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with that cnn poll. it's hard to believe it's been just 30 days since donald trump became the 47th president of the united states. for better or worse, few, if any, presidents have transformed so much so fast. i want to now bring in david chalian to look at what voters are saying. and what do voters think? do they think that this is the change that they asked for? >> well, i think they're telling us that the honeymoon, as much as it may have existed, is over. >> for. donald trump. >> at the moment. you see that he's upside. >> down here. >> in terms of more people, a majority, a slim majority, 52% disapprove of how he's doing in our brand new poll than the 47% who say that they approve of his job performance. how does that stack up to other presidents beginning a term of their presidency? here, you see, this. >> is. >> where donald trump is now, 47% approval. so it's. >> actually a higher number. >> dana, for approval for trump than we ever had for him. >> numerically.
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>> in. >> the entire first term. >> of trump, 1.0. so but the only one that he sort of stacks. >> up. >> better against is himself eight years ago. he still had an approval rating that is below where all these modern day predecessors had started their terms. and the other, you know, trouble sign for the administration is that 55% of americans in this poll tell us that. donald trump. >> does not. >> have the right priorities. only 45% say that he does. >> so these are americans in general. let's look at the key constituencies for the president. >> well, if you look at the trump base, if you will, obviously you would not be surprised. 88% of republicans tell us they approve of the job he's doing. uh, white americans with no college degree. 63% approval for donald trump with that group. whites overall, 55% approval. and men, he's at majority approval, 52%. this is sort of the the trump base here, if you will take a look, though at where he's slipping a little bit with some groups that he actually improved his
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performance with in the last election. younger voters. this is comparing to january, which again, different question. do you approve of the way he's handling the transition. but when the reality comes that he's in the job, you see a real slide among young voters here. this i think, is the most significant one that the white house will watch. you see a slide here of nine percentage points among hispanic voters. and you see a slide among black voters. again, just from where they were in january. >> and what about these specific actions that he's taking so many. so a lot to focus on. >> but so i'll get to those actions. but here. >> the pessimism. >> is on the rise. and i. >> just want to. >> show this. we asked. >> this is. >> up six points just from december. 29% to 35%. those that say they're afraid. and in terms of optimism. this is down six points okay. from 32% to 26% from where we were. not much change on pessimistic or
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enthusiastic. but you see here, more americans now are saying they're afraid of what comes. >> less optimistic. >> yeah. and donald trump's second term. to your point about some of the specific actions. has he gone too far? well, a slim majority says, yeah, 52% say using presidential power gone too far, cutting federal programs, gone too far. um, i think this number in our poll, 62% is the biggest number that is going to give heartburn to the white house prices. 62% say he has not done enough, not gone far enough to reduce prices. only 11% say he has. i think that's a big warning sign. and then we tested a whole bunch of things. do you think they're a good thing or a bad thing? trump's actions. look at this. nothing gets higher than 37% as a good thing. and that's ending government dei efforts actually, majorities say attempting to shut down agencies, giving elon musk a prominent role. 54% say that's a bad thing. and one of the worst things he's done in in terms of this poll saying the u.s. should take over gaza, 58% of americans say that is a bad thing.
