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now. >> hello, everyone, and welcome to the amanpour hour. here's where we're headed this. week as trump. >> launches a. >> jaw dropping 180 on russia. ukraine policy. biden's number two at the state department. wendy sherman joins me on putin's playbook and what trump needs to know about dealing with him. >> then we're seeing trump destroying the american political system in a way that he didn't do during his first administration. >> democratic institutions at home, under unprecedented threat. m gessen, who has lived through that happening in russia, joins this program. plus, madeleine albright's words from my archives still resonate today. >> the ukrainians have to be at the table. >> also ahead. >> sabiamos. >> evenity. >> un partito. >> alarm bells sounding over the

threat to democracy. a new series traces mussolini's rise to power. i speak with director joe wright. >> maria torres-springer. >> welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour in washington. this must have been the best week for russia's president, vladimir putin in years. not only did the u.s. negotiating team arrive for ceasefire talks in riyadh, offering up concessions in advance. ukraine's president zelenskyy and european allies were left on the sidelines. to top it off, president trump repeated the kremlin lines, falsely blaming zelenskyy for russia's full scale invasion and calling him the dictator. the ukrainian leader has said mr. trump lives in a russian disinformation space. meantime, putin's fill in president and former prime minister dmitry medvedev gleefully posted if you had told me just three months ago that these were the words of a u.s. president, i would have laughed out loud. now, by the

end of the week, all sides tried to calm this issue. but wendy sherman was deputy secretary of state in the biden administration and was among the last american diplomats to negotiate with russian officials on the eve of their 2022 invasion of ukraine. she joined me to discuss the week that saw trump throw the transatlantic alliance into a major crisis. wendy sherman, welcome back to the program. can i start by asking you how you interpret what president trump is now saying and essentially lashing out verbally against president zelenskyy, calling him a dictator, saying that his polls are below, you know, 4% saying that he started the war. why do you think he's doing that? >> quite frankly, it's outrageous. >> one doesn't do this to allies, to zelenskyy, to ukraine, who has fought so valiantly over these three

years, to our european allies. the president seems to have a version of how one goes about things, and that is transactional, not with allies and partners. and we're seeing that play out here. so far, he's given putin virtually everything putin wants. he or his minions, his secretaries, have given away territory to putin, have said nato won't be present, nor any foreign countries that are part of nato present. after a ceasefire or a peace agreement. he has said we're going to have economic relations with russia. we're going to reestablish all of the personnel in our agencies and our embassies with russia. uh, he has flattered putin, and he is trying to humiliate and undermine president zelenskyy, who, as you said, has been an extraordinary leader of ukraine in a time where putin invaded

ukraine. that is fact. >> so what do you think putin is thinking now? >> i think putin is ecstatic. he's basically gotten everything he wants at the beginning of a negotiation. and there is, pardon me, an nbc news report that says that american intelligence shows that putin truly doesn't want a deal. he wants all of ukraine. and my own sense from having sat and sat with the russians on january 10th, 2022, a little over a month before the actual invasion, february 24th, 2022, is that putin sees ukraine as part of the russian empire, so to speak. he believes it ideologically. he believes it historically, and i don't think he will settle for anything other than a chance to ultimately take all of russia. so president trump giving all of these gimmes to russia,

including saying american companies will come back, our oil and gas companies, he might withdraw troops from the baltics. all of these things are things that putin has long wanted. and you know, christiane, when i met with the russians, we discussed some of the things we could do to meet some of their concerns about how nuclear weapons were poised in europe, where european troops were what exercises might take place, even knowing that none of that would satisfy vladimir putin. he was intent on taking ukraine, and i believe he still is. the europeans have shoulder responsibility. they have put more economic aid into ukraine than the united states has. we have put more weapons into ukraine. but that is to the advantage of our military industrial complex, because it's meant american jobs and the creation of those weapons. so europe has come forward. we need them to continue to do so. and i hope the ongoing meetings

