>> this morning, president trump and french president macron are meeting at the white house as europe fights for a place in the ukraine-russia peace talks. today marks three years since russia invaded. federal workers are facing a deadline. justify your job in five bullet points or lose that job. now, as trump's own agency heads are telling employees to ignore that, elon musk pops up to say he's not joking. plus, comedy and politics mixing it up at the s.a.g. awards last night. i'm kate bolduan with sara sidner and john berman. this is cnn news central. >> well, he's giving out more shock and awe at home right now at the white house. president trump is preparing to meet with french president emmanuel macron. ahead of the call with the g7, macron is fighting for

european leaders to get a place at the table in the ukraine peace talks, as president trump has pivoted towards russia. this morning, national security adviser michael waltz said ukraine becoming a nato member is not back on the table. we have also learned a u.s. deal with ukraine to access its rare earth minerals is in the final stages. a senior official confirming the deal is part of a wider negotiation to try and end the war. all of this comes on the same day that ukraine is making three, marking three years since russia invaded their borders. other key european leaders are in kyiv today. missing from the picture there. u.s. officials. cnn's alayna treene is at the white house. a lot going on. what can you tell us about what we're expecting in this call between macron and president trump? >> well, look, sarah, i mean, today is an incredibly momentous day for the peace talks between

ukraine or trying to find an end to the war between ukraine and russia, and really the start of what is going to be a momentous week with, you know, not only having french president emmanuel macron at the white house today, but later this week, we're also going to see the uk's prime minister, karma, come to the keir starmer. excuse me, come to the white house as well to meet with the president. now, just before eight. 8 a.m. was when that g7 call among g7 leaders was slated to take place. we saw i watched the french president come to the white house. he entered the white west wing, gave a quick wave to reporters and then went inside. i'm told he joined, of course, in person. that call with the president. a very strategic move on his part. and then later today as well, we're going to see donald trump and macron have this bilateral meeting in the oval office. and then at 2 p.m., they are expected to host a joint press conference. we're going to have a lot of reporters asking a series of questions on this. but you're exactly right, sarah. i mean, the key thing that we know that not just macron, but

european leaders and the united states nato allies are really looking for is to try and get a seat at the table in these talks, we saw a ton of concerns from european allies when we saw the united states delegation and russia meeting in riyadh. ukraine's delegation was not at the table, european leaders not having a seat at that table. so that's going to be a big part of this. now, hanging over all of this as well is that question of how can europe and the united states and allies who support ukraine in this war, how can they continue to ensure that ukraine doesn't get the bad end of a deal here? and part of that has been a question of should ukraine join nato? they argue that is one of the cheapest ways to ensure ukraine's prosperity and security. we did hear national security adviser michael waltz address this this morning. take a listen to what he said. >> that is not. >> back. >> on the table. i do not see the united states having ukraine

enter into nato. we are absolutely committed to nato writ large. our article five treaty agreements with other nato countries. but the security guarantees for ukraine is a different conversation. >> there is outrage. >> right now, sarah, that what he said there at the end about those security guarantees from different european countries, that has been such a crucial part, i'm told, in my conversations with white house officials, those involved in some of these talks that they are looking for from this meeting with macron today, but also starmer later this week, they want europe to step up on their end and ensure that if they do find an off ramp to this war, that they will be in responsibility and really held accountable for some of those security guarantees. so something we'll be watching for in those meetings, sarah. >> all right. alayna treene, i don't know if you know this, but you have a halo on your head this morning and we're here for it on this monday, making us all feel a little bit better about the world today. all right, john.

>> all right. with us now is congressman mike quigley, a democrat from illinois, the co-chair of the congressional ukraine caucus. congressman, i don't know if you heard the national security advisor say, just moments ago, we played the sound of nato membership for ukraine. not on the table, reiterating that the united states is basically giving russia one of its key demands before negotiations really even start with ukraine. your view? yeah, we're normalizing relations with. russia without getting any concessions. is diplomacy. >> one on one. >> mistake, negotiating in public? another mistake. but it's hard to be surprised that president trump can't acknowledge that russia invaded ukraine. he questioned zelenskyy's legitimacy, despite. >> the fact. >> his. >> poll numbers. >> are better than trump's. >> and he was elected. >> and he doesn't question putin's legitimacy. i mean. >> this is a man who. >> didn't sprout from young russians. >> for democracy. he came from

