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>> and paging. ben affleck. could an asteroid really hit earth in 2032? the odds actually just went up and reached the highest risk level of any large space rock ever. don't close your eyes. don't miss a thing. and don't panic just yet. though. we're following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central. >> hey, thanks so much for joining us this afternoon. i'm boris sanchez alongside brianna keilar in the nation's capital. and president donald trump is making a play for even greater power by trying to make independent government agencies less independent. in a newly issued executive order, trump expands the white house's control over agencies that were created by congress, intended to be separate from the president. >> and in a further test of the limits of his executive power, cnn has new reporting that trump is relying on the supreme
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court's decision last year that granted him broad immunity from criminal prosecution. think of it as a blank check. already, trump's personal lawyers and his justice department have cited the ruling in several major filings to justify their moves. with us now is cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny. he's in miami, where trump is expected to speak later. and we have cnn contributor and former nixon white house counsel john dean with us. jeff, president trump signing this executive order tuesday to bring independent agencies under closer presidential control and supervision. tell us about this. which agencies is he targeting? >> use of? >> brianna, certainly a very sweeping executive order that president trump signed yesterday at his mar-a-lago resort. he's been spending about five days or so here in florida working along the way. and this executive order really is an extension of what we've seen during the first few weeks of his time back in office, essentially trying to finish up some of the business that he talked about during his
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first term but did not get done. but this executive order is quite sweeping because of those agencies that you mentioned. they may have familiar names to many of our viewers. the securities and exchange commission, the sec, the federal communications commission, the fcc, the national labor relations board, the nlrb, as well as the federal trade commission, the ftc, all of these agencies are just some of the examples of independent agencies that congress set up to have independent authority. and yes, they have presidential appointees, but the nominees who serve on these boards span from president to president. they do not serve directly for one individual administration. so this is something now that clearly is something that president trump is using and wanting to flex his executive authority. we've seen it on so many decisions already this year. many of them have been lawsuits have been filed and judges are weighing in on them. but it is one more example of how the president is really
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trying to remake what we sort of view as the modern day government, challenging the idea that it is congress that has control of the purse strings. and one more point on this executive order. it also has a provision in there that that simply anything that one of these agencies does has to be approved through the white house. so again, taking the independent nature out of all of these agencies that control and regulate so much of american life. >> yeah. so much. and john, what's your reaction? >> well. >> this has long been the dream of conservatives. uh, ever since fdr put in place the administrative state. uh, conservatives have been trying to undo it. so this is decades in the making. now, yes. the supreme court did not too long ago rule that indeed, that the white house could have more impact and more control over the regulatory process of the
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different agencies. uh, and this is trump taking a cue from the court, something that they had already laid out before the court acted in. project 2025, that this is what they planned to do. in other words, give the president control over every inch of the executive branch. what's the problem with it? the white house doesn't have expertise in all these areas. they can't jump one day from an scc ruling or a clearance of a stock to the next day. uh, whether or not a license should be granted to somebody to broadcast. they just don't have that kind of expertise under the old rulings. the court said we have to defer to the experts in the agencies under the new ruling. the court said white house can weigh in. >> that's really fascinating. i do wonder what you make of this reporting from our joan biskupic that president trump is viewing the supreme court's immunity decision last year amid his personal legal woes, as a blank
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check to broaden his power and to bring these independent, independent agencies under his purview as the executive. one expert told her that trump's team is completely misquoting and misunderstanding what the supreme court decided there. do you agree? >> i do agree that, uh, that that is too far. this is the case of trump versus the united states, where the supreme court surprised us with a63 ruling that said presidents have immunity from any criminal prosecution, prosecution during their time in office for official acts. so it's not very difficult to envision making anything the president does an official act. uh, and that's apparently the cue that the white house staff is taking. the problem with it is if they're literally plotting criminal behavior, uh, which this immunizes, uh, and they are doing it with the president,