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>> yeah, that landed with a thud. all right. we're going to keep talking about this, but we want to go now to the vice president. he marked the administration's first month in office this morning, speaking to a very favorable crowd at cpac. that conference is happening here in washington. >> it's hard to believe we've only been in office for a month, because i think we've done more in a month than biden did in about four years. and thank god for that. but, you know, the president keeps us on a pretty breakneck pace. he always asks, what have we done today? what are we going to do tomorrow? what are we going to do next week? because i think he realizes this is a special moment in time. and by the way, thank you. thanks to all of you for making it possible for us to do all the great work we've been doing in the administration. i know we wouldn't have been here without you. but i think the president is acutely aware that the american people gave us a window to save the country. and that's exactly what we're going to do. and thank god for that, because it's been a hell of a lot of fun the past month. >> david chalian is now here
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with me at the table, as are cnn's jeff zeleny and amy walter of the cook political report. okay, i'm definitely in my my work happy place right now with all of you here. welcome. nice to see you. uh, david, you just laid out a lot of figures and sort of an explanation of this snapshot in time of what people think about donald trump and how he's doing. i just want to ask both of you, jeff, what's your takeaway from the poll? >> look, i think the 62% that david was talking. >> about there, that is the underlying. question that will help. define the success or lack thereof, of the trump presidency. there's no doubt about it. he can sign as many executive orders as we will watch him sign. he can talk about a variety of things, but that is what brought him to office and is what is a challenge for him and the vice president just carrying on his words for one second. he also said during the speech, it's going to take some time to fix what joe biden has broken over the last four years. i've
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noticed how obsessed donald trump remains about joe biden. he talks about him at every turn. uh, sometimes 12 times in the oval office during a 30 minute session, sometimes 18 times, sometimes just a few times at every turn. last night at a speech in miami, the president talked about joe biden always talking about inflation. at some point, the buck will have to stop with donald trump, at least in the eyes of voters, i guess. or maybe it won't. but i mean, that is one of the worries of the white house inflation, the price of eggs. and it you know, a president is not in charge of gas prices, not in charge of egg prices, but they get the blame for it. so we will see if this president is teflon proof on on that subject. but that is the worrisome point for them. 62% is a lot of people. yeah. >> no. >> i think that is exactly right. and the fact is he's been spending the first month talking to his base, which he loves doing. um, he is not interested in reaching. >> out beyond that. >> so i think what. our numbers, the numbers are reflecting is that is his core support.
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>> right there. >> he's not. >> going to. >> lose many, many more. >> voters than that. he's not. >> going to gain many more. but when. >> it comes to both his legacy but also the upcoming midterm election, i think it's also a reminder to democrats that for as much. frustration as they. >> have, what. >> they are feeling. >> right now, watching. >> the doge. >> cuts. >> watching trump's actions. >> and his executive. >> orders. and in many cases, his overreach that this election is going to be driven more by what the cost of. >> eggs are. >> than by what elon musk. >> made the midterm election, the midterm election. right? because it's you know, we are in this unique position in that that's the only election that matters, potentially to donald trump anymore. >> well, right. he can't run again. he may not buy that yet, but uh, but i. >> don't i have not. >> found a constitutional expert yet that thinks he can run again. so yeah. and it has real impact, right? i mean, look, they are trying to get through the administration and the
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republicans in congress, a massive legislative package that is going to be very difficult with these narrow majorities that they have. but they've got one shot here because they're a year and a half away. should midterm, should the environment remain? should what amy is saying is true, that the economy is dominant and people don't yet necessarily feel a change in prices. uh, the history of our country would suggest that they may be the republicans may be in danger of losing the house, and that will change the entire calculus of the second half of this trump administration. >> and let's sort of widen the aperture a little bit to go back to where we started, which is a month, and it has only been a month, which again, is just mind boggling. axios said the following this morning, president trump's first month of his second term has exceeded the wildest dreams of his most loyal supporters, and the darkest nightmares of his fiercest detractors. >> i think that's right, just at the speed in which things have been coming. although there are few surprises in the sense
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that they're largely following the playbook of project 2025 and other things that at the end of the first trump administration, they were talking about doing, wanting to reshape the size of government. uh, and instill loyalists. but i still think the biggest question to david's point about the legislative agenda, that is something that it's not all that sexy outside of washington or the house and senate agreeing on this, but what has been going on here and the president yesterday weighing in on the house side of this argument, it is extraordinary. and that will also define the trump presidency. he's not really engaged in the fine print. um, some of these bills and things, which is a blessing in most people's eyes. but perhaps we'll see how that goes. but the the legislative agenda is something that he's never really gotten his hands muddied with that will determine his fate. >> well, yes. uh, and and that's the more traditional legacy marker for a president. but i think i agree with you that there aren't a lot of surprises and that he's doing
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what he promised, except the elon musk factor and the speed with which and the free rein that he has been given. and our colleagues have done an extraordinary report that you can see on cnn.com about the indiscriminate madness that these people, many people who are on the chopping block or around the chopping block, are talking about the doge claims the firings target low performers and new employees. but the reality is far from it. and on that note, this is something that, um. producer bella rivera found, and i think it's just so telling, potentially as a canary in the coal mine here. jesse waters on another network that very much likes donald trump. he is a very, very big supporter of donald trump. and yet on this, he had a bit of a warning. >> he just found out he's probably. >> going to get. >> laid off. he's going to get doge.
