>> can we put up that picture of steve mnuchin? he actually looks really cool in this picture. it's quite it looks like something that was not taken just a few years ago. it looks like something that was taken 30 years ago. >> yeah. yeah maybe like in goldfinger he looks like he might almost be in goldfinger. right. and that, to me, is one of my favorite facts about fort knox. right? is the fact that the whole idea was goldfinger. the villain in that film was essentially going to make the gold radioactive and thereby devalue the entire thing. so his gold would be worth a lot. that's one of my favorite gold facts. the other favorite of my gold facts is you can actually get gold and rabbits, right? >> there was going to. >> be a point there. you knew there was going to be a prop, and they taste pretty gosh darn good. and the other thing is you can get gold plated medals for finishing the new york city marathon. i didn't finish it, but i did run about a quarter mile. two years ago, my girlfriend actually finished it. she's in far better shape than i am because i ate chocolate on national television. >> a quarter of a mile. my dad does love your segments, harry. we'll see what he has to say. >> we'll see. let me know after

the show. >> i'll send you his review. harry enten. thank you for eating chocolate on live tv. thank you for joining us. cnn news night with abby phillip is up next. >> tonight the right cheers on doge. >> doge is a blessing from the heavens. >> above until doge comes for them. >> we just. >> need to be a little bit less callous. >> plus red flashing lights on the fate of the economy. >> the dow is down. >> more than 600 points. >> as maga moves the goalposts. >> it's going to take. >> some time. >> to fix. >> also, the president marks black history as his administration erases its month and considers erasing it from schools. >> i'd like to get back to you on that. >> and sounds like a new cologne. >> what is. >> the essence of masculinity? >> but maga is producing a new man show for america. live at the table. julie roginsky, abel maldonado, jamal hill, t.w.

arregui, and solomon jones. americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do. good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york. let's get right to what america is talking about. doge remorse. tonight, president trump and his allies are treating their firings inside the government like a game, a show even they are creating memes, throwing celebrations. and the man in charge is using props to dance on professional graves. >> this is. >> the chainsaw for bureaucracy. >> chainsaw. >> would. >> everything's fine. even if you agree with shrinking the government or rooting out wasteful spending. it's safe to say that this process has been

utter chaos, with zero oversight and very little care. and we're talking about people's lives here. tonight alone, thousands of irs employees have been fired, and sources are describing emotional scenes playing out in the workplaces across the country. employees are crying, managers are crying, and many are angry. kicking chairs and throwing books over how they are being treated. all of this during the busiest time of the year for the agency. now at the defense department, we're hearing 50,000 people are at risk of being fired next. 50,000. but listen to one champion of doge who suddenly changes his tune when the cuts hit home. >> he just found out he's probably going to get laid off. it's going to get doge. and this guy is not a dei consultant. this guy is not a climate consultant. you know, this guy is a veteran. we just need to be a little bit less callous with the way we talk about dodging people. i just want to. i want that to sink in.

you're arguing with yourself. not. i am not guilty of. >> that. >> yourself. >> i finally found one person i knew that got doge, and it hit me in the heart. >> well, that same guy lecturing on being less callous has been the king of callousness for weeks. >> thousands of bureaucrats woke up today to a big you're fired! doge is dishing out spankings like daddy daycare. it's like going to your grandparents house, throwing out their vcr and their stacks of tapes, just downloading netflix for them. here, grandpa, you just hit this button here and press select. even the holiday weekend couldn't slow doge down. there was a huge exodus over at the national archives. persnickety librarians were getting doge silly. the dewey decimal system is next. doge is a blessing from the heavens above. >> doge for thee, but not for me, julie. i mean, it's not just him. it's pretty widespread at this point. >> the leopard eat. >> jesse waters face. >> i'm.

