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newsroom. i'm pamela brown in washington. we have some breaking news. president trump is lashing out at ukrainian president zelenskyy, calling him a, quote, dictator without elections. cnn's alayna treene is at the white house. um, things are really devolving between trump and zelenskyy. fair to say, elena? >> that's right. i actually spoke with a white house official. shortly before this post. >> from the president came out who told me that they were expecting a response from the president, given what ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy said this morning, arguing that the president operates in a disinformation space, arguing that he wished there was more truth coming from the trump team. all things that clearly have gotten under donald trump's skin and issued and prompted really this response. i want to read for you just some of what he said. the post in this post he says, um, that zelenskyy is, quote, a dictator without elections. zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a country left. he also argued to say that

zelenskyy, quote, refuses to have elections is very low in ukrainian polls and the only thing he was good at was playing biden, quote, like a fiddle, he said, of course, without evidence, continuing to kind of repeat some of these talking points from the kremlin about zelenskyy's waning influence. now, all to say, of course, this comes at a very crucial and critical moment in these talks that the united states is trying to facilitate between russia, ukraine and european leaders to find an end to this war. obviously, though, a lot of this came to a to a head this week because ukraine, as well as many european allies, felt isolated and kind of left out of these discussions directly between russia and united states officials in riyadh earlier this week. so there has been a lot of tension around this, and we've seen zelenskyy repeatedly. kind of criticize, um, how these negotiations were taking place, arguing that he was not invited to participate in those talks in riyadh. so there's been some

back and forth, and i've definitely been picking up on my conversations with white house officials, trump administration officials. some tension there, um, through all of this. but this is just the latest criticism really, we've seen from the president also comes, of course, after we saw him yesterday, suggest perhaps that ukraine was responsible for the war again, falsely suggest i should say so. really, a lot of back and forth we're now seeing from the president and ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy. pamela. >> we certainly are. elena, thank you so much. so let's discuss this criticism of ukraine's president and more with democratic congressman ted lieu of california. so what do you make of the latest comments from president trump about zelenskyy? congressman. >> thank you, pamela, for your question. donald trump acts like he is scared of vladimir putin. i don't know why that is, but it is highly disturbing. a few years ago, donald trump said he trusted vladimir putin more than

our own intelligence officials. you see trump when he's with putin, the body language trump sends is one of weakness. and now you see trump giving away the store when it comes to the ukraine russia conflict. and name calling is certainly not helpful. and i wish the president would stop that and show strength. the american people does not want the american president to show weakness. and that's what trump is doing right now, showing weakness. >> so let's talk about what zelenskyy is doing too, because he is firing back at trump before this latest post. he is accusing him of living in a disinformation space of russian propaganda. um, what do you think about zelenskyy's approach? i mean, you know, we've had some on our air who have said, look, zelenskyy has no cards to play here, and maybe he should just cool it. what do you think about that? >> uh, i certainly think that there are ways to say things more diplomatically. however, it's simply a fact that donald trump is spewing russian misinformation. russia attacked

ukraine not once, but twice, the first in 2014 when they took crimea, and because the world, the united states did nothing about it. russia attacked again in 2022. and if trump capitulates to russia and surrenders, then russia is going to attack again. >> i want to turn to other news of the day besides this. um, there was a judge's ruling. this was an obama appointed judge, i should note who said these democratic, these blue states did not show that doj's work would cause irreparable harm. what is your reaction to that? >> so this is still an ongoing case. there's going to be a full trial, and different judges are going to render different rulings. over 55 lawsuits have been filed, and the trump administration has been losing a lot of those lawsuits in court. some of the executive orders are brazenly illegal for this specific case. let's see how the court process plays out. >> they've been losing, but they've also been winning some. and this would be considered a