the kgb, a ruthless. tyrant who kills his opposition. so if we can't agree on that, they have a long way to go to do the right thing for ukraine and nato. >> so the united states keeps pushing ukraine to make some kind of a mineral deal. this was the deal that president zelenskyy rejected about ten days ago, because at the time, it was believed it had no security guarantees from the united states. the united states keeps on pushing and there have been talks there. bloomberg a few minutes ago came out with a report. they call it an exclusive that the u.s. will commit to a free, sovereign and secure ukraine and a lasting peace as part of a mineral deal. the u.s. would agree to. a durable partnership will signal intent to invest in ukraine, and also say that those who acted adversely to ukraine should not benefit from its. reconstruction. what would you, your view be of that kind of an agreement? >> well, first, i'm not sure i would trust the trump administration on anything like

that. if ukraine. if you're ukraine, you've got to remember from the budapest, uh, era that, you know, those guarantees weren't backed up either. so finally, let's talk about that deal. they want $2 for every $1 in aid. churchill didn't say to europe just before we landed in normandy. what? you're going to pay us twice the amount of money we spend to liberate france and europe. it's extraordinarily difficult time. so, and finally, why are we telling ukraine they have to pay for this twice? you could get a better deal from tony soprano. at the same time, you're not telling putin you have to pay reparations. typically, the aggressor has to pay for reparations. otherwise, ukraine is going to have to spend what, hundreds of years literally to pay back an agreement for what we should be doing to support them, to support democracy in the world. >> a couple other news items i

want to ask you about overnight, the president named conservative podcaster dan bongino as the deputy director of the fbi. what is your view of that appointment? >> yeah, look, i think the appointments to the intelligence community as a whole, including the fbi, are going to make us less safe. overall. they lack extraordinary any levels of experience? uh, they're totally in agreement with the president when it comes to going after those he doesn't like politicizing them, weaponizing them. um, making us less safe looking at the whole of them from tulsi gabbard. i doubt any of our allies will trust us to share information that keeps us safe. all in all, some of the worst picks in our lifetime. >> elon musk sent an email out or directed an email to be sent out to all federal employees, telling them they had to list five things they accomplished in the last week, or risk getting fired if they do that by midnight tonight. what do you think about that? >> yeah, i want to see the air

traffic controllers have to explain what they do to keep us safe. i want to have to. i want to make doctors who keep our veterans safe and healthy at our hospitals, have to explain what they do and why it's so important our fbi agents or food inspectors. i tell folks, try not to think about food inspectors when you bite into another sandwich with boar's head, when your life could be at risk. so it's a hypocrisy for a guy who gets billions of dollars in subsidies and grants from the federal government. i want him to explain and rationalize all that and why he's attacking agencies which are currently investigating him and his entities. >> congressman mike quigley, thanks for coming on this morning. appreciate your time, sir. kate. >> so some of president trump's own cabinet secretaries pushing back against elon musk's latest ask of federal workers at the pentagon and pentagon, top intelligence officials telling staff to not reply to musk's email, telling them to justify

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their jobs because we. >> are seeing. >> multiple agency heads push back against this directive from elon musk. in fact, we have seen directives go out from the pentagon, the fbi, the state department, and even hhs telling employees not to. respond to this email until they can figure out exactly what opm is looking for here. in fact, hhs actually initially told employees to go ahead and respond to the email before then reversing themselves. but here at the pentagon, i can tell you that late yesterday, the department wide directive came down from the acting undersecretary for personnel and readiness. darin selnick and it said very explicitly that the department and not opm, is going to be making decisions on who keeps their job. he said, quote, the department of defense is responsible for reviewing the performance of its personnel and will conduct any review in accordance with its own procedures. when and if required. the department will coordinate responses to the email you have received from opm. but for now, please pause any response to the opm email

titled what did you do last week? so a very clear message here, not just from the department of defense, but also from the fbi, from the director of the fbi, kash patel, who has been very sympathetic, of course, to elon musk and doge in the past, saying, look, we are going to make our own personnel decisions here. kash patel sent out a very similar email from from his perch as fbi director over the weekend, saying, pause on any responses because it is up to us through the director's office to determine who is going to keep their jobs. but for now, defense officials still trying to spend the day here figuring out what exactly the parameters are. do employees actually need to respond to this or risk some kind of adverse action by the office of personnel management? that still remains to be seen here, but it thrust this department and other departments across the federal government really into chaos over the weekend. kate. >> yeah, and then it's not over yet, that's for sure. today. thank you. natasha. john. >> all right. overnight, president trump tapped conservative podcaster dan

