>> all right, so my epic matchup is on a t shirt i have at home. philly versus everybody i don't know if y'all know we just won the super bowl i just you know, just in case you didn't. >> hear the polls. >> no i don't climb the polls. i'm a little too old for that. i let the young guys do that. but that's my favorite epic matchup. you know you want you want fights. we got frazier, we got rocky. you want tough, we got kensington. you want winners. we got next. >> all right julie. >> all right i'm going to be quick. my husband and i never fight about anything except this one thing. rolling stones versus the who. the answer is clearly. clearly the who. my husband, my divorced me for saying that because he completely disagrees, but it's so obvious it's not even. >> i'm with the i'm with husband. all right. >> go ahead. >> abby would be arnold schwarzenegger, who i was lieutenant governor with and hulk hogan. just imagine that six foot seven, 300 pound arnold schwarzenegger, 28 inch arms going at it. that would. >> be epic thinking. >> i'm thinking arnold.

massacre elon musk reveling in his role even as some republicans start to close their eyes. plus, he's the pick the democrats feared most. trump loyalist kash patel now confirmed you can call him the fbi director. so the big question what will he do now? and the former nfl punter who went viral for a stunning political protest. he's going to join me tonight right here on laura coates live. well, the cats, they keep coming. the horror story is getting worse for many federal workers. but on the maga stage, it's all fun and games, and a meme is made into reality. >> thank you.

>> for. this is the chainsaw for bureaucracy. chainsaw. >> hmm. >> wow. >> elon musk, fully embracing his role as the doge version of apparently leatherface. charged with slashing the federal government. his fans at the conservative conference. they loved it. but at the agencies, he's gutting. it's a very different story. i mean, take the irs, for example, where the doge chainsaw has cut thousands of people. many are, quote, arguing with management, throwing books, kicking chairs in frustration. they don't have a clue. a clue where their next paycheck is going to come from. employees and managers are crying now. for the first month of the trump's second term, his gop allies have been in lockstep to push to downsize. or they might say right size. but the cuts, they are getting much

deeper. and you know what? cracks are starting to form. gop senator bill cassidy is warning about big firings at the fbi. the agency is certainly on edge with now kash patel, the new director. congressman don bacon also wants the chainsaw to. well, slow down. you know, look twice before cutting the tree to a stump. he says the administration has already had to backtrack, not once, but multiple times. you know what? he's right. they're pressing the undo button after firing workers who are fighting the bird flu outbreak. those who are overseeing the nation's nuclear stockpile and handling the crisis hotline at the veterans affairs department. oops. even some of the trump faithful at fox news whistling a different tune. >> he just found out he's probably going to get laid off. he's going to get dodged. and he texted me and he suggested,

you know, this isn't good. i'm upset. this is really sad. and this guy is not a dei consultant. this guy is not a climate consultant. you know, this guy is a veteran. we just need to be a little bit less callous with the way we talk about dodging people. >> oh, the chainsaw is not funny. look, dodging people isn't the only issue where republicans are swaying. trump is openly elevating vladimir putin. he's putting ukrainian president zelenskyy on the bench. and for senator thom tillis, that is a big no no. >> whoever believes that there is any space for vladimir putin in the future of a stable globe, better go to ukraine. they better go to europe. they better invest the time to understand that this man is a cancer and the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. >> now, to be clear, most

republicans, they're still backing trump. and to be clear, tonight, he's promising them another win. >> in presidential races. they say when you win the presidency, usually the midterms don't go well. i think we're going to do great. >> okay. well, joining me now, former republican governor from new hampshire, chris sununu, who joins us now. governor, thank you for joining. let me go to this moment because, you know, even some in your own party are starting to question some of these cuts. the principle of downsizing or rightsizing might be what they applaud. but the devil being in the details, do you worry at all that some of these cuts are too deep, too reckless, too shortsighted? >> uh, i think what some folks are bringing up has validity. i think we all want to see it go quickly. there's no doubt about it. they're going fast and hard for for a very specific reason. because, frankly, for 25 years, congress had the ability to find efficiency and fraud and waste, and they refused to do anything.