>> you know. >> shocked by the. by the way. >> he's kind of in a precarious time slot there over fox. so his previous two predecessors got fired, so i wouldn't be celebrating people getting fired if i were him. because it's probably going to come for him next. but. look, it's this is always the case for people who celebrated donald trump until it hit home. right. all of a sudden, these farmers in kansas who are celebrating donald trump's election now realize that their food is not being sold because of usaid being shut down. all of these people who are celebrating the fact that he's cutting people over the cdc, or he's cutting people at nih. well, guess what? there's a measles outbreak in texas that's affecting their children, and they're worried about that now. there are there's a bird flu, an avian flu that's affecting their livestock and them because it's transferring over to people that's being affected. and by the way, nobody's around to care for it anymore because rfk jr. just laid off a bunch of people over at cdc. so this is not you know, they don't discriminate against democrats or republicans. i don't know who people thought that elon musk

was coming for, whether they thought if you had a it's not like the angel of death passing over you in passover. if you have a little mezuzah on your on your doorstep here, it's it's coming for everybody. they don't discriminate between people who are maga and people who are not maga. and ultimately, the leopard is going to eat their face. and jesse watters found. >> that out, that the federal employees are all in d.c. and d.c. is, you know, kamala harris country, but they're actually all over the country. and, you know, we've seen it in the headlines over the last couple of weeks. republican senators and congresspeople. they're they're hitting the panic button now, just the latest literally today, ohio representative said that the executive orders are getting out of control. katie britt is worried about cuts to parts of the government that affect her state. i was just watching a town hall in georgia where a republican congressman in a deep red district was getting raked over the coals because of cdc cuts, which are affecting his constituents. so it's hitting

home. >> no. >> no doubt. >> in fact, i got some unfortunate news yesterday that a dear friend of mine lost his job due to the cuts. and so i know what it's like growing up in an entrepreneurial family and my dad struggling in this little small business where everyone is a family. and the unfortunate circumstance he had to let someone go. it pained him greatly for that. so i don't want to minimize it. and i think in all of our political discourse, we should never be so callous as to be mean. but i also think you can say that the only way to shrink government, unfortunately, is to let people go. and it has been made clear that this is a top priority of the president. and if every time one area of the government is cut, there's obviously going to be a story attached to it. so i think it's a self-perpetuating issue. and you brought up something interesting about the people that are cut in important departments. i agree there have been some and they've had to go back and forth, and i think doge and if for a communications tip should be more transparent about exactly what they're cutting and be more forthright. >> maybe they should have what

they're cutting. i mean, i think that to your to your point, everybody understands cuts are in fact, actually a lot of americans agree with cuts, right? it's not the cuts necessarily themselves. it's where they're happening and the indiscriminate nature of them. i mean, you pointed out they had to go back, but we're talking about nuclear weapons staff, va crisis hotline staff, cdc staff working in critical jobs at people at the department of agriculture trying to stop this bird flu that's causing my eggs to be $12 a dozen. these are all people they've had to rehire. >> i agree, and there have also been a lot of assumptions jump to about the jobs that people had at that nuclear agency or at the faa and others. so the left has to also be a little pump the brakes on that front. but i want to say, look, this whole started with a voluntary effort to give people nine months severance package to leave, quit if they weren't fully on board and find another job. i think that's actually quite generous in the world i live in. >> not legal, but. >> yeah, exactly. it's like,

what? >> well, we'll we'll soon find out. >> no. >> it's still being. >> there's a law that says you can't give somebody more than $25,000 worth of severance. and clearly that's a lot less than than if you're getting nine months or ten months worth of severance. so it's not legal. it's not a question of we'll find out the law is the law. whether donald trump wants to flout it is a different story. whether elon musk is too doped up on ketamine to even know what the law is, or he talks about it. i'm not disparaging him. he actually says how much he loves ketamine. you can see from that shot that he you know, i'm not making it up. but the bottom line is he doesn't even know what he's doing. these are people who don't even care about the law. they don't even know the law exists. >> i think the key thing that you said just now, though, was people. we're talking about people in philadelphia today where i'm from, 400 people lost their jobs at the irs. these are real people in a city where the poverty rate is right around 20%. and so when you talk about these federal workers, you're talking about human beings. i think that trump and elon musk are dehumanizing these people to