bongino as deputy fbi director. um, he does have experience in the secret service, but not the fbi. and cnn learned that newly confirmed fbi director kash patel had told agents the deputy would come from within its ranks. cnn's katelyn polantz is here, and that's really only part of it. caitlin. >> yeah. john, the deputy. >> director of the fbi. >> is almost always someone who comes from. >> within the agency, who. >> knows how the fbi works and is an active. career employee. not so with this choice of dan bongino, with his choice being the pick here for the trump administration. >> it goes. >> in the face of what kash patel had been telling people, not only agents across the fbi, but also what was understood to be happening within the agency. recently, he had told people, according to our own evan perez's reporting, that the person who was serving as the acting deputy director during

this transition phase with patel coming in, was going to likely be the pick to take on this job in a more permanent role and manage the force of the fbi on a day to day basis. >> but then. >> things changed. things changed whenever the acting leadership of the fbi waiting for patel's confirmation, went up against the white house, who wanted the names of all of the agents that had worked on january 6th cases to be handed over. there's now a lawsuit blocking that. um, and so one of these, the way that this is working now, is that kash patel is looking like he is not fulfilling what he promised. one of the the statements out there as well is from the president of the fbi agents association, writing to members over the weekend saying that they had met with kash patel last month. and during that meeting he said or they said the fbi deputy director should continue to be an on board active special

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relaunch investigations into those taxes that were initiated during his first term, and also investigate any additional countries that use a digital tax, quote, to discriminate against u.s. companies, according to a memo from the from the white house. let's talk about this and the implications. joining me right now is the senior trade and manufacturing adviser to president trump, peter navarro. peter, thanks for coming back in. this new eo. talk to me about this, because lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have said for a long time that they think these taxes disproportionately harm american companies. but what's the action that the white house is going to take now against countries? because there are lots of them that have enacted these policies. >> you're absolutely right that this is. >> not a left or. >> right issue. >> it's an american issue. and what these countries are doing is discriminating against our biggest tech companies. and they do it in a way where this dst, the digital service tax, only applies to the very largest

companies. and it's always the american companies. and meanwhile they use them to to promote their own national champions inside the country. effectively they steal our tax revenues from us. and here's how this works. the the dst basically taxes the revenues of these companies in their in their countries. and those are then deducted from profits that the companies would otherwise pay corporate taxes on here. and it's just it's just outrageous. and this has been a contagion. it started in france in 2019. they put on a 3% tax. president trump immediately cracked down on that. and they backed off. and there was negotiations. but then in the in the last four years, the biden administration kind of let that go. and there's been a contagion. this is what we worry about here. it started with france, but now it's turkey. spain. you've got

it spreading to africa, now it's spreading to asia. and the danger here is that these things are going to be used in a punitive way to punish. and who's involved? you got what are digital services? we should ask that question. it's like amazon with its cloud computing, its online marketing. with with its social media. google with its digital advertising, things like that. and it's it's literally billions of dollars. so the boss says that's not going to happen anymore. he embraces what we call the philosophy of reciprocal trade. so if they're going to harm us, we're going to respond in kind with tariffs until they back off. and i think these countries, kate, are going to learn that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. and president trump's strength here is is going to save american taxpayers billions of dollars. >> let's see what the trade the trade reps office does with this. let's talk more about the impact of tariffs, because the university of michigan's latest survey on consumer sentiment

came out, showing that sentiment declined in february. it was the second consecutive month, and it was down 10% from january. and the survey's director, peter, said that the broad decline that they saw was the way they put it was in large part due to fears that tariff induced price increases are imminent. so more consumers are saying here that they don't believe what you are saying, that tariffs imposed will bring prices down. so what do you say to those. consumers? >> kate, i've been watching watching your coverage and i know your pollsters coming on and talking about how things are bad for trump and this, that and the other thing. but the context here is that we're we're just a little more in the 30 days in. right. and there's just a lot of bad stuff that we're going to have to work through that was created with overspending in the biden administration. and that's going to weigh down on things like consumer sentiment. and look, there's a there's a strong media campaign out there by the people who don't want