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they're not immune. so if they indeed could be getting themselves in a heap of trouble, uh, when this administration ends, this president won't. maybe he'll grant everybody a pardon who is involved in anything and everything that he did. that would be the only remedy, because they don't have immunity to make these kind of criminal plans. if that's indeed what they're doing. >> and jeff, is trump looking to the supreme court to uphold executive actions that further expand his power? >> of these things? ah. >> there's no doubt they are. i mean, and let's look at one key piece of the language from that ruling last year that granted the president immunity in the criminal case. it's very instructive here. it said, as the court observed last term, congress cannot act on and courts cannot examine the president's actions on subject within his exclusive and exclusive constitutional authority. so that is what the white house and white house counsel's office and really the whole idea and narrative of this
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presidency is using on a variety of things. but the bottom line to all of this, president trump is eager to expand his executive authority. and most republicans in congress who, of course, complained when democratic administrations tried to expand their authority, which they do. they are being quiet, but we've never seen anything, at least in the modern day, like the trump administration is trying to do across the government by expanding executive authority. >> and and firing a ton of folks while they are at it. jeff zeleny and john dean. thank you both. to that point, you're fired and then rehired. elon musk and president trump's plan to shrink. the government is running into serious problems. let's start at the u.s. department of agriculture. the agency said in a statement that it's working on rescinding termination letters sent to employees who were working on the nation's bird flu response, as hospitalizations for that virus tick up. we've also just learned the cdc has been trying
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to rescind terminations of workers who had protections or were doing jobs that others simply could not. a source telling cnn that since friday, more than 700 cdc employees have been fired. also today, the department of veterans affairs is now reinstating about a dozen people who had been fired that worked on the veterans crisis line, a critical resource for vets. over at the national nuclear security administration, a scramble to reinstate more than 300 fired employees who were tasked with managing the nation's nuclear weapons. two sources tell cnn that except for about 25 staffers, all of them were reinstated. most americans are on board with fighting waste, fraud and abuse, but some of the white house's claims about what's being discovered are outlandish, unverified, or just flat out wrong. like this one about social security. elon musk and president trump claim this chart shows tens of millions of social security checks going to people over the
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age of 101, apparently as old as 369, older than the union itself. when cnn asked where this chart came from, the social security administration did not respond. according to the ssa most recent data, the number of beneficiaries 99 or older was actually less than 90,000. that lines up with the roughly 100,000 americans estimated to be 100 or older. other doge claims appear to have some serious errors. the new york times found that a now canceled i.c.e. contract, cited by doge as being worth $8 billion with a b, was really worth $8 billion with an m. and then there's this claim that the white house thwarted $50 million in condoms for gaza trump saying that hamas was using those condoms in terror attacks. that claim made headlines around the world. but last week while inside the oval office, elon musk admitted it
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was incorrect. the contraceptives, which weren't even condoms at all, were actually worth just over $5 million, and they were going to mozambique, a country where hiv is highly prevalent. mozambique does have a province named gaza, so maybe that is where the confusion started. joining me now to discuss this and more democratic congresswoman melanie stansbury. she's the ranking member of the oversight doge subcommittee. congresswoman, thank you so much for being with us. notably, the white house has said that elon musk is not running doge, that he is simply an advisor to president trump. i wonder if you know who the administrator of doge is, and who should be held accountable for some of the mistakes that musk acknowledged will happen. >> well, thank you so much for having me. i think we're. all highly confused about what's going on, and it's very clear that the white house. is scrambling to make any legal argument they can to insulate.