is that why fast and. >> hard, governor? is that why you want to go? i mean, is that the only reason? go quickly, or is that something different? >> no, no, the main reason to go quickly is to send a very clear message that everybody in the federal government is on notice. nobody is supposedly immune. they're not just picking one agency or one department based on politics. they're really making sure that there's. and what they're finding, it's not just about efficiency, right? there's so much more waste and fraud and corruption than i think they even expected. so they're going to go hard. now clearly they're going very fast on certain agencies and certain employees that should be be thought twice of. and i think their strategy up until this point has been, look, we're going to go fast and hard and force people to justify why they should remain in existence, force people to justify why their agency has validity, what the value to america is and whatnot. they're clearly going a little too a little too much here. so my sense is there will be some other folks that step in, whether it's susie wiles and some other folks in the administration say, okay, let's pull back just a little bit.

let's add another layer. but they're not going to slow down per se. i think they'll just be a couple extra internal checks and balances. they haven't even really gotten to hhs or the defense department or all these other agencies where there's hundreds of billions to be saved. >> well, governor, how do you think people could prove their merit and worth if they're going at a neck break pace? how what would that look like? imagine it was your administration as the governor and you're head of the executive branch in your own state. right. imagine what that would look like for people under your umbrella. how would they prove that they ought to be there? >> i would tell every agency, here's the deal. you have two weeks to put together a two page summary about what your value is, what your costs are, how are you managing them, how you find waste and fraud within yourselves. you know, to to prove that not just there's value there, but you're doing the right things internally by the taxpayer dollar and the net savings. but again, americans aren't really complaining right now. they're really not. they like that something is happening. they even appreciate.

maybe it's going a little a little aggressively fast, but it's better than nothing. and we've had nothing for too too long. so there it's an engineering. it's an engineering strategy. you have to make sure you're eliminating things that shouldn't have been justified in the first place. and then you go into efficiency and optimization. and he's an i'm an engineer. he's an engineer. in this case, again it's jobs. and there's a lot to get through there. that's the main reason why they're going so fast. they only have 18 months, right? doge only exists for 18 months. and they have to go through $7 trillion of spending that has been buried in bureaucracy. never had accountability before. so there's a lot to dig in. >> you know, i know there's a lot of thought about the popularity of what musk is doing. there is a cnn new poll, though, that shows that 54% of americans think 54% think that giving musk a prominent role is a is a bad thing. so is he becoming a kind of political liability in spite of that? i mean, the poll, by the way, also showing that 55% think that

trump does not have the right priorities, 62% think they are not doing enough to to bring down prices. so how do you balance all of these things? >> sure. well, you know, one thing i tell people on both sides of the aisle, you have to take personality out of it. i don't care whether you like trump or not. i don't care whether you like musk or not. look at the results they're bringing. look at the actions they're taking. and then let's have a discussion on that. a lot of people may or may not, may or may not like musk and trump or kamala harris or joe biden for all these other reasons. but let's look at the merit of what they're doing and the results that they're bringing. and government has to be all about results. so that's the push, the pushback i would give there. i don't care whether you like elon or not. he's doing what no one has had the guts to do for a while. he's only an outsider and a non-politician who's not care about getting reelected to something would have the courage to do, and the smarts to do it. we owe 36 trillion. the government doesn't owe that money. laura. you do. my neighbor does, i do. we all owe 36 trillion, and we have to get it under control. do you know

that's the equivalent of giving someone $100 a second for 11,000 years? that's what we owe. it's a real number. so these guys are saying there's a path to a balanced budget, but it takes someone with the courage to make tough decisions like you do in your family or a business owner. does, or a or a state government does, because all governors actually do this. you know, all the republican governors wrote trump a letter in january saying, we have balanced budgets. we found efficiency. we know how to do what you're about to start. lean on us for for the help and the assistance to find where this waste is. and i think that's where the president's visit to the republican governors association today. i think he probably yielded a lot of good results. >> i wonder if what he will learn from them. he will implement through a non governor, who is, of course, elon musk. but you know, trump has been joking and he keeps joking frankly, governor, about a third term. but you know who is not his former adviser steve bannon. listen to this. >> in the future of maga is

donald j. trump. we want trump in 28. >> very quickly governor, would you be in favor of, of course, amending the 22nd amendment to allow trump to serve a third term? i think the question you said no, there you go. well, then why is this? why is bannon. >> steve bannon says, i'm sorry because the advisory thing here. >> so that's a bunch of nonsense. this is going to be what was already leaning up to be an incredibly productive for years. now. we've got a long way to go, right? we're 34, 40 days into this thing and look at how much that that they've they've pushed so far. so he's going to have to lean on congress, get stuff passed through congress. there's a long way to go here, but no one's looking for for a third term. >> governor, please come back when you can form an opinion, particularly about steve bannon. okay. thank you so much. thank you. coming today. we are, as the governor said, a month into