that are being held will create solidarity among the europeans to really act as one against putin. >> boris johnson, former british prime minister and big, big ukraine defender, said europeans should stop being scandalized by what trump said and that his comments trump's are not intended to be historically accurate, but to shock europe into action. is that going to work, and what action do you think europe absolutely needs to take? we've already laid out how that they have given even more financial aid to ukraine. what now does europe need to do, including if there was to be a ceasefire? >> so i think that we heard prime minister starmer of the uk say that he would consider putting troops in to help keep a peace in ukraine. we need to know whether the rest of europe will follow suit, even though lavrov has said not only can't nato have troops, but any country part of nato cannot have

troops. but one presumes that is a negotiating position. so i would hope that europe would think very strongly about what it could offer on the reconstruction of ukraine. europe has really had its hands on most of the russian assets that have been seized. there had been agreement during the biden administration to, in fact, use the interest on those assets as part of the funds for reconstruction. so europe has a lot to offer in that regard, and i hope that boris johnson is right. this is a tactic in my view. it's a horrible tactic. it's bullying. it's humiliating. it's undermining allies and partners. but indeed, trump has done this before. he's doing it in the middle east, uh, with arab partners, uh, by putting out his gaza idea and in essence, shocking them

and trying to get the arab countries to come forward with their own plan and to really back up the palestinians. so it's not an unheard of tactic by donald trump, but what he has done, uh, vis a vis zelenskyy, ukraine and europe is, in my view, outrageous, appalling, and indeed untrue. the ukrainians are extraordinarily resilient. anyone who has visited there during the war, as i have, understands the extraordinary courage. resiliency, stamina and belief in freedom that ukrainians have. so i'm betting on ukraine. >> and you watch that full conversation with wendy sherman online. up next, how autocracy rose in russia and its warning signs here in the united states. i talked to the russian dissident and new york times journalist masha gessen. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you? new tonight on cnn. >> one second.

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supposed to do. masha gessen joined me in new york to put into context this critical moment for the united states and the rest of the world, as well. masha gessen, welcome back to the program. >> it's great to be here. >> i want to ask you, because you have survived and lived through your own autocracy in in russia. so talk to me about what appears to be a 180 in u.s. speak and relations with russia over ukraine and of course, with europe. this week, president trump called zelenskyy the dictator, amongst other kind of putin talking points. what do you see happening? >> i see trump adopting putin's language. i see moscow reeling from, you know, their wildest dreams coming true faster than they could ever have imagined. and i see this country rewarding putin's aggression and throwing ukraine and the rest of europe under the bus.

>> putin has said that all of this reaction is, quote, hysterical hysteria and that why shouldn't we talk to the u.s.? and of course, you know, ukraine will be involved. is there anything that you could say might be happening behind the scenes that wouldn't result in essentially throwing ukraine under the bus and isolating europe? >> i you know, i really believe at looking at the thing and not looking for the thing behind the thing. i think we know what's happening. they're telling us, and putin has been telling us what he wants for a very long time. he wants to get back to the post-world war two status quo, when the world was divided between the united states and the soviet union. he feels like he has been dealt a bad deal in the aftermath of the collapse of the soviet union, and that russia deserves, he personally deserves to get back to yalta and to divide up the world again. that is very clearly what he has been saying, what he has been signaling, and his people have been signaling in the last

couple of weeks as they've actively started talking to trump. and it doesn't look like trump is going to stop that from happening. i think the idea of of dividing up the world is appealing to trump, to. >> spheres of influence. >> and i think physically dividing up the world. it's not just fears of influence. i think he imagines recarving the map. >> can i ask you because again, you have lived in and, you know, thoroughly examined putin's russia. is this administration a match for putin, lavrov, et cetera. around the negotiating table? >> you know, i don't know. i mean, i could probably try to answer that question, and probably the answer is no, because putin and lavrov have thought harder about this. they're actually better at this than trump and his people are. they're still quite inexperienced, even if they're more competent than the first administration. but i'm not even sure it's the right question in the sense that they don't have competing interests. they are actually on the same side of the

table. >> when zelenskyy counters that trump is in a disinformation space. i mean, he is stepping outside a lane of careful courting of his american backers over the past three years of being very, very aware that without at least their weaponry, you know, he might not be in the position that he is right now. as bad as it is, how do you read what zelenskyy is doing? >> i see zelenskyy as the only politician on the world stage right now whom we're actually seeing, having the courage of his convictions. he is calling things what they are. he is speaking up for a democratic europe. he is calling for europe to mobilize. for the interests and the values that it was founded upon. and he is the only person doing that. >> you've written a book called

