i think

they should have some strong understanding of the government, because if you don't, then you get a doge. um, but, you know, for a long time people were trying. she was the former first lady, but she wasn't. >> they wanted. >> michelle obama, they wanted oprah. they talked about the rock. i think there's nothing wrong with wanting to serve your country in any way, shape or form in government or running for public office. i just think whoever it is has to have the qualifications to be able to understand how bills are made. wait, wait. hold on. i don't know if. >> that's true, ashley. i just don't think. >> that's that's what i want. yeah i think, yeah. >> but i don't think that's necessary. >> look, some, a lot of times at this table, the answer to the question of why is donald trump doing x, y and z is, oh, i don't think he knows how this works. so i don't know that knowing how it works is a prerequisite. >> i think. stephen a. >> i think stephen would be great. >> to deliver. that's all. >> you have to deliver. >> that's that's. >> the point.

>> he can deliver a really good message. he is very effective. he is the kind of person that you listen to him, whether you agree or disagree, you're paying attention. he controls the room. and i'm not saying it's all about showmanship, and i'm not saying he should be president, but what i'm saying is it's not crazy. look where we are. >> right now. a little bit. >> about showmanship. let's play sotw2, because this is what stephen had to say about this. >> get trump like what i mean by that time is be your real, true, authentic self. for better or worse. can you genuinely tell me, as a person who covers this stuff for a living, that trump surprises you? what? think about how he acts. think about the things that he says. and then he goes and he tries to do it. for better or worse. he's letting you know i don't care. >> speaking truth. >> and then speaking facts. >> he shows up at the super bowl. he shows up at a nascar game. >> yeah. >> he does whatever. >> he wants. >> he is putting himself. we were actually just talking about this in the last segment. he inserts himself into the culture. you cannot ignore him. >> yeah, but look, he you may

disagree here. he's authentic. and that's what people donald trump that's what people like about him is that he is authentic. >> but he's an anomaly because i'm a criminal defense attorney. he has been so good to criminal defendants with the first step act and helping people get out of jail. people who were sentenced under the draconian crack laws, who got ten, 20 years for 2 or 3 vials of crack. he's the guy who turned that around. but today he does ivf. he's the president who's making it easier for women who are struggling to get pregnant, to get the funding to to pay for it. >> okay. i just want to say about the ivf executive order, it says he's directed his government to study the issue. so we will see what comes out of that. but to your point, the laws of political gravity don't apply to trump in the same way. you know, he did the first step act got pilloried by conservatives. >> yeah. >> i just think. >> they reelected. >> original question. i think stephen a would not be a ridiculous candidate. i think he's sitting there and talking about it and thinking about it.

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grease in there. i'm not, i'm not, i'm not saying this for tv. it's the truth. you know, i was like, i was like this at sobey's. i can't believe i'm spending saturday afternoon, not with my kids ripping off some tag. i don't even know what it was. so again, you want to commit a petty crime, clean some graffiti. >> all right, you better start with arthur's house and, ashley. >> i think that when someone who doesn't have, like, paid leave or an essential worker needs to take time off to take care of their sick kid, that the person who commits the petty crime has to step in for them for work without pay. >> that's a good idea. hopefully, if they're good workers, maybe not. >> if a teacher wants to be substituted by a petty crime. but here's mine. so i thought this through, arthur, if you get caught for a petty crime like petty theft, you can't use or have access to what you tried to steal. for example, if you steal reese's peanut butter cups, you can't eat reese's peanut butter cups for three months, right? if you still sox, you can't wear socks with your shoes for three months. you better hope it's not

the winter time where you have timbs on or something, because you can't wear socks. >> and dante is going to check on everybody every day. >> and make sure you're not. >> wearing socks. no reese's. >> he has on socks. he's in trouble. that makes sense. actually. >> makes sense. if he tried. >> to steal a car, you can't use a car, you can't drive. you got to. >> walk everywhere. >> you got to walk everywhere. eye for eye, tooth for two. i get it, i like it. mine would be. you all are. and this is actually probably. it sounds like it's not a real crime, but it is a crime. and forgive me for everyone who loves mariah carey, but i'm sentencing you to a mariah carey concert where in which she is carried around and lip syncs. now everyone doesn't think it's awful, but if you had to endure that day in and day out, it is something painful. i want to give a lot of love to my friend jamal hill, who went to see the concert, and she said she loved it. you're lying friend. >> i have to give a disclaimer. i have to give a disclaimer. >> you love. >> you love. >> reviews of carey champion. >> act not. >> endorsed by. >> champion with abby phillip me. find me. >> headlands.

>> this one struck a nerve with me. i am a dog owner. um. agnes, two year old english lab that i have at home. there she is on the screen. she is a cutie. like any good, you know, dog walker. you know, everybody knows you have to go and clean up and pick up the poop after them. for some reason, where i live in washington, d.c., not everybody likes to do that. i don't know if this is a crime. not picking up dog poop. >> it is a crime in new york. >> it absolutely. >> should be. i would argue, punishment like, you know, hard labor camp out in the desert somewhere i think would be nice. but since we're going petty crime, i think if you do not clean up your dog's poop, you should, uh, have to go around the neighborhood, your community, and pick up whether it's backyards, pick up dog poop, wearing a sign that says, i didn't pick up my dog's poop. now i have to pick up all the dogs. >> i agree. >> scarlett. >> while listening to mariah. >> 100%. >> all in this. >> dog offenders are the absolute worst worst dogs. >> that was really great. >> being a good citizen of the world. all right everybody, thank you. and thank you for watching news night. cnn's coverage continues next. >> tonight on 360, the president

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