tariffs to make people believe somehow there's going to be inflation. i would just remind you of the conversation we had the last time. this was the same dialog we had. everybody's warning about inflation, recession and the sky was going to fall. and all we had kate. and this is just fact is we had price stability, strong growth and importantly, real wages went up which gave people more purchasing power. and so if you just go through the adjustment process, it's a complex one in terms of economics. but the first thing that happens when the tariffs imposed is that these big countries that need to export into this market, they lower their prices. and then as the trade deficit comes down, the dollar gets stronger, which gives us more purchasing power for imports. that offsets some more of it. supply chains that move around. and then eventually we get a lot of investment here. when we put in the steel

tariffs, we had $15 billion in new investment in that industry. what does that do? it gives you more capital to labor, more machines for people. that increases productivity. and wages go up, go up. so that's why we saw the last time around tariffs didn't create inflation. all they created was a level playing field. and i think i think. >> let me jump in. let's see. consumers will see if consumers if if consumers and when consumers do believe. because i do want to ask about some news that just came out this morning, which is apple announcing it's going to invest $500 billion in expanding u.s. facilities over the next four years. there you go. they say it's going to create 20,000 jobs. and my question then is does that mean, peter, that apple iphones coming from china are going to be exempt from tariffs again this time around, given these investments? >> well, that's always president trump's decision. >> would you. >> be open. >> to that exemption though? >> i have no idea. that's not my lane. i always let the boss do

his thing and follow. this is entirely. >> your lane. >> well, no. but but but the kind of discussions he has on that. look, i think the important thing here is, is the question always has to be asked first. it's not whether tariffs cause inflation, but why the tariffs to begin with. and we are in this unsustainable equilibrium in which the entire world cheats us. they just cheat us. i don't think you and i would disagree about that, because we know they have higher tariffs and we have they know have higher non-tariff barriers. these are crushing. we know we want to trillion dollar a year trade deficit. so all of that is proof that the world sticking it to us. and all we're trying to do with reciprocal trade, kate, is to level the playing field. and remember, if they lower all their trade barriers there's no tariffs. the boss has said that repeatedly. that's the notion of reciprocal trade. so i think americans again left and right need to get behind this because

it's good for america. it's good for jobs. it's good for factories. it's good for wages. it's good for prosperity. and you're just going to see just hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars now across different industries and sectors coming into this country. you're just investing here instead of tim cook going to china like like he has had too much of a pension to do for far too long. >> we and we will see if that means that there might be a crack in the no exemptions, no way, no how position on these tariffs when it comes to apple products given this investment. peter, it's good to see you. thank you for coming in john. >> all right. we are standing by for an update from the vatican on the health of pope francis this morning. he is in critical condition and now showing signs of kidney failure. and while you were sleeping, big time hollywood awards. who won? who lost? who should have won and did not? and what does it

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come as the pentagon is planning to fire 5 to 8% of the military's approximately 950,000 civilian employees. more than 5000 pentagon probationary employees are expected to be terminated this week. joining me now, former deputy pentagon press secretary sabrina singh. thank you so much for coming in this morning for us. i want to read you something that defense secretary pete hegseth said over the weekend on fox. he talked about the dismissals affecting six, three and four star generals. and this is a quote saying it is a reflection of the president wanting the right people around him to execute the national security approach. we want to take. isn't it fairly normal for presidents to change some of the military leadership? how is this different? >> of course it is. definitely, you know. a normal practice for the president and the incoming secretary of defense to look at those senior military leaders around him and make an assessment. what is unprecedented is the number of people we saw fired on friday night. um, of course, you know, at the direction of the

president, chairman brown and others, including, i think what's getting lost here is the three jag officers for each of the services were also fired. those are the people keeping the checks and balances on the system. um, i think that is concerning. and that's why there are so many alarms being raised, not only from the outside and from those of us that were just serving in the building, but from congress as well. i think it's the mass firings that you saw on friday. and also, these are people with 30 to 40 years of service under their belts, serving under democratic and republican administrations. so, um, while the president does have the decision to make who's around him at the table, i think it's fair to look at and say, um, you know, why why we are raising concerns about these these men and women being fired on friday night. >> yeah, there's a lot of discussion that the president brought up about di intimating that people who were hired because of di are not as, um, capable or qualified. and i want you to take a look at what's