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>> and he texted me and he said, jesse, you know. >> this isn't good. i'm upset. >> this is. >> really sad. >> and this guy is not a dei consultant. this guy is not a climate consultant. you know, this guy is a veteran. we just need to be a. >> little bit. less callous. >> with the way. we talk. about dodging people. >> just talking about his friend chris, who is a 20 year veteran of the u.s. military. we're hearing more and. >> more of these stories. the other issue, when you talk to democrats on the hill, they'll tell you they are getting calls, significant number of calls from constituents, not necessarily worried about their job in the federal government, but cuts to the programs that they're. counting on. and i think that's going to be actually the bigger challenge going forward for republicans is, yes, there will be people whose lives are truly upended by the doge cuts. but whether they're farmers who now have all this grain that has nowhere to go. whether it is programs or health, um, administrative issues in their
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districts that aren't getting taken care of because of cuts to these programs, because there aren't people to monitor them. um, that's going to have an impact much more broadly. that's much more broad than one individual. >> and i don't think it's just democratic constituents. >> they're the. >> ones who are. >> admitting, yeah. >> yeah. >> i think republicans are getting those phone calls. >> i agree. >> and on summer vacations, when people go to a national park and when they start seeing these cuts, they sound great in the big picture on the small. once it affects someone, i think it looks different. >> yeah, absolutely. don't go anywhere because coming up, we had some breaking news in the last hour on capitol hill. senator mitch mcconnell announced he will not be running for reelection. our manu raju will be here with the details. >> lockerbie sunday at nine on cnn. >> it's halftime. time to go to the bathroom. >> never slams. >> shower and count how many
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been in republican politics since his time in office, but notably, of course, being the longest serving party leader in the history of the united states senate, someone who helped usher through a very conservative supreme court was instrumental in. step with the maga wing of his party, who has battled with donald trump over the past several years, notably in the aftermath of january 6th. but this was not unexpected. him, 83 years old at the end of his term here in office, having been first elected in 1984, and when he took to the floor of the united states senate, he did grow emotional at times. >> strategized. >> by and win trusted me to coordinate campaigns to count votes. to steer committees, to take. >> the. >> majority, and on nine
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occasions to lead our conference. the only appropriate thing to take away today. apart from a healthy dose of pride, is my immense gratitude for the opportunity to take part in the consequential business of the senate and the nation. >> manu, i cannot think of a more stark illustration of the republican party moving than mitch mcconnell. he hasn't moved. he's exactly the way he always was. and the party is just really completely different under donald trump. on that note, we did see the senate broke a filibuster for kash patel nomination to lead the fbi. what's the latest? >> yeah, and we are not clear how mitch mcconnell may ultimately vote on the final confirmation. remember, he voted
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against three other trump nominees. he did vote today to advance nomination to a final vote. he did that with those other trump nominees, too. how will he vote on the final confirmation? that's going to be something to watch. but we did see one republican senator break ranks on kash patel. that is senator susan collins of maine. she did say that she could not support him because of her concerns of his some of his political activities over the last several years, and said that he should not be confirmed to the post as the fbi director. that is echoing the concerns that democrats have raised for weeks, doing everything they could to try to delay and derail his nomination. but ultimately they have fallen short. we do expect that him to get the kash patel will get the votes this afternoon to be confirmed as the next fbi director. but this is all, of course, very unusual, dana. typically, fbi directors, as you know, serve ten year terms. typically, a president does not come in and install his own fbi director. and that's precisely what is happening here with kash patel, which is why a lot of democrats are concerned that he would fill out the trump's retribution agenda.
