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we done? >> the joe schmo show all new tuesdays at 9:00 on tbs. set your dvr now. >> diplomatic spat. president trump and zelenskyy are trading jabs. the ukrainian leader says trump lives in a disinformation space, and that the u.s. is now helping putin. plus, cuts at the defense department. new cnn reporting about possible firings among civilian employees at the dod. we're going to talk about where those cuts could happen. and then later, texas fried chicken. it hurts for me to even say that. kfc is leaving my beloved home state of kentucky. why? the company is saying goodbye to its namesake state after so many years. good morning. you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm pamela brown in washington. and we begin with the efforts to end russia's war in ukraine. the u.s. and russia are holding talks over what

happens next. but leaving ukraine out of the conversation. and that's sparking some new tensions. as ukraine president vladimir zelenskyy pushes back on president trump's claims about what started the conflict. >> unfortunately, president trump, i have great respect for him as a leader of a nation that we have great respect for the american people who always support us. unfortunately, lives in this disinformation space. >> cnn chief international security correspondent nick paton walsh is in kyiv. nick, very strong remarks from president zelenskyy at a critical moment for his country. >> yeah, i mean, i saw a very. determined, possibly anxious at times, certainly i think angry at volodymyr zelenskyy making those remarks. he also went out to say that the recent saudi arabia summit between the united states and russia had essentially ended the isolation of putin that had been put in place by the biden administration and the west after the full scale invasion in

2022. but the real issue, i think, here is how does this move forward? we can have this clear rift between the two perceptions of the men, despite zelenskyy holding out respect, he says. still for president trump. how does this move the peace process potentially forward? and we have in kyiv right now the ukraine and russia envoy to president trump, general keith kellogg, arrived at railway station early this morning talking about the need to talk about security guarantees. and i asked president zelenskyy if indeed the united states doesn't want to see ukraine in nato, doesn't want to put troops on the ground, what kind of security guarantees could we be talking about? indeed, that might potentially keep ukraine feeling safe. here's what he said. julia ehrt mr. president, we've heard the idea of security guarantees again and again from the americans, but they don't want to put troops on the ground. they don't want to put you in part of nato. how would security guarantees potentially look given those restraints? can you explain what would work? >> what would work? i think nato

will work, really, but. >> they won't let you in. >> so yeah. yeah, it's true, it's true. the the strongest. but but when they said, for example, no boots on the ground, you know, but they have ships but they have air defense. they really have it. american. they have it. they have air defense. okay. can we have 20 systems of patriot? it's enough. and even we don't need their team to be at this systems. we have our teams. we will we will train our teams. so for us, it's not boots on the ground, but it's real help. >> and now, another key point of that press conference he gave was to answer president trump's false claim that his polling is at about 4% popularity. zelenskyy said it's closer to 57%. he said they present polling in the weeks ahead to confirm that yet again, and i should stress, it's very complex and dangerous. i think for a

wartime leader like zelenskyy to have a legitimacy question. and that's indeed what moscow has been trying to do for years. and now here he is trying to explain that he doesn't need to have elections, which, frankly, anyone who looks at elections thinks could be disastrous in terms of legitimacy and their sheer functionality in the middle of a war. and nightly russian aerial assaults. so a very dangerous moment here. certainly the idea of that being questioned. but zelenskyy was appearing confident and i think clear, that he wanted to rebut what trump had said the night before. >> and i want to also focus on those comments that you were alluding to from president trump about the start of this war. let's take a listen. >> i have the power to end this war, and i think it's going very well. but today i heard, oh, well, we weren't invited. well, you've been there for three years. you should have ended it three years. you should have never started it. you could have made a deal. i could have made a deal for ukraine. that would have given them almost all of the land. everything. almost all of the land. and no people would have been killed and no city would have been demolished, and not one dome would have been

knocked down. but they chose not to do it that way. >> so trump's words there, echoing russian propaganda and giving putin a boost. what is the reaction not just inside the kremlin, but also among european leaders? >> yeah, i mean, the kremlin. putin has said that the saudi arabia meetings meant that he was meeting with officials who seemed to have a clearer understanding of what was happening. that's the kremlin's talking point here. what's important to address is what president trump, the most powerful man in the world, is saying about the start of this war. he's saying that, you know, ukraine should never have started it. now, just to remind our viewers how this began, this was an unprovoked russian invasion in 2022, which the russians denied they were going to do, despite troop buildups across the border in which the biden administration relentlessly warned about with its western allies was imminent. so there was no sort of moment at which ukraine decided to let this all happen. and also president trump suggesting that there was potentially a moment to where a deal could have been