happened here and just get your thoughts. so far, the president is replacing the head of the u.s. navy. the first woman ever to lead a military service. he fired the nation's highest ranking military officer. as we mentioned, cq brown, a highly decorated and seasoned military leader who also happens to be a black man. and he is replacing him with someone who has not served in any of the roles that nominees are legally required to have performed in order to be nominated. so what message is this sending to the lower rank and file? well. >> look, if i'm a, um, someone that's interested in joining the military today, i'm looking at these firings and seeing these men and women who have served some 30 to 40 years in service under different administrations, and saying to myself, i could be fired just because i, you know, have a certain view that might not align with the president. i will say, though, that these are men and women that have served in uniform. they are a and someone like general cq brown. this is a fighter pilot who commanded the

air forces in the middle east for central command. so this is exactly the type of person that you want at the table, along with admiral franchetti. um, someone who's commanded carrier strike groups in various parts of the world. um, so these are folks that come with unique backgrounds, unique voices, um, to the table, but serve in an apolitical way. and i think that's really important to remember. >> i'm curious to get your take on whether you know much about air force lieutenant general dan caine, who is retired, being asked to come out of retirement as trump's next joint chiefs of staff pick. what do you think of caine and what are you hearing from those inside of the pentagon? if you were hearing from people about him and about what's happening at the pentagon with these firings? >> i've heard from a few folks. look, this is someone that is going to now have to go through congress and testify. and, you know, i think that's fair. and that that process will play out. um, i don't know too much other

than that this is someone that, um, you know, does have a lot of experience under his belt. but again, it remains to be seen if he's even going to be confirmed by this congress. as you saw, bipartisan reactions, um, from, you know, members on both the house and senate, republicans and democrats on the firing of not just cq brown, but others. um, reacting to that. so, um, i think it remains to be seen how his nomination will play in congress. >> let me ask you this. lastly is what is happening with the military and the comments that president trump is making and to some degree, what hegseth is saying on the world stage about ukraine. um, and sort of siding with some of the russian talking points, is it making it harder for our allies to work with america? >> i mean, i think so. i mean, today is the three year anniversary of russia invading ukraine. um, and again, we have to remind ourselves that even though this war happened three years ago, putin has failed to meet any of his strategic objectives that he set out.

president zelenskyy still stands, kyiv is still strong, and the nato alliance has expanded at an even stronger than it was before the war. um, but absolutely, the rhetoric coming out of this white house and the parroting of some of these kremlin talking points, blaming ukraine for this war. i mean, it's astonishing. and i think that's what you're seeing on the world stage is our allies and partners questioning whether the united states will stand with them. if russia were to attack any of their sovereign territory. so, you know, i'm going to be looking to see what comes out of these these meetings this week. >> yeah, i think everybody is watching and waiting to see what happens with this phone call with the g7. and he's also supposed to sit down with emmanuel macron as well. the french president sabrina singh, thank you so much for coming on and talking us through that. appreciate you kate. >> coming up for us, donald trump taking over one of the nation's most prestigious cultural institutions, the kennedy center in washington, in response, performances canceled. but why? our next guest is not now using the kennedy center to kick off his new tour.

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why did you feel so strongly about saying, hey, you know, i'm going to do this and i'm going to keep paying attention to what's going on over there at the kennedy center. >> i mean. >> so let's be clear on the timing. i was on a flight. as as trump was taking over kennedy center. so i was. >> on. >> my way. >> to d.c. to do. >> the show. >> and i think. >> that. >> you know, there's different. >> ways to sort of handle these situations. there's protest, there's boycott. there's also just showing up and doing what you. >> were going to do. and i. >> know i'm the exact kind of performer trump doesn't want in there. he said he and he got into wokie. and i think i'm patient number one for patient zero for wokie. so i was like, i'm going to turn the wiki up to 11, which is what i did. and i got to join a protest outside of drag queens and the d.c. project who were protesting. >> the fact. >> that he wasn't allowing. >> he's not going to have. >> drag performers. >> there anymore. >> so i got to show up. >> the way marian. >> anderson showed up on the steps. >> when she was not allowed. >> in constitution hall. >> i got to show up the way sweet. >> honey in the rock showed up when north carolina. >> was doing.

>> the bathroom bills, and. they said. >> we're going to go and. >> unite that community. i'm a show. >> up, remember, sara? i'm the guy who famously met the kkk. i do these things. >> i know you do. you talk to anybody and everybody you know how to make jokes about it, but you also know how to be real serious about what your concerns are and the concerns of the community that you come from are as well. speaking of which, there's been a lot of, um, can we say, beating around the bush about the hand gestures we are seeing from those with huge influence in the trump world? of course, elon musk. and then we saw bannon this weekend. let's take a look at some of that video. here. you are seeing bannon do a couple of different things. and what would you call what you saw him do on that stage at cpac. >> i mean, you know i think. he's he's playing footsie with naziism is what he's doing. he's sort of trying to like the way he did it. at the end of his speech, he he threw out the nazi salute. he also but he sort of did in a way that was sort of plausible deniability. but you and i know as intelligent humans, there are words we

don't say in front of mixed company because they sound like slurs, because we know we shouldn't. we should be careful. so the fact that he's not being careful about his actions prove that he is actually trying to signal to actual neo-nazis and nazis that i'm on your side. but you don't have to do that because we already knew steve bannon was on the side of nazis. >> it's some of the language that he uses, obviously, but there is also this. and i thought this was interesting because i know that you have you mentioned you talked with kkk. we have both talked to white nationalists and one of the very well known white nationalists basically says this is going too far, and it caused a far right french politician to cancel his appearance at cpac. um, what are they playing at? because musk also did this, and there's always this huge response when someone accuses them of using either nazi rhetoric or doing a nazi salute. >> well, i mean, it's just very clear that even when far right people who agree with your ideology don't want to be caught next to you because you're doing too much, that

proves that they were actually doing the thing that people are trying to pretend they weren't doing. it proves that they are actually out there really trying to sort of gaslight us into sort of thinking that they're not doing that, while at the same time signaling to the nazis and the neo-nazis, i'm on your side. i mean, the party in germany, there was just an election. and one of the reasons the afd party did so poorly is because it was a rejection of elon musk. it was like they were the people of germany were like, we're not doing that again. and elon musk had spoken at an afd event. so i think it's very clear. i don't know why we have to argue about this. you know, i don't know. i think they're trying to make us crazy by making us argue about this. if you can't call a nazi a nazi, you can't do the bare minimum of fighting for democracy. >> when other white nationalists are doing it. you have to wonder why. w kamau bell it is always a pleasure to speak to you. now you can go rest there on the west coast. appreciate you. >> exactly. exactly. there's no rest. there's no rest. it's the final sprint to the oscars, friends. hollywood turned out last night for the screen actors guild awards, the last real

awards show before next week's academy awards. and cnn's lisa respers. france is here with much more on all of the big moments. what do you think the big moments were last night? lisa? >> i think one of the biggest moments, kate, was jane fonda, the 86 year old actress not only is an icon, but she also is an activist, and she showed us that side of her last night where she basically called for the resistance in her speech. let's take let's take a listen. >> to. >> have any. >> of you ever. >> watched a. >> documentary of one. >> of the great social movements., like. apartheid or our civil rights movement, or stonewall, and asked. >> yourself. >> would you have been brave enough to walk the bridge? would you have been able to to take the hoses and the batons and the dogs? we don't have to wonder anymore because we are in our documentary moment. this is it.

and it's not a rehearsal. >> you know, she gave a lot of people what they wanted. people have been saying they want to hear people speak up about the chaos that they're seeing right now. kate. and she absolutely brought it last night. it was a powerful speech, and people are still talking about it. >> who are the other big winners of the night? lisa. >> well, you know, one of the surprise winners was timothee chalamet. he won for best actor with his film complete unknown in which he plays bob dylan. a lot of people thought adrien brody was going to take it. and not only did timothee win, but he got up and he gave a speech in which he says he wants to be one of the great ones. and so, you know, it was one of those things where he says people don't say it out loud. but he absolutely wanted to say it. and also conclave won for best film. and it was interesting because prior to that, when they were introducing the movie, isabella rossellini, one of the stars of the film, made it a point to

send best wishes to the pope because he's in the hospital. and of course, the film is about the selection of the pope in conclave. and so people thought that was a really nice moment. kate. so all in all, it was a show that people seem to really enjoy. >> and the sprint now to the oscars. no rest for the weary. lisa, thank you so much. really appreciate it. yes. >> berman says that all the people you saw on the screen, they will all win an oscar. >> there's some tradition, like the s.a.g. winners always win in some categories, not in others. what does this mean? i guarantee you it means something. >> something, something. we'll talk about it later. >> thank you so much for joining us. this is cnn news central. cnn newsroom up next. >> cookbooks, corporate fat cats, swindling socialites, doped up cyclists, and yes, more crooked politicians. i have a feeling we won't be running out of those anytime soon. >> a new season of united states of scandal with jake tapper. march 9th on cnn. >> it's half time. time to go to the bathroom. never slams.

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