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that's something republicans deny. but we'll see what ultimately happens when patel is expected to get the job. >> yeah. the last fbi director was his fbi director and turned out not to be exactly what donald trump had hoped for. obviously, he thinks kash patel is quite different. thank you so much, manu. appreciate it. so we are 30 days in and we have many, many more to go. what comes next? many of the early actions were mapped out pretty closely in 2025, despite the president's efforts to distance himself during the campaign. we're going to dig into that and what the recommendations are that are left. >> cookbooks. >> corporate fat. >> cats. swindling socialites. doped up cyclists. >> then. >> yes, more crooked politicians. i have a feeling we won't be running out of those anytime soon. >> a new season of united states of scandal with jake tapper, march 9th on cnn. i always wanted to know why i'm the way
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president was ready to hit the ground running on day one. the rigidity and the depth of what they rolled out this quickly is a testament to the work done in project 2025 and other presidential transition projects. um, so we've talked a lot about what they have done inside the trump administration. let's look at some of the many, many things that are still left in this blueprint that was written outside of the trump, uh, orbit. revoke a approval of abortion medication, slash federal funding of natural disasters, stop the fbi from combating misinformation and disinformation. privatize the transportation security agency, the tsa. break up department of homeland security to create cabinet level border and immigration agency. and here's a big one. abolish the federal reserve and replace with free banking, which would mean neither interest rates nor the supply of money would be controlled by the federal
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government. >> yeah, the stock market's not going to like that very much, right? i mean, i assume anything that is going to have an impact on the issue of the economy and people's security. feeling secure about the state of the economy is going to be, i think, one of the hardest things to accomplish. but a lot of those things that you went down the list, no, they haven't necessarily put them into place yet, but you can already see some of the pieces they're on in terms of breaking up agencies, or at least directing agencies to act in a certain in a certain manner. again, i don't think this is the stuff that voters are paying a tremendous amount of attention to, where it becomes problematic potentially down the road for republicans. if a if a disaster strikes the country, which we know we have hurricanes, we have floods, and there is the response to it is
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not great. who gets the blame? the folks who did the cutting of the agencies. there are just so many things that government does. people don't realize that they do. this is going to be it's harder and harder for an administration to walk away from. >> and blame. blame, correct. >> i would also note that some of the things on the list require congress. those are not things that can just happen with the executive. >> i realize that, but some of the things that they've already done, i'm not. >> belittling, i'm not belittling. >> but i'm saying like, who knows if they care if congress should be involved, right. >> but as we are seeing even the dismantling of some of these agencies can only go so far if they are created by statute. we've seen some courts already weigh on this, that that congress will need to be involved. and so it's like hearing about, um, 8% budget cuts from the department of defense. um, i'd like to hear a little bit more how the republicans in the senate feel
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about cutting defense by 8%. some of this is going to come into conflict with even those in his own party up on capitol hill. >> for all the planning that has gone into this. i mean, the work of project 2025 is largely the work that's been done over the last four years. so no doubt they are much more prepared this time around. one big question, though, that i have all presidents are judged by external events that they are not thinking about. and what is all of this reshaping, resizing, shrinking government done for our readiness? i'm already hearing from a lot of people on the immigration issue. for example, a lot of people are being pulled to work on immigration who normally do national security and other things. is this country ready for a, god forbid, an attack? we were all here on 9/11. of course. what has all of this done for the readiness of government? and that, of course, is something that this administration, the external events, often decide. this success or failure of a presidency. yeah, yeah. >> okay, guys, thank you so
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much. such a terrific conversation. appreciate it. coming up, top brass at the pentagon, as we were hearing from david. uh, they may be getting the boot soon from the new defense secretary. what? sources are telling cnn about a possible purge. that's after a break. >> it's the news. >> welcome back. >> but it's also kind of not the news. >> we don't. >> fact check it. we don't care, man. >> why sell the information. >> on this show so terrible? >> have i got news for you? saturday at nine on cnn. advil targeted relief. >> the only topical pain reliever. >> with four. >> powerful pain fighting. >> ingredients that start working. on contact. >> to target tough pain at the. source for up to eight hours of powerful relief. advil targeted relief. >> if you have generalized myasthenia gravis. picture what life could. >> look like with a subcutaneous injection that takes about 30 to