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>> elon musk and. >> donald trump from accountability and the application of the. >> law. >> because they are very clearly breaking the law. and as was discussed just a few moments. >> ago. >> donald trump is trying to reorder the constitution to give himself unchecked executive authority. and it's very clear that elon musk is the sledgehammer that he's using to slash. >> and burn the federal government. >> and just three weeks ago, donald trump signed an executive order, stated very clearly that elon musk was leading the doge effort. elon musk is tweeting about it daily, but in legal filings, they're trying to claim that he's not leading it because they know what doge is doing does not have the authority to do it. so it's very clear that elon musk is behind it. these unverifiable claims that are being put forward in the public sphere, we have no idea where they're coming from because there's no public oversight. and in the oversight committee and the subcommittee that i'm the ranking member for, we have called upon elon musk and even tried to subpoena him. but the
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republicans in the house are blocking it. so right now, the best we can do to stop them in their tracks is to take them to court and to stop the just complete power grab that the white house is trying to do right now. >> there are a lot of cases in court related to doge, and i want to ask you about that effort to sort of block what doge is doing, because when it comes to judge tanya chutkan, she's an obama appointed judge. she declined to block doge from accessing federal data. her argument was that these 14 democratic attorneys general failed to show that they suffer imminent, irreparable harm from doge having access to these sensitive systems. do you have evidence to the contrary? >> well, listen, one of the challenges with these court cases is figuring out how to define standing and how these cases should be structured. but it's very clear that there is
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no american that i have met that believes that a private billionaire who has significant conflicts of interest and millions and billions of dollars in federal contracts, should have access to private treasury payment systems to your private irs and business information to your social security information. and we don't even know what he's using this data for. in fact, the folks who actually investigate waste, fraud, and abuse are the inspector generals. and donald trump fired them all on his first week in office. the experts that we talked to inside the agencies are telling us it is not even possible to identify waste, fraud and abuse. studying these data systems. and in the case of, for example, social security, it is actually a criminal act for anybody to access those data that is not an authorized person to do so. so with regards to the specific court ruling that was handed down a couple of days ago, the challenge, i think, has to do with how the states define their
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standing and the way in which the case was brought. but there is no question that elon musk and nobody should have access to that data because it will cause harm both to individuals and to the national security of the country. >> what would be the consequence of trump executing on this unitary executive theory? the idea that these independent regulatory agencies, or at least they were designated to be independent by congress, the ftc, the ftc, if they fall under the purview of the executive and president trump. what does that mean for everyday americans? >> yeah. well, i think it's very clear that the president believes he is already executing that authority. you see, his advisors like stephen miller and elon musk going on cable news and arguing that they have this authority, which they believe the supreme court has authorized, essentially. but listen, at the end of the day, what it looks like is they're trying to further rig the system. what is the sec do? it
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regulates the stock market. why are billionaires trying to take over control of the stock market? it is the place where money is made. and so i think it's very clear that the takeover of these independent agencies is really about not only a power grab, but about further rigging the system. same with the fcc. this is the entity that regulates mass communications in this country. why would you want to take over mass communications if you wanted to control how media operate and how communication systems operate? so i think this power grab is not only highly alarming, it should be very chilling for what we're facing democratically in this country right now. >> i am curious, congresswoman, because you. describe, uh, an inability for congress to subpoena elon musk to to get records, et cetera. and you are essentially hoping that the judiciary through the court system will block what doge is
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trying to accomplish and will keep the executive branch in check if these cases wind up before the supreme court, though, you know, this is a court that leans conservative. it's one that has shown it is willing to buck precedent. how confident are you that the supreme court is going to side with your view of things? >> well, i think that many americans, not just members of congress, but constitutional scholars, people who understand the law, are very concerned that we're going to see a supreme court that is going to hand over unprecedented power to donald trump. however, what we have seen in the lower courts to date is that even republican appointed judges understand the constitution and are defending the separation of powers. i also want to note that congress does have the check and balance over the executive branch. and right now there is a three seat difference and difference in the
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house between republicans and democrats. all we need is three republicans with a backbone who care about the constitution and are willing to stand up to donald trump to stop him, but so far, we have seen a total unwillingness. and in fact, we're seeing republican leadership not only supporting but enabling this power grab. and i think the warning to my colleagues is that we could lose everything. we could lose our country and our democracy and our constitution if they don't stand up to donald trump and this illegal power grab that he's doing right now. so i encourage the public to continue to reach out to their members of congress, especially on the republican side of the aisle, because they have the power to stop donald trump in these illegal activities. >> congresswoman melanie stansbury, thanks so much for being with us. >> thanks. >> still to come, president trump taking on an ally and accusing ukraine's president of being a dictator. we have fresh
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is not going to have a country left. now, moments ago, we also heard more from zelenskyy. more from him. while he didn't address the dictator remark, he did say the future is not putin but peace. trump's jabs came after zelenskyy had said that trump lives in a disinformation space. in response to trump falsely saying that ukraine had started the war. with us now is beth sanner, former deputy director of national intelligence. and beth, there's actually been some choice words from the vice president for president zelenskyy here that i'll share with you in just a moment, where he's basically warning him about criticizing trump in public. but we'll get to that in just a second. i want to start with trump's post, where he's calling zelenskyy a dictator because it came after trump falsely claimed last night that ukraine had started the war. fact check this for us. beth, can you hear me? >> i'm sorry. excuse me. >> just fact check the.