trump's second term. and according to a new cnn poll, 52% of americans say the president has gone too far in using his presidential power. i want to bring in republican strategist lance trover and cnn political commentator jamal simmons. glad to have you both here. i'll begin with you, lance. um, trump and musk, they have been boasting about the pace of these cuts. but i want you to listen to a 9/11 first responder who i spoke to last night who had helped secure federal funding for the world trade center health program. >> they have no legitimate argument to cut 20% of the staff of those affected by the aftermath of 9/11 heroes and survivors, those who worked and went to school in lower manhattan, and the cops and the firefighters would. stage three, stage four or more than one cancer. this is this is repulsive. at its highest. >> i mean, you know that there are more and more decisions

being reversed. is this and is there a question of of competence with this doge purge lance. >> no, i mean, look, change is hard. breaking up the status quo, breaking up this, this whole, this administrative state has had on this country for umpteen years is hard. it's going to be difficult. they've acknowledged as much, elon said last week in the oval office that look, yeah, we're moving fast. you heard the governor talk about it. they need to move fast. and and elon acknowledged in the oval office meeting that look that things are going to get broken. but when those things get broken and they recognize they shouldn't be, they will correct those. you referenced several of those things here prior. but look, yeah, it's change is hard. and and breaking up this administrative state is hard. but it has to be done. and donald trump has been committed to doing it from day one. and i don't think elon musk is worried about his poll numbers, to be completely honest. i think this is a guy who's coming in to try to do the right thing and get this government under control. and it's and look,

he's doing a good job right now. so i you know, i don't think he's worried about i wouldn't underestimate this guy who's the richest guy in the world and had a lot of success. he moves fast, he moves hard. but he has been successful in almost everything he's ever done. >> god, that's like the synopsis for fast and furious, number 27. let me ask you though, jamal, are you in this camp of break first and then rebuild later? >> no, i was listening to governor sununu say that he was he's an engineer. and, you know, elon musk is an engineer. i'm from detroit. i'm not an engineer, but i know something about cars. and if you the engine out and you the brakes out, that car is going to crash, right? that's not a way to actually fix a car. you don't go around just grabbing things and throwing them away. i have always spent my career in government worried about american competitiveness, american strength, what they're doing right now is putting americans at risk. i've got a friend whose brother was in usaid. i can't say his name because they asked me not to. they can't say what country he went to because they asked me not to. but they were in a country owed people money because they had staff. they had vendors that they were supposed to pay. money dried up. they

weren't going to be able to do it. they had to basically scuttle this guy out of the country as fast as possible to make sure he wasn't going to be held accountable and maybe kept in detained in the country because the american government stopped paying his bills. right. they're putting americans at risk. you talked about bird flu. we talked about nuclear armaments. we talked about veterans who are calling the crisis line, and people can't answer the phone. the first duty of the president is to keep americans safe. that's not what's happening. >> well, let me ask you this as part, um, because you got a quinnipiac university poll, it found only 21% of voters approve of the way that democrats in congress are doing their job. um, but this, i think, would probably inure to the detriment of something like the republicans as well. are you suggesting that because this has been so slow in the past, which has 25 years, you mentioned beyond is if the if the work of one person can replace 435 plus 100, don't republicans worry a

little bit about being rendered obsolete if they are part of the machine of inefficiency. >> i'm not. i'm not sure. i think both parties are guilty of not moving on what they say they would do. and i think that's what donald trump has said time and again. and i mean, you make a good point about the democrats and their polling level right now. i mean, if anything, i would certainly want donald trump's. i mean, look, the cnn poll today has him at a 47% approval rating. cbs had him at a 53% approval rating a week ago. let's split the baby for purposes of this discussion and say he's hovering around a 50% approval rate. i mean, that's pretty good. and i would argue it's because, one, he's very transparent with the american public. he takes questions from reporters every single day and talks to them. uh, but two, he's doing what he said he would do. and that was also in the cnn poll. and i think voters give him a lot of credit for doing what he said he's going to do. we can parse whether they like some of the things he do.