win. your district includes the campus of ucla, which gets billions in federal funds for medical research. those dollars have been targeted by doge and the trump administration. what impact are those cuts going to have, or are they having so far? >> it's going to have a devastating impact because when you cut nih funding that affects cancer research, not just in my district, but in red and blue districts across america. and one of the problems when you have these random people at doge making these cuts, they have no context for what they're doing. so, for example, they fired a whole bunch of federal employees who they later realized are responsible for nuclear safety. so then they had to fire them. and you have this complete chaos. and none of this is addressing the main issue, american voters minds last year and this year, which is inflation, it's gone up, the price of eggs has gone up, and the trump administration is doing nothing about housing or groceries. >> and that is certainly true,

that some groceries have gone up, including eggs. the white house is arguing that all these cuts the doge is making, all of this will eventually help with inflation. we're going to we're going to see about that, obviously, and we'll stay on top of that. but we have confirmed some of the cuts the doge team has been making. and they do include things besides what we were just discussing, like gender affirming health care in guatemala, teaching people in kazakhstan to fight back against internet trolls, voluntary male circumcision in mozambique, creating work opportunities for young lgbtq plus people in serbia. are these things that you think taxpayer money from the u.s.? u.s. taxpayer money should be spent on? and how do you think taxpayers knew their money was going to these causes? >> so happy to have a discussion on the funding of usaid and what some of these programs are going to, but what the administration cannot do is randomly freeze the funding to all these programs that congress has already appropriated. that's why we have an entire appropriations process. and it's also simply

wrong that they're making these cuts to somehow help americans and making these cuts to give billions of dollars of tax breaks to billionaires. and how do we know that? because republicans just passed a budget out of committee last week. that does exactly that. it gives trillions of dollars, actually, in tax breaks to the super wealthy. >> but republicans and many americans, and i hear from them a lot, say, look, i know democrats say that this is going to help with tax cuts to billionaires, but this democrats have been saying for years, going back to president clinton, we're going to make the government more efficient. we're going to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse. and in their view, they're looking at all of this and they're applauding it. they're saying, finally, someone is doing something about this and they're moving fast. and sometimes you have to do that and mistakes will be made. but finally, they're getting rid of some of the waste. and wow, i can't believe this is what my taxpayer dollars are going to, including some of those programs i mentioned. what do you say to all those

americans? >> i absolutely support getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse. and by the way, both democratic and republican administrations have been doing this. you may remember when al gore ran, he ran on waste, fraud and abuse and talked about rooting out all this waste, fraud and abuse when he was vice president of the united states. and this has been ongoing among administrations. and i absolutely support would argue. >> it. hasn't had the impact illegally. they would argue they. >> would argue it's going to give big tax breaks to billionaires. that's exactly what the republican budget does and people can read it. it came out last week. >> i want to ask you about something else from the white house that this eo that president trump signed. there are a couple. one is, of course, um, consolidating power in the executive branch of government agencies that were created by congress. i want to get your reaction to that, and i want to get your reaction to one more. go ahead. >> sure. so the executive order that puts these independent agencies fully under the

administration is illegal. congress wrote into law that these agencies are to have independence. it's going to be litigated. and i believe that the courts will strike down that executive order. and they've already halted these courts. by the way, a number of trump executive orders. >> i also want to get your reaction to another eo to expand access and reduce costs for in vitro fertilization. you have been outspoken about the need for affordable ivf in this country. do you applaud the president's actions on this? >> absolutely not. there are many americans, through no fault of their own, who can't have a family but want a family. and ivf is one of the ways to do that. and so you have these draconian cuts that donald trump and republicans are proposing that's going to harm americans. again, this republican budget blueprint has massive cuts to what they're calling mandatory spending, which includes medicare, medicaid and the affordable care act. and that's going to devastate the health care of many americans.