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>> entire thing. sure. >> no. >> just fact check. fact check about the starting of the war. >> oh, okay. well, let's. >> wind back. >> to the. >> very beginning of this. >> when russia was poised on the border, brianna. and remember that, um, there was u.s. intelligence that was released at that time. and the point of releasing this intelligence, this intelligence said that russia was planning a false flag, meaning they were going to conduct an attack and blame ukraine on it in order to. justify the russian invasion. well, the intelligence community released that intelligence. and what that did was it took all of the plans of putin to say that it was ukraine's fault away, and he just had to go in. so, you know, of course, there's no absolute no justification for this. um, but that is a, you know, it's almost opposite world because that was the plan all along by russia to blame
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ukraine. and it didn't work, except, um, now in this narrative, which is completely false. >> and of course, ukraine, uh, before 2014, this was ukraine before 2014. and when russia was poised there, you can see that it had taken over some land already. so it had already started things previously. and beth trump claimed falsely as well, that half the money ukraine has received from the u.s. is missing and that zelenskyy is admitting it. what he's referring to is zelenskyy saying that ukraine got 70 of the $175 billion in u.s. aid, but that's actually because a lot of that money was paid to american weapons producers to make weapons for ukraine. and it's actually well accounted for. this is according to trump's own ukraine envoy. what is trump doing here? >> i am not sure who is giving him this information. it is not true that the united states has
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given $300 billion. in fact, the eu and the u.s. combined is about 250, and the u.s. and the eu are roughly equal. uh, on this front. and so and as you said, depending on the study you look at and how you count, you know, 70% of that money that has gone to ukraine is actually gone into, um, into americans pockets, into u.s. industry. it has helped us rebuild our defense industrial base. we've opened up new defense lines. i mean, a lot of people say, i agree completely with this idea that without the war in ukraine, we would be so much further behind in preparing for the war on china, because we've given them old equipment and we're building up new equipment with new industrial base factories. >> and then i also want to touch base on what we just learned, which is that vice president jd vance, who did some interviews today, cautioned zelenskyy against criticizing trump in
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public. he called it disgraceful. he said it was counterproductive. um, the idea this is the quote that zelenskyy is going to change the president's mind by badmouthing him in public media. everyone knows who the president will tell you. that is atrocious. everyone who knows the president will tell you that is an atrocious way to deal with this administration. um, i mean, i wonder because we should note exactly what zelenskyy has said here. he has said, uh, unfortunately, that he lives in a disinformation space. i think we should note he did say some kind of nice things about respecting the presidency, respecting trump, respecting america. but that thing he said was no doubt going to get under trump's skin. what was zelenskyy's calculus on that? >> well, let's start with the idea that vance is right about this. and zelenskyy said one thing that pushed the biggest button for president trump that
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he has, which is that he's a tool of russia. and let's be frank, that there is a lot of disinformation in this space that is american, right? like, we don't need russia to make this stuff up for us because we have americans saying these things on their own at this point. so, you know, that is, i think, part of the problem here. >> all right. beth sanner, thank you so much. we do appreciate it. and next, a key hearing that could determine the fate of the federal corruption case against new york city mayor eric adams just wrapped. we are live from new york next. >> lockerbie sunday at 9:00 on cnn. >> so, right when i thought mom would start taking it easy with her osteoporosis. >> boom. >> we moved to this cool new place in the city. >> if you have postmenopausal. >> osteoporosis and are at high. >> risk for fracture, evenity can help you rapidly build new bone in just 12 months. evenity is the only bone builder that also helps slow bone loss, and