surviving autocracy. how does one survive autocracy? i mean, in your own country, russia, which you left. and we'll get into those reasons in a second. was it possible to survive autocracy? >> well, i don't know if it's possible for a society to survive autocracy. it's certainly very difficult for a political system to survive autocracy. and that's what we're seeing. we're seeing trump destroying the american political system in a way that he didn't do during his first administration, and in a way that will make it almost impossible to reverse what he has done. >> you left russia because of its crackdown on many things, including lgbtq rights. you came here for a safe haven. you're also transitioning. do you feel any safer here after having fled russia? do you feel safer now? >> um, you know, i'm in a situation of several hundred, at least several hundred russian

dissidents who are wanted by the putin regime. uh, the putin regime has sentenced me to eight years for spreading disinformation. but by reporting on russian war crimes in ukraine. so i'm wanted by the russian government as, ah, as i said, several hundred other russian dissidents who have sought safe haven in, in the west, including in this country. with this incredible burgeoning new relationship between the united states and russia. that's terrifying. right? um, putin is clearly going to ask for us, uh, at some point. that's part of what's frightening. another part that's frightening is, yes, i left russia because my family was directly threatened by putin's anti-gay laws. and i'm a trans person living in the united states now. i don't feel personally threatened at the moment because i live in new york, because i work at the new

york times, and because there's certainly a lot of privilege that i enjoy that protects me. but having lived in russia in a similar position, i know that privilege only goes so far. um, and of course, in this country, the attack on trans people is also specifically designed to push trans people out of public spaces. right. it's the the denial of documents, the denial of, you know, the requirement that you use the bathroom of the correct gender. um, you know, you don't want to see what happens if i walk into a women's bathroom. uh, but it's not pleasant for anybody involved. uh, all of these things are designed to push trans people out of public spaces. and, of course, public spaces where journalists work. right. so it's also, for me, a professional risk and an attack on trans journalists who, again, as a new york times columnist, i'm somewhat protected, but i

look at my students and i realize they're at real risk. >> you've written a lot of really, really interesting and of the moment columns recently, and one of them is about, as you say, the the you've used the word destruction of democratic institutions here. federal governments and departments and the like, cultural organizations. you you wrote and i'm paraphrasing, why even smart people capitulate or whatever the word is. why? why do you think it's been so easy? i mean, literally without a peep, almost. >> there are a lot of good reasons to obey when a government like this comes in. so some of the threats coming from the federal government as weak as the federal government is compared to some other places that have gone autocratic. uh, the threats are real to pull federal funding, to go after other businesses that people have. and so if you look at

people like jeff bezos or mark zuckerberg, who have sort of fallen all over themselves to obey in advance. you also see some clever rationalizations and some real rationality. right. bezos is protecting his businesses during trump's first term. trump went after amazon to punish the washington post. zuckerberg is using what i call the zeitgeist argument. it's not even so much a direct threat as, look, we're working in a different culture now and we have to adjust. that's good for business. some of these arguments are actually values based. we have to protect our employees. we have to protect our shareholders. these are all good reasons as far as they go. they're good tactical reasons. uh, there's only one reason not to obey, which is that this obeyance is what builds

autocracy. if people withdraw their participation, if everybody acted like the seven legal officials who resigned over the department of justice's order to drop charges against new york mayor eric adams, if everybody acted like that, trump wouldn't be able to do what he's doing. but most people are obeying. >> so how do you see that progressing? i mean, is everybody shocked now? are they stunned into silence or inactivity, or do you foresee the world we live in? the alternative fact, you know, universes of social media, the fact that it's very difficult to find the truth. do you think it's going to be? it'll take time or it'll never happen. some kind of pushback against individual rights and federal rights? >> i mean, this is not a great country to build a mass resistance movement. we're very atomized. we're very polarized. we don't have local media. we

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>> uno. >> uno guitar solo. pensa che possono oliver darcy. >> le facciamo. >> la storia. >> per il futuro. >> la. vanguardia. la revolucion. >> the eight part series is directed by joe wright, who's best known for the acclaimed films he made like atonement and the winston churchill drama darkest hour. he joined me from los angeles to discuss why this now? joe wright, welcome to the program. um, it's an amazingly well first, an amazing series. and secondly, incredibly timely. i want to ask you to talk to me from the beginning, because as a journalist, i was obviously taken by how you open it with the young. well, 35 year old mussolini, who's now starting his own paper. and, you know, he used to be a socialist. tell me why you started with that. and what was the significance of that move?