>> i just want to be clear. i understand your point about the cuts, but on this ivf in particular, the president signed one that would expand access and make it more affordable, um, for american families. so you don't applaud that? that's okay. that's what i wanted to follow up with you to make sure you understand. >> i support i support expanding ivf. absolutely. >> okay. um, i want to ask you about kash patel. of course, trump's controversial pick to lead the fbi. he is moving closer to getting confirmed after the senate voted yesterday to move forward with his nomination. what do you think about that? that he is on the verge of being confirmed? and what effect is he going to have on law enforcement in the u.s., in your view? >> i hope that mr. patel follows the law. i hope that he does a good job, and i expect all the democrats to vote against him in the u.s. senate for confirmation. and then we'll see if any republicans join the democrats. >> all right, congressman ted lieu, thank you so much for your

time. >> thank you. >> well, new this morning, trump's justice department is telling the supreme court that the presidency could be irreversibly damaged by a court order pausing his firing of a key government watchdog. it's one of several cases testing the trump administration's power to fire members of independent boards. cnn's katelyn polantz joins us now. what more are you learning, caitlin? >> well, pamela, the supreme. >> court. is teed. up to have their say in this. >> case at any time now. it's been. fully briefed in the court, and it is the first case and a major one to challenge donald trump and his executive authority since he retook the presidency. so in this case, it's about him firing someone who had a bit of independence given to him by congress to be a independent authority to look at, look at watchdog complaints, whistleblower complaints from federal government workers. the person that trump fired, his name is hampton dellinger. he

was reinstated into the office by the courts about a week and a half ago, and since then, the justice department, trump's justice department, has pushed this through the appeals courts very, very fast. so now they have to convince the supreme court of two things. one, that it's time to take this case, even if it's premature to get to the supreme court. they're saying that the supreme court needs to step in about this and make sure they look at trump's authority here in firing a federal official, because if the supreme court doesn't, they warn of, quote, interbranch trench warfare. whenever someone new comes into the presidency. the second thing that they're arguing to the supreme court, the justice department, is they're saying that it's concrete harm on the president not to allow him to do what he wants with his powers of the presidency, to fire people who work within the executive branch, like hampton dellinger, the special counsel. but this is just one of many cases that are

testing this sort of authority of donald trump. and there was another one just a few steps behind this one. another person who handles watchdog complaints from federal workers on a protection board for federal workers. that person was reinstated by the courts yesterday. and so these are all going to move forward in these fast challenges. and we await what the supreme court has to say here, especially whatever they will say about donald trump's authority over the executive branch. >> katelyn polantz, thank you so much. still ahead, a disabled veteran fired from the education department with no reason why. she'll tell us how the mass firings are hitting people who serve the country. >> catherine rampell. >> lockerbie sunday at nine on cnn. >> when it comes to family, i always do what's best. my parents taught me that. that's why i called a place for mom. their personalized guidance was

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>> talks about. >> i actually. >> agree with in some ways i think that. >> we are, for. >> example, more. obese as a country than we should be, and. >> that the consequence. >> of obesity, like. hypertension and type. >> two diabetes. i think we do have. >> in many ways more chronic illnesses. i think we over medicate our children. i think there's many things we can do better. i actually wrote a book called overkill when modern medicine goes too far. so i agree with all that. what i don't agree with is that in any way, vaccines are harmful, as rfk jr. says. i mean, rfk jr. continues to claim that vaccines cause autism when they don't. he's now made childhood vaccines a major target of this administration. and that's that's, um, only going to be to

the detriment of children. >> hold on. no, no. kali. kali, i have to let doctor offit speak. this has to be a civil, respectful conversation in order for this to work and for americans viewers to to soak this up. so i want to let doctor offit finish, and then i'll go to you. kali, i promise. go ahead, doctor offit. >> so i think that when, for example, um, he says we have more chronic disease in children than ever before, he says that the incidence is 1 in 36. well, that's the incidence of autism spectrum disorder. there's a lot of interesting cause or causes of autism spectrum disorder, like the infant microbiome or genetic or medicines that women or pregnant people can take during their pregnancy. that's interesting. but by focusing on childhood vaccines, he's focusing on the one thing that doesn't cause autism. and so vaccines, i think, are really the safest, best tested things that we give to children. and that's what is making america healthy again. and i think to focus on vaccines as a target and claim that they're causing harms when they're not is only a detriment to america's children. >> and just be clear, these are