they are doing some of the things he's not doing. um, that that may be the case, but he's still hovering around a 50% approval rating, which says to me that most of the voters out there are giving him a long runway to try to get some of this stuff under control. >> jamal, i bet if i had to guess, the federal response polling rate is a zero right now, i think how they must feel always having a sort of damocles, but it's a fair question. are democrats doing what they need to do to repel what's happening? >> democrats are doing half of what they need to do, right? well, the first half of what they need to do is stop the worst things from happening. we've got lawsuits all over the place. judges are stepping up. the members of congress can't do very much because they don't have control of either branch of congress, but they are making a public display of it. now, that's half the battle. the other half of the battle is democrats are going to have to offer their own agenda for change. it's clear the american public wants things to change. they want something to be different about how we govern the country and how the country is working for them. so if i'm sitting inside a democratic office right now, i'm thinking about how do we talk about the things that we want to change

and we want to make better? one idea is most americans think that this idea of covid learning loss that we've had over the last few years is very real. parents are struggling with it. schools are struggling with it. what's the democratic plan to do that? don't just defend the department of education, but defend how it is we make education work for american kids that uses the federal government in a creative and impactful way. >> so, joe, just react to rhetoric. act, act, novel. lance trover jamal simmons, thank you both so much. thank you. still ahead, he has spent years attacking the fbi. well, tonight he's leading it. newly confirmed fbi director kash patel set to take over one of the most powerful agencies in the country, if not the world, as democrats are warning their republican colleagues. this is one pick they say they'll regret. >> kash patel. mark. my words will cause evil in this building behind us. and republicans who

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the senate confirming kash patel as the fbi director with the slimmest of margins, 51 to 49. senators lisa murkowski and susan collins, the lone republican holdouts. so what will patel do on day one at the fbi? well, he's already given us a hint. >> i shut down the fbi hoover building on day one and reopening the next day as a museum of the deep state. we will go out and find the conspirators, not just in government, but in the media. yes, we're going to come after the people in the media who lied about american citizens who helped joe biden rig presidential elections. we're going to come after you. >> he's also promising that there will be, quote, no politicization and no retribution at the bureau. let's talk about it now with christopher o'leary, former fbi agent and senior vice president for global operations at the soufan group. and garrett graff, author of the threat matrix inside robert mueller's fbi and the war on global terror. garrett, i'll begin with you because, as you know, patel, he

is now one of the top law enforcement officials in the entire country. so i wonder what his leadership will mean for the fbi. and frankly, the broad work that it does to protect americans. >> i think kash patel is in many ways the most dangerous pick that donald trump has made for any office that he has. um, this is, uh, a role that for 50 years we have tried very, very hard, uh, to depoliticize and keep the fbi independent and nonpartizan and congress, the presidency, the justice department, the courts have all built extensive guardrails and oversight structures to try to undo the damage and the legacy that j. edgar hoover did when he politicized and weaponized the fbi in the 1950s and 1960s. and kash patel is all of that that

j. edgar hoover was with an added layer of, i think, particular personal worry for me, which is his loyalty to this president. uh, above any adherence to the rule of law. >> because, of course, fbi directors are supposed to exceed the term of any one president. of course, that is been ticked away from james comey to now christopher wray as well. chris, let me ask you this question because there is a lot of damage that's been done. i mean, already even before he was confirmed, by the way, which some people wonder, is it to make sure he had clean hands when he entered into this office position? but you had senior officials who were dismissed. you got thousands of fbi agents who may have worked on january 6th cases, having to fill out a sort of questionnaire of sorts. talk to me about the morale impact and the ability to effectively lead, but also to act as an agent now. >> well, the morale is terrible. i've been on the phone nonstop

for for weeks with agents at every level, the most senior people, the most junior people. i mean, i only left a little over a year ago after doing a career in counterterrorism and in operations. i actually worked with kash patel. i worked closely, as you know, with emil bove, uh, as well as, you know, the acting director, um, and acting deputy director. morale is at an all time low, and it will impact operations. and that means the security of this country. so that's problematic. um, now, director patel can come in and change that dynamic quickly, but he has a decision to make. and, you know, not to be cute, but it's a fork in the road. um, he can choose to be a fool or a coward doing the bidding of emil bove and the administration and carrying out this neo inquisition of the fbi based on a false narrative. or he can pivot away from that, and he can stand up and be a principled leader standing up for justice, the rule of law,