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secretary, pete hegseth, may fire top generals and admirals imminently. natasha bertrand joins me now. natasha, what are you hearing? >> dana, we're told that a list of over half a dozen senior officers currently serving at the pentagon have been provided to republican lawmakers for possible termination over the last several days. and on that list includes the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, cq brown, as well as the chief of naval operations, admiral lisa franchetti. now both have been in hegseth crosshairs in his sights since before he was even installed as secretary of defense. hegseth said on a podcast just before he was nominated to be secretary that cq brown should be fired because he is woke and he is too focused on diversity, equity and inclusion programs in the military. now, it had seemed that their relationship had improved because hegseth, on his first day at the pentagon, said that he looked forward to working with brown, but he is
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apparently on this list that was sent to capitol hill in recent days. also, lisa franchetti hegseth actually specifically targeted her in his most recent book, the war on warriors, suggesting that she was only hired as the chief of naval operations because she is a woman. he said if naval operations suffer, at least we can hold our heads high because at least we have another first. the first female member of the joint chiefs of staff, haha. he wrote very sarcastically in his book. now, rumors have been circulating for weeks that they could be fired. it remains unclear if they actually are going to be, but it seems more imminent now that they have sent this list to republican lawmakers on capitol hill. and we should note that all of this turmoil comes as the pentagon is, in fact, preparing for mass firings of civilian probationary employees across the department. that could be tens of thousands of employees who could be fired as soon as the end of this week. and we are told that defense officials are actually raising concerns with their superiors over the possibility that these mass firings could actually run
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yarden bibas, the children's father and sheri's husband, was released alive earlier this month. now the oldest hostage, oded lifshitz, was 83 years old when he was taken hostage with his wife, jochebed. oded spent his life advocating for peaceful coexistence. his grandson has written about how he and jochebed would transport six palestinians from gaza to israeli hospitals. yocheved lifshitz was released on october 24th, 2023. i'm joined now by the president of israel, isaac herzog. thank you so much for being here, sir. uh, there's no question this is an incredibly difficult day in israel. and i want to read for our viewers what you wrote this morning. you said i bow my head and ask for forgiveness. forgiveness for not protecting you on that terrible day. forgiveness for not bringing you home safely. talk more about that.
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>> well. dana, it. >> is a very painful day. an agonizing day in israel. it's a national mourning day. in a way. we were. our hearts were always, always focused on the little toddlers of the bibas family and their mother. and although oded lifshitz, as you mentioned correctly, he was a staunch advocate of coexistence and peace with the palestinians. and and you have it as well. and they're brave people. but i felt a sense of a of duty to tell my people and tell these families that, um, we we are sorry. we are agonized. it's a terrible, terrible tragedy, which was launched at us by a barbaric terrorist organization, which is celebrating their death and carried out a whole
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ceremony. despicable, disgusting. atrocious ceremony when they delivered the coffins. and now the the bodies are checked at the forensic institute, the lifshitz, uh, body was identified, and his family announced that his, uh, his his identified. and we are all in pain and sorrow, these very moments. and also we are in gratitude to all those who have helped us bring about this hostage deal. i want to thank the american administration throughout the war, from the biden administration to the trump administration. i want to thank president trump for his unique efforts that coerced all sides to get into this, uh, hostage deal so that we can move on and hopefully bring all of them back home. >> and i want to ask you a little bit more about what's to come with regard to this deal. but first, hamas, of course,
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claims that they died during israeli strikes. what does israeli intelligence tell you about how the bibas children and their mother and mr. lifshitz died? >> so the prime minister's office just now issued a statement making clear that the islamic jihad was responsible for the lifshitz, uh, murder. we are waiting for the bibas to, you know, for the forensic approval. so i would not confirm or deny anything regarding the bibas family. this is a very delicate and painful moment for all of us. i remember myself in davos conference of last year of the world economic forum, presenting a picture of kfir bibas celebrating one year, and i will say, though, that, you know, the islamic jihad and hamas have killed barbarically