two separate issues. there's vaccines which are proven safe and effective, and we're going to talk more about that. but then there's the issue of chronic disease caused by, you know, the food that we're consuming, processed food and all of that, which, as you both agree on, that needs to be dealt with, that needs to be a priority, of course, which is why in many ways, rfk jr. has gained so much popularity among many americans on that issue. but but i want to go to you, callie, to respond. and also, you know, with this measles threat, is it now a time to promote vaccines, which, again, the cdc says safe, effective, that two doses are 90% effective against measles? um, is it now a time to promote that, especially among children who are being impacted by measles in places like texas and in these six states who are unvaccinated? according to health officials. >> pamela, with. >> with respect, why aren't you asking me about the fact that 50% of teens have obesity? why aren't there? there are. >> other questions for you. >> but we're talking about. >> this after day after day. pamela. it's breathless. it's breathless coverage of of of of

five measles cases. uh, we why aren't we asking why 16% of covid deaths worldwide were americans when we were only 4% of the world population? because the cdc said our immune system. no, it is related. pamela, let me say why. because the entire coverage of bobby kennedy is around measles. the democrats said the word measles 25 times in the first hearing and said the words obesity, diabetes and chronic disease zero time. the hhs priority document under president biden said the word equity 25 times, said the word vaccines countless times, did not say the word obesity or diabetes. there is a problem right now because this is not zero. this is zero sum that we are focused on a very small subset. that's important. we need good infectious disease management. bobby kennedy, doctor offit is not correct. bobby kennedy has said one thing about vaccines and one thing only that they should be studied like any other product. doctor offit on the acip committee has recommended vaccines that have ended up being recalled for causing mass issues to kids.

bobby kennedy has written multiple books not about being anti-vax, but about having good science, and doctor offit is calling him anti-vaccine for literally just saying we need studies. bobby kennedy is not concerned with measles. he wants good policies with measles. he wants to attack the 92% of deaths in united states, which is chronic conditions. >> i think it is fair to say, given his history and his past remarks, though, that he is at the very least, a vaccine skeptic. all right, a vaccine skeptic. it is fair to say, but but honestly. >> science advocate okay. >> and again, doctor, i want you to respond to some of those claims in cali. look, we can we can talk about all of this. and i do want to talk about obesity. so don't make a claim that i'm not asking about important things because i've covered that on this show. i've covered the movement about what kellogg's, what they're trying to do with kellogg's, and trying to take food coloring out of kellogg's. i've actually been on the forefront of covering a lot of these issues, so please don't make that claim. i'm not asking the right questions. >> i will say during covid. cnn covered this as a pharmaceutical deficiency and did not talk about the metabolic links to

covid and how this really was a warning sign for our immune system. i agree, pamela, you have covered this issue more than most, but there is a massive slant to talking about measles rather than chronic conditions. >> okay. and that's your and that's your point of you and your you're entitled to that. and on this show we tried to, um, share all kinds of points of view and different ways of looking at things. so i want to go to this 2016 usda report that shows sugary beverages are the second most purchased items by households that receive snap benefits, while desserts are the fifth most purchased. senator mike lee has introduced the healthy snap act, which would exclude these items from snap doctor. do you think that that's important a bill like this? are you in favor of that? >> sure. i mean, i think that it's certainly true that we can have better health. i think, you know, that we do have an increased incidence of obesity. i think that things like, i think we over medicate our children in many ways. i think that people are reasonably dissatisfied with the health care system. i think we don't