acting with integrity, being a leader, setting the example things that we saw in acting director brian driscoll and rob carson, the deputy director and the assistant director of the new york office. james dennehy, that's what the fbi needs. that's what the country needs. so he can get the trust and the confidence of the fbi back and back on focus for their mission. but he's got to make that decision soon. >> you know, and just to talk about morale, garrett, it's not as if people are talking about morale that they're huffing in a corner. right? this is about do they think they can do their job without a sword of damocles over their head, that every move they make puts them at risk of losing their livelihood and being challenged on everything? i mean, some republicans, garrett, they have argued that the fears about patel are totally overblown, that this is like hyperbole, democratic hair on fire, that he'll bring transparency to the bureau, that his statement to the confirmation hearing belie what he has said previously. is that what you expect from a patel

directorship? more transparency in the fbi? >> yeah, i don't think there's any reason to take anything that he said at his confirmation hearing at face value. um, i mean, there are meaningful allegations that democratic senators even raised that he committed perjury in his confirmation hearings, that he has by saying that he had not been involved in some of these, uh, purges of high level executives in the first weeks of the trump administration that he may actually have been involved in. um, and i think and and chris. o'leary understands this part of the challenge of the fbi is that most agents have very little visibility into the investigations that they're working on, sort of the whole point of the fbi is it's one organization working together. and so you as an agent, get these leads to go out and do these interviews for cases where you don't necessarily

understand the whole big picture of the case. now, in the wake of these sort of, you know, decrees from the justice department for the names of january 6th related agents, you know, i think every agent is sitting there wondering, you know, do i want to get involved in this other case that i don't really understand? you know, just how far out on a limb do i want to go for another agent? you know, how much do i actually need to know about these cases and these leads before i decide whether this is good for my career? >> and yet, as chris and i have talked before, you don't have much of a choice in the cases you get really quick. >> you don't. but let me also point out, fbi agents aren't the only people who work the january 6th. those leads were assigned to joint terrorism task forces. so i was here in new york as the assistant special agent in charge. i assigned those leads to fbi agents, to nypd detectives, to state troopers, to secret service agents, u.s. marshals. but they're not asking for all the people who work these cases. they're asking for a list of fbi

personnel. so that's indicative of the fact that they're looking to target the fbi for. cause. that's all. >> wow. that's saying a lot. thank you so much, christopher o'leary. garrett graf, thank you both. up next, a former nfl punters protest against a maga plaque going viral and catapults him to folk hero status among the trump resistance. so what was he trying to accomplish? well, his name is chris kluwe, and i'll ask him that next. >> the book is called surrender 40 songs. one story. >> wow. >> yes. >> how do you sleep at night? >> oh, on a mattress from mattress firm. i sleep. >> all night long. >> all right, i'm going. >> it's mattress firm's president's day sale. save up to $500 on tempur-pedic and get a $300 instant gift. get matched at mattress firm. sleep at

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back better to the golden era of make america great again. note the references to obama's hope and change and biden's build back better. and of course, trump's maga. well, leaders in huntington beach approved the privately financed plaque, but not before one man spoke up against it. watch. >> maga stands for resegregation and racism. maga stands for censorship and book bans. maga stands for firing air traffic controllers while planes are crashing. maga stands for firing the people overseeing our nuclear arsenal. maga stands for firing military veterans and those serving them at the va, including canceling research on veteran suicide. maga stands for cutting funds to education, including for disabled children. maga is profoundly corrupt, unmistakably anti-democracy and most importantly, maga is explicitly a nazi movement. you may have replaced a swastika with a red hat, but that is what it is. i will now engage in the time honored american tradition

of peaceful civil disobedience. >> that's former nfl punter chris kluwe. police carried him off after he approached city council members. he says he was charged with a misdemeanor and held in custody for about four hours. you know what? chris kluwe joins me now. chris, thank you for joining. everyone has been talking about this moment, and i'm wondering why did you decide to take this particular course of action? >> well, first and foremost, it's because the huntington beach city council does not care about the community of huntington beach. they've made it very. >> obvious that their goal is to advance their own interests, to rise higher in trump's sphere of influence. and you can see that by our city attorney, michael gaetz, leaving the city and being appointed to trump's administration. so, um, that's really a problem when a city council doesn't have its city's best interests in mind. >> and why did this particular plaque spur this reaction more