the point where they're memes for people to talk about on the news, like they're just numbers or they're just, you know, things or barriers to get in the way of of his agenda. no, these are people with real families with real bills to pay. and you're firing them for nothing. >> and not only that, i mean, we have to we have to realize, too, that, like with the narrative that they've been able to paint successfully to some degree, that people who are federal workers are these elitist bureaucrats that are out of touch with the real americans and that they deserve this. and that's why there has been that level of callousness now for jesse watters, of all people, to realize that this was going to somehow impact his life. and considering what his entire narrative has been about this people, i'm sorry. and even with the case of the farmers, this was all laid out. so there's a part of me that doesn't have a whole lot of sympathy, because this game plan was in place from the beginning. and when you let people who are unelected, i didn't vote for elon musk to be the president. i didn't i didn't vote for donald trump either. but the whole point is that you have an unelected bureaucrat who doesn't know

anything about how our federal government come in, come in there. and just deciding like, oh, i don't understand this. let's just cut it. the way that he's doing it is what is annoying and people off. like, again, we're all we. none of us want fraud and waste and all kinds of things. but this is such a playbook that we've seen historically convince the people there's a lot of fraud and waste, and that only the billionaires and only these oligarchs can fix it, and then they will go along with it, because they don't know any better, because they think that everything is conspiracy theory. and that's what we're seeing play out in real time. >> but if you look at if you look at how it's going about, obviously the chainsaw. was it's a gimmick that came from argentina. >> yeah. >> but that's and. >> you know what? >> he's he's cutting government. >> yeah. but but wait, but wait a second. you know we have a $36 trillion deficit. the people that know how to run the government that have been running the government caused a $36 trillion deficit. >> donald trump. >> donald trump, donald trump, he was part.

>> of that. >> caused. >> that deficit. >> and they want to raise the debt limit even more. wait a second. that's them. >> there's three ways to balance a budget. there's only three ways you either cut you have revenues or you borrow. >> who's balancing the. >> budget have been borrowing forever. we have a 36. we're going broke. >> are you pretending that donald trump is going to balance the budget? he's not even he's not even talking about balancing the budget. >> i think we're even in the universe because what they're talking about is, to your point, raising the debt ceiling, but also adding more spending. and then they're talking about little itty bitty, you know. >> that don't do anything. >> it's $55 billion in doge cuts. it's not even in the ballpark of what would be necessary to pay for the spending. so that is not happening. it is not being balanced. >> any any business, any small business that has a deficit that isn't prepared to make some cuts and lay. people off. it's not going to survive. >> those cuts are. >> not going to. >> survive. to to jamal's point, though, one other thing. this is on a different topic on ukraine. donald trump ran on all of this stuff. and here is nikki haley, who endorsed him. she's upset

about what he's been doing on ukraine. she says, these are classic russian talking points. exactly what putin wants. she said that today she endorsed donald trump. she spoke at the rnc on his behalf. >> so again, i don't care. like it's not like this is the first time that he's said his talking points. it's not. and so to me, the level of political cowardice now is just at an all time high. oh, so now after the election, you have something to say. you have plenty of opportunities to stop this. so now all these republicans talking in secret about how much how scared they are. that's why i have zero sympathy for them. you knew what was coming. you were on board with it until you weren't. >> and further, they all these people who are now apoplectic, apoplectic about ukraine, starting with the senate majority leader, put pete hegseth in there, put tulsi gabbard in there, who either she's a useful idiot or just an outright russian asset. who knows? but that's she. she's clearly what. >> an american veteran. >> so i thank her for her service. it doesn't mean that