get great bang for our buck with what we spend per capita. i think we compare to other developed world countries. we don't have the same length of, say, length of life, longevity or infant mortality rates. don't compare favorably. sure, that's all true. and i think you can have that and also say how important vaccines are. what worries me about rfk jr., which is why i think he shouldn't be ahead of hhs, is he has been a virulent anti-vaccine activist for the last 20 years. and when he stands in front of the hhs a couple of days ago, what did he talk about? he talked about childhood vaccines. number one, he talked about electromagnetic radiation. number two, he talked about pesticides. he didn't talk about the things that he's talking about here, which is things like obesity or overmedicating children or sugar drinks. i'm all for that. i agree with that. you can have both. >> he gave a he gave a powerful speech about these issues. this is what bobby kennedy is fighting against. doctor offit, as you know, you were the chair at the children's hospital, the merck chair. it was a nascar

driver wearing their sponsors. merck paid your $1.5 million salary. and this is what bobby is saying, is that fundamentally, pharma can create good innovations, but they're foundationally incentivized for children to be sick. pharma doesn't make money when children are healthy. the hospitals don't make money when the beds are empty. chronic disease. just as a demonstrable statement of economic fact, is a great economic invention for the health care industry, which demonstrably makes money when patients are sick. and that's an incentive. bobby kennedy is going hard. after i'm in florida, i'm in a state senator's office right now. i'm actually lobbying for the state snap bills, which bobby is really supporting to get soda off of snap. i think the problem is that the public health community, the merck chairs of pediatric pediatricians, i mean, that is just insane. merck does not have children's interests at heart. merck itself has said billions of dollars in criminal penalties for misleading and falsifying data in the past ten years. >> and by the way, i. >> should for. >> for transparency, you used to be a pharmaceutical rep, right,

kelly? >> no, no, no, i was about 13 years ago was a was a was a lobbyist which included. >> so you were a lobbyist for. >> pharmaceuticals calling right. >> really quick. we do have to go. but, doctor, i have to have you respond to his claims about merck and your ties. >> sure. >> what he does is what rfk jr. does, which is what all personal injury lawyer types do, which is when the data aren't on their side, then they attack the person. i'm not bobby kennedy, junior. >> hold on, hold on. kelly. let him. >> talk for. >> kelly. please. please. >> i want to. i don't receive a okay. it's it's i do not have a conflict of interest. the merck chair is is defined defined by penn and penn. there is no quid pro quo to being having an endowed chair. is anybody who receives an endowed chair an endowed chair would know. secondly, it's like because there aren't the data on their side regarding vaccines, they do it all. personal injury lawyer types do, which is attack the witness. i'm not rfk jr.'s

problem. the science that has continually shown he's wrong about vaccines. he's wrong about that. >> okay. that's all right. >> thank you both for coming on. um, again. okay, kelly, i let you say your piece, doctor offit, i let you also respond, and i, i appreciate you coming on for this spirited discussion. shall we say thank you for joining us. we'll be right back. >> our thoughts. >> and prayers are with those whose lives were tragically taken. >> the dots all. >> start to connect together. >> somebody did this purposely to these people. >> lockerbie, the bombing. >> of pan am flight 103. >> sunday at nine on cnn. >> bukavu. >> and doug. >> you'll be back. >> emus can help people customize and save. >> hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. >> you're just. >> a flightless bird. >> no. >> he's a dreamer. >> frank.

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>> been the target of a remotely similar prosecution. they go on to say mr.. >> combs has been singled. >> out because he is a powerful black man, and he is being prosecuted. >> for conduct that. >> regularly goes unpunished. now, what they are referring to here is something called the mann act. this was established in the year 1910 and it was previously called the white slave traffic act. it was passed. to prohibit the transportation of women for prostitution and. human trafficking. now, combs's team says that this statute is only used to prosecute black people. but i have to tell you that it was recently actually used to convict ghislaine maxwell in in her case. so this is a stunning filing really. but i have to tell you, pam, this is actually not the first time that they have alluded to this. last year in an interview with tmz, combs's team said that this entire case is the takedown of a successful black man. now we have reached out to prosecutors. they have not responded to this

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