than, say, his his leaving? >> so for me, it's the fact that maga, as i said, is explicitly a nazi ideology. and it's they are coming after trans rights. they're coming after resegregation and racism. like they are tearing down our government because they can only see power for themselves, and they don't care who they hurt to have to get it. and i feel that a political message like that is certainly not appropriate on a public library. and let's face it, public libraries, they are apolitical places. there should be no political message on the on the public library. it's a space for everyone to come in regardless of your political affiliation. >> people have really bristled at the notion of your statement about a maga being a, quote, nazi movement. some look at this as you painting an extremely broad brush when it comes to describing all of those who supported trump and voted for him. what is your reaction to those who say that that is a highly offensive decision? to

even say that that's what you associate maga with. >> i would say that during the 1930s, there were a lot of very good germans who trusted hitler and thought he had their best interests in mind, and so they followed him because they believed that he would do the right thing for them. um, and then in 1946, there were a lot of very good germans who had had a lot of regrets. and i think right now there are a lot of good americans who think trump has their best interest in mind. but trump clearly has his own interests in mind, and he does not care about anyone else. and i would rather not see those people have regrets. when the bodies stop falling and the blood stops being shed because they did the right thing. now, instead of waiting. >> you know, i am not somebody who thinks that you're only supposed to be outspoken on election day. you really vote throughout the course of your lives with every action that you take. and yet the rhetoric you talk about and a lot of the the criticism that you have for maga policies, they were stated before the election. why do you

think that did not resonate with voters? >> uh, because i don't think voters thought that he meant it. again. hitler promised what he was going to do. he explicitly laid out, jews are the problem. i am going to get rid of them. that will make this country great. um, trump has said immigrants are the problem. trans people are the problem. we are going to get rid of them and that will make this country great. and it is very, very similar to what hitler promised. and it's not going to make this country great. it's just going to make this country worse. >> let me just go back to the moment when you approached that podium. i understand your intention when you're walking up there. i understand you expected that your act of what you say was civil disobedience was going to land you with the police coming to you and being handcuffed. you stopped before you actually reached that podium. but what has been the response to your action? >> uh, overwhelmingly positive. um, i've had a lot of people

reach out and say, you know, thank you for standing up. uh, thank you for taking a stand. and i've had a lot of people and i believe this as well, um, saying, i wish my elected officials were doing the same. and i have a message for our elected officials, particularly our democratic elected officials, is that i've done my part. i've shown you how to do it. now it's your turn, because you are the people that we elected, and you are the people that need to step up and stop this madness, because we have a man who put a crown on his head, and i can't think of anything more fundamentally unamerican than a president wearing a crown that goes against everything this country stands for. >> chris kluwe, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> up next, he's one of the most popular podcast hosts out there. but is the joe rogan experience starting to lose some of its shine? why? some of his fans are suddenly getting annoyed by one of rogan's new political obsessions. can you guess what it is? plus, elon

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what he's doing. what he's doing is he's a super genius that's been with. >> now, what do fans think about that? let's turn to the joe rogan reddit page, where 1.5 million of his fans come together to talk about the show. joe is state run propagandist media. very nice. i seriously can't even listen to him anymore. it sucks so much man. i really love this show. another one joe and his anti-elite billionaire friends are becoming the swamp. they've always hated. we're here to discuss cnn's chief media analyst, brian stelter. brian, i mean, trump was famously on rogan before the election. he was basically credited for having done a lot to get him elected at one point in time. yeah. why is the shine wearing off. >> number one? you know, it makes sense that an anti-trump podcast that publishes all day long is suddenly rising up the charts. there's a lot of energy in this country. people concerned about what's happening. so it does make sense. rogan has some new competition, but i also think

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>> they get 95% of their product from the united states. i think they have to become the 51st state. and you heard the people booing the national anthem, but i think ultimately they'll be praising the national anthem. we'll have to work out some deal with, because i do like the o. canada. right. it's a beautiful thing. i think we're going to have to keep it for the 51st state. i call him governor trudeau. >> trudeau, though, firing back tonight. trash talking on x just moments ago. quote you can't take our country and you can't take our game. i want to bring in adrienne wenner. he's an actor and screenwriter who has a piece out in the daily beast today called the hockey bros. are fighting, and it's an own goal for trump. also with me, comedian pete dominick. glad to have both of you with me tonight, fellas. let me begin with you, pete canada coming out on top. that's going to be what for this political fight. >> oh. >> it's going to. >> be a huge.