she. >> doesn't qualify. >> it doesn't. >> mean. >> that she asked with no evidence. >> i didn't. >> call her an asset. >> i said that she. i said either she is a useful idiot to the russians or somebody putting these talking points. being a useful idiot means that doesn't understand that she's parroting russian talking points 24 over seven. her own staff admitted that she parrots russian talking points, so i don't care that she's a veteran. so is pete hegseth. they're betraying ukraine. they're responsible for this along with donald trump. >> there are very there's plenty of disagreement in our party over ukraine that isn't new. yes, that is not. but that is not grounds enough for most republicans to have voted the other party. okay. when we talk about government spending. did they vote for cutting government? well, let. >> me vote for pete hegseth. >> by the way. but by the way, we have bureaucrats all throughout our country who people didn't vote for. >> let me ask. let me ask this question because pete hegseth put out a memo saying that he wanted cuts across the defense department 8% every year for the next five years. i've never heard a republican say, i want to cut defense in my life. i

think they want to cut defense. is that betraying the american people? is that betraying the republican party and the values of the republican party? >> i would i would add an asterisk to that because there is plenty of waste. the defense department hasn't passed out in seven years. that's not new. there's plenty of waste in it. i think it is a good exercise to look at waste in all departments. but i do think obviously when we talk national defense, it's more than just the missiles and bombs. >> we're talking about. you and bernie sanders will shake hands on that point. um, coming up next, an awkward moment at the white house when president trump marks black history month while his administration erases black history month. plus, why is wall street suddenly freaking out the flashing alarms and the president changing his tune on the fix? >> it's the news. welcome back. but it's also kind of not the news. >> jenin dana bash. >> do that. >> you know, there's. >> three. >> lesbians on this panel.

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under the executive order i signed last month, this new beautiful outdoor statue park, the garden will predominantly feature incredible women like harriet tubman, rosa parks. we pay tribute to these heroes and to so many others. that's not simply because they're black heroes, but also because they are truly american heroes who inspire all of us. >> now, this month, you know, featured this president blaming die for a horrible plane crash. i also wonder whether, you know, department of defense employees would be reprimanded for attending that event. apparently, it is literally prohibited at the dod to mark black history month right now. >> well, i mean, i did see some of the footage from people posting from that event, and it was great because it let me know all the people i need to stay away from. um, but what i would say is that, you know, he he also mentioned at the same time that there were going to be statues of kobe bryant and muhammad ali. so it just seems a

little hypocritical that you would be doing everything in your power to sort of outlaw the teachings of what, say, a muhammad ali stood for. like, are you going to tell people that he stood against war, or that he stood against these very progressive civil rights issues? that doesn't seem to be the part of it. and what i noticed there from that clip is that he had to read letter by letter about what these people, what these great americans have done in terms of progress for our country, because it's not something he's familiar with and not something that is natural for him. so i consider this to be an insult, a slap in the face. and frankly, all the people that attended this. um, look, i guess god bless you. if you never been to the white house and maybe you looked at it as some kind of great experience, but everything this president has stood for and done, uh, in the last decade or so, has been a complete rejection of what black history is. >> how do you square what what jamal is saying there that this white house, this administration has spent so much time,

especially in the last month, denigrating diversity as even a concept. and actually, let me just go ahead and play this because i think it's instructive to hear exactly what they have been saying. listen. >> i think the single. dumbest phrase in. >> military history. is our diversity is. >> our strength. my son is in a public school. he takes a class called african american history. um, if you're running an african american history class, could you perhaps be in violation of this court order of this, of this executive order? >> uh, i'm not quite certain. and i'd like to look into it further and get back to you on that. >> you can have. die in in water coolers and universities. >> i disagree with that, but lives aren't impacted. >> with die at universities. >> it is. impacted here. i just want the best. >> and. >> the brightest keeping. >> americans. >> safe. >> okay, so you say that and then you throw a black history month event and people are supposed to then say, well, it all doesn't matter. he really