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at. >> breaking news in to cnn. just moments ago, the federal hearing over the justice department's bid to dismiss corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams wrapped up. >> cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid is outside of court there. paula, tell us what happened. so the. >> judge signaled that he is likely to grant this motion to dismiss, though he. did not make a formal. decision from the bench, instead saying he wants to give these arguments careful consideration. but he also said that he intends to move quickly. he doesn't want this hanging over anyone. this is high stakes, though, for the trump justice department. this is the first test to see how far the federal judiciary will let the department go and its decision making. but at the top of the hearing, the judge, a biden appointee, acknowledged that he has, quote, little discretion when it comes to rejecting a motion to dismiss like this. it's really interesting. at the start of the hearing, he had mayor adams, who was in attendance, stand up because he wanted to make sure that the mayor fully understood the fact
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that if this case is dismissed, it's being dismissed without prejudice, which just means it could be refiled and that there is no guarantee. and the justice department agreed that they won't take additional investigative steps against him or charge him in the future. so this will continue to hang over him. the mayor said he understood that the judge also had a lot of questions for emil bove. the acting deputy attorney general, who has been the one spearheading this controversial move to dismiss this case. but they laid out once again the two reasons he has previously laid out for why he thinks this case should be dismissed. he said he believes there is an appearance of improper reasoning for bringing this case. he also said that having this case hanging over the mayor prevents him from being able to enforce immigration. now, these are the same two reasons that he laid out in his initial memo to the u.s. attorney here in manhattan, signaling that he wanted this case dismissed. that, of course, sparked a mutiny with over half a dozen prosecutors resigning in protest. now, the judge said he was also a little concerned, though, about the precedent.
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does this mean that no public officials can be investigated because or charged? because having that out there could interfere with their job? the justice department said they did not believe that would be the case. so the judge said, did not want to shoot from the hip. he is going to give this careful consideration, and i think we can expect a decision soon. and all indications in this hearing were that the judge is likely to agree to dismiss this case. >> all right. really interesting. paula reid, thank you so much. cnn senior legal analyst and former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. elie honig with us. your reaction? >> uh, a bit surprising that the judge does seem and i was following on live feeds as well, that the judge does seem prepared to dismiss this case. he has not done that yet, but the judge's questioning was fairly gentle. it was academic. it was theoretical. it was sort of where could this lead? but he really didn't push back much on emil bove when beauvais said there was no quid pro quo, there was no agreement here. i what i would have asked if i was the judge was what if eric adams was
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not in agreement with the administration's political, uh, political preferences, political agenda? what if eric adams said he opposed your immigration agenda? would you still be here making the same motion to dismiss? and i did not see that kind of pushback from the judge here. but look, the judge is correct and doj is correct that there is very broad discretion for doj to move to dismiss its case, very narrow discretion for the judge to to refuse that. one thing i do want to point out, only one perspective was really presented at this hearing because it was emil bove obviously wanted to dismiss the indictment. eric adams, desperate to have the indictment dismissed. but all the people who dissented, they resigned. they're gone. danielle sassoon uh hagan scotten. these conservative attorneys, they're not there. their perspective is not being aired in that courtroom. >> important to point out, these are folks who've clerked for conservative supreme court justices who are on the federalist society. i wonder what you make of this comment from emil bove. apparently in court, he said, unprompted.