>> huge momentum for canadians and an insult. >> to americans and to trump. >> i mean, it can only be seen that way. i've been talking to a lot of canadians, laura, and they're unified against america. they were very divided. same way we were in different ways, liberal, conservative. they've never been more unified. their country against america or on anything because of what trump and his spokespeople are saying. i mean, karoline leavitt said today in the white house briefing room, also called canada the 51st state. they don't like it. they don't have the luxury of thinking that trump is a joke around, and they have a lot of pride in their game for beating russia junior tonight. >> and he i heard i heard that at the very end. thank you so much adrienne. let me turn to you because you say the u.s. are the new a-holes of the sporting world. explain. >> yeah, yeah. well. >> you know. >> when i was growing up in my youth, we were the good guys. we were the shining city on the

hill. we were the bastion of democracy that the world rooted for. and now we're the bullies and the world doesn't like it. and it turns out you can't, you know, disparage a whole country until people are going to take over their land and not have some blowback. and you saw it, you know, last week in canada when they booed our national anthem. and then, you know, the own goal is that our players then chose to like, fight about it. um, which to me breaks most of the codes of hockey. >> to, to fight breaks the codes of hockey. there's somewhere there's a mighty ducks reference in here, but i can't put my finger on it. let me turn to you. i want to look at that trudeau statement again. you can't take our country and you can't take our game. how do you think trump is going to respond to that? >> oh, you know he's going to fire back and he's going to make all kinds of insults and jokes, not only to trudeau, i'm sure, because he always has to get the last word, has to get revenge.

but he's going to continue making these comments about canada. you know, when i grew up in a country, i think it's most patriotic thing you can do is to stand up against your country. if it's trying to invade another sovereign nation. i mean, i was in the streets against the invasion of iraq, and i think all good americans that love our country should be standing up against this, these kind of threats and this kind of talk against canada, who has been nothing but our best friend our whole lifetimes. >> you know, adrienne, this is clearly more than just about the game of hockey, right? i mean, we know that hockey got the penalty box. you know, the skirmishes are nothing new in a simple game. but this game had things that we hadn't seen before in quite some time. and yet the multiple fights you had loud boos, as you mentioned, the national anthem. that game was in canada. but tonight was in beantown, was in boston. is that why this had a different feel? >> yeah, i think it was. it was very much charged. i mean, look,

canada played a great game, lost in on home ice i guess. and they came ready to go tonight. and um, but certainly, you know, with the rumor that trump was going to go to this game and, and i mean, of course he's going to pour gasoline on a, on a fire that he started. but, you know, i think it's like to step up in front of that crowd. i mean, anyone who plays hockey will tell you boston they're they're mean and they, they're going to they're going to be the sort of seventh guy on the ice. and uh, canada just just played it, played their hearts out. >> and that point, adrienne i mean these players. yeah pete go ahead. >> well you know i just i always love coming on your show. and it's great being on with adrienne. but listen i always like turning the tables and asking you questions. you grew up in in minnesota right there on the border. you know canada. and what do you think that is going to happen? what do you think? what do you see happening right here with all these threats to canada and our president making these threats?

>> well, i grew up on the border of canada, but yes, i was down in the twin cities known as saint paul. you are correct. let me tell you something. i look at all that's going on and there are so many conversations that are happening in middle america and people think are flyover states that have direct relationships in a more direct way than, say, just the conversation around what this might feel like. and i think that people should not underestimate the way that this is impacting relationships, the way it's interacting, that it's affecting how people view their stability in the overall global landscape, and certainly makes some people nervous. they may have to say a at the end of every single sentence, just to be friendlier to our canadian neighbors. a what do you think? >> adrienne and i would just i would just add, you know, when when the sporting world starts to boo us and when we've lost, like all the friends that we've had in the years since, like the

miracle on ice, we've always been the good guy we are suddenly the bad guy, and we've got a guy in the office who likes being the bad guy. so if you're going to be the bad guy, you're going to you're going to pay, you're going to, you're going to you're going to take some some flak for it. >> are we giving ourselves too much credit, though? do you really think that americans have been viewed by the world, as always, the good guy in sports or otherwise? i think we i think we are hated for a number of reasons athletically, even if we are praised and our players for olympic teams and beyond. >> i think that's a good question. i think it's debatable, and i think you could look at a different year and a different olympic event or whatever it was. but i would argue that, yeah, a lot of the times we were the good guy. and, you know, when you look back at the 1980 miracle on ice, russia was the bad guy. russia, the ussr was always the bad guy, the big bad guy on the block. and more of the world