does care about the history of this country, which includes people. it's black history month today and this month, but it could be hispanic history month, women's history month, all these diverse people. >> absolutely. >> what are americans supposed to think? >> i mean, look, president trump is not a traditional politician. i mean, he never has been. he never will be. so today, when we saw the celebration in the white house, i thought that was a beautiful ceremony. i thought it was a packed house there. i mean, tiger woods, i can go on and on. of all the people that were there. uh, i he made it very clear today, abby. he said black americans are legends. going to put some statues up, kobe bryant. >> but i mean governing in exactly the opposite way. >> i think what he's trying to do is on one end, he he knows he's got a huge deficit. he's trying to make cuts and move the business. this big government. >> forward. i'm talking about the denigration of people based on this idea of dei. i don't

they tried to blame the plane crash on diversity. >> yeah, i don't i don't actually agree with that to be very sincere with you. i think he looks at dei more of a let's put that aside and let's do everything on merit. he's made it very clear. he's talked about merit all along. so i really think, abby, that what what happened today was a beautiful thing. >> so i don't i think i think he's trying to gaslight us. i mean, come on, man, you have got to be kidding. >> so if he didn't. >> have it, if he didn't have it today. >> he would be trying. he's trying to gaslight us. he. first he said he doesn't want anybody in government to celebrate black history month. and then he says, okay, i'm going to put on an event about black history month, and i'm going to be the speaker. there aren't any black people, you know, really saying anything about what's happening with him. he tried to use dei as literally a racial slur against us, as if black people are benefiting from anything in this country and getting anything we're not qualified for, and don't have to work twice as hard for. black people have to live in the real world. when the

cops come, we're scared because we might not come out of it alive. we walk into a store. if they let us in, we're followed around. we don't get loans when we have the same credit score as everybody else because we're black. we have to live in the real world. you can't gaslight us. we know reality when we see it. this is not real. this is a joke. that's what that is. >> i mean, personally. >> tiger woods was speaking at the podium today. >> tiger woods said he's asian. >> is that a joke? i thought he would be there for a couple of days. come on, man. >> what? so, you know, um, one of the things also, apparently, the defense department is getting ready to make some cuts. we talked about it earlier. one of the cuts rumored to be happening is of cq brown, the chairman of the joint chiefs. shockingly, a black man. um, this is not surprising to me because i know the conversation in maga world about about that. but the idea that maybe one of the first acts of the new defense secretary would be to ask the chairman of the joint

chiefs, who is a black man who, um, a republican senator just today said has done a very good job and would be he would be surprised to hear if he were he were eliminated in some of these cuts. kevin cramer said a month ago that he knows cq brown pretty well. they've had disagreements, but he thinks he's doing a great job. why would this even be a conversation? >> well, i think tex has sort of changed his tune on it a bit. they seem to be working together, uh, in the early onset, right after his confirmation, he gave him a vote of approval out loud to the press corps. um, so we'll see what happens. i'm not going to jump to a conclusion on that. and also, i hope that even if we that if we have political disagreements with somebody in history, a figure of history, we can still recognize their greatness. and i think that's i think that's very important. so i was glad to see, um, donald trump highlight. yes, great athletes, but yes, rosa parks. yes. frederick douglass i think that's great. um, and we can have the debate over dei, and i think i can go in a million

different directions. i think when it comes to the celebration of black history, i think the president's signal today was he doesn't want to see it erased from our conversation in our country. >> but that's not what his actions say. because, abby, you can correct me if i'm wrong here. >> i just said it. look, the government didn't. >> he didn't. he promised to pull funding from from institutions that teach. >> yeah. i mean, we have the headline. >> here's the headline. he believes in black history. why is he threatening to pull funding from the institutions that are. >> giving schools a deadline to end dei programs, or risk losing federal money? we just talked about? >> that's not that's not dealing with black history month. >> yeah. but let me tell you about black history month. okay. black history month is banned at the at the defense department. it's banned at the transportation department. dod schools are reportedly experiencing books being pulled off of the shelves if they deal with issues of diversity, if they deal with issues of just people being different. and one of the first hair having freckles. >> one of the first things that he did in terms of his executive orders was to sign one that did