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quote, i want to be clear. i think the only question is whether there's any basis to believe that i made these representations in court in bad faith. and the answer to that is absolutely not. he is staking his reputation on this. >> yeah. he's saying basically to the judge, i'm telling you what happened and you have to take it at face value and that's that i. well, first of all, i disagree. i mean, if the judge wants, he n ld hearing. i don't think that's a possible outcome here. i don't think the judge is going to say, well, i need to hear from danielle sassoon. he could do that. but it sounds like he just wants to end this. the other thing is, emil bove comment presupposes that he's offering a proper basis to dismiss the indictment. in other words, beauvais assumes, take it as a given that if we want to dismiss an indictment because it helps us further our policy agenda, that's okay. and that right there is the exact reason this is such a big deal, right? yes, it's the new york city mayor, but it's one case against one guy. big cases come and go. the reason that you saw this letter, signed by hundreds of doj alum is because if this becomes the
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policy, if it's the kind of thing that doj feels comfortable going into court saying, we're going to let someone out of an indictment because they're in position to help us political, politically and policy wise. that is a, first of all, a huge change from what doj has ever done. and second of all, a huge problem. and i would have loved to see the judge push, but he pushed back a little bit on it. he said, well, could this apply to other public officials? and beauvais said, well, it would depend on the case. not necessarily, but there was a lot more pushback to be had there. >> we'll see what the judge does next. elie honig thanks very much. appreciate it. still plenty more news to come on news central. seven people now charged in a nationwide crime spree targeting famous professional athletes. who these suspects are and why a key piece of evidence is apparently a selfie. >> buying a car is. kind of. >> a big deal. you need to see all the options. >> see, she knows. >> cargurus gives you the most new and used cars right in your hand. so you know your big deal is the best deal. cargurus the
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>> 821 4000. >> seven men have been charged in connection to a nationwide burglary ring that targeted some of the biggest names in sports. taking advantage of their very public game schedules to know when they would likely be away from home. the victims included kansas city chiefs players patrick mahomes and travis kelce, and cincinnati bengals quarterback joe burrow. federal prosecutors say the thieves made off with more than $2 million in valuables. cnn correspondent polo sandoval joins us now with the latest details. paula, what can you tell us? >> boy. >> you're. >> talking millions and millions. >> of dollars worth of. stolen goods and the list of potential. >> victims is. quite long when it comes. >> to professional. >> athletes. the seven chilean. >> nationals that have been. >> actually. >> at least they're being charged by the federal government here as part of a nationwide burglary ring specifically targeting these pro athletes. now, when it comes to what authorities have revealed in the probable cause affidavit, they've actually included a
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selfie picture which is showing viewers a short while ago. i want to give you a full view of it here, so you can actually see what the fbi has shared in this selfie. they believe investigators believe these are several of the members of that organization that specifically going after the homes of pro athletes. one of these incidents, including what you're seeing here, roughly $1.4 million worth of watches, uh, some high end purses and other products as well, that were reportedly stolen in early november. that's on the same day that bobby portis, the bucks forward, actually reported that his house was broken into with some property stolen. but then you look at the gentleman there in the red, you see a kansas city chiefs top. well, investigators believe that some of these men were also involved in a separate robbery that specifically targeted quarterback patrick mahomes and also tight end travis kelce at one point. so this is a massive investigation that has resulted in the charges against these seven individuals. and speaking to intelligence officials and
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experts today, boris, they do not believe that this will mark the end of this operation. this is really just scratching the surface. this has been described, including by federal investigators who are handling this as a highly sophisticated fencing network, specifically going after athletes who you and i know and everybody else knows exactly where they normally will be for specific games, especially if they'll be playing away. and that's when they set up surveillance. these organizations, according to investigators, to know exactly when to hit these houses. >> polo sandoval, thank you for the update. we'll see what happens in that case. next, astronomers have just upped the chances of a city killing asteroid hitting earth. the risk level, now the highest ever recorded. there is some good news, though. cue up the. aerosmith next. >> this is cnn, the world's news network. >> ontario, canada. stable and secure. when the world around us isn't. you can rely on us for