>> um. the show. goes from 1919 to 1925. so it's. >> about the. >> birth of fascism. um, and for me personally, um, hearing the word fascism bandied about. >> over the past eight years, i wanted to understand its etymology and and really get to grips with what the word meant. >> and we're going to play one of the clips that we have. you have him. the style of the filming is very much. mussolini talks directly to the camera a lot. and we're going to play this clip and talk about it. >> futuro. >> la vanguardia. la revolucion. >> oggi marche. >> il fascismo. >> ari revay. >> il fascismo. una. bellissima

dei sogni di coraggio. >> di cambiamento. >> conquista million milioni di cuori. anche vostri. seguito. anche se vuoi. fascist. >> so, joe, who is he talking to when he turns to the camera? what was that device about? >> he's talking to us, and he's talking to the viewers at home directly. the idea was to try and get as close to him as possible, to try and understand him as a as a human being. and at the beginning of the show, he he has control of the narrative, um, which i think is something very important to this kind of leader and all leaders, maybe. and, and then as the show progresses, he loses control of that narrative. >> and, uh, do you feel that the fact that it's coming out now and, you know, there's such a

huge political upheaval going on around the world that it has relevance today? >> i personally do very much so, but my job was to try and understand fascism and its roots and causes and to understand mussolini and then allow the audience to discover those parallels for themselves. >> there's almost no english in there. it's i mean, i don't know, did you start by deciding to do it in all italian, or was it something you decided to do? how did that happen? >> um, no. originally we had, uh, the dialog in italian and then the direct address to camera in english. um, but as we were in rehearsals and pre-production, giorgia meloni came to power. and the next day i went in and said i felt that i wanted every single italian to be able to understand every single word of what he was saying. >> and what reaction has this had in italy? i know, i think it was premiered at the italian or

the venice film festival. what reaction has it had there? >> it's had an extraordinary reaction, and i feel like italy has never really come to terms with its fascist past. and, and, and perhaps present. um, so, uh, it's it's really been quite a shock to the italian people and establishment, and there's been a lot of conversation. it's been on the front page of every newspaper for some time now. >> so giorgia meloni and her brothers of italy party were elected in 20 2022. i mean, she's become pretty much a very successful prime minister at home. she works nicely with her, you know, international partners. but also she has had a very distinct effect. according to italian journalists, on the freedom of the free press there, the free and independent press there. and, and as you know, there's going to be very important elections in germany and the afd, which is the very far right party there, is making

very strong gains. what? i mean, does it surprise you that this is happening now? >> uh, it shocks me that it's happening now, but perhaps doesn't surprise me. i mean, i remember when i was scouting locations in 2016 for darkest hour, just prior to the brexit vote. um, and looking around at the state of the north of england and the state that people were in and the, the, um, the expression of austerity that was happening there. and i and i felt that we were headed into some very difficult times. >> why do you think that it's had so much trouble getting a distributor? um, in the united states? i mean, you wrote, um, one streamer told you the project was too controversial for them to pick up. what does that mean? >> it means that fascism or anti-fascism, uh, is now a controversial topic. um, and

that, uh, the entertainment industry is becoming more and more apolitical, more and more centrist. um, and that is of great concern to, to me and many others. >> and the new series is available to watch on sky now. coming up, the late secretary of state madeleine albright on putin's playbook and why her words and warnings resonate to this day. that's after a break. >> they are using this. oh, woe is me in order to garner sympathy and, uh, have some kind of a way of recreating something that they destroyed themselves. >> i have type. >> two diabetes. >> but i manage it well. it's a little pill with a big story to tell. i take one daily jardiance at each day, start. as time went

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