away with, um, a rule that banned discrimination in federal contracting. it was a 40 year old rule that one of the first executive orders he signed was to get rid of that. >> i know people, however, last four years under biden get their federal contracts axed because they were sent notices without them even knowing they were coming, that their companies weren't diverse enough. so they lost the contract mid contract. so there is always going to how. >> do you how do you tell people you can now discriminate against people when that was a that was a, that was a well that's what he did. he signed an executive order doing away with a 40 year old rule that said, you cannot discriminate in federal contracting. >> look. >> how do you explain that? >> look, i'm i do not i all i can say is the last four years we saw people losing their contracts for, quote, unquote, lack of diversity without any benchmarks or knowledge set of what that ought to look like. people ought to be, given that, that information. but you would know that they work different ways, right?

>> you would agree that those are two different sets of problems, that that. >> sure. >> but nondiscrimination nondiscrimination laws are designed to protect people from being punished for their, you know, their race, their gender, their ethnicity, whatever it is. what's the opposition to that? i mean, that actually should theoretically also protect white people, too. you ought should. >> you should never be judged by the immutable characteristics of yourself. and i think the point for the president has been throughout this entire campaign, and jd vance has also made this a huge point, right. that it has that identity politics has really become the center of politics for the left. and we are only judging people. >> they're the ones always. trafficking in identity politics. >> that's jargon. >> that's right. they're the ones always doing it. >> the reality is. >> but here's how. here's how it works in practice, right? this is and you know, this is how it works in practice. if you are an. african american in a high role anywhere in this government, maga thinks you're

there purely because of the color of your skin, not because of the merit that you got there on. right. that is the case. it is the case consistently. you've heard consistently you've heard that rhetoric privately. you know, you've heard that rhetoric. heard that really will. i have, you know, from all the years that i hung out with maga people, believe me, i have. and the answer was always, oh, so and so is only there because of her skin color. so and so is only there because she's a woman. so and so is only there because they need a token gay guy consistently, as opposed to looking at people and saying maybe so and so is there because she's qualified or he's qualified and that's how it should work. but there is reverse discrimination happening now where people are getting pushed out purely because of the color of their skin, because they're automatically assumed to be dei candidates, as opposed to the most qualified person in the room. >> all right, guys, uh, coming up next. alarm bells from walmart send a chill up of wall street's spine as president trump is shifting his promises on fixing the economy. not now, but maybe later. another special guest is going to join us in our

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down fast. prices could go up somewhat short term, but prices will also go down. >> consumers are going to see lower prices at the pump and at the grocery store, but it's going to take a little bit of time. rome wasn't built in a day. >> i've been here for three weeks. i had nothing to do with inflation. this was caused by biden. i had four years of virtually no inflation. >> we're still going to see some memory of biden's inflation. it's not going to go away in a month. >> joining us in our fifth seat at the table is cnn global economics analyst rana foroohar. she's also a global business columnist and associate editor at the financial times. rana, here we go again. they are they're doing this again. we have a new poll at cnn that shows 52% of americans disapprove of trump's handling of his job, and 49% don't see tariffs as positive. they also don't think that he's focused enough on prices which are going up. >> they're going up. >> and, you know, to be fair. >> they were. going up before. >> he came into office. but some of the policies he's putting

forward. tariffs cracking down on migration which you know you can like that or not. but one of the reasons that labor inflation wasn't higher in the last. >> few years is. >> because the u.s. has a lot. >> of migration. >> um, geopolitical. >> strife. >> a sense of uncertainty. you know, i mean, yes, businesses are happy with. >> the. idea of tax cuts and deregulation, but i'm. >> hearing from more. >> and more businesses. >> that are like, what's going. >> on at the regulatory agencies. >> there's chaos there. >> do they even exist? >> do they exist? how are we are we going to be able to get the permit that we need for this or that investment? so that level of uncertainty is making people very anxious? >> yeah. um, lots of weird scuttlebutt, to be honest, going around this week. you got howard lutnick saying he wants to get rid of the irs. you've got them talking about a doge check, which, last i checked, i don't know, maybe might add to inflation. really? what is the plan and why are they not actually executing on it? >> well, i find it funny that we're taking i'm going to get inflation down on day one as