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innocent kids and their mothers and their fathers and grandparents all throughout on that horrible, horrific october 7th. let's not delude ourselves. you know, there is a girl and she was a one year old toddler. they shot her in her bedroom when they walked into that house. they took why would they take a family like the bibas family? what? what brings somebody to kidnap a mother and two toddlers from in their pajamas? and this shows the cruelty of the enemy that we are dealing with. pure cruelty that must be met forcefully because it's a threat to the or to the ordinary human beings. >> mr. president, there has been so much death. you just talked about the brutality on october 7th, and since then there has been a lot of bloodshed of innocent people in this war. so
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i do want to look at what comes next to try to end it. phase two negotiations are supposed to start again this week. this morning you mentioned the prime minister. he also said, quote, we will take revenge on hamas. how do the events of today impact the phase two negotiations? >> it's a very emotional day. but at the end, you know, we are we are leaders and we have to lead our nations to a better life and a better future. first and foremost, we want to bring all our hostages back home. there are 69 of them. are. it is assumed that, the majority of which are still alive, and we have a we are speaking. i'm speaking to their families throughout these days. we have to get to the second stage of the deal and complete it and bring them back home, whilst making sure that hamas cannot
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rain gaza the day after, because we want to change the trajectory. we want to change the history. we want to change the future of both peoples. >> yeah. and it makes sense. the palestinian people have a right to not live under terrorists. and the israeli people have a right not to live with the threat of terrorists. but i just want to ask about what you just said, because israel wants all the hostages back, as you said, they want hamas to never hold power in gaza again. hamas wants to keep its power in gaza, and the hostages are their leverage. so how do you square these two things, which really seem irreconcilable? >> so if you look at the recent weeks, a lot of things have happened, and i must commend president trump for shaking everybody's, you know, rusty thoughts and and explaining to all that this reality must change. meaning we cannot repeat time and again the same paradigm
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of terror attack, war, pain, bloodshed, and. et cetera. et cetera. we have to change it. that is why we have to think with new plans and new ideas. we do expect our arab neighbors and partners for peace, both jordan and egypt. and the abraham accords countries, united arab emirates, bahrain and others, and hopefully even saudi arabia to come forward with a major plan that will be a basis for a dialog, to see how we make sure that hamas is out and the people of gaza have a better future. so this is exactly what's being dealt with in the oval office and the prime minister's office these very days. >> so you referred to what the president, president trump said as shaking the rust off. it sounds to me like that suggests that you don't think that his. announcement, which was pretty audacious to have the u.s. come in and just remove all the
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palestinians from gaza, it sounds like you don't think that was an actual plan, but perhaps a negotiating tactic. >> no, what i'm saying is it was a zoom in on something which we should understand. and the worst thing is to go and repeat the same mistake again and again. we, you know, we have to remind our viewers. in 2005, israel withdrew from gaza at the instruction of prime minister then prime minister ariel sharon based ourselves on the border. we thought the palestinians will manage their affairs democratically and peacefully. a coup d'etat by hamas took over gaza and it made it into a launching pad of iran. so now we have to deal with two things with iran and how do we eradicate its capabilities in radicalizing the region? and two, is hamas in gaza. how do we make sure that there is a
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different future? now, if we look at it cerebrally the way you presented it, we will repeat the same mistakes. if we come with new ideas out the box. and that's exactly what president trump alluded to. that is an important development. we need partners for that. and we need, of course, the most important thing of all is to bring our hostages back home, open the door to a different future, to the region. >> we're out of time. i just if i could yes or no answer on a very complicated question. do you support donald trump's idea to remove all palestinians from gaza? >> so i must say that since he spoke about it, a lot of things have occurred. the king of jordan was there. the egyptians are working on a plan, and many other elements are dealing with it. and we are waiting for the way the israelis will deal with it. of course, the idea was to see how we can change and get out people who simply coerce the
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life of palestinians into a direction of terror and hate. and it requires a radical change. and we are in a historic period that requires historic decisions. >> president herzog of israel, thank you so much for being here, sir. >> thank you very much. >> and thank you for joining inside politics, cnn news center will start after the break. >> super the christopher reeve story saturday at ten on cnn. >> easy. >> find a pet. >> friendly italian restaurant with outdoor seating nearby and text it to luca. >> find it real quick. send it to the good. girl. this is sick.
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