done that would have allowed ukraine to keep nearly all of its land. i don't know what he's talking about. there was never a proposition for that to have occurred. there may have been moments during this war where possibly diplomacy might have swept in and reduced the amount of land that russia has taken, but their initial game plan had had been for, frankly, the de-nazification and demilitarization of all of ukraine. so a much more maximalist goal. and so trump isn't really speaking about a history with anyone here in ukraine or in europe or the world would be familiar with. and i think that's ultimately the complexity here that we are hearing. the most powerful man in the world, the commander in chief of, you know, the pentagon, the biggest military force on earth, the biggest backer to ukraine, saying things that are so much more familiar to the russian narrative, so distant to the truth of what's occurred here. and i think very jarring for ukrainians who have seen the u.s. be their greatest backer a month ago. and now it seems in a very unclear moment. we don't know if this is the final trump policy or an iteration of it, but it's a

stark departure, and many people have been speaking today frankly shocked at what they heard. >> nick paton walsh, thank you so much. so let's discuss that and more with republican congressman ryan zinke of montana. he is a member of the house foreign affairs committee. thank you for coming on, congressman. so i want to get your reaction to president trump blaming ukraine's vladimir zelenskyy, not vladimir putin, for russia's invasion of ukraine. >> well, first of all, ukrainian demands, they demand they're in nato. they demand crimean peninsula. if you roll it back, you know, part of the problem, the very beginning was nato. and ukraine's entrance into nato. you know, i'm from montana. it's really hard for me to say, to ask kids in kalispell, for instance, to go to war over the donbas where they don't know where it is. and entering in nato, ukraine would have to go through significant political reform to include elections, which is democratic, but they're an oligarchy, and there are many power struggles within ukraine.

it is not a transparent government. it is not. it is not, you know, a pro-western. it is it is corrupt government. so they need to would have to do some some deep reformations and reform. but but also the korean peninsula, you know, you look at the history of the korean peninsula. it is russia's only warm water port. is there access to the black sea? so the reason why russia is there is they feel that they look at that as as absolutely essential for their their security interests of having access to the mediterranean and the black sea. so there are some problems to go through. but ukraine is not in a, in a, in a terrific position for demands without u.s. help. and quite frankly, european help has been little to none. without the u.s., russia would be in ukraine. it would be it would be part of that. so, you know, looking at it, uh, i'm an optimist. trump wants to end the

fighting. and, you know, to his to his point, it could have been ended. i think both sides realize that continuing is not is not, uh, in anyone's interest. so that's where we sit. >> so just to go back, though, and i hear what you're saying about, you know, issues in ukraine, there has been a history of corruption, certainly in ukraine. but in terms of the president putting the blame on ukraine for russia invading it, do you think that that is is fair, rather than blaming vladimir putin for invading ukraine? >> well, vladimir putin, let's be clear, is a war criminal. and it was russia who invaded circumstances and conditions could have been ended, probably. um, but i don't i don't hold, uh, about vladimir putin in any anything other than a warm war criminal status. he is a superpower, though, you know, you say the last superpower has not has nuclear weapons. it can escalate very quickly out of control. i think that's a

concern for us all. uh, europe has been weak, uh, in this conflict, with the exception of poland, has stood out as one of the highlights of of strength. um, but at the end of the day, this needs to end. and the lines will work out the negotiation. but the main players in this, uh, russia being, i think, the aggressor, us being the main supporter and hopefully we can come with an agreement, but all parties can live with and stop the fighting. >> it's interesting. so so you're saying, look, vladimir putin is a war criminal. we just heard roger wicker, um, the senator, republican senator tom, my colleague manu raju something very similar to what you're saying. do you think that president trump sees him as a war criminal? because one could argue that he is essentially echoing kremlin talking points and saying exactly what vladimir putin wants to hear right now? what do you think about that?