like a serious thing that he was like actually come on. >> he kept. >> repeating donald trump exaggerating a claim. of course he does that. but like. >> we like look, i'm. >> not. >> you know, look, i'm not trying to we don't think he's going to wave a magic wand. right? the president does not control inflation. but i would have thought maybe on day one he would have done what he did, like what he did on all these other issues and say, here is the plan, here is how i'm going to attack this issue in all of these different areas. that didn't happen. >> what i, what i have, what i find fascinating doge cuts, bad tax cuts, bad doge rebates of our squandered tax money, bad. tariffs bad. so he he's been doing a bunch of stuff. he's making moves on energy and energy production. those are all factors in the economy. and i might want to mention that we can have the debate over tariffs all we want. that's fine. but tariffs are anti-inflationary by nature with the strengthening of the dollar. and scott bessent has made that. scott bessent has made that a pillar of his reasoning. >> listen, historically, first

of all, tariffs are a blunt instrument. right. and i you know, i, i have not been anti-tariff i do think there's a place for tariffs when you're talking about very specific things, very specific practices. but when you're talking about blanket tariffs that affect complex supply chains where there are tons of inputs and outputs, it is really hard to say. and the proof will be in the pudding, but it's really hard to say that they're going to be anti-inflationary. most people think that they're going to raise inflation. most companies think that. >> i want to play, actually, because you brought up the doge tax. let's play with kaitlan collins asked kevin hassett about this at the white house today. >> is there a concern, as you're thinking through this, that there could be inflationary? >> oh absolutely not. because imagine if we don't spend government money and we give it back to people, then, you know, if they spend it all then you're even. but they're probably going to save a lot of it, in which case you're reducing inflation. and also with the government spends a lot. that's what creates inflation. we learned that from joe biden. and so if we reduce government spending then that's, you know, reduces inflation. and if you give people money then they're going to save much of it. and when

they save it, then that also reduces demand and reduces inflation. >> okay, i have not. that's a new one. >> i'm going to leave this to ron. i'm not an economist, but that doesn't make any sense. >> there was a lot there. listen it depends. >> i mean. >> you know, there's a couple of things here. for starters, it pains me because the trump administration is always saying, oh, biden created inflation. one of the reasons he created inflation is with the stimulus. well, stimulus checks went out to individuals and they did spend some of it. now, whether you spend or save depends on what kind of economic environment you're going to be in. and right now, economist some economists are worried about inflation. others are worried about recession. so we're in a very odd moment right now. it's going to be difficult to predict. >> what this thing into their savings now because things are getting so expensive. >> let's let's ask the american people what they think about it. getting a $5,000 doge check every household. i think people would be very excited about that. >> nobody's going to turn down money. right. but the question is, is that going to help or hurt the inflationary picture in

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with your friends, or because you're competitive. or cultural message is, i think that it wants to turn everybody in, whether male or female, into androgynous idiots. i think about like, what is the essence of masculinity? you could answer this in so many different ways. but when i think about me and my guy friends, we really like to tell jokes to one another. like we like to laugh. >> solomon is back with us. so all this is about being able to tell jokes. >> let the man handle this one. >> so tell us what we're missing here. >> well, i think we're missing a lot because i think that masculinity is power. but i think it's power under control. i think it's it's knowing who you are, um, and not having to brag about it. i think it's it's, um, being able to take what you want, but having the discipline to actually ask for it. i think it's being able to really relate to women in a way