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>> you got. >> this. >> earth is now facing the greatest risk ever recorded. a being hit by an asteroid in seven years. according to nasa and the european space agency. the chance of the asteroid, which is called 2024 y r4 hitting the earth in 2032, has risen to a range of 2.8 to 3.1%. uh, that's a little high for me, boris. i'm not going to lie. and this thing is estimated to be between 100 and 300ft wide. >> the esa says that is now the highest probability of impact ever seen for an asteroid in this size range. important to point out in recorded history, asteroids have hit the earth before. joining us now is adam frank, professor at the professor of astrophysics at the university of rochester. he wrote the book the little book of aliens. adam, thanks so much for being with us. so this increase over a 3% chance, should we panic? >> yeah. >> just when you. >> thought things were chaotic. >> already, you know, now we get
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this. um, no, we shouldn't panic, because what's going to happen. >> is. >> as we get more data on. >> this asteroid, how fast it's. >> moving. >> its exact motion, its orbital path. if history shows. >> us anything. >> the odds are going to go down. and they'll probably go down to the point where it really becomes, you know, you don't even have to really worry about it. um, so this asteroid in particular, i don't think is going to be a big issue. but what it shows is, is that there are many of these smaller what we call city killer sized asteroids that we've never seen before, and we're going out and discovering them. and each time we discover one, we've got to check to see if it's got a dangerous orbit, because we may have to try and figure out how to divert it if it really the odds got too high. >> okay, but let me just play devil's advocate here. i mean, why couldn't the odds get higher? is it just because. i mean, actually, we're just this tiny little earth in so much space? is that. i mean, explain to us why you expect the odds to go down.
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>> well, it's because we, you know, it's about, um, the getting better data right now, the error bars that we have, you know, our uncertainty in the orbit is still quite large for these kinds of calculations. so there's still there's so much room for us to be wrong right now that as we get more data, what's going to happen is the error bars, you know, the uncertainty is going to shrink. and when that happens, most likely it'll shrink past the point where earth is in the target zone. so that's sort of what has happened in history. um, when we get better and better data. but of course, we only can get better data by usg the most advanced ly, by telescopes, by using the most cutting edge, uh, kinds of science that we have. >> 97% of the time it works. every time. >> right? >> adam, i think this might be a dumb question. >> that's great. >> yeah, i this might be a dumb question. it's called a city killer. what kind of damage could it do? is it limited to a
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city? let's say it lands in the ocean. are we looking at a tsunami? >> yeah, that's a great question. and it's called a city killer because it's about the amount of energy that would be released if it hit the earth. and probably something like this wouldn't actually hit the earth as it dove into the atmosphere. it would get so hot it would explode. in the atmosphere itself. this the last one of these we had big one was in 1908, in siberia, and it flattened hundreds of miles of square miles of trees. just a few years ago, we had a smaller version of one of these that went over a city in russia that actually injured about 1200 people from the blast wave. so if it hits near a populated area, it can do, you know, a fair amount of damage? it could actually if it hit close enough, it could really wipe out the city. but of course, if it hits in the ocean or something, then there wouldn't be. it would be spectacular fireworks, but there wouldn't be much effect. >> something to keep an eye on. adam frank, appreciate the
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keep it preserved. >> this is obviously a risk that could come with that. if you squint, it looks like a puppy. the nebraska humane society took the possum in. they say its indulgence may have actually saved her life. she is being treated for unrelated lead toxicity, which could have been fatal if she had stayed in the wild. so eating an entire cake has its benefits. the wildlife rehab where she is being treated is now selling selling merch of the viral critter you see there. wanted cake bandit. she's adorable. >> and the reason they called it in to the animal control. because cake, you know, as you know, as a dog owner is very dangerous for dogs and other animals. they were so concerned they thought, oh, my god, have we poisoned this possum? so they called it in. and unbeknownst to them, they saved the life of the possum for some other reason. >> sounds like a heck of a friday night. good time. >> the lead with jake tapper starts right now.
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