>> well, i'm not sure i disagree with echoing russia's talking points. can i be. >> specific with examples? >> well, for instance, ukraine peninsula. yeah. of ukraine's insistence on nato. uh. expanding. you know, removing russia's access to the black sea. that's not a talking point. that's fact. but at the same token, though, you know, you you cannot ignore what russia has done and the violence and the atrocities that have been committed in the territory on the ukrainian people. i don't think you would walk away with that. uh, you know, is the is the goal is clear to end the war. um, but look, wars are dirty. i've been in a lot of them in my life. and by the definition of war, they're bloody. uh, a lot of atrocities and innocent lives. unfortunately, suffer. >> and just to be clear, i want to be precise here and transparent with our viewers. when i talk about echoing

russia's talking points, i'm talking specifically about saying that zelenskyy, you know, was to blame for the start of this war, talking about, um, you know, ukraine not becoming a member of nato, questioning the legitimacy of. zelenskyy, talking about how russia should keep the land that it has seized so far since 2014 with crimea. so i want to be really specific. and that's what i was talking about there. >> well, and the point about the crimean peninsula, you know, it was russian territory for 800 years, there has been at least 12 wars fought over that piece of ground. uh, to me, it's analogous to the mississippi river in the u.s. i don't think russia is going to leave the crimean peninsula because it's they consider it a national imperative as far as their national security goes. and of course, they don't want u.s. troops. they don't want nato troops on their on their border.

i understand that. do i think the actions on the military violence that occurred was justified? absolutely not. absolutely not. but it's time to end it. enormous resources are being put in. you know, ukraine by the u.s., by russia. they're going broke. you. europe is now stepping up a little more than they have. and you look at how much they've they've participated in percentage of their nato contribution. there's only a few countries that are in that zone of actually meeting their obligation. i think that's an important concept too. but, you know, i don't look at narratives. i look at the ground is that i don't think russia is going to going to leave the crimean peninsula again. that's an imperative. i think they're they're the ones that aggressor, clearly the ones over the border. but the band's from zelenskyy in ukraine. i demand to be in nato. you're not in a position to demand much. >> so i guess in these negotiations. look, i mean, analysts have different

viewpoints, right? um, and i've interviewed some who specialize in studying russia and studying ukraine, who are saying, look, putin right now is is using the u.s. is using trump and that putin cannot be trusted. we heard that same sentiment from roger wicker. of course, other arguments can be made that i've heard is, look, nothing was happening. this war was continuing under president biden, and he had iced out russia. so why not try to bring them in and reach a peace deal? but do you think do you see the point about the potential of putin using the u.s. here, using trump, and that he shouldn't be trusted? what do you say to that? >> well, uh, you know, i don't trust putin. i don't believe that president trump trusts putin. i think he realizes what putin is. uh, he's a war criminal. he's also the head of russia, which needs to be taken seriously as former, you know, uh, you know, vocation was kgb. so, look, and russia is an oligarchy. he's the head

oligarch. there's no doubt about it. and ukraine, also an oligarchy type of government. zelenskyy is not the most powerful. or at least he's a competitor. but he is not the undisputed leader of of those oligarchs. and again, in order to go to nato, they would have to do political reform that is distant in the future. and i do believe in elections. and i think that you can you can do it if there's a if there's a question about his legitimacy, about extending the elections even through wartime, i think that can be figured out. if zelenskyy's popularity is what he says it is, it should be no problem. >> but i guess, you know, you heard nick paton walsh talk there about the concern about questioning his legitimacy and what that can do and the dangers of that, the questioning of legitimacy is essentially coming from russia. um, and now, you know, you're seeing that with president trump. >> well, you know, the legitimacy is coming from russia. yes. because they would have an interest in doing that. but zelenskyy himself, i mean,

again, demanding, uh, demanding we're going to be in nato. you're not in a position to demand what you are in a position is. and look, i love freedom. we all love freedom. i want ukraine to to to be successful. i want the war to end. uh, i don't want to see civilians get bombed every day. missile attacks, you know, somewhere and lose their life in ukraine. and i understand jfk that we we will defend freedom, but we will defend freedom the way that the united states, uh, looks at it and makes sure we don't escalate into a nuclear conflict in europe. >> certainly no one wants that. congressman zinke, thank you for coming on to share your perspective on all of this. we really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. and your husband is a seal. love him. >> oh. thank you. he will be happy that you said that. thank you. once a seal, always a seal. i guess. >> absolutely. >> this morning, we learned that the u.s. department of agriculture is now working to rescind termination letters sent to employees working on bird flu

response. those workers were among the scores of firings at multiple federal agencies, including the u.s. forest service. joining us now is amanda mae downey. amanda, thank you for coming on. so you worked for the forest service. did you ever think you'd be in this position? you would be on the chopping block. >> so as a probationary employee, there's always that risk, right? but i worked hard, and i did my job, and i did not think that this would be something that would happen to someone who. who goes in under these conditions and, and proves themselves and works really hard and that's that's been a real gut punch for me. >> i imagine it has been. and from what i read, you know, you have a family that you're trying to support. um, tell us about the process of termination, what that was like for you. are you still getting paid? when does your pay end?

>> yes. so i received a text message from my supervisor asking if i had a minute to talk. i was actually busy helping my daughter move unexpectedly in grand rapids from her apartment. and then he called and left a voicemail. i was still busy, i missed it. i did call him back. um, he said that i needed to come in and speak to him. um, before i believe it was close of business on monday, that we had to wrap it up over the weekend. and so, as directed by my union, i sent a message just clarifying that i was going to receive premium pay as a callback to be called in on a holiday. um, he did respond and confirm that i would be. and, um, so then i went in on monday to receive my termination letter from opm, which i believe you guys have a copy of. and was able to pack up my stuff. i had to turn over my accountable property to another employee. i was there for about three hours. i think.

>> so we're showing it here on the screen. you say received and accepted under duress. why was it important to you to add that line? >> it was really important to me because there are so many policies under concern that we don't believe are being followed as employees. and we are, you know, looking to our union for guidance on those things. and the possibility that it sounds like with this being such a sheer volume of employees, that this is a riff and there are policies that have to be followed if we are under a roof. and you can't just come in and sweep out all the worker bees, because that's the easiest thing to do. >> so and going back and i apologize if i missed this, but i'm just curious what is the package like for you? are you giving given pay through a certain time period? is your pay cut off immediately? i just want to better understand that. >> yeah, so i apologize. i was so focused on the prior question. um, so there was a lot of concern over the weekend. uh.

so for me, uh, the national account from where all of our paychecks come from, we were aware there was going to be some, some maintenance as government purchase card holders, but there was never any mention about our paychecks and all of our paychecks. most of us that gets deposited on, you know, friday, saturday, even sunday. and it was pending all weekend. some people said it showed up and then disappeared. um, i will say that my check did deposit and finalize today, so i am glad for that. i should have one more paycheck coming to me from this last week for the pay period. and i will. i have been told i will receive my annual leave and if i had any credit hours built up, i would receive that. we do not receive our sick time that we have reserved. >> so you worked with the forest service, which manages and maintains public forests and grasslands and is critical in wildlife protection. what is your biggest concern now that so many of the agency's workers are gone? what do you think the impact will be? people. do you

think people will feel this? >> definitely. i think it's going to be a tremendous impact. you know, first it's going to hit us and our families and our amazing coworkers, and that's going to impact our communities. it's going to have a ripple effect. eventually, you will see that our natural resources and our beautiful public lands will not have the same standard of care. and that's going to affect tourism and our economy. i have lived and worked and played in this community my entire life and chose to stay here, and i genuinely believe in that. and to see the impact that this is going to have, knowing that my community depends so strongly on our tourism is just heartbreaking. >> just to be clear, we i know we have to go, but did you get any reviews that you weren't performing the way that you should have been or anything like that? >> i received a merit based pay increase this fall, which, if you're an unsatisfactory

employee, you would not receive that. >> amanda mae downey, thank you so much. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your story, and best of luck to you. >> thank you. >> still ahead, a legal win for elon musk and doge a federal judge refusing to block the group from gaining access to several federal agencies. i'll discuss the reasoning behind the decision with a former federal prosecutor. up next. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you? news saturday on cnn. >> won a next level clean swish with the whoa of listerine. it kills 99.9% of bad breath germs for five times more cleaning power than brushing and flossing alone. get a next level clean with listerine. feel the. whoa! >> i can't fight this feeling anymore. >> whenever heartburn strikes, get fast. relief with tums, it's time to love food back.

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williams, a cnn legal analyst and a former federal prosecutor. elliott, u.s. district judge tanya chutkan, in a obama appointee, issued her ruling on a rather narrow line of reasoning. but she said, basically, the states didn't show that they would suffer irreparable harm if she didn't issue the restraining order. what would states need to show to meet the threshold of being irreparably harmed? >> and it's important to use that irreparable harm. language, pam, because to get a temporary restraining order or a preliminary injunction, which is what these folks were asking for here, they would have to show that some action that they're suing about would harm them permanently in a way that they could never come back from. it's the most basic thing that one has to get when seeking a temporary restraining order. the judge said that the harms that these states were talking about were speculative. they had said, well, we think that in the future, if this goes through, then we will be hurt. and the judge says, yeah, that doesn't

quite do it. you have to establish that you're actually harmed or that the harm is so imminent that that that i, as the court, have to step in. they can still come back and they still might. but as of right now, it is a win for the trump team. >> and i also think it's notable because we just don't know a lot of what's going on that these judges have said that, you know, the the doge employees. the staffers aren't using information in a way that could violate privacy laws, because i think a lot of americans are concerned right now of what are they doing with my data and, and that kind of thing. but so far, the judges have said, well, they're not doing anything. we don't see evidence of them doing anything improper with it. right. >> yet we don't see anything of them doing improper with it yet. and that is an important aspect of judge chutkan ruling. come to me with a harm that someone has suffered, and i absolutely will wi, will revise this now. again, it's important to note that this is just a preliminary step. this case is not done and she will rule on these issues once again. but it's also important to note

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expected to happen? >> all across the pentagon. that is the general sentiment right now. doge is now inside the pentagon, working with senior officials to try to get lists, essentially, of all probationary employees across the entire defense department, those employees who have been on the job for about a year or less and therefore have less protections than other employees who have been there longer for possible termination. and that could happen as soon as the end of this week. we could see large swaths of these probationary employees, civilian employees, we should note, be fired across the pentagon. we were told that these lists of these probationary employees were actually due to doge and to the office of personnel management last night, and so they are being reviewed right now. and we should note that, you know, the pentagon has over 950,000 civilian employees. of course, not all of them are probationary, but still, this is expected to potentially impact tens of thousands of these

civilian employees across the pentagon. military active duty military personnel are currently exempt from that. but still, civilian employees, they do serve very critical national security roles in many instances. and therefore, we are told that senior defense officials are trying to go through these lists and determine who should be exempt from these terminations because they perform critical functions, things like cybersecurity, intelligence, military operations, foreign military sales, all of these roles that these employees, uh, serve critical national security functions in. and we've already seen, of course, that the federal government has had to rescind the terminations of many national security critical employees across the administration because they have done away with them in a way that could jeopardize u.s. national security. pam. >> all right. natasha, bertrand, thank you so much for bringing us the latest there. and coming up, we have some new reporting on the white house feud with the associated press. why the gulf

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is and what is taking place. it's called the gulf of america. now, it's not called the gulf of mexico any longer. i just say that we're going to keep them out until such time as they agree that it's the gulf of america. they're doing us no favors. and i guess i'm not doing them any favors. that's the way life works. >> in a statement, an ap spokesperson says, quote, this is about the government telling the public and press that what words to use and retaliating if they do not follow government orders. so you have some new reporting, brian, on how this is. resonating. >> yeah. trump is embracing the role of word police. he is trying to enforce the idea that the gulf of america is the only acceptable name. the ap views it differently. the ap has clients and customers around the world, many of whom recognize as the gulf of mexico. so the ap is not going to back down here. and as a result, this is a stalemate that's now going into a second week. the ap, i'm told by editors and others is kind of

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moving the headquarters to texas to be with its sister company, um, pizza hut. so they're going to have two headquarters now. they're going to have their texas headquarters, and then they're going to have a headquarters in california which houses taco bell and habit burger. but as you mentioned, the company is so synonymous with kentucky. it was founded there. it's been around for 100 years, nearly 100 years. i don't want to get ahead of myself. but the governor of kentucky, andy beshear, he's not happy either. this is what he said about the move. he said, quote, i am disappointed by this decision and believe the company's founder would be to. the company's name s our state's heritage and culture in the sale of its product. now, the company says this is going to affect about 190 employees, 100 of which will presumably be moving to texas if they want to keep their positions, and 90 who are remote. the company says that they are going to open a flagship restaurant in kentucky. but this is not the first major corporation to make a move like this to texas. just look at some of the others that have also

moved their headquarters to texas in recent years. you have chevron, tesla, spacex, hewlett packard. and we know that kfc has reported recently that in-store sales are down about 5%, as they've been competing with other brands like popeyes. so some of those companies that i just mentioned, they say that they've moved to texas for better tax breaks and more business friendly regulations. while kfc has not said that's the reason for the move, it certainly is financial incentive to move to texas. but i know kentuckians like yourself are simply not pleased with this decision. >> i have to agree with governor beshear that the founder would be very disappointed in this move. but hey, that's business, right? business. like you said, it's not personal. vanessa yurkevich, thank you so much. and we're going to have more news after a short break. but first, the latest chasing life with doctor sanjay gupta. >> hey there. i'm dr. sanjay gupta, host of cnn's chasing

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