where you understand what they want. but but you have enough discipline and wisdom to kind of stand back and let them figure it out for themselves. i think that masculinity is is a work in progress. it's not doesn't have any one definition. when he talks about telling jokes, i'm wondering telling jokes about what? telling jokes about what? >> i'm wondering. >> what are you. >> talking about? let me play this other part of what he said, because i think it also fills out the picture of where he thinks trump fits into this. >> i think. >> this is why young men in particular are so, you know, so inspired by president trump is because he doesn't allow the media to tell him he can't make a joke or he can't have an original thought. president trump just says what's on his mind. that's a good thing. and it's a good example to set for young men in american culture. >> i mean, i think you would agree that trump also insults people in childish ways and doesn't take jokes. well, i mean, these are also things that trump does. i mean, is that the role model? >> i think president. trump

likes to exaggerate on a lot of things. i mean, we've seen it all along, but you have a situation here where you look at the campaign. the young vote was huge for donald j. trump. it was huge. and what caused that? and it's what jd is talking about a situation where where did donald trump go? he went to the ufc fights. he had hulk hogan with him. i can go on and on. >> and on. masculinity is hulk hogan. >> all these things which which brought in the young vote to donald j. >> young male vote. >> young male vote. >> i'm sorry. >> to be clear. >> trump. trump lost young voters. he what? he lost young voters, but he made massive gains among. >> but what? >> i don't have the numbers. i mean, he did better among young male voters. to janelle's point, uh, against harris than he did against biden. so that was the change. >> yeah, yeah. look, being a man is being rugged, resilient, reliable in my mind. okay. but i think that and i was just saying this earlier that i think john fetterman also echoed this point, that the left really

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those kind of things that that was the thing that people were a little bit disgusted by. and it seems like every time i hear somebody say cancel culture or they're not letting me be a man, i always wonder, what is it that you really want to say? what is it that you're being held back from saying that you think is so poignant that you can't say, what is the joke that is so funny that you need to tell people? >> if you saw that, and i'm sure it's similar, well, maybe i don't know how frequent you guys are on instagram, but if you saw the memes that are sent around in different groups, they're just inappropriate. i couldn't you couldn't show them. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> and by. >> the way, i care about those kind of things. >> i got. >> this idea that we're trying to limit male expression, or that there is some kind of, uh, you know, force that's saying, like, oh, you guys can't hang out with your friends. look, my husband, i see how they hang out. like, i don't really care about those things. but i think what he's defining there is that it's something a little bit more nefarious, because as

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president we've ever had, andrew jackson. and let's have i figure that out. >> the accent came out for. >> that, right? yeah. oops. oops. okay, so speaking of andrew jackson, kyle hamilton, a safety with the baltimore ravens, he proposed an amazing idea over twitter. or amazing question rather, which is he wanted to know. he said not trying to be political, but if all 45 presidents were in a royal rumble, who would win? and for those who are not familiar with the royal rumble, it is professional wrestling. and basically you have 30 or so wrestlers get into a ring and whoever is the last person standing who wins my pick your guy, andrew jackson, because. he's, well, not your guy. i mean, terrible human being, but insane enough to win this. >> a brawler. >> he's a brawler, like yo degenerate gambler. he has all the traits of somebody who would win something like this. sneaky good pick. uh, but i think that abe lincoln would be a favorite among a lot. >> of people. >> with the height and the wrestling. >> everybody look that up at home. all right, go ahead.

solomon. >> all right, so my epic matchup is on a t shirt i have at home. philly versus everybody i don't know if y'all know we just won the super bowl i just you know, just in case you didn't. >> hear the polls. >> no i don't climb the polls. i'm a little too old for that. i let the young guys do that. but that's my favorite epic matchup. you know you want you want fights. we got frazier, we got rocky. you want tough, we got kensington. you want winners. we got next. >> all right julie. >> all right i'm going to be quick. my husband and i never fight about anything except this one thing. rolling stones versus the who. the answer is clearly. clearly the who. my husband, my divorced me for saying that because he completely disagrees, but it's so obvious it's not even. >> i'm with the i'm with husband. all right. >> go ahead. >> abby would be arnold schwarzenegger, who i was lieutenant governor with and hulk hogan. just imagine that six foot seven, 300 pound arnold schwarzenegger, 28 inch arms going at it. that would. >> be epic thinking. >> i'